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(USA Today)   Nine-year-old girl asks McDonald's CEO why he forces kids to eat at McDonald's. Oh, and her mother is a "nutritional activist"   (usatoday.com ) divider line
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2013-05-23 08:36:23 PM  
I read about this. I hate these kinds of people. Don't like the food? Then don't eat there! Your kids want to go but you don't want them to? Say no, idiot!

This is the mother farking U.S.A.. No one is forcing you stupid adults to eat at McDonalds

The fact that they have cheap and healthy options makes these people look even more foolish. Good for the CEO, standing up for his company.


"McDonalds is the place to rock."
W. Willis
 
2013-05-23 08:40:40 PM  
I don't like McDonald's for my kids, either. That's why it's only a special treat and not a regular thing for them. I'm just not sanctimonious about it, nor do I blame McDonald's for forcing the occasional indulgence upon me.
 
2013-05-23 08:51:55 PM  
Mc D's was around long before the epidemic of obesity in the USA. Look at pictures of the general population from the 60's and 70's and early 80's. You see very few obese people compaired to today.

Somethings have changed in Mc'D higher portions, and sodas with HFCS,  and super large fries. (they used to be cooked in Beef Tallow oil--a small portion make you feel full; now they're 'healthy oil' but you want more to fill full).

Fast Food isn't the problem and complaining about it makes you look silly, a lot of the problems where and are actually caused by well meaning people that substituent so called 'healthy' stuff for oils and butter. That makes you actually want to eat more.

Remember when "Butter" was bad for you and "Transfat Whipped Butter Subsititues" was considered healthy? Yeah, about that.
 
2013-05-23 09:08:16 PM  

optikeye: they used to be cooked in Beef Tallow oil--a small portion make you feel full; now they're 'healthy oil' but you want more to fill full).


I think they also taste like crap compared to the way they used to.
 
2013-05-23 09:11:35 PM  

Red Shirt Blues: optikeye: they used to be cooked in Beef Tallow oil--a small portion make you feel full; now they're 'healthy oil' but you want more to fill full).

I think they also taste like crap compared to the way they used to.


This.
 
2013-05-23 09:46:02 PM  
My kids got McDonald's--occasionally. They turned out OK. Well healthy, anyway. And those are some damn good fries.
 
2013-05-23 09:59:20 PM  
I think my parent's took me there like 10 times as a kid (not counting road trips where it's all you can get on the highway). That was the 80's and 90's.

Shut your suck, lady and stop brainwashing your kid!
 
2013-05-23 10:03:06 PM  
How do these innocent children independently get to McDonald's to buy their egregiously unhealthy food? Just do your job as a parent and tell your precious snowflake, "No McDonald's today, STFU and eat your broccoli."
 
2013-05-23 10:51:20 PM  
There are some people who won't be happy until fast food restaurants have to pay for ads showing obese people talking about all of the medical problems that their overindulgence led to, similar to what tobacco companies have to do now.

It's ridiculous on both counts - it's not a secret that eating fast food constantly isn't healthy.  Personal responsibility has to play the major role here, if you just can't resist that TV commercial showing smiling people eating McDonalds' food, the problem is your own lack of willpower.
 
2013-05-23 11:06:20 PM  
I hate people that insist on forcing their kids to get involved in political issues that the kids are too young to understand.
 
2013-05-23 11:08:01 PM  
That kid is screwed for life.
 
2013-05-23 11:35:03 PM  
Look, McDonald's isn't the problem.  Their salads and their fruit packs don't sell as well as the Big Mac and Quarter Pounder.  Even those new "healthy" wraps they're offering are rocking over 550 calories and 20g of fat on average.

No one wants healthy fast food.  If they did, then your local wheatgrass smoothie chain would be nationwide and making billions.  If McDonald's changed to "Broccoli R Us" they'd be out of business in a year.  That isn't their fault, it's our fault.
 
2013-05-23 11:37:08 PM  
It's true. Don Thompson showed up at my door just the other day. He said he was going to robble the place. I suspected that he was going to try to sell me encyclopedias instead, so I wouldn't let him in. When I assured that he was just going to robble robble, I relented. Instead, for the next five hours, he tied me to a chair and played Ludwig Von Beethoven while shoving hamburgers into my gob. It was like "A Clockwork Orange," but with sesame seeds.

After the fifth hour, he stopped and growled at me. "Where are your kids?!"

When I informed him my wife and I had no children, he howled with rage and kicked over my television. Then he suddenly became placid and docile, untying me and helping me to my feet.

"I'm terribly sorry," he offered. "I only forcefeed children. I had assumed you had kids. Is this [address redacted]?]"

Spitting out a pickle slice, I shook my head. I felt like I was going to throw up. "No. That's... that's three blocks over."

"Damn," he said, lighting up a cigarette. I don't usually allow smoking in my place, but this time I didn't say anything. I was partially afraid he'd get riled up again, and I also kind of felt sorry for him.

"It's these parents. They don't realize they can just tell their little booger-biters, 'no, I'm not taking you to McDonald's.' So I have to find one or two kids in each neighborhood and fatten them up a bit."

Between between deep breaths, I uttered, "Uh... and this gets the other parents to say 'no?'"

He laughed. His spirits were suddenly up. "Quite the contrary, my now-rotund friend. It gets them to say yes. Their kids don't want to be the only ones on the block without a tummy full of my fatty foods. Profits are up. But do you know something? I don't do it for the profit. I don't do it because I hate kids. I do it for world peace."

Even though I was getting nauseous enough to ruin his hush-puppies with recycled McFood, I mustered the energy to look inquisitive.

"Oh, everyone always gives me that look," he laughed. "Think about it. Eventually you and I know there's going to be another draft. How can there not be? The military is already spread all over hell-and-back. But who's going to draft a nation full of fatties?"

Suddenly I noticed his eye was doing that twitchy thing, and his grin was a bit too toothy. As I felt myself about to heave, a pain shot through my left shoulder. I looked in horror to see a hypodermic needle.

As I drifted off to slumber, Don said, "I'm sorry again for the mix-up. I've got a crack team of surgeons coming over here to get all of that out of you. You'll be back to your old self in no time."

I awoke with a barely-visible surgery scar in my abdomen. In my wallet, I found a card good for "a lifetime of free McDonald's." I'm not in a hurry to use it.

So yes, Hannah. There is a Don Thompson. And as much as you might think he's a big meanie right now, you have to realize he cares about you and all of your little friends. He'd rather not see you sent to North Korea or Iran. He just wants you to enjoy a Happy Meal or seven and live a good American life.
 
2013-05-23 11:50:25 PM  
What an extremely well-coached snowflake angel!
 
2013-05-24 12:24:43 AM  
forces?
 
2013-05-24 12:37:17 AM  
Am I the only one that is stupid and nieve enough to think that this was totally real and not staged in the least by some douchebag of a mother?
 
2013-05-24 02:03:29 AM  
I have nothing against McDonalds at all in terms if the healthfulness or lack thereof of their poducts. But around 10 years ago I just stopped liking anything sold there (except the Coke.) I think it's just my personal preferences, but McDonalds just doesn't taste good to me anymore.

/had a Big Mac tonight
//it was pretty gross
 
2013-05-24 02:04:10 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: There are some people who won't be happy until fast food restaurants have to pay for ads showing obese people talking about all of the medical problems that their overindulgence led to, similar to what tobacco companies have to do now.


Good. I'd also like to see fast food hit with astronomical taxes, like cigarettes have been.
 
2013-05-24 02:26:47 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: TuteTibiImperes: There are some people who won't be happy until fast food restaurants have to pay for ads showing obese people talking about all of the medical problems that their overindulgence led to, similar to what tobacco companies have to do now.

Good. I'd also like to see fast food hit with astronomical taxes, like cigarettes have been.


The problem there is while it's easy to identify tobacco, "fast food" is a much more nebulous concept.
 
2013-05-24 02:27:30 AM  

ShawnDoc: I hate people that insist on forcing their kids to get involved in political issues that the kids are too young to understand.


feckingmorons: That kid is screwed for life.


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Agrees
 
2013-05-24 02:37:59 AM  

Red Shirt Blues: Agrees


I have no idea what that is in reference too.  My first thought is Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, but I'm guessing this is a real story with a much sadder outcome.
 
2013-05-24 04:47:26 AM  

Red Shirt Blues: ShawnDoc: I hate people that insist on forcing their kids to get involved in political issues that the kids are too young to understand.

feckingmorons: That kid is screwed for life.

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Agrees


That times three. I feel sorry for that kid.
 
2013-05-24 05:37:24 AM  
4.bp.blogspot.com

You mean coitus?
 
2013-05-24 05:37:26 AM  
Whatever Mom has been feeding this kid can't be much healthier than McD's:

www.gannett-cdn.com
 
2013-05-24 05:40:36 AM  
With all due respect to this lady and her daughter, why was a child allowed into the annual shareholders meeting?
 
2013-05-24 05:43:34 AM  
Her mother put her up to this... obvious. Just another activist getting their kids to do their dirty work.
 
2013-05-24 05:51:06 AM  
Lol, poor little kid being used as a TOOL by her own mother! She's lucky she wasn't born in a poor country, otherwise her mother might have sold her to prostitution or slave trade.
 
2013-05-24 05:52:09 AM  
GreenAdder

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2013-05-24 05:52:53 AM  
The important question here is why does the USA today think this is worth reporting?
 
2013-05-24 05:52:56 AM  

hardinparamedic: Am I the only one that is stupid and nieve enough to think that this was totally real and not staged in the least by some douchebag of a mother?


The question is am I stupid enough to believe what you just said is a real question?
: D
 
2013-05-24 05:53:02 AM  
Way to use her kid to shill for her book. Mother of the year? Opportunistishsheissenfrau
 
2013-05-24 05:54:13 AM  

Lsherm: No one wants healthy fast food.  If they did, then your local wheatgrass smoothie chain would be nationwide and making billions.  If McDonald's changed to "Broccoli R Us" they'd be out of business in a year.  That isn't their fault, it's our fault.


Sort of.  I was actually shocked at the number of fast food chains serving "healthy" food on the west coast while I was visiting.  I've lived on the east coast my whole life and it is entirely different over here.  Even the same restaurants serve different menus.

I guess it really is just a cultural thing.
 
2013-05-24 05:55:38 AM  
A couple weeks ago, one of my coworkers was biatching about how his toddler acts when he sees the golden arches. He starts calling out for french fries and screeches for at least 20 minutes if his parents don't stop. They've learned to distract him before they get anywhere near Mickey D's and hate the chain now.
 
2013-05-24 05:58:08 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: Whatever Mom has been feeding this kid can't be much healthier than McD's:

[www.gannett-cdn.com image 534x401]


The actual food, or the poison she feeds her kid's head?
 
2013-05-24 05:59:08 AM  
The fark fatty brigade to the rescue, replete with an anecdotal arsenal of tales that ignore most of reality. Kids often choose where to eat and market research is well aware of this fact, otherwise they wouldn't bother directing advertising at kids.

Regardless of how much this girl was coached, she is correct. McDonalds heavily focuses their advertising efforts on children knowing full well that kids will beg their parents to go. And knowing that kids know little about nutrition or the addictive qualities of fatty foods, they're confident kids will roundly ignore the fact the food has little nutritional value.
 
2013-05-24 06:01:51 AM  

MayoSlather: Kids often choose where to eat and market research is well aware of this fact


The kids of shiatty parents anyway.
 
2013-05-24 06:03:51 AM  
"Don Thompson, why do you make Ronald McDonald sexy enough that my mom wants to give him a hummer? Don't you care about my mom?"

www.mylifescoop.net
 
2013-05-24 06:06:04 AM  
Hmmm...I've never seen anyone ever at McDonalds because the company forced them into their building.  I'm not sure "forces" is the right word.

Yesterday I was on break with a 17 year old male coworker who was telling me how I could have gotten a healthier lunch option than Jack in the Box.  I told him "Look, I'm only going to be on this Earth for one lifetime.  So I have maybe a century to enjoy all I can from it.  Now, which option sounds better, bland healthy meals with water diet and exercise and a 100 year life span, or Jack in the Box and a soda for the occasional meal, cigars, booze, exercise that is not much more than sleeping around and running away from the angry husbands of the cheating wives you bedded and a life span of much less than 100 years."  He said, "But you'll live longer not living life as a hedonistic ass."  I said "True, but I'm enjoying my life, my wife doesn't know when I get off from work and don't you have an older sister?"
 
2013-05-24 06:06:51 AM  
When I was 10 I decided to not eat at McDonalds because it was unhealthy, and I didn't even need my parents to tell me it was.
 
2013-05-24 06:08:31 AM  
On break from forcing kids into the restaurant...

therealtimereport.com
 
2013-05-24 06:10:32 AM  

Great Janitor: Hmmm...I've never seen anyone ever at McDonalds because the company forced them into their building.  I'm not sure "forces" is the right word.

Yesterday I was on break with a 17 year old male coworker who was telling me how I could have gotten a healthier lunch option than Jack in the Box.  I told him "Look, I'm only going to be on this Earth for one lifetime.  So I have maybe a century to enjoy all I can from it.  Now, which option sounds better, bland healthy meals with water diet and exercise and a 100 year life span, or Jack in the Box and a soda for the occasional meal, cigars, booze, exercise that is not much more than sleeping around and running away from the angry husbands of the cheating wives you bedded and a life span of much less than 100 years."  He said, "But you'll live longer not living life as a hedonistic ass."  I said "True, but I'm enjoying my life, my wife doesn't know when I get off from work and don't you have an older sister?"


Whatever fatass. In my opinion, we should round up all the hover round riding fatsos and convert them into a nutritional food like substance to distribute to third world countries.
 
2013-05-24 06:14:32 AM  

MayoSlather: The fark fatty brigade to the rescue, replete with an anecdotal arsenal of tales that ignore most of reality. Kids often choose where to eat and market research is well aware of this fact, otherwise they wouldn't bother directing advertising at kids.

Regardless of how much this girl was coached, she is correct. McDonalds heavily focuses their advertising efforts on children knowing full well that kids will beg their parents to go. And knowing that kids know little about nutrition or the addictive qualities of fatty foods, they're confident kids will roundly ignore the fact the food has little nutritional value.


When I was a kid (I'm 34), my parents told my sister and I to get to the car, we were going out to dinner.  I suggested we go somewhere and my dad stopped me and said "I'm your mother and I are the parents, we decide were we go out to eat.  You only get to decide on your birthday and when the day comes that you get a job and can pay for it."

So, either parents today have lost their entire backbone and lets their kids run the household, or, you're completely wrong.

Now, I'm not going to ignore that McDonald's does do a lot of advertising towards children, but that's business.  They serve a niche which is a place were you can take your kids to eat, have a playground for them to play on while their food is being prepped, and if your kid is playing on the playground for an hour after you're done eating, then you as the parent just might buy a pie or an extra order of fries, it's a form of keeping you in the restaurant to boost sales.  Nothing that they are doing forces anyone into their restaurants.  If the parents are caving into their kid's demands, then those are bad parents.
 
2013-05-24 06:16:44 AM  
You want nutritious food, so you....go to a McDonalds shareholder meeting? Why didn't you just go to the grocery store? There's plenty of places she could find like-minded people. A shareholder's meeting for McDonalds is one of the last places I'd think to go. Don't like McDonalds? Don't go. I certainly don't, but others are free to choose to. That's what's great about having different options.
 
2013-05-24 06:16:52 AM  

Great Janitor: my dad stopped me and said "I'm your mother


You must have had a confusing childhood.
 
2013-05-24 06:19:19 AM  

Richard C Stanford: Great Janitor: Hmmm...I've never seen anyone ever at McDonalds because the company forced them into their building.  I'm not sure "forces" is the right word.

Yesterday I was on break with a 17 year old male coworker who was telling me how I could have gotten a healthier lunch option than Jack in the Box.  I told him "Look, I'm only going to be on this Earth for one lifetime.  So I have maybe a century to enjoy all I can from it.  Now, which option sounds better, bland healthy meals with water diet and exercise and a 100 year life span, or Jack in the Box and a soda for the occasional meal, cigars, booze, exercise that is not much more than sleeping around and running away from the angry husbands of the cheating wives you bedded and a life span of much less than 100 years."  He said, "But you'll live longer not living life as a hedonistic ass."  I said "True, but I'm enjoying my life, my wife doesn't know when I get off from work and don't you have an older sister?"

Whatever fatass. In my opinion, we should round up all the hover round riding fatsos and convert them into a nutritional food like substance to distribute to third world countries.


Wow, mass murder and cannibalism, for those guilty of the crime of being fat.  Please, just stop talking, there really isn't any way I can respect you any less.
 
2013-05-24 06:21:06 AM  

Jensaarai: Great Janitor: my dad stopped me and said "I'm your mother

You must have had a confusing childhood.


My father telling me he's my mother, my mom telling me she's my father.  Uncle Bill who really wasn't an uncle.  I just found out that what my parents told me was orange was actually purple.

/or it was just a silly typo
 
2013-05-24 06:21:18 AM  

skinink: "Don Thompson, why do you make Ronald McDonald sexy enough that my mom wants to give him a hummer? Don't you care about my mom?"

[www.mylifescoop.net image 375x500]

 
2013-05-24 06:22:16 AM  

skinink: "Don Thompson, why do you make Ronald McDonald sexy enough that my mom wants to give him a hummer? Don't you care about my mom?"

[www.mylifescoop.net image 375x500]


s2.postimg.org
 
2013-05-24 06:22:32 AM  
Choices...how do they farking work?
 
2013-05-24 06:24:03 AM  

Richard C Stanford: Great Janitor: Hmmm...I've never seen anyone ever at McDonalds because the company forced them into their building.  I'm not sure "forces" is the right word.

Yesterday I was on break with a 17 year old male coworker who was telling me how I could have gotten a healthier lunch option than Jack in the Box.  I told him "Look, I'm only going to be on this Earth for one lifetime.  So I have maybe a century to enjoy all I can from it.  Now, which option sounds better, bland healthy meals with water diet and exercise and a 100 year life span, or Jack in the Box and a soda for the occasional meal, cigars, booze, exercise that is not much more than sleeping around and running away from the angry husbands of the cheating wives you bedded and a life span of much less than 100 years."  He said, "But you'll live longer not living life as a hedonistic ass."  I said "True, but I'm enjoying my life, my wife doesn't know when I get off from work and don't you have an older sister?"

Whatever fatass. In my opinion, we should round up all the hover round riding fatsos and convert them into a nutritional food like substance to distribute to third world countries.



pbs.twimg.com
 
2013-05-24 06:25:27 AM  

Great Janitor: Whatever fatass. In my opinion, we should round up all the hover round riding fatsos and convert them into a nutritional food like substance to distribute to third world countries.

Wow, mass murder and cannibalism, for those guilty of the crime of being fat. Please, just stop talking, there really isn't any way I can respect you any less.


And I was just going to suggest as an alternative, a nice healthy chicken sandwich from Chick-Fil-A.
 
2013-05-24 06:25:59 AM  
When I've visited the US, the ludicrous portion sizes in random cafes and restaurants makes the standardised sizing of McDonalds look positively health-conscious. At least you know what you're eating.

I've had many regular main meals in Texas and Las Vegas that would have easily been 2500 calories on the plate in a single course, and half a salt-mine.
 
2013-05-24 06:28:31 AM  

Pugdaddyk: Choices...how do they farking work?


You must not have gotten the memo. Choice is only for abortion. Not for things like what you can eat, schools you can send your kid to or gun ownership.
 
2013-05-24 06:30:33 AM  

Great Janitor:

So, either parents today have lost their entire backbone and lets their kids run the household, or, you're completely wrong.


So based purely on your anecdote, the only possible conclusion must be this binary choice. Sounds reasonable...did I say reasonable? Or false dichotomy?

Lots of parents make poor decisions for their kids and/or just to shut them up, that's the point. The kids often end up picking where they go, and kids will pick places that cater to them i.e. fast food.
 
2013-05-24 06:37:23 AM  

justoneznot: You want nutritious food, so you....go to a McDonalds shareholder meeting? Why didn't you just go to the grocery store? There's plenty of places she could find like-minded people. A shareholder's meeting for McDonalds is one of the last places I'd think to go. Don't like McDonalds? Don't go. I certainly don't, but others are free to choose to. That's what's great about having different options.


She was standing up for all the children out there that are fooled by slick advertising into wanting McDonald's.

It would be cowardly to just ignore the problem and do nothing. She wants to protect others, the way her mom protects her!
 
2013-05-24 06:38:58 AM  
Fark can be so schizophrenic, I swear.

One day it's mocking lard-butts, the next it's championing personal choice.
 
2013-05-24 06:45:03 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: With all due respect to this lady and her daughter, why was a child allowed into the annual shareholders meeting?


They own McDonalds stock.
 
2013-05-24 06:45:39 AM  

mike_d85: AverageAmericanGuy: With all due respect to this lady and her daughter, why was a child allowed into the annual shareholders meeting?

They own McDonalds stock.


Can a child own stock?
 
2013-05-24 06:45:58 AM  
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2013-05-24 06:46:53 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Can a child own stock?


Yes.
 
2013-05-24 06:47:04 AM  
It sort of scares me how complacent people are in regards to blatant manipulation by advertisers.
 
2013-05-24 06:49:03 AM  

sendtodave: Fark can be so schizophrenic, I swear.

One day it's mocking lard-butts, the next it's championing personal choice.


You can eat at McDonald's without becoming a lard-butt, you know (I still think it's a dumb personal choice).

And you are clueless about the meaning of schizophrenic.
 
2013-05-24 06:49:08 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: mike_d85: AverageAmericanGuy: With all due respect to this lady and her daughter, why was a child allowed into the annual shareholders meeting?

They own McDonalds stock.

Can a child own stock?


Yes, but her mother would hold the shareholder's voting rights. She would likely be allowed to have her daughter speak though.
 
2013-05-24 06:51:53 AM  
Reading fark comments on the subject of food is like reading a tea party website's comments on social justice.
 
2013-05-24 06:52:05 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: mike_d85: AverageAmericanGuy: With all due respect to this lady and her daughter, why was a child allowed into the annual shareholders meeting?

They own McDonalds stock.

Can a child own stock?


I can't imagine why not.  People used to give kids Savings Bonds back in he day.  It should be the same principle
 
2013-05-24 06:56:20 AM  

PapaChester: I read about this. I hate these kinds of people. Don't like the food? Then don't eat there! Your kids want to go but you don't want them to? Say no, idiot!

This is the mother farking U.S.A.. No one is forcing you stupid adults to eat at McDonalds

The fact that they have cheap and healthy options makes these people look even more foolish. Good for the CEO, standing up for his company.


"McDonalds is the place to rock."
W. Willis


Yeah, so much THIS.  If you don't like it, fine, don't eat there. But some people do like eating there, and who the hell are you to try and interfere in what others choose to eat?
 
2013-05-24 07:01:23 AM  

wyltoknow: It sort of scares me how complacent people are in regards to blatant manipulation by advertisers.


Probably has something to do with the fact that apparently even 9-year-olds aren't particularly susceptible to it.  Being upset about it would be like being worried about a guy on a mountaintop ten miles away trying to smack you with a three-foot padded bat.  Sure, maybe his intent is a bit annoying, but it's not like it's even going to work.

//Think about it.  During your childhood, did you ever buy something based on the advertising that wasn't already money you were going to sped frivolously (e.g. toys)?  Food ads don't do a goddamned thing to children, because they don't farkin' care.
 
2013-05-24 07:03:28 AM  
Lsherm: ...No one wants healthy fast food....


Umm....I do. McDonalds doesn't get more than maybe $5 a year of my money, because their healthy food is monstrously overpriced.

Probably has something to do with how the farm bill doesn't really help fruit-and-vegetable farmers.
 
2013-05-24 07:07:48 AM  

optikeye: Mc D's was around long before the epidemic of obesity in the USA. Look at pictures of the general population from the 60's and 70's and early 80's. You see very few obese people compaired to today.



Well, thats because Americans had the good sense to hide their obese from the eyes of the general public, in the basement, next to crazy Aunt Beulah.
 
2013-05-24 07:08:28 AM  
My only beef with the food industry is how school lunches are so often just junk food. French fries and cookies should not be profit makers for schools.

McDs...a fine company overall. I eat there occasionally and they do have options that are reasonably low cal (not healthy of course).

My body my choice!

/ not a fatty just don't like being told what to do
 
2013-05-24 07:08:42 AM  
Well go ahead and eat there. They serve healthy food.


static2.businessinsider.com
 
2013-05-24 07:09:17 AM  
But seriously, he handled the staged hitjob from the little cute nine  year old wonderfully.  Article should have been entilted "We were tipped off that the McDonalds CEO would look foolish, but dude schools girl"
 
2013-05-24 07:11:01 AM  

Great Janitor: Richard C Stanford: Great Janitor: Hmmm...I've never seen anyone ever at McDonalds because the company forced them into their building.  I'm not sure "forces" is the right word.

Yesterday I was on break with a 17 year old male coworker who was telling me how I could have gotten a healthier lunch option than Jack in the Box.  I told him "Look, I'm only going to be on this Earth for one lifetime.  So I have maybe a century to enjoy all I can from it.  Now, which option sounds better, bland healthy meals with water diet and exercise and a 100 year life span, or Jack in the Box and a soda for the occasional meal, cigars, booze, exercise that is not much more than sleeping around and running away from the angry husbands of the cheating wives you bedded and a life span of much less than 100 years."  He said, "But you'll live longer not living life as a hedonistic ass."  I said "True, but I'm enjoying my life, my wife doesn't know when I get off from work and don't you have an older sister?"

Whatever fatass. In my opinion, we should round up all the hover round riding fatsos and convert them into a nutritional food like substance to distribute to third world countries.

Wow, mass murder and cannibalism, for those guilty of the crime of being fat.  Please, just stop talking, there really isn't any way I can respect you any less.


Don't be so negative. It was just a modest proposal.
 
2013-05-24 07:11:31 AM  

GreenAdder: It's true. Don Thompson showed up at my door just the other day. He said he was going to robble the place. I suspected that he was going to try to sell me encyclopedias instead, so I wouldn't let him in. When I assured that he was just going to robble robble, I relented. Instead, for the next five hours, he tied me to a chair and played Ludwig Von Beethoven while shoving hamburgers into my gob. It was like "A Clockwork Orange," but with sesame seeds.

After the fifth hour, he stopped and growled at me. "Where are your kids?!"

When I informed him my wife and I had no children, he howled with rage and kicked over my television. Then he suddenly became placid and docile, untying me and helping me to my feet.

"I'm terribly sorry," he offered. "I only forcefeed children. I had assumed you had kids. Is this [address redacted]?]"

Spitting out a pickle slice, I shook my head. I felt like I was going to throw up. "No. That's... that's three blocks over."

"Damn," he said, lighting up a cigarette. I don't usually allow smoking in my place, but this time I didn't say anything. I was partially afraid he'd get riled up again, and I also kind of felt sorry for him.

"It's these parents. They don't realize they can just tell their little booger-biters, 'no, I'm not taking you to McDonald's.' So I have to find one or two kids in each neighborhood and fatten them up a bit."

Between between deep breaths, I uttered, "Uh... and this gets the other parents to say 'no?'"

He laughed. His spirits were suddenly up. "Quite the contrary, my now-rotund friend. It gets them to say yes. Their kids don't want to be the only ones on the block without a tummy full of my fatty foods. Profits are up. But do you know something? I don't do it for the profit. I don't do it because I hate kids. I do it for world peace."

Even though I was getting nauseous enough to ruin his hush-puppies with recycled McFood, I mustered the energy to look inquisitive.

"Oh, everyone always gives me that look," he lau ...


Thank you.
 
2013-05-24 07:17:19 AM  

Bungles: When I've visited the US, the ludicrous portion sizes in random cafes and restaurants makes the standardised sizing of McDonalds look positively health-conscious. At least you know what you're eating.

I've had many regular main meals in Texas and Las Vegas that would have easily been 2500 calories on the plate in a single course, and half a salt-mine.


This. We've got portion issues. Hell, I went to France and ate out every meal for a week+. Croissant for breakfast, lots of wine, etc. and I actually lost a little bit of weight.

/less fast than that sounded
 
2013-05-24 07:20:21 AM  
Yes this is dog:

[Well that escalated quickly.jpg]

rlv.zcache.com
 
2013-05-24 07:21:07 AM  

ChubbyTiger: Bungles: When I've visited the US, the ludicrous portion sizes in random cafes and restaurants makes the standardised sizing of McDonalds look positively health-conscious. At least you know what you're eating.

I've had many regular main meals in Texas and Las Vegas that would have easily been 2500 calories on the plate in a single course, and half a salt-mine.

This. We've got portion issues. Hell, I went to France and ate out every meal for a week+. Croissant for breakfast, lots of wine, etc. and I actually lost a little bit of weight.

/less fast than that sounded


Don't worry, you don't sound very fast.
 
2013-05-24 07:21:48 AM  
Americans, let's face it: We've been a spoiled country for a long time. 
Do you know what the number one health risk in America is? 
Obesity. They say we're in the middle of an obesity epidemic.
An epidemic like it is polio. Like we'll be telling our grand kids about it one day.
The Great Obesity Epidemic of 2004.
"How'd you get through it grandpa?"
"Oh, it was horrible Johnny, there was cheesecake and pork chops everywhere."
Nobody knows why were getting fatter? Look at our lifestyle.
I'll sit at a drive thru. 
I'll sit there behind fifteen other cars instead of getting up to make the eight foot walk to the totally empty counter.
Everything is mega meal, super sized. Want biggie fries, super sized, want to go large. 
You want to have thirty burgers for a nickel you fat mother farker. There's room in the back. Take it!
Want a 55 gallon drum of Coke with that? It's only three more cents.

Sometimes you have to suffer a little bit in your youth to motivate yourself to succeed in later life.
Do you think if Bill Gates got laid in high school, do you think there'd be a Microsoft?
Of course not.
You got to spend a long time in your own locker with your underwear shoved up your ass before you start to think,
"You'll see. I'm going to take of the world of computers! I'll show them."
We're in one of the richest countries in the world,
but the minimum wage is lower than it was thirty five years ago.
There are homeless people everywhere.
This homeless guy asked me for money the other day.
I was about to give it to him and then I thought he was going to use it on drugs or alcohol.
And then I thought, that's what I'm going to use it on.
Why am I judging this poor bastard.
People love to judge homeless guys. Like if you give them money they're just going to waste it.
Well, he lives in a box, what do you want him to do? Save it up and buy a wall unit?
Take a little run to the store for a throw rug and a CD rack? He's homeless.
I walked behind this guy the other day. 
A homeless guy asked him for money.
He looks right at the homeless guy and says why don't you go get a job you bum.
People always say that to homeless guys like it is so easy.
This homeless guy was wearing his underwear outside his pants.
Outside his pants. I'm guessing his resume isn't all up to date.
I'm predicting some problems during the interview process.
I'm pretty sure even McDonalds has a "underwear goes inside the pants" policy.
Not that they enforce it really strictly, but technically I'm sure it is on the books.
 
2013-05-24 07:26:12 AM  
Stopped at McD's this morning for a Dollar Menu Sausage Biscuit and Caramel Frappe, so I'm getting a kick out of this... There is nothing wrong with McDonald's food.. If it were THAT bad do you think they'd still be in business?
 
2013-05-24 07:26:46 AM  

KeatingFive: Lsherm: ...No one wants healthy fast food....


Umm....I do. McDonalds doesn't get more than maybe $5 a year of my money, because their healthy food is monstrously overpriced.

Probably has something to do with how the farm bill doesn't really help fruit-and-vegetable farmers.


You are the rarity though. Most people say they want healthy options but so far they instead choose the fatty shiat.

IMO the content of processed foods are more worrisome than the portions or fat percentage.

Thank god the Republicans made pizza a vegetable. Now everyone is eating better!
 
2013-05-24 07:29:53 AM  
The McDonald's CEO did nazi that little food activist coming!
 
2013-05-24 07:32:20 AM  
Aw, isn't that cute...NOT.


1.bp.blogspot.comStupidity is not genetic, but it passes from parent to child. 

Keep up this kind of irresponsible finger pointing, and you have a very successful career as a lawyer ahead of you, kid.
 
2013-05-24 07:32:20 AM  
Just like how cigarette companies aren't responsible for explicitly marketing to children.

Just like how clothing companies arent responsible for making every woman bigger than a size two feel like a fat pig.
 
2013-05-24 07:34:19 AM  
"Hannah Robertson - whose mother, Kia, is a kid's nutritional activist and creator of an interactive children's game on nutrition calledToday I Ate a Rainbow"

So that's how they get rainbows to come out of their butts.
 
2013-05-24 07:35:24 AM  
I think McDonald's gets a bad rap.  A lot of them don't even have play places for kids anymore.  The company that targets children the most is Chick Fila.  They all have a play area, they give free food to kids on Tuesdays, and some of them even pay entertainers to perform magic, make balloon animals, and/or do face painting.  Little Jimmy doesn't want the cow comic book that comes with his kid's meal, he can trade it in for an icecream cone.
 
2013-05-24 07:40:08 AM  
Read about this while getting food at a McDonald's, so I'm getting a kick out of this. Seriously, GreenAdder and Great Janitor, you guys are my new favorite farkers. Perfect way to start the day.

//Sooooo many lols
//new keyboard, you owe me.
 
2013-05-24 07:40:10 AM  

Ilmarinen: sendtodave: Fark can be so schizophrenic, I swear.

One day it's mocking lard-butts, the next it's championing personal choice.

You can eat at McDonald's without becoming a lard-butt, you know (I still think it's a dumb personal choice).

And you are clueless about the meaning of schizophrenic.


schiz·o·phren·ic
adj.
1.Of, relating to, or affected with schizophrenia.
2.Of, relating to, or characterized by the coexistence of disparate or antagonistic elements
 
2013-05-24 07:42:19 AM  
I really want Nuggz now, but alas I made a solemn vow to abstain while my lady love is away. The love has died, and my bed is warmed by another, but I've kept my vow, and she swears she's kept hers.

Once or twice a year, we meet and enjoy those precious nuggets, dipped in ranch and sauce more sweet than sour, and then we part.

I regret that damn vow every time I go to McD's, but where would my honor be if I broke it?
 
2013-05-24 07:42:45 AM  

foo monkey: Just like how cigarette companies aren't responsible for explicitly marketing to children.

Just like how clothing companies arent responsible for making every woman bigger than a size two feel like a fat pig.


Why would clothing companies want women to feel fat?

Less cloth to sell.
 
2013-05-24 07:42:48 AM  

hardinparamedic: Am I the only one that is stupid and nieve enough to think that this was totally real and not staged in the least by some douchebag of a mother?


Yes.  Yes, you are.
 
mhd
2013-05-24 07:45:10 AM  
I present: The "Today I Ate a Rainbow" song.

/Cute kid, but it's no Menu Song
 
2013-05-24 07:51:45 AM  
The CEO thanked Hannah for her comments, ending with this compliment, "I think it's great that you want to eat more fruits and veggies."

www.gannett-cdn.com

Then he called her a racist, food bigot.
 
2013-05-24 07:53:36 AM  
Didn't anyone at Corporate sound this out before naming it the "McWrap?" Depending on where you accent the word, it's either a description of the type of sandwich....or how it tastes.

gaia.adage.com
 
2013-05-24 07:54:31 AM  
They put a new mcds locally, they built the road so it would go right through the drive thru lane. No choice about it, can't even drive past. They MAKE you pull out your plastic and pay for the food they made you order. Crazy.
 
2013-05-24 07:54:50 AM  
Well, personal responsibility is important of course, but it's very true that the food industry crowds out healthy options. It's easy to say, "don't eat at McDonald's" but really any fast-food place is equally bad. What's that? Cook at home. Much of the food at the supermarket is also unhealthy and twisted by marketing. Also, many people either have no time or simple don't want to cook. Being able to choose to eat out is also part of "freedom," as is the choice to eat unhealthfully, as I see people have pointed out. And the so-called healthy choices that McDonald's does provide, while better, are also far from healthy. Indeed they exist mostly so people can feel better about themselves while ordering something else (something more fattening). Don't think you need to stand up for the food industry. The truth is they have made all the choices for you, while making it seem that they've given you that power. Real choice, real freedom, will only come if more people like this little girl put the industry's feet to the fire. Is she doing this because of her mom? Absolutely. But do not any of us instill values in our kids, deciding what their beliefs will be until they're old enough to start questioning the world independently. What I'm seeing in comments both on the article page is that people will go to great lengths to stand up to an industry that gives not one shiat about them. This is testament to the fine work being done by the teams of psychologists that the hood industry employs. Did anoint read the NYT expose about Lay's? The former CEO says, "I feel so sorry for the public." referencing the work he had done in creating a more addictive potato chip. The food industry is third in line after big tobacco and big pharma in terms if evil done, make no mistake. In 20 years we'll be looking at McDonald's the same way we look at Philip Morris today. But I still eat at McDonald's, perhaps once a month. That's a choice I make.
 
2013-05-24 07:58:36 AM  

PapaChester: I read about this. I hate these kinds of people. Don't like the food? Then don't eat there! Your kids want to go but you don't want them to? Say no, idiot!

This is the mother farking U.S.A.. No one is forcing you stupid adults to eat at McDonalds

The fact that they have cheap and healthy options makes these people look even more foolish. Good for the CEO, standing up for his company.


"McDonalds is the place to rock."
W. Willis


Please bear in mind the advertising budget for McDonalds.  People forget that advertising isn't an informative product, it's a persuasive product and so while you might not be swayed by the advertising, millions of others are drawn in like moths to the flame.
 
2013-05-24 08:00:50 AM  
For some reason this makes me feel extremely awkward and embarrassed for this girl. Like, more than normal.
 
2013-05-24 08:01:47 AM  
How dreary it must be to exist in a perpetual state of victim-hood.
 
2013-05-24 08:03:12 AM  

maliklockett: AverageAmericanGuy: mike_d85: AverageAmericanGuy: With all due respect to this lady and her daughter, why was a child allowed into the annual shareholders meeting?

They own McDonalds stock.

Can a child own stock?

I can't imagine why not.  People used to give kids Savings Bonds back in he day.  It should be the same principle


Sure. My aunt bought me some stock in the bank where she worked when I was nine. I used to follow it and look it up in the financial pages in the newspaper every morning. It was non-voting stock, of course.
 
2013-05-24 08:07:33 AM  
I give alot of credit to the CEO for his gracious answer. I guess answering stupid grandstanding questions are part of the job requirement.
 
2013-05-24 08:07:49 AM  
With her good nutrition, we can all look forward to many decades of her being a disrespectful little biatch.
 
2013-05-24 08:10:04 AM  
I don't get it it. So many people are living their lives the wrong way. Things would be so much better if they'd just start living their lives correctly, like me.
 
2013-05-24 08:11:08 AM  

mike_d85: AverageAmericanGuy: With all due respect to this lady and her daughter, why was a child allowed into the annual shareholders meeting?

They own McDonalds stock.


I'm shocked that this woman and her child own part of this evil organization. They, by virtue of their partial ownership, are purveyors of misery and death.
 
2013-05-24 08:12:38 AM  
I guess I must be watching the wrong television shows.  I can not remember the last time I saw a McDonalds' commercial aimed at kids and I have no idea what the latest Happy Meal toy is.  Most of the commercials I see star attractive and successful African-Americans.  Maybe fewer people care about that group's health that the children's?
 
2013-05-24 08:16:58 AM  
Yea, right. Because small children are perfectly aware of the complexity of nutritional choices available to them and McDonald's doesn't at all craft their advertising to attract them.

vladimpaler: I guess I must be watching the wrong television shows.  I can not remember the last time I saw a McDonalds' commercial aimed at kids and I have no idea what the latest Happy Meal toy is.  Most of the commercials I see star attractive and successful African-Americans.  Maybe fewer people care about that group's health that the children's?


I'll bet it's pure coincidence that you're also not a kid anymore.....
 
2013-05-24 08:18:58 AM  

clovercat: Well go ahead and eat there. They serve healthy food.


[static2.businessinsider.com image 400x300]


Kids growing up in the 70s like us ate there all the time. We were much, much more healthy than current kids. I wonder why?

Oh, we actually played outside?

Quit blaming food, bunch of wussy little foodies.
 
2013-05-24 08:20:11 AM  

sendtodave: Fark can be so schizophrenic, I swear.

One day it's mocking lard-butts, the next it's championing personal choice.


It's almost as if it's composed of a large number of different individuals, each with their own separate ideas on different issues, and who post at different times in different threads, and not a Borg-like hivemind after all... Weird!
 
2013-05-24 08:22:25 AM  
Why does he force kids to eat McDonald's? Because he's the one with the gun, dumbass. You have to do what the guy with the gun says. Obviously.
 
2013-05-24 08:22:42 AM  

PapaChester: I read about this. I hate these kinds of people. Don't like the food? Then don't eat there! Your kids want to go but you don't want them to? Say no, idiot!

This is the mother farking U.S.A.. No one is forcing you stupid adults to eat at McDonalds

The fact that they have cheap and healthy options makes these people look even more foolish. Good for the CEO, standing up for his company.


"McDonalds is the place to rock."
W. Willis


Knocked it out of the park in one comment. No one is "forced" to eat anywhere in the USA. If this little girl's mother thinks kids are being led into McD's by gunpoint, she's a farking idiot and she needs to stop spreading her ignorance to her daughter. I can count on a clumsy machine shop worker's left hand the number of times my siblings and I were allowed to eat McDonalds while we were growing up. Why? Because my mom thought their food was unhealthy, and more over, not worth the money. Easy as that. Turns out kids DON'T rule the world. Maybe she should be campaigning against weak farking parents.
 
2013-05-24 08:22:44 AM  

RobSeace: sendtodave: Fark can be so schizophrenic, I swear.

One day it's mocking lard-butts, the next it's championing personal choice.

It's almost as if it's composed of a large number of different individuals, each with their own separate ideas on different issues, and who post at different times in different threads, and not a Borg-like hivemind after all... Weird!


Oh, no, it's definitely a hivemind.  Just a petty, mercurial one.
 
2013-05-24 08:25:59 AM  
www.washingtonpost.com
Not that I'm blaming McDonald's for this.  They're just giving you fatties what you want.  It's smart business.
 
2013-05-24 08:28:44 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: With all due respect to this lady and her daughter, why was a child allowed into the annual shareholders meeting?


That's what I was wondering. I admit that I don't know much about shareholders meetings, but don't you have to be a shareholder to attend? Does this meant that this "nutritional activist" is a McDonald's shareholder?
 
2013-05-24 08:35:44 AM  

Rapmaster2000: [www.washingtonpost.com image 600x530]
Not that I'm blaming McDonald's for this.  They're just giving you fatties what you want.  It's smart business.


That's a cute graphic, but 42 oz drinks and 12oz hamburgers are not all that common.
 
2013-05-24 08:35:45 AM  

sendtodave: Oh, no, it's definitely a hivemind. Just a petty, mercurial one.


Yet, here you are... Welcome to the hive, fellow drone!
 
2013-05-24 08:37:10 AM  

ShawnDoc: I hate people that insist on forcing their kids to get involved in political issues that the kids are too young to understand.


blog.nj.com
 
2013-05-24 08:40:20 AM  

Pixel_Jockey: Rapmaster2000: [www.washingtonpost.com image 600x530]
Not that I'm blaming McDonald's for this.  They're just giving you fatties what you want.  It's smart business.

That's a cute graphic, but 42 oz drinks and 12oz hamburgers are not all that common.


cdn.biggestmenu.com
You sound fat.
 
2013-05-24 08:42:17 AM  

Pixel_Jockey: That's a cute graphic, but 42 oz drinks and 12oz hamburgers are not all that common.


I think it's comparing unlike things at each end of the axis, but the general gist is still true. Portion sizes have gone up significantly.

It's hard anymore to go out to eat and get a burger that's less than 6 oz. It's common for them to be 8 oz. and it's not uncommon to have the option of a burger that's a full pound of meat.

On top of that there's cheese, bacon.... it's ridiculous.
 
2013-05-24 08:47:37 AM  
Shh, you're not supposed to know that the man goes out in a vehicle decorated like a happy meal bag and leaves a trail of cheeseburgers back to the McDonald's where he chains up the kids until they eat their happy meal.
 
2013-05-24 08:50:08 AM  

skozlaw: Pixel_Jockey: That's a cute graphic, but 42 oz drinks and 12oz hamburgers are not all that common.

I think it's comparing unlike things at each end of the axis, but the general gist is still true. Portion sizes have gone up significantly.

It's hard anymore to go out to eat and get a burger that's less than 6 oz. It's common for them to be 8 oz. and it's not uncommon to have the option of a burger that's a full pound of meat.

On top of that there's cheese, bacon.... it's ridiculous.


I was just at a brewery in NH that had a 5oz burger on the menu. It was perfect! I wish i could find that portion size more often.

/the beer was good too
 
2013-05-24 08:51:33 AM  

Hobodeluxe: The important question here is why does the USA today think this is worth reporting?


Because McDonald's has fallen behind in ad purchases
 
2013-05-24 08:53:15 AM  
Is Ronald putting a gun to your head?  No?  Then STFU and GTFO.  Go eat elsewhere.

(insert ronaldwtfamireading.jpg)
 
2013-05-24 08:55:46 AM  
Let's see, last time I ate at McDonald's was about FIFTEEN YEARS ago.  I could care less what they are doing, I CHOOSE not to eat there.
 
2013-05-24 08:57:57 AM  
Why dose this Nutritional Activist open a restaurant that serves healtghy foods to compete with McDonald's? That is the American way. I would eat there if the food tasted good and the prices were reasonable.
 
2013-05-24 08:59:18 AM  
Oops. that should be healthy foods.
 
2013-05-24 09:02:33 AM  

ggecko: Let's see, last time I ate at McDonald's was about FIFTEEN YEARS ago. I could care less what they are doing, I CHOOSE not to eat there.


I sometimes get a bagel breakfast sandwich. They're good to for the occasional greasy junk food craving and big enough you can skip lunch and have a light dinner.
 
2013-05-24 09:15:20 AM  
Gee y'know what I hate you pretentious little brat? Parents who use their kids to forward their own agenda and also, parents who can't learn to say no to their kids. If they market toward children it's because that is their target market. It's as simple and easy as saying "no, that's a special treat, tonight we eat something I made from scratch at home, at the table, as a family". Her mom probably breaks the kid out at parties as a fun trick.
 
2013-05-24 09:21:39 AM  
That's it, just keep whining about how personal responsibility has died and how no one should be told what to do except kids by their parents and blah blah blah while completely ignoring that we're all getting crazy fat.

Saying "parents should do a better job" doesn't do anything to fix the problem, and there is a problem.  Today's Colorado 
(thinnest state) is as obese as 1995's Alabama (fattest state.)
 
2013-05-24 09:25:28 AM  
hardinparamedic

Am I the only one that is stupid and nieve enough to think that this was totally real and not staged in the least by some douchebag of a mother?

Also not staged
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-05-24 09:28:46 AM  

OnlyM3: hardinparamedic

Am I the only one that is stupid and nieve enough to think that this was totally real and not staged in the least by some douchebag of a mother?
Also not staged
[1.bp.blogspot.com image 666x444]


Oh come on. Next you'll tell me this wasn't staged.

images.sodahead.com
 
2013-05-24 09:31:43 AM  
I bet that a lot of her birthday party invitations get lost in the mail.
 
2013-05-24 09:35:57 AM  

werty789: Why dose this Nutritional Activist open a restaurant that serves healtghy foods to compete with McDonald's? That is the American way. I would eat there if the food tasted good and the prices were reasonable.


Because people who live their lives being "offended" at everything are generally only "good" at being offended by everything. This woman is an impotent, mediocre tyrant who has likely failed in all other aspects of her life.
 
2013-05-24 09:41:53 AM  

wyltoknow: It sort of scares me how complacent people are in regards to blatant manipulation by advertisers.


It terrifies me that people are so easily duped by blatant manipulation by advertisers. Grow a brain, morans.
 
2013-05-24 09:45:09 AM  
Green pepper and onion meatball on Wonder bread was good enough for me, dammit!
 
2013-05-24 09:45:26 AM  

Rapmaster2000: [www.washingtonpost.com image 600x530]
Not that I'm blaming McDonald's for this.  They're just giving you fatties what you want.  It's smart business.


this.  Especially the sodas.  Sometimes I order a meal and get the medium size but ask for a small soda.  the medium barely fits in my cupholders or is too top heavy to hand a turn and the large, I don't need a large QUART of soda to go with a hamburger.

Lsherm: Look, McDonald's isn't the problem.  Their salads and their fruit packs don't sell as well as the Big Mac and Quarter Pounder.  Even those new "healthy" wraps they're offering are rocking over 550 calories and 20g of fat on average.

No one wants healthy fast food.  If they did, then your local wheatgrass smoothie chain would be nationwide and making billions.  If McDonald's changed to "Broccoli R Us" they'd be out of business in a year.   That isn't their fault, it's our fault.


No, its broccoli's fault for not tasting as delicious as a cow. cow-flavored soy.
 
2013-05-24 09:48:46 AM  

Hyjamon: Rapmaster2000: [www.washingtonpost.com image 600x530]
Not that I'm blaming McDonald's for this.  They're just giving you fatties what you want.  It's smart business.

this.  Especially the sodas.  Sometimes I order a meal and get the medium size but ask for a small soda.  the medium barely fits in my cupholders or is too top heavy to hand a turn and the large, I don't need a large QUART of soda to go with a hamburger.


Since purchasing a BMW (yeah, pricks on the inside), I have to get a small everywhere I go.  Anything larger than that won't fit in the cupholder.  I imagine some stern German engineer saying "cars are for driving, not for drinking!"
 
2013-05-24 09:57:20 AM  
Oh good.  A "news" story whose theme is, "Stupid health-conscious stupid people are stupid, and say stupid things.  All of them.  For example, this nine-year-old."

USA! USA! USA!
 
2013-05-24 10:10:23 AM  

Rapmaster2000: Since purchasing a BMW (yeah, pricks on the inside), I have to get a small everywhere I go.  Anything larger than that won't fit in the cupholder.  I imagine some stern German engineer saying "cars are for driving, not for drinking!"


I can fit a large Taco Bell cup in my 128i cupholder, but shifting gears becomes a biatch.
 
2013-05-24 10:12:35 AM  

Thunderpipes: clovercat: Well go ahead and eat there. They serve healthy food.


[static2.businessinsider.com image 400x300]

Kids growing up in the 70s like us ate there all the time. We were much, much more healthy than current kids. I wonder why?

Oh, we actually played outside?

Quit blaming food, bunch of wussy little foodies.


This in a huge way. Kids don't play outside much at all anymore; it's too hot, there's three feet of snow on the ground with roving bands of child molesters skulking about.

Besides, with Internet and Xbox, why would anyone go outside?
 
2013-05-24 10:14:01 AM  
You say kids aren't forced to eat there, but I can remember being a kid and not having a choice.

We ended up at SickDonalds, because my idiot sister wanted to go there.  I protested, frequently loudly, but was still handed that awful hamburger tasting of sawdust and the cardboard fries.  I still don't understand how you people could possibly like those fries, they're some sort of reconstituted potato mush, very slight changes to the processing and that stuff would be the box, not the fries.

But yes, I was forced to eat there.  I would have been perfectly happy with some broiled scallops over rice, and some steamed asparagus, maybe with a nice mustard sauce.  I would have been ecstatic with a nice plate of crab, or some steamed oysters, or...  well, you get the idea.  Don't get me wrong, it wasn't necessarily healthy food, I wanted my butter, I wanted my cheese, I wanted my cream sauces.
 
2013-05-24 10:14:11 AM  

tricycleracer: Rapmaster2000: Since purchasing a BMW (yeah, pricks on the inside), I have to get a small everywhere I go.  Anything larger than that won't fit in the cupholder.  I imagine some stern German engineer saying "cars are for driving, not for drinking!"

I can fit a large Taco Bell cup in my 128i cupholder, but shifting gears becomes a biatch.


I have a 328i:
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I can wedge it in the console, but then I can't shift without holding my arm at a ridiculous angle.
 
2013-05-24 10:26:23 AM  

Rapmaster2000: [www.washingtonpost.com image 600x530]
Not that I'm blaming McDonald's for this.  They're just giving you fatties what you want.  It's smart business.


7 ounces!? My kids milk at school is at least a pint! Hell it was only recently I saw those tiny 8 oz. cans at the supermarket.
 
2013-05-24 10:27:40 AM  
All I came here to say is BOGO Big Macs this weekend!

/NY Metro Area
//YMMV
 
2013-05-24 10:33:16 AM  

ajgeek: Rapmaster2000: [www.washingtonpost.com image 600x530]
Not that I'm blaming McDonald's for this.  They're just giving you fatties what you want.  It's smart business.

7 ounces!? My kids milk at school is at least a pint! Hell it was only recently I saw those tiny 8 oz. cans at the supermarket.


I thought all school milks were half-pints.
 
2013-05-24 10:34:00 AM  

Yes this is dog: BarkingUnicorn: Whatever Mom has been feeding this kid can't be much healthier than McD's:

[www.gannett-cdn.com image 534x401]

The actual food, or the poison she feeds her kid's head?



i162.photobucket.com

Yes.
 
2013-05-24 10:37:16 AM  

GreenAdder: It's true. Don Thompson showed up at my door just the other day. He said he was going to robble the place. I suspected that he was going to try to sell me encyclopedias instead, so I wouldn't let him in. When I assured that he was just going to robble robble, I relented. Instead, for the next five hours, he tied me to a chair and played Ludwig Von Beethoven while shoving hamburgers into my gob. It was like "A Clockwork Orange," but with sesame seeds.

After the fifth hour, he stopped and growled at me. "Where are your kids?!"

When I informed him my wife and I had no children, he howled with rage and kicked over my television. Then he suddenly became placid and docile, untying me and helping me to my feet.

"I'm terribly sorry," he offered. "I only forcefeed children. I had assumed you had kids. Is this [address redacted]?]"

Spitting out a pickle slice, I shook my head. I felt like I was going to throw up. "No. That's... that's three blocks over."

"Damn," he said, lighting up a cigarette. I don't usually allow smoking in my place, but this time I didn't say anything. I was partially afraid he'd get riled up again, and I also kind of felt sorry for him.

"It's these parents. They don't realize they can just tell their little booger-biters, 'no, I'm not taking you to McDonald's.' So I have to find one or two kids in each neighborhood and fatten them up a bit."

Between between deep breaths, I uttered, "Uh... and this gets the other parents to say 'no?'"

He laughed. His spirits were suddenly up. "Quite the contrary, my now-rotund friend. It gets them to say yes. Their kids don't want to be the only ones on the block without a tummy full of my fatty foods. Profits are up. But do you know something? I don't do it for the profit. I don't do it because I hate kids. I do it for world peace."

Even though I was getting nauseous enough to ruin his hush-puppies with recycled McFood, I mustered the energy to look inquisitive.

"Oh, everyone always gives me that look," he laughed. "Think about it. Eventually you and I know there's going to be another draft. How can there not be? The military is already spread all over hell-and-back. But who's going to draft a nation full of fatties?"

Suddenly I noticed his eye was doing that twitchy thing, and his grin was a bit too toothy. As I felt myself about to heave, a pain shot through my left shoulder. I looked in horror to see a hypodermic needle.

As I drifted off to slumber, Don said, "I'm sorry again for the mix-up. I've got a crack team of surgeons coming over here to get all of that out of you. You'll be back to your old self in no time."

I awoke with a barely-visible surgery scar in my abdomen. In my wallet, I found a card good for "a lifetime of free McDonald's." I'm not in a hurry to use it.

So yes, Hannah. There is a Don Thompson. And as much as you might think he's a big meanie right now, you have to realize he cares about you and all of your little friends. He'd rather not see you sent to North Korea or Iran. He just wants you to enjoy a Happy Meal or seven and live a good American life.


This, this is awesome.

I am going to start singing Don Thompson carols.
 
2013-05-24 10:49:21 AM  
For a few moments, Hannah Robertson - whose mother, Kia ...

STOP.  How many generations of crazy we talking about here?  Because that's at least three.
 
2013-05-24 10:58:54 AM  

NewportBarGuy: I think my parent's took me there like 10 times as a kid (not counting road trips where it's all you can get on the highway). That was the 80's and 90's.

Shut your suck, lady and stop brainwashing your kid!


This.  She's probably brainwashing her to be an atheist too.
 
2013-05-24 11:10:09 AM  

Nabb1: I don't like McDonald's for my kids, either. That's why it's only a special treat and not a regular thing for them. I'm just not sanctimonious about it, nor do I blame McDonald's for forcing the occasional indulgence upon me.


And my daughter gets the apples rather than fries.
 
2013-05-24 11:10:16 AM  

Dafatone: That's it, just keep whining about how personal responsibility has died and how no one should be told what to do except kids by their parents and blah blah blah while completely ignoring that we're all getting crazy fat.


We're not ignoring it; we're hypothesizing why it's happening and how to fix it.
 
2013-05-24 11:13:53 AM  

Rapmaster2000: ajgeek: Rapmaster2000: [www.washingtonpost.com image 600x530]
Not that I'm blaming McDonald's for this.  They're just giving you fatties what you want.  It's smart business.

7 ounces!? My kids milk at school is at least a pint! Hell it was only recently I saw those tiny 8 oz. cans at the supermarket.

I thought all school milks were half-pints.


Exactly. Where the hell do kids get full pints of milk? That's actually too much milk I'd say for anyone younger than say, 5th grade, at one sitting.
 
2013-05-24 11:15:29 AM  

Dafatone: crazy fat


I prefer lazy fat myself.  Crazy requires the necessary effort to move which results in losing weight.

With that said, I have the perfect compromise on my treadmill. I walk and read.  Reading is the lazy part, the walking is to make my knees wonder why I'm doing this to them and if I don't get off the treadmill they will and take me with them.
 
2013-05-24 11:16:44 AM  

weirdneighbour: ShawnDoc: I hate people that insist on forcing their kids to get involved in political issues that the kids are too young to understand.

[blog.nj.com image 453x300]

www.gannett-cdn.com
 
2013-05-24 11:18:00 AM  

DeathCipris: weirdneighbour: ShawnDoc: I hate people that insist on forcing their kids to get involved in political issues that the kids are too young to understand.

[blog.nj.com image 453x300]
[www.gannett-cdn.com image 534x401]


Two for the rod, three for the tackle.
 
2013-05-24 11:19:34 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: DeathCipris: weirdneighbour: ShawnDoc: I hate people that insist on forcing their kids to get involved in political issues that the kids are too young to understand.

[blog.nj.com image 453x300]
[www.gannett-cdn.com image 534x401]

Two for the rod, three for the tackle.


In for a penny, in for a pound?
A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush?

/I have no idea.
 
2013-05-24 11:29:58 AM  
The so-called "libertarian" asshats who want to jump down this girl's throat MAY have a point once McDonalds stops advertising to children.

That is all.
 
2013-05-24 11:34:36 AM  

udhq: The so-called "libertarian" asshats who want to jump down this girl's throat MAY have a point once McDonalds stops advertising to children.

That is all.


The asshat girl and her asshat mother, and the asshats defending their asshattery, might have a point if and when free will and common sense are abolished.

That is all.
 
2013-05-24 11:35:54 AM  

optikeye: Remember when "Butter" was bad for you and "Transfat Whipped Butter Subsititues" was considered healthy? Yeah, about that.


Yep, remember that.  My mother was just happy that the price of butter got cheaper :) lol
 
2013-05-24 11:41:37 AM  

DeathCipris: www.gannett-cdn.com


Yeah that really bothered me, seeing kids holding those signs.

It's strange, I'm hardly the "activist" type, but lately I've been taking a closer interest in the whole "gays in Scouting" issue.
 
2013-05-24 11:42:03 AM  
FTFA "Today I ate a rainbow"

Yea kid, and McDonalds burgers are made from slaughtered unicorns.


/go toss an Elf's salad.
 
2013-05-24 11:46:29 AM  
That little girl has the look of someone who is going to turn 18 and then have a lesbian affair with a minor and then try and garner as much attention as she possibly can. Just a hunch.
 
2013-05-24 11:47:11 AM  

Debeo Summa Credo: udhq: The so-called "libertarian" asshats who want to jump down this girl's throat MAY have a point once McDonalds stops advertising to children.

That is all.

The asshat girl and her asshat mother, and the asshats defending their asshattery, might have a point if and when free will and common sense are abolished.

That is all.


You don't really have free will if one side is allowed to bombard the other side with 15,000 lies per day from birth.
 
2013-05-24 11:52:31 AM  

PapaChester: The fact that they have cheap and healthy options makes these people look even more foolish


LOL. What "healthy" options do they have? Also, the kid never said McDonald's "forces" kids to eat there. She just said they trick kids into thinking their food is healthy. That is true. Even you fell for the "healthy options" bullshiat.
 
2013-05-24 11:57:51 AM  

wyltoknow: It sort of scares me how complacent people are in regards to blatant manipulation by advertisers.


Some of us just avoid sources of those adverts: kids shows come on dvd now, use the recorder to blast thru commercials, etc. Parents can and should have a greater influence on their children than marketers.
 
2013-05-24 11:58:38 AM  

udhq: You don't really have free will if one side is allowed to bombard the other side with 15,000 lies per day from birth.


You sound meek, and easily manipulated.
 
2013-05-24 12:07:23 PM  

Pixel_Jockey: That's a cute graphic, but 42 oz drinks and 12oz hamburgers are not all that common.


Nor would a 12oz burger be about twelve times the size of a 3.9oz burger.
 
2013-05-24 12:09:36 PM  

GoldSpider: udhq: You don't really have free will if one side is allowed to bombard the other side with 15,000 lies per day from birth.

You sound meek, and easily manipulated.


I'm not, but I can't speak for the millions of 3-5 year olds that will sit through dozens of McDonalds ads tomorrow during Saturday morning cartoons without possessing the cognitive tools to know that they are being flat-out lied to.
 
2013-05-24 12:11:36 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Pixel_Jockey: Rapmaster2000: [www.washingtonpost.com image 600x530]
Not that I'm blaming McDonald's for this.  They're just giving you fatties what you want.  It's smart business.

That's a cute graphic, but 42 oz drinks and 12oz hamburgers are not all that common.

[cdn.biggestmenu.com image 500x375]
You sound fat.


It looks like I need to get out more often.
 
2013-05-24 12:12:26 PM  
No one is FORCED to eat fast food. Obese adults have only themselves to blame, but if a young person is obese by the time they get to high school it is the parents' fault. My late husband and I had our kids playing rec league basketball and soccer from the age of 5 years. They continued on through the middle school and high school teams (adding track).

Plus our kids grew up watching us parents walk, run, lift weights and practice soccer with them (I still have my cleats). I cooked during the work/school week: fast food was the weekend treat.

We never had problems with weight. My husband and son have passed but my daughter, who is 25 yo now still runs and cycles and is a brick house. I run long distance, lift weighs and dance (my pic is in my profile). We eat all we want.

Parents HAVE to be active with their kids. If the child has a medical condition that contributes to obesity (thyroid, PCOS) then the parents have to work doubly hard to make sure the child maintains a healthy weight because it's not just about looks - it's about mobility, strength and quality of life!
 
2013-05-24 12:16:35 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Pixel_Jockey: Rapmaster2000: [www.washingtonpost.com image 600x530]
Not that I'm blaming McDonald's for this.  They're just giving you fatties what you want.  It's smart business.

That's a cute graphic, but 42 oz drinks and 12oz hamburgers are not all that common.

[cdn.biggestmenu.com image 500x375]
You sound fat.


I'm curious, did you just take that pic to prove me wrong, or do you just happen to have a bunch of stock photography with comically oversized drinks?
 
2013-05-24 12:20:35 PM  
Everything in moderation - why is this so hard to understand?
 
2013-05-24 12:26:14 PM  

udhq: I'm not, but I can't speak for the millions of 3-5 year olds that will sit through dozens of McDonalds ads tomorrow during Saturday morning cartoons without possessing the cognitive tools to know that they are being flat-out lied to.


That's why parents are supposed to be a barrier between kids and the things they see on TV.
 
2013-05-24 12:26:19 PM  

udhq: GoldSpider: udhq: You don't really have free will if one side is allowed to bombard the other side with 15,000 lies per day from birth.

You sound meek, and easily manipulated.

I'm not, but I can't speak for the millions of 3-5 year olds that will sit through dozens of McDonalds ads tomorrow during Saturday morning cartoons without possessing the cognitive tools to know that they are being flat-out lied to.


I'm impressed that these 3-5 year olds are able to get to McDonalds by themselves and procure currency on their own with which to buy the poisonous food about which they've been lied to.

Are we dealing with some sort of breed of super-preschoolers here? Maybe there's something in the food that allows them to be so precociously self sufficient. Science should look into that.
 
2013-05-24 12:26:27 PM  

udhq: GoldSpider: udhq: You don't really have free will if one side is allowed to bombard the other side with 15,000 lies per day from birth.

You sound meek, and easily manipulated.

I'm not, but I can't speak for the millions of 3-5 year olds that will sit through dozens of McDonalds ads tomorrow during Saturday morning cartoons without possessing the cognitive tools to know that they are being flat-out lied to.


It's too bad all those orphans don't have an adult person, or even two, that could educate their children properly when subjects like fast food and "healthy" fast food options come up in conversation. Unfortunately, such a position of paternal authority doesn't exist since all the adults died off.
 
2013-05-24 12:33:51 PM  
The odd McDonald's isn't the problem, it's that most people can't cook a damn or work too many hours and rely heavily on pre-made junk food.

My cousin's kid already has something like 5 cavities and she's only 3. Mom works nights for health insurance and Dad has his own business and works long hours during the day.

Neither knows how to cook.
 
2013-05-24 12:34:40 PM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: ChubbyTiger: Bungles: When I've visited the US, the ludicrous portion sizes in random cafes and restaurants makes the standardised sizing of McDonalds look positively health-conscious. At least you know what you're eating.

I've had many regular main meals in Texas and Las Vegas that would have easily been 2500 calories on the plate in a single course, and half a salt-mine.

This. We've got portion issues. Hell, I went to France and ate out every meal for a week+. Croissant for breakfast, lots of wine, etc. and I actually lost a little bit of weight.

/less fast than that sounded

Don't worry, you don't sound very fast.


Thank you Swype, for totally rotskying me.

/not fat
//not particularly fast, either
 
2013-05-24 12:37:15 PM  

GreenSun: Lol, poor little kid being used as a TOOL by her own mother! She's lucky she wasn't born in a poor country, otherwise her mother might have sold her to prostitution or slave trade.


I guess that make's mom an "Attention Pimp"
 
2013-05-24 12:39:27 PM  
The existence of parents shouldn't be seen as a society-wide license to prey on children with impunity.
 
2013-05-24 12:41:22 PM  

ukexpat: Everything in moderation - why is this so hard to understand?


This.

And yet, in my nearly 30 or so years on this planet, I have yet to see a McDonalds ad that suggests anything but unlimited, immoderate use of their product.
 
2013-05-24 12:56:58 PM  

GoldSpider: That's why parents are supposed to be a barrier between kids and the things they see on TV.


Debeo Summa Credo: Are we dealing with some sort of breed of super-preschoolers here? Maybe there's something in the food that allows them to be so precociously self sufficient. Science should look into that.


mooseyfate: It's too bad all those orphans don't have an adult person, or even two, that could educate their children properly when subjects like fast food and "healthy" fast food options come up in conversation. Unfortunately, such a position of paternal authority doesn't exist since all the adults died off.


All 3 of the above statements could also be used to defend the man driving around in the white "free candy" cargo van.

"Don't blame him, he's just doing his job.  It's the parents' responsibility to teach their children that the only things in the back of that van are werthers and sadness.  If anyone else tries to reinforce that point, look out, they're trying to steal your freedom!"
 
2013-05-24 01:01:07 PM  

udhq: All 3 of the above statements could also be used to defend the man driving around in the white "free candy" cargo van.


If you're going to sell your opinion as a rational, reasonable rebuttal to ours, you ought not equate fast food with child kidnapping and/or rape.
 
2013-05-24 01:02:27 PM  

udhq: GoldSpider: That's why parents are supposed to be a barrier between kids and the things they see on TV.

Debeo Summa Credo: Are we dealing with some sort of breed of super-preschoolers here? Maybe there's something in the food that allows them to be so precociously self sufficient. Science should look into that.

mooseyfate: It's too bad all those orphans don't have an adult person, or even two, that could educate their children properly when subjects like fast food and "healthy" fast food options come up in conversation. Unfortunately, such a position of paternal authority doesn't exist since all the adults died off.

All 3 of the above statements could also be used to defend the man driving around in the white "free candy" cargo van.

"Don't blame him, he's just doing his job.  It's the parents' responsibility to teach their children that the only things in the back of that van are werthers and sadness.  If anyone else tries to reinforce that point, look out, they're trying to steal your freedom!"


That argument is so stupid, it just gave me cancer. Equating advertising to child molesters? Did you even read that before you posted it? Because I really hope you didn't type that up and sit there with a smug look on your face, proudly proclaiming in your inner voice: That'll show them!
 
2013-05-24 01:05:53 PM  

GoldSpider: udhq: All 3 of the above statements could also be used to defend the man driving around in the white "free candy" cargo van.

If you're going to sell your opinion as a rational, reasonable rebuttal to ours, you ought not equate fast food with child kidnapping and/or rape.


No one is "equating" the two.  I'm just pointing out that you are bending over backwards to defend people who make money by preying on children and giving them life long health problems.
 
2013-05-24 01:08:30 PM  

udhq: No one is "equating" the two.


Right, you're just "comparing" them.
 
2013-05-24 01:13:58 PM  

GoldSpider: udhq: No one is "equating" the two.

Right, you're just "comparing" them.


I'm just saying that both prey on children.  You dispute that?
 
2013-05-24 01:15:50 PM  

mooseyfate: That argument is so stupid, it just gave me cancer. Equating advertising to child molesters? Did you even read that before you posted it? Because I really hope you didn't type that up and sit there with a smug look on your face, proudly proclaiming in your inner voice: That'll show them!


Here's a scenario to consider:  You've already made clear that you're ok with McDonald's delivering unlimited, almost completely unregulated sales pitches to children on a daily basis, based on the argument that most kids have parents to protect them.

What if McDonalds hired people to drive around to playgrounds and parks and hand out free burgers and fries to children to get them hooked?  Would that behavior be excusable under the assumption that most have parents to teach them the truth about these foods?
 
2013-05-24 01:27:45 PM  
For the life of me, I couldn't figure out why I was craving a McDonald's sausage biscuit this morning.  I now realize it's because I had a bunch of friends on Facebook fawningly posting this video all over my feed.
 
2013-05-24 01:31:50 PM  
The free market says that the public wants disgustingly unhealthy fast food. Shouldn't they be allowed to have it?

/I used to eat McD's once a month or so as a treat and I really enjoyed it
//stopped going a few years ago, it started to gross me out
 
2013-05-24 01:32:05 PM  

ukexpat: Everything in moderation - why is this so hard to understand?


because it is impossible to achieve without becoming a hypocrite.

if you do everything in moderation, then you are excessively applying moderation, which contradicts acting moderately when you take it to the extreme and apply it to everything.

if you apply moderation to how you apply moderation, then eventually you must take it to the extreme occasionally and thus you are not applying moderation to everything.

it is a paradox to apply moderation to everything.

//moderate amount of slashies
 
2013-05-24 01:38:59 PM  
What! Parents use there kids to forward there own half baked agendas?
Who knew?
 
2013-05-24 01:46:19 PM  

udhq: The so-called "libertarian" asshats who want to jump down this girl's throat MAY have a point once McDonalds stops advertising to children.

That is all.


Isn't she, in her public protest, also advertising a viewpoint in an effort to modify the behavior of others? Why is her ability to advertise inherently better than anyone else's?
 
2013-05-24 01:47:08 PM  

udhq: I'm not, but I can't speak for the millions of 3-5 year olds that will sit through dozens of McDonalds ads tomorrow during Saturday morning cartoons without possessing the cognitive tools to know that they are being flat-out lied to.


No one is forced to watch Saturday morning cartoons, either.

/also, what is a Saturday morning cartoon?  How old are you?
 
2013-05-24 01:49:24 PM  

udhq: You've already made clear that you're ok with McDonald's delivering unlimited, almost completely unregulated sales pitches to children on a daily basis


You're putting words in mouths like they were hamburgers and you're McDonald's.
 
2013-05-24 01:50:03 PM  

udhq: GoldSpider: That's why parents are supposed to be a barrier between kids and the things they see on TV.

Debeo Summa Credo: Are we dealing with some sort of breed of super-preschoolers here? Maybe there's something in the food that allows them to be so precociously self sufficient. Science should look into that.

mooseyfate: It's too bad all those orphans don't have an adult person, or even two, that could educate their children properly when subjects like fast food and "healthy" fast food options come up in conversation. Unfortunately, such a position of paternal authority doesn't exist since all the adults died off.

All 3 of the above statements could also be used to defend the man driving around in the white "free candy" cargo van.

"Don't blame him, he's just doing his job.  It's the parents' responsibility to teach their children that the only things in the back of that van are werthers and sadness.  If anyone else tries to reinforce that point, look out, they're trying to steal your freedom!"


Except, ya know, kidnapping children is a crime, and selling them a cheeseburger isn't.
 
2013-05-24 01:53:33 PM  
Oh little girl, you're so stupid! Nobody's forced to eat at Mcdonalds. Hell, I rarely even see a commercial from them anymore, so it's not like they're blitzing everyone trying to annoy them into going. Sounds like someone got a coachin' from their idiotic tart mother who is using the girl as a puppet for her own schemes.

Any parent who needs to live through their child is a loser.
 
2013-05-24 01:56:20 PM  

udhq: ukexpat: Everything in moderation - why is this so hard to understand?

This.

And yet, in my nearly 30 or so years on this planet, I have yet to see a McDonalds ad that suggests anything but unlimited, immoderate use of their product.


Post one ad from McDonalds where they explicitly suggest an unlimited and immoderate use of their product. It shouldn't be too hard since you claim there's 30 years worth.
 
2013-05-24 01:58:11 PM  

werty789: Oops. that should be healthy foods.


It also should be DOES.
 
2013-05-24 01:59:31 PM  
What the CEO of McDonald's might look like:

www.supernaturalwiki.com

Look at him, taunting that boy with healthy snacks! What a monster! They're gonna ride that toy horse straight to the drive-thru at Mickey D's, and the boy will even get a consolation prize for his nightmarish ordeal!
 
2013-05-24 02:03:18 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Hyjamon: Rapmaster2000: [www.washingtonpost.com image 600x530]
Not that I'm blaming McDonald's for this.  They're just giving you fatties what you want.  It's smart business.

this.  Especially the sodas.  Sometimes I order a meal and get the medium size but ask for a small soda.  the medium barely fits in my cupholders or is too top heavy to hand a turn and the large, I don't need a large QUART of soda to go with a hamburger.

Since purchasing a BMW (yeah, pricks on the inside), I have to get a small everywhere I go.  Anything larger than that won't fit in the cupholder.  I imagine some stern German engineer saying "cars are for driving, not for drinking!"


I never thought about that. They hold a beer perfectly. The oddity is that my friend's Caravan has cup holders big enough for a five gallon bucket.
 
2013-05-24 02:07:09 PM  

DarkVader: You say kids aren't forced to eat there, but I can remember being a kid and not having a choice.

We ended up at SickDonalds, because my idiot sister wanted to go there.  I protested, frequently loudly, but was still handed that awful hamburger tasting of sawdust and the cardboard fries.  I still don't understand how you people could possibly like those fries, they're some sort of reconstituted potato mush, very slight changes to the processing and that stuff would be the box, not the fries.

But yes, I was forced to eat there.  I would have been perfectly happy with some broiled scallops over rice, and some steamed asparagus, maybe with a nice mustard sauce.  I would have been ecstatic with a nice plate of crab, or some steamed oysters, or...  well, you get the idea.  Don't get me wrong, it wasn't necessarily healthy food, I wanted my butter, I wanted my cheese, I wanted my cream sauces.


Wow... I have you farkied as a "wanna be tough guy and a liar." So, maybe it's prophetic.
 
2013-05-24 02:07:30 PM  

poot_rootbeer: udhq: I'm not, but I can't speak for the millions of 3-5 year olds that will sit through dozens of McDonalds ads tomorrow during Saturday morning cartoons without possessing the cognitive tools to know that they are being flat-out lied to.

No one is forced to watch Saturday morning cartoons, either.

/also, what is a Saturday morning cartoon?  How old are you?


Yeah, does that whole get up early and wait for cartoons thing exist any longer? I loved it as a child, but something tells me that my kid will be like, why did you have to wait?

Well, back in the olden days....
 
2013-05-24 02:14:18 PM  

udhq: GoldSpider: udhq: You don't really have free will if one side is allowed to bombard the other side with 15,000 lies per day from birth.

You sound meek, and easily manipulated.

I'm not, but I can't speak for the millions of 3-5 year olds that will sit through dozens of McDonalds ads tomorrow during Saturday morning cartoons without possessing the cognitive tools to know that they are being flat-out lied to.


Which McDonald's ad is lying? Be specific and show your work. Hyperbole isn't a valid argument.
 
2013-05-24 02:18:15 PM  

UnspokenVoice: udhq: GoldSpider: udhq: You don't really have free will if one side is allowed to bombard the other side with 15,000 lies per day from birth.

You sound meek, and easily manipulated.

I'm not, but I can't speak for the millions of 3-5 year olds that will sit through dozens of McDonalds ads tomorrow during Saturday morning cartoons without possessing the cognitive tools to know that they are being flat-out lied to.

Which McDonald's ad is lying? Be specific and show your work. Hyperbole isn't a valid argument.


He's been called on his bullshiat. I suspect if he even returns to this thread it will only be to deflect further attention from his spurious propositions.
 
2013-05-24 02:19:52 PM  

GoldSpider: udhq: I'm not, but I can't speak for the millions of 3-5 year olds that will sit through dozens of McDonalds ads tomorrow during Saturday morning cartoons without possessing the cognitive tools to know that they are being flat-out lied to.

That's why parents are supposed to be a barrier between kids and the things they see on TV.


No, they're an incompetent parent who thinks that the television is the babysitter and that they have no responsibility in raising their offspring. They then attempt to make us do their parenting for them because they can't. It's no wonder their kids are fat and lazy.
 
2013-05-24 02:25:11 PM  

Hyjamon: ukexpat: Everything in moderation - why is this so hard to understand?

because it is impossible to achieve without becoming a hypocrite.

if you do everything in moderation, then you are excessively applying moderation, which contradicts acting moderately when you take it to the extreme and apply it to everything.

if you apply moderation to how you apply moderation, then eventually you must take it to the extreme occasionally and thus you are not applying moderation to everything.

it is a paradox to apply moderation to everything.

//moderate amount of slashies


I like to term it like this:

I am extreme in my hate of extremism.

That's just about enough posts for this thread. LOL Oh well.
 
2013-05-24 02:25:42 PM  

udhq: I'm just saying that both prey on children. You dispute that?


"Prey"?  Yes, I dispute that.
 
2013-05-24 02:26:42 PM  

UnspokenVoice: udhq: GoldSpider: udhq: You don't really have free will if one side is allowed to bombard the other side with 15,000 lies per day from birth.

You sound meek, and easily manipulated.

I'm not, but I can't speak for the millions of 3-5 year olds that will sit through dozens of McDonalds ads tomorrow during Saturday morning cartoons without possessing the cognitive tools to know that they are being flat-out lied to.

Which McDonald's ad is lying? Be specific and show your work. Hyperbole isn't a valid argument.


Also: Show me saturday morning cartoons?

http://beta.abc.go.com/schedule

you will note "News" then "Your local Programing"
http://www.nbc.com/schedule/

You will note: No Saturday morning scheduale

http://www.cbs.com/schedule/?t=7

none here

http://www.locatetv.com/listings/cw#25-May-2013

Or here

http://www.locatetv.com/listings/fox#25-May-2013

Or here

Its almost as if we have Channels FOR CHILDREN and CABLE CARTOON CHANNELS

When you say things like "Saturday Morning Cartoons" its like you don't know what your talking about
 
2013-05-24 02:26:44 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: UnspokenVoice: udhq: GoldSpider: udhq: You don't really have free will if one side is allowed to bombard the other side with 15,000 lies per day from birth.

You sound meek, and easily manipulated.

I'm not, but I can't speak for the millions of 3-5 year olds that will sit through dozens of McDonalds ads tomorrow during Saturday morning cartoons without possessing the cognitive tools to know that they are being flat-out lied to.

Which McDonald's ad is lying? Be specific and show your work. Hyperbole isn't a valid argument.

He's been called on his bullshiat. I suspect if he even returns to this thread it will only be to deflect further attention from his spurious propositions.


Nice, just saw yours. I was working my way down the thread. ;) I suspect cowardice will prevent them from returning and admitting their mistake.
 
2013-05-24 02:28:17 PM  

sendtodave: Fark can be so schizophrenic, I swear.

One day it's mocking lard-butts, the next it's championing personal choice.


Why are those things mutually exclusive in your mind?
 
2013-05-24 02:29:35 PM  

TeddyRooseveltsMustache: Oh little girl, you're so stupid! Nobody's forced to eat at Mcdonalds. Hell, I rarely even see a commercial from them anymore, so it's not like they're blitzing everyone trying to annoy them into going. Sounds like someone got a coachin' from their idiotic tart mother who is using the girl as a puppet for her own schemes.

Any parent who needs to live through their child is a loser.


So naming my son Vicarious was a bad idea?  would Munchhausen Biproxy Smith have been better?
 
2013-05-24 02:31:45 PM  

mediablitz: PapaChester: The fact that they have cheap and healthy options makes these people look even more foolish

LOL. What "healthy" options do they have? Also, the kid never said McDonald's "forces" kids to eat there. She just said they trick kids into thinking their food is healthy. That is true. Even you fell for the "healthy options" bullshiat.


Salads
Parfaits
Wraps (especially the chicken wrap)

Thats three

Take the breading off any fish sandwich and its healthy
 
2013-05-24 02:33:12 PM  

karasoth: UnspokenVoice: udhq: GoldSpider: udhq:

Its almost as if we have Channels FOR CHILDREN and CABLE CARTOON CHANNELS

When you say things like "Saturday Morning Cartoons" its like you don't know what your talking about


not all of us are 1%'ers who have cable.  I can barely afford my fridge, microwave, cell phone and 55" TV with the xbox attached.

/got nothing
 
2013-05-24 02:34:34 PM  
yum.sfstation.com
 
2013-05-24 02:39:20 PM  

Rapmaster2000: [www.washingtonpost.com image 600x530]
Not that I'm blaming McDonald's for this.  They're just giving you fatties what you want.  It's smart business.


rotflmao

12oz Burger

Whoever made this graphic has never been to a McDonalds
 
2013-05-24 02:48:14 PM  

Hyjamon: karasoth: UnspokenVoice: udhq: GoldSpider: udhq:

Its almost as if we have Channels FOR CHILDREN and CABLE CARTOON CHANNELS

When you say things like "Saturday Morning Cartoons" its like you don't know what your talking about

not all of us are 1%'ers who have cable.  I can barely afford my fridge, microwave, cell phone and 55" TV with the xbox attached.

/got nothing


I just scoffed out loud at your post, then I read past the first sentence and had a nice literal lol, a llol if you will
 
2013-05-24 02:59:11 PM  

Jument: The free market says that the public wants disgustingly unhealthy fast food. Shouldn't they be allowed to have it?


No, the free market doesn't say that the public wants disgustingly unhealthy fast food.

When kids do something (like eat at McDonalds) because they've been conditioned with 15,000 incomplete, misleading sales pitches per day since birth, that isn't a "free market".

In order to have a "free market", consumers must have access to all the information necessary to make their decision.  That means:

a), either companies need to stop targeting children with advertising, or else schools need to teach kids how to intelligently "consume" those 15,000 commercial messages per day they are exposed to.

b), all these ads need to be required to TELL THE TRUTH, and by that I mean the WHOLE truth; there needs to be a message attached to each ad stating that this food is not safe to consume more than once a month or so, or else a message stating that when used as directed, this food will cause obesity, diabetes, heart disease and early death.
 
2013-05-24 03:03:47 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Isn't she, in her public protest, also advertising a viewpoint in an effort to modify the behavior of others? Why is her ability to advertise inherently better than anyone else's?


Mcdonalds advertises a viewpoint in which they have a direct economic incentive for you to take actions that will be damaging to your health.  The girl does not.

Also, she's not lying to you, like Mcdonalds is almost constantly.
 
2013-05-24 03:07:34 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I have nothing against McDonalds at all in terms if the healthfulness or lack thereof of their poducts. But around 10 years ago I just stopped liking anything sold there (except the Coke.) I think it's just my personal preferences, but McDonalds just doesn't taste good to me anymore.

/had a Big Mac tonight
//it was pretty gross


When ever I take my niece, nephew, or friend's kids out they tend to want to hit Mc D's.  I also don't much care for their food.  However, they do a decent salad.
 
2013-05-24 03:10:53 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Post one ad from McDonalds where they explicitly suggest an unlimited and immoderate use of their product. It shouldn't be too hard since you claim there's 30 years worth.


Do you know what "food porn" is?

It's quite literally depictions of food in the style of glamor photography, that is meant to arouse what the industry calls "food lust".

The food industry has been using this template since the 60s, and in the absence of any sort of messaging about responsible use or consequences of use, the message is clear:  consume our product, as much and as often as possible.
 
2013-05-24 03:15:22 PM  
ffs. brainwashed future hipster
 
2013-05-24 03:15:27 PM  

udhq: Jument: The free market says that the public wants disgustingly unhealthy fast food. Shouldn't they be allowed to have it?

No, the free market doesn't say that the public wants disgustingly unhealthy fast food.

When kids do something (like eat at McDonalds) because they've been conditioned with 15,000 incomplete, misleading sales pitches per day since birth, that isn't a "free market".

In order to have a "free market", consumers must have access to all the information necessary to make their decision.  That means:

a), either companies need to stop targeting children with advertising, or else schools need to teach kids how to intelligently "consume" those 15,000 commercial messages per day they are exposed to.

b), all these ads need to be required to TELL THE TRUTH, and by that I mean the WHOLE truth; there needs to be a message attached to each ad stating that this food is not safe to consume more than once a month or so, or else a message stating that when used as directed, this food will cause obesity, diabetes, heart disease and early death.


They do: You feel the grossness of the rubberized patties McDonalds claim is beef?

The taste tells you its bad for you.

Just like the nice burny scratchy feeling from smoking tells you its bad for you.

Ads don't lie to you: You lie to yourself
 
2013-05-24 03:16:13 PM  

UnspokenVoice: Which McDonald's ad is lying? Be specific and show your work. Hyperbole isn't a valid argument.


Um... all of them?  I have never seen an ad for McDonalds with an accurate depiction of their typical customer, or the actual consequences of consuming their products as directed.

If one exists, please, by all means, share it.
 
2013-05-24 03:16:23 PM  

Nabb1: I don't like McDonald's for my kids, either. That's why it's only a special treat and not a regular thing for them. I'm just not sanctimonious about it, nor do I blame McDonald's for forcing the occasional indulgence upon me.


so what you mean is you eat like a pig when going out?
 
2013-05-24 03:19:49 PM  

GoldSpider: udhq: I'm just saying that both prey on children. You dispute that?

"Prey"?  Yes, I dispute that.


Preying:  transitive verb: "to have an injurious, destructive, or wasting effect"

That's pretty much the definition of wealthy adults trying to brainwash children into consuming slop that will take years off their lives when used as directed.
 
2013-05-24 03:21:08 PM  

udhq: UnspokenVoice: Which McDonald's ad is lying? Be specific and show your work. Hyperbole isn't a valid argument.

Um... all of them?  I have never seen an ad for McDonalds with an accurate depiction of their typical customer, or the actual consequences of consuming their products as directed.

If one exists, please, by all means, share it.


No, no. Show me a McDonald's commercial that is lying as you claimed. Just one will do. Not including information isn't lying (they also don't tell you what's in their secret sauce) and a "typical" customer (or lack of one) isn't lying either.

You're so invested in this that you'll just keep going, won't you? Silly child. Man up and determine what you want for your children instead of expecting us to change the world to suit your laziness and inability to parent.
 
2013-05-24 03:21:31 PM  
Albert911emt:
Yeah, so much THIS.  If you don't like it, fine, don't eat there. But some people do like eating there, and who the hell are you to try and interfere in what others choose to eat?

****But, but, OBESITY EPIDEMIC and how it increases the cost of healthcare!
 
2013-05-24 03:23:06 PM  

udhq: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Post one ad from McDonalds where they explicitly suggest an unlimited and immoderate use of their product. It shouldn't be too hard since you claim there's 30 years worth.

Do you know what "food porn" is?

It's quite literally depictions of food in the style of glamor photography, that is meant to arouse what the industry calls "food lust".

The food industry has been using this template since the 60s, and in the absence of any sort of messaging about responsible use or consequences of use, the message is clear:  consume our product, as much and as often as possible.


Again ever eat multiple McDonald's burgers bro? You don't need a message about being responsible
 
2013-05-24 03:27:50 PM  

UnspokenVoice: No, no. Show me a McDonald's commercial that is lying as you claimed. Just one will do. Not including information isn't lying (they also don't tell you what's in their secret sauce) and a "typical" customer (or lack of one) isn't lying either.

You're so invested in this that you'll just keep going, won't you? Silly child. Man up and determine what you want for your children instead of expecting us to change the world to suit your laziness and inability to parent.


Sure, first one I found when I searched on youtube:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmrTDZy3f2M

The message?  An association between eating Mcdonald's food and playing professional basketball.  What could possibly be misleading about that?
 
2013-05-24 03:28:26 PM  

Dharma Bumstead: Albert911emt:
Yeah, so much THIS.  If you don't like it, fine, don't eat there. But some people do like eating there, and who the hell are you to try and interfere in what others choose to eat?

****But, but, OBESITY EPIDEMIC and how it increases the cost of healthcare!


I don't disagree.....however, keep your mitts offa mah calories, cholesterol and saturated fat!!!
 
2013-05-24 03:30:40 PM  

BHShaman: [yum.sfstation.com image 528x298]


Mmmmm. . .  Nasim Pedrad
 
2013-05-24 03:32:08 PM  

udhq: UnspokenVoice: No, no. Show me a McDonald's commercial that is lying as you claimed. Just one will do. Not including information isn't lying (they also don't tell you what's in their secret sauce) and a "typical" customer (or lack of one) isn't lying either.

You're so invested in this that you'll just keep going, won't you? Silly child. Man up and determine what you want for your children instead of expecting us to change the world to suit your laziness and inability to parent.

Sure, first one I found when I searched on youtube:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmrTDZy3f2M

The message?  An association between eating Mcdonald's food and playing professional basketball.  What could possibly be misleading about that?


Heh the only guy who eats the McD's is old and presumably, with all due respect to Larry, out of shape.

An association with being past your prime is much stronger
 
2013-05-24 03:32:33 PM  

UnspokenVoice: Not including information isn't lying (they also don't tell you what's in their secret sauce) and a "typical" customer (or lack of one) isn't lying either.


BTW, Personal Responsibility decided to take the toaster bath after reading this sentence.
 
2013-05-24 03:34:56 PM  

TotallyHeadless: BHShaman: [yum.sfstation.com image 528x298]

Mmmmm. . .  Nasim Pedrad


As soon as they invent the holodeck, I'm spending the night with Nasim as Ariana Huffington.
 
2013-05-24 03:38:30 PM  

udhq: That's pretty much the definition of wealthy adults trying to brainwash children into consuming slop that will take years off their lives when used as directed.


You'll have to elaborate on that particular qualifier.  I don't recall ever seeing a McDonald's ad that directed me to suck down 3 Big Macs and a pound of fries in a sitting.
 
2013-05-24 03:41:55 PM  

udhq: UnspokenVoice: No, no. Show me a McDonald's commercial that is lying as you claimed. Just one will do. Not including information isn't lying (they also don't tell you what's in their secret sauce) and a "typical" customer (or lack of one) isn't lying either.

You're so invested in this that you'll just keep going, won't you? Silly child. Man up and determine what you want for your children instead of expecting us to change the world to suit your laziness and inability to parent.

Sure, first one I found when I searched on youtube:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmrTDZy3f2M

The message?  An association between eating Mcdonald's food and playing professional basketball.  What could possibly be misleading about that?


Not a commercial for kids
 
2013-05-24 03:42:06 PM  

reported: How do these innocent children independently get to McDonald's to buy their egregiously unhealthy food? Just do your job as a parent and tell your precious snowflake, "No McDonald's today, STFU and eat your broccoli."


Have you ever been a parent, farkwit? Yes, responsible parents should educate their children about the perils of soaking in advertisement messaging. Guess what, though? there's a hell of a lot to do as a parent and consumerism is a foundation of this scam society, so it's not like they're gonna get much help from the establishment.
 
What about the part where corporations participate in psychological warfare do you not understand? TV commercials and kids' meals lead cravings and implanted desires; basically this is a case of a multinational corporation leverage childrens' vulnerable psyches to pit them against their parents better judgement and peace of mind. "You'll shoot your eye out" becomes "WTFE we'll get the crappy meal so you can have the toy and STFU for a couple hours."

/not a parent
 
2013-05-24 03:49:10 PM  

GoldSpider: udhq: That's pretty much the definition of wealthy adults trying to brainwash children into consuming slop that will take years off their lives when used as directed.

You'll have to elaborate on that particular qualifier.  I don't recall ever seeing a McDonald's ad that directed me to suck down 3 Big Macs and a pound of fries in a sitting.


Here's a classic food porn ad.

The message is all about blind lust.  This ad is simply trying to make you want a big mac.

No information provided, no messaging on safe consumption.  Just "Want this.  Don't think.  Turn off your brain and EAT THIS, as much and as often as possible."

Can you imagine if OTC or prescription drugs were advertised like this?
 
2013-05-24 03:50:05 PM  

udhq: Jument: The free market says that the public wants disgustingly unhealthy fast food. Shouldn't they be allowed to have it?

No, the free market doesn't say that the public wants disgustingly unhealthy fast food.

When kids do something (like eat at McDonalds) because they've been conditioned with 15,000 incomplete, misleading sales pitches per day since birth, that isn't a "free market".

In order to have a "free market", consumers must have access to all the information necessary to make their decision.  That means:

a), either companies need to stop targeting children with advertising, or else schools need to teach kids how to intelligently "consume" those 15,000 commercial messages per day they are exposed to.

b), all these ads need to be required to TELL THE TRUTH, and by that I mean the WHOLE truth; there needs to be a message attached to each ad stating that this food is not safe to consume more than once a month or so, or else a message stating that when used as directed, this food will cause obesity, diabetes, heart disease and early death.


First, you clearly don't understand what a free market system is, so your points are inherently invalid, but even if they weren't:

a) What you fail to accept is that it is not McDonald's job to police what you eat. It's their job to provide a product people want and to sell that product the best they can within the bounds of the law.  Any social responsibility a company takes beyond that is optional and really just another angle at increasing their bottom line. Typically, large companies become more socially responsible because they have to, they're trying to capitalize on the current market, or maybe lure in more investors. There are plenty of reasons, but none of them are because they really care about you. McDonalds offering healthier options was designed to pull in more customers, particularly the goldenmillennial market. McDonalds isnot responsible for raising your children. Neither is any other business, not even public schools. If you can't handle that, then don't have children.

b) Those ads do tell the truth. Is it a colored version that paints them in the best light? Absolutely. Is it a flat out lie? No, there are actually laws against that. I haven't seen one person post a McDonalds ad that lies, despite requests to do so. I have seen you lie. You could eat McDonalds everyday and be fine, provided you take care of yourself other ways. McDonalds doesn't say you don't need to exercise. McDonalds doesn't say that diet of nothing but fries is a healthy way to eat. McDonalds assumes, unfortunately incorrectly, that you aren't a moron. They assume that you have some control over what and where you're kids eat. They don't hide anything. All nutritional information is provided, no studies are hidden. Anything you could ever want to know about McDonald or their food is just a few keystrokes away. You want them to actively market against their product and change to offer what it's pretty clear the majority doesn't want. Why not go after Mars? They sort of imply that Snickers are something other than candy because they have peanuts. Or Pepsi? They offer a soda with 60% less sugar, which is still way to much to drink to excess. Companies aren't responsible for you and I'll be damned if I want them telling me what I can and cannot eat. They provide a product and I choose to buy it. And if I'm old enough to buy it myself (which would imply a job of some kind, or at least an allowance which is controlled by the parents) then I should be allowed too. If not, then it would have been my parents job to regulate what I buy. Just because you don't want to take personal responsibility, doesn't mean you can force someone else too. That's the problem with people today. They're lazy, don't want to put in the effort and blame someone else for their mistakes.

//Feels old
 
2013-05-24 03:52:16 PM  

udhq: UnspokenVoice: No, no. Show me a McDonald's commercial that is lying as you claimed. Just one will do. Not including information isn't lying (they also don't tell you what's in their secret sauce) and a "typical" customer (or lack of one) isn't lying either.

You're so invested in this that you'll just keep going, won't you? Silly child. Man up and determine what you want for your children instead of expecting us to change the world to suit your laziness and inability to parent.

Sure, first one I found when I searched on youtube:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmrTDZy3f2M

The message?  An association between eating Mcdonald's food and playing professional basketball.  What could possibly be misleading about that?


Nothing. I'm sure that Larry Bird ate at McDonald's. I bet you every single professional basketball player has eaten there.
 
2013-05-24 03:53:01 PM  

Hyjamon: TeddyRooseveltsMustache: Oh little girl, you're so stupid! Nobody's forced to eat at Mcdonalds. Hell, I rarely even see a commercial from them anymore, so it's not like they're blitzing everyone trying to annoy them into going. Sounds like someone got a coachin' from their idiotic tart mother who is using the girl as a puppet for her own schemes.

Any parent who needs to live through their child is a loser.

So naming my son Vicarious was a bad idea?  would Munchhausen Biproxy Smith have been better?


It has a ring to it.
 
2013-05-24 03:54:23 PM  

udhq: UnspokenVoice: Not including information isn't lying (they also don't tell you what's in their secret sauce) and a "typical" customer (or lack of one) isn't lying either.

BTW, Personal Responsibility decided to take the toaster bath after reading this sentence.


Yes, it is obviously too complicated for you. Face it, you're an idiot who chose to put forth their stupidity online and is now being called on it. Feel free to keep typing. We'll keep making fun of you. Why? Because you're wrong. You haven't said a single correct thing.
 
2013-05-24 03:54:58 PM  

udhq: GoldSpider: udhq: That's pretty much the definition of wealthy adults trying to brainwash children into consuming slop that will take years off their lives when used as directed.

You'll have to elaborate on that particular qualifier.  I don't recall ever seeing a McDonald's ad that directed me to suck down 3 Big Macs and a pound of fries in a sitting.

Here's a classic food porn ad.

The message is all about blind lust.  This ad is simply trying to make you want a big mac.

No information provided, no messaging on safe consumption.  Just "Want this.  Don't think.  Turn off your brain and EAT THIS, as much and as often as possible."

Can you imagine if OTC or prescription drugs were advertised like this?


No where in that ad does McDonalds lie. Some OTC drugs are advertised like that and amazingly I and millions of others not uncontrollably drawn, kicking and screaming, to the store to buy them. It's crazy, you'd think since we all have no free will and can only do what an ad tell us that they wouldn't be able to keep the shelves stocked.
 
2013-05-24 03:57:40 PM  

UnspokenVoice: udhq: UnspokenVoice: Not including information isn't lying (they also don't tell you what's in their secret sauce) and a "typical" customer (or lack of one) isn't lying either.

BTW, Personal Responsibility decided to take the toaster bath after reading this sentence.

Yes, it is obviously too complicated for you. Face it, you're an idiot who chose to put forth their stupidity online and is now being called on it. Feel free to keep typing. We'll keep making fun of you. Why? Because you're wrong. You haven't said a single correct thing.


UnspokenVoice, you're my hero of the day.
 
2013-05-24 04:03:03 PM  

udhq: mooseyfate: That argument is so stupid, it just gave me cancer. Equating advertising to child molesters? Did you even read that before you posted it? Because I really hope you didn't type that up and sit there with a smug look on your face, proudly proclaiming in your inner voice: That'll show them!

Here's a scenario to consider:  You've already made clear that you're ok with McDonald's delivering unlimited, almost completely unregulated sales pitches to children on a daily basis, based on the argument that most kids have parents to protect them.

What if McDonalds hired people to drive around to playgrounds and parks and hand out free burgers and fries to children to get them hooked?  Would that behavior be excusable under the assumption that most have parents to teach them the truth about these foods?


You are REALLY terrible at making good arguments. Don't let anyone tell you differently. Seriously, this may be the worst attempt at a "rational argument" I've ever seen, and I once argued with MeowSaidtheDog. I don't think you've come within one square mile of anything resembling a decent point.
 
2013-05-24 04:03:16 PM  

Hexsun: First, you clearly don't understand what a free market system is, so your points are inherently invalid, but even if they weren't:

a) What you fail to accept is that it is not McDonald's job to police what you eat. It's their job to provide a product people want and to sell that product the best they can within the bounds of the law. Any social responsibility a company takes beyond that is optional and really just another angle at increasing their bottom line. Typically, large companies become more socially responsible because they have to, they're trying to capitalize on the current market, or maybe lure in more investors. There are plenty of reasons, but none of them are because they really care about you. McDonalds offering healthier options was designed to pull in more customers, particularly the goldenmillennial market. McDonalds isnot responsible for raising your children. Neither is any other business, not even public schools. If you can't handle that, then don't have children.


Look, when you choose to walk into a McDonalds and buy a burger, there are 2 parties choosing to enter into a transaction that is (at least presumably) mutually beneficial.  Why on Earth shouldn't those 2 parties share equally in the consequences of that transaction?  Why should "personal responsibility" only apply to one of the parties?

Why should being under the umbrella of an almost omnipotently powerful billion-dollar corporation absolve one from all personal responsibility for one's actions and choices?

No one is FORCING McDonalds to make money by selling you a burger.  So why the need to protect them from their responsibility for choosing to participate in that transaction???

It seems that if people here were REALLY in favor of libertarian-style freedom, they wouldn't feel the need shield McDonalds from the consequences of their choices.
 
2013-05-24 04:04:32 PM  

Rex Kramer - Danger Seeker: That little girl has the look of someone who is going to turn 18 and then have a lesbian affair with a minor and then try and garner as much attention as she possibly can. Just a hunch.


i40.tinypic.com
 
2013-05-24 04:07:57 PM  

Hexsun: UnspokenVoice: udhq: UnspokenVoice: Not including information isn't lying (they also don't tell you what's in their secret sauce) and a "typical" customer (or lack of one) isn't lying either.

BTW, Personal Responsibility decided to take the toaster bath after reading this sentence.

Yes, it is obviously too complicated for you. Face it, you're an idiot who chose to put forth their stupidity online and is now being called on it. Feel free to keep typing. We'll keep making fun of you. Why? Because you're wrong. You haven't said a single correct thing.

UnspokenVoice, you're my hero of the day.


I don't think anyone has ever told me that before and I've been told a lot of things. ;) The most frightening thing is that this person speaks as if they have children, I hope the State takes them away from him before he does any more damage.
 
2013-05-24 04:09:46 PM  

UnspokenVoice: Nothing. I'm sure that Larry Bird ate at McDonald's. I bet you every single professional basketball player has eaten there.


And yet, if I lied with as much impunity about McDonalds' products as they did, I would be jailed.  In fact, I would be hauled into court if I even told inconvenient truths about their food too loudly.

*farkied in derpy green as "corporatist bootlicker"*

And to you I say good day sir.
 
2013-05-24 04:10:22 PM  

udhq: a), either companies need to stop targeting children with advertising, or else schools need to teach kids how to intelligently "consume" those 15,000 commercial messages per day they are exposed to.


 Why should schools be doing this?  Do you want 10 million teatards screaming in your face about "Socialism"?

Targetting children with advertising is perfectly legitimate.  Attempting to ban it runs into first amendment issues.  Deceptive Advertising is something completely different, but God forbid you should try to regulate something like that, because, you know, "big government" and "socialism". and "regulation is evil" and all that stupid crap.
 
2013-05-24 04:14:09 PM  

mooseyfate: You are REALLY terrible at making good arguments. Don't let anyone tell you differently. Seriously, this may be the worst attempt at a "rational argument" I've ever seen, and I once argued with MeowSaidtheDog. I don't think you've come within one square mile of anything resembling a decent point.


And why is that?  Because you're not aware that there was a time when this was a fairly common practice within the food industry?
 
2013-05-24 04:16:01 PM  

udhq: UnspokenVoice: Not including information isn't lying (they also don't tell you what's in their secret sauce) and a "typical" customer (or lack of one) isn't lying either.

BTW, Personal Responsibility decided to take the toaster bath after reading this sentence.


YOU are making a joke about Personal Responsibility? YOU?!
 
2013-05-24 04:18:37 PM  

Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: udhq: a), either companies need to stop targeting children with advertising, or else schools need to teach kids how to intelligently "consume" those 15,000 commercial messages per day they are exposed to.

 Why should schools be doing this?  Do you want 10 million teatards screaming in your face about "Socialism"?

Targetting children with advertising is perfectly legitimate.  Attempting to ban it runs into first amendment issues.  Deceptive Advertising is something completely different, but God forbid you should try to regulate something like that, because, you know, "big government" and "socialism". and "regulation is evil" and all that stupid crap.


Why should schools be doing this?  Because this country is full of educated adults who think as long as multinational corporation X stamps "low fat" or "diet" on that bag of deep fried garbage, that means they can eat unlimited amounts of it.  And to see the consequences of that, all you need to do is to go outside and look around.
 
2013-05-24 04:22:00 PM  

udhq: UnspokenVoice: Nothing. I'm sure that Larry Bird ate at McDonald's. I bet you every single professional basketball player has eaten there.

And yet, if I lied with as much impunity about McDonalds' products as they did, I would be jailed.  In fact, I would be hauled into court if I even told inconvenient truths about their food too loudly.

*farkied in derpy green as "corporatist bootlicker"*

And to you I say good day sir.


You still haven't shown me where they have a commercial that lies. Not one... You are the liar. Now, what state do you live in and what is your real name so I can report you to their Department of Child Services? You shouldn't even be allowed around children.

Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: udhq: a), either companies need to stop targeting children with advertising, or else schools need to teach kids how to intelligently "consume" those 15,000 commercial messages per day they are exposed to.

 Why should schools be doing this?  Do you want 10 million teatards screaming in your face about "Socialism"?

Targetting children with advertising is perfectly legitimate.  Attempting to ban it runs into first amendment issues.  Deceptive Advertising is something completely different, but God forbid you should try to regulate something like that, because, you know, "big government" and "socialism". and "regulation is evil" and all that stupid crap.


He is incompetent as a parent and unwilling to teach his children anything. It is society's responsibility to raise his crotch fruit.
 
2013-05-24 04:23:57 PM  

mooseyfate: YOU are making a joke about Personal Responsibility? YOU?!


Hey, I'm the only one here arguing that EVERYBODY should be held responsible for their choices.

You're the one saying people should get a free pass on personal responsibility if they work for a multinational corporation.
 
2013-05-24 04:24:42 PM  

udhq: UnspokenVoice: Nothing. I'm sure that Larry Bird ate at McDonald's. I bet you every single professional basketball player has eaten there.

And yet, if I lied with as much impunity about McDonalds' products as they did, I would be jailed.  In fact, I would be hauled into court if I even told inconvenient truths about their food too loudly.

*farkied in derpy green as "corporatist bootlicker"*

And to you I say good day sir.


Oh, sorry, I forgot to mention - linking to an article about people LYING about McDonald's isn't helping your case. You really are a dumb ass who shouldn't have had children. You're a horrific person and will surely ruin them. Give them up for adoption.
 
2013-05-24 04:28:35 PM  

UnspokenVoice: You still haven't shown me where they have a commercial that lies. Not one... You are the liar. Now, what state do you live in and what is your real name so I can report you to their Department of Child Services? You shouldn't even be allowed around children.


I've shown you two, and you've shown me that you don't speak the language of advertising, that you need a talking head saying explicitly what advertising executives know enough to say implicitly through imagery and symbolism.

BTW, since nuance is clearly not your strong suit, "Good day sir" means I've come to the conclusion that you have nothing to add, and that we're done here.
 
2013-05-24 04:28:38 PM  

udhq: Jument: The free market says that the public wants disgustingly unhealthy fast food. Shouldn't they be allowed to have it?

No, the free market doesn't say that the public wants disgustingly unhealthy fast food.

When kids do something (like eat at McDonalds) because they've been conditioned with 15,000 incomplete, misleading sales pitches per day since birth, that isn't a "free market".

In order to have a "free market", consumers must have access to all the information necessary to make their decision.  That means:

a), either companies need to stop targeting children with advertising, or else schools need to teach kids how to intelligently "consume" those 15,000 commercial messages per day they are exposed to.

b), all these ads need to be required to TELL THE TRUTH, and by that I mean the WHOLE truth; there needs to be a message attached to each ad stating that this food is not safe to consume more than once a month or so, or else a message stating that when used as directed, this food will cause obesity, diabetes, heart disease and early death.


Oh please. People are ultimately responsible for themselves and as for targeting children, so what? Step up and parent your damn children. Advertisers have always and will always bombard your children trying to get them to pressure you to buy stupid shiat that you don't need. You don't have to buy it for them if you don't want to.
 
2013-05-24 04:28:58 PM  

udhq: mooseyfate: YOU are making a joke about Personal Responsibility? YOU?!

Hey, I'm the only one here arguing that EVERYBODY should be held responsible for their choices.

You're the one saying people should get a free pass on personal responsibility if they work for a multinational corporation.


If you buy something the onus is on YOU to be responsible with its use. Just like if you have children the onus is on YOU to control what they eat. Face it, you're still wrong and still stupid. This conversation is only going to make you look dumber and dumber. Or, you can ignore me as you claimed you would but we both know you're still reading this. Dumb ass.
 
2013-05-24 04:29:17 PM  

udhq: Hexsun: First, you clearly don't understand what a free market system is, so your points are inherently invalid, but even if they weren't:

a) What you fail to accept is that it is not McDonald's job to police what you eat. It's their job to provide a product people want and to sell that product the best they can within the bounds of the law. Any social responsibility a company takes beyond that is optional and really just another angle at increasing their bottom line. Typically, large companies become more socially responsible because they have to, they're trying to capitalize on the current market, or maybe lure in more investors. There are plenty of reasons, but none of them are because they really care about you. McDonalds offering healthier options was designed to pull in more customers, particularly the goldenmillennial market. McDonalds isnot responsible for raising your children. Neither is any other business, not even public schools. If you can't handle that, then don't have children.

Look, when you choose to walk into a McDonalds and buy a burger, there are 2 parties choosing to enter into a transaction that is (at least presumably) mutually beneficial.  Why on Earth shouldn't those 2 parties share equally in the consequences of that transaction?  Why should "personal responsibility" only apply to one of the parties?

Why should being under the umbrella of an almost omnipotently powerful billion-dollar corporation absolve one from all personal responsibility for one's actions and choices?

No one is FORCING McDonalds to make money by selling you a burger.  So why the need to protect them from their responsibility for choosing to participate in that transaction???

It seems that if people here were REALLY in favor of libertarian-style freedom, they wouldn't feel the need shield McDonalds from the consequences of their choices.


Because when you walked into McDonalds, you made the choice. You chose to eat the horrible, unhealthy food therefore you are "personally responsible" for the consequences. McDonalds "personal responsibility" falls to their bottom line. If they didn't make food people wanted, they would be out of business. Their responsibility ends with producing food that complies with the law and telling me what's inside it. It really is that simple. Afte that, the ball is in my court.

How am I under McDonalds power?  I haven't eaten there in months, but I almost certainly will again someday. No one is FORCING me to buy the burger, so why should McDonalds be responsible?  You think that I'm trying to protect McDonalds, but I'm not. I don't care at all about McDonalds. They could go out of business tomorrow and it wouldn't affect my life at all (besides the general hit to economy).

People aren't trying to shield McDonalds, they're trying to keep people from taking away their freedoms. If I want to open a restaurant that sells nothing but lard, that should be my choice. What you want is more forced, unnecessary control on business. Maybe we should chemically restrict breeding instead. Then, only if some one has proven that they are financially, emotionally, and psychologically stable, would they be allowed to have children. Same net effect of improving the quality of children, just a different route, place the reponsibilty where it belongs. It would do far more global benefit then anything we could ever do to McDonalds or any other restaurant.
 
2013-05-24 04:31:00 PM  

udhq: UnspokenVoice: You still haven't shown me where they have a commercial that lies. Not one... You are the liar. Now, what state do you live in and what is your real name so I can report you to their Department of Child Services? You shouldn't even be allowed around children.

I've shown you two, and you've shown me that you don't speak the language of advertising, that you need a talking head saying explicitly what advertising executives know enough to say implicitly through imagery and symbolism.

BTW, since nuance is clearly not your strong suit, "Good day sir" means I've come to the conclusion that you have nothing to add, and that we're done here.


Of course you have nothing to add, you had nothing to build on. The important part isn't that you respond, the important part is that you read what I write. You've lied, you've continued even after being shown you were wrong, and the worst part is you have children. Put them up for adoption before you ruin them too with illogical thinking and a lack of responsibility.
 
2013-05-24 04:32:47 PM  

Hexsun: Maybe we should chemically restrict breeding instead. Then, only if some one has proven that they are financially, emotionally, and psychologically stable, would they be allowed to have children.


No, now you're talking about taking away his rights. He can't have that.
 
2013-05-24 04:38:05 PM  

UnspokenVoice: Hexsun: Maybe we should chemically restrict breeding instead. Then, only if some one has proven that they are financially, emotionally, and psychologically stable, would they be allowed to have children.

No, now you're talking about taking away his rights. He can't have that.


Exactly. I figure he's probably a troll anyways, but it's OK because I needed to rant. I have an upper limit for stupidity and I've hit it pretty hard this week.
 
2013-05-24 04:40:03 PM  

Jument: Oh please. People are ultimately responsible for themselves and as for targeting children, so what? Step up and parent your damn children. Advertisers have always and will always bombard your children trying to get them to pressure you to buy stupid shiat that you don't need. You don't have to buy it for them if you don't want to.


I agree!  People are ultimately responsible for themselves.  So why is it so offensive to say that McDonalds should also be held responsible for it's decision to participate in these transactions?

And advertising to children isn't necessarily just about getting them to beg their parents for what they see in the ad, it's about conditioning them from a young age, to associate product X with emotion X, in order to create life-long cognitive consumer habits.  Even a kid who's never eaten at McDonalds knows that as a brand, it's all about fun, social engagement, and being physically active, even if the actual consequences of using their products are the exact opposite of this.
 
2013-05-24 04:40:16 PM  

Hexsun: UnspokenVoice: Hexsun: Maybe we should chemically restrict breeding instead. Then, only if some one has proven that they are financially, emotionally, and psychologically stable, would they be allowed to have children.

No, now you're talking about taking away his rights. He can't have that.

Exactly. I figure he's probably a troll anyways, but it's OK because I needed to rant. I have an upper limit for stupidity and I've hit it pretty hard this week.


I understand. I feel a lot better. Maybe there is something to that whole bullying the mentally handicapped thing after all? I'm going to go push a nun over and, when I get to court, I'm going to claim it was therapeutic.
 
2013-05-24 04:47:28 PM  

Hexsun: Because when you walked into McDonalds, you made the choice. You chose to eat the horrible, unhealthy food therefore you are "personally responsible" for the consequences. McDonalds "personal responsibility" falls to their bottom line. If they didn't make food people wanted, they would be out of business. Their responsibility ends with producing food that complies with the law and telling me what's inside it. It really is that simple. Afte that, the ball is in my court.


You would have a point if we were talking about eating habits in general, but we're not.  We're talking about a very specific transaction that involves 2 parties, each making the decision to participate of their own free will.

I'm not arguing in favor of stripping anyone of the freedom to make that choice or the consequence of that choice.  You are, for some reason.  You seem like a pretty reasonable and intelligent guy, especially in contrast to your little friend here, but it sounds like you're maybe not the libertarian you think you are.
 
2013-05-24 04:56:47 PM  

hardinparamedic: Am I the only one that is stupid and nieve

... ?

Does  the spelling of the second prove the first?
:)
 
2013-05-24 04:57:31 PM  
Reading this thread makes me wanna get a $1 McDouble after work. Too bad I ate a late lunch today.
 
2013-05-24 04:58:42 PM  

Albert911emt: Yeah, so much THIS. If you don't like it, fine, don't eat there. But some people do like eating there, and who the hell are you to try and interfere in what others choose to eat?


I'm Michael Bloomberg, biatch!
 
2013-05-24 05:05:31 PM  
I just don't GET this. I don't like seafood, I don't go to Red Lobster. If I were a "nutritional activist" (which I read as "yet another someone trying to force their lifestyle choices on everyone else") I wouldn't eat at McDonald's. I wouldn't fill my kid's mouth with my opinions and have them speak for me, though, it's disingenuous and not fair to the kid (I'm looking at the hyperreligious who do this, too). I think of "nutritional activism" the same way I think of "animal rights"--with a sigh of resignation and a fair bit of annoyance. Nutritional advisor=good (mostly because they'll help you if you ask but they don't run up to you in public and start demanding that you do as they do), just as "animal welfare" is better than "animal rights." When my kids were small, we got McDonald's once a month. That's it. They didn't argue about it because they knew that was it. If you're so lazy/greedy you have to eat there four times a week, you need a smack in the head.
 
2013-05-24 05:46:12 PM  

udhq: Hexsun: Because when you walked into McDonalds, you made the choice. You chose to eat the horrible, unhealthy food therefore you are "personally responsible" for the consequences. McDonalds "personal responsibility" falls to their bottom line. If they didn't make food people wanted, they would be out of business. Their responsibility ends with producing food that complies with the law and telling me what's inside it. It really is that simple. Afte that, the ball is in my court.

You would have a point if we were talking about eating habits in general, but we're not.  We're talking about a very specific transaction that involves 2 parties, each making the decision to participate of their own free will.

I'm not arguing in favor of stripping anyone of the freedom to make that choice or the consequence of that choice.  You are, for some reason.  You seem like a pretty reasonable and intelligent guy, especially in contrast to your little friend here, but it sounds like you're maybe not the libertarian you think you are.


The thing is, what you are asking is additional burden (which I consider to be undue) be place on companies. I'll try to be generic here since what you want would really apply to any company. You want them to fully expose every possible negative side effect that comes from every possible usage scenario in a 30 second window while still competing with other products that are not necessarily any better. I don't feel that is the correct place to put the onus.

No one will argue that fast food (or hundreds of other products) is particularly good for you. We may argue the level of harm or the semantics of "good" but fast food is not an ideal food choice. There are certain facts essentially everyone knows and there are certain societal expectations that we (used to) follow. One such fact is that fast food is not super healthy. You can make healthier choices, but it's still not super healthy. One expectation is that parents raise/police/monitor and care for their children. Children want to do things they shouldn't all the time. Almost as much as they don't want to do thing they should. We don't let them make these decisions on their own because they simple aren't capable yet. I may be irritated by a company that targets children with something I don't want them to have much of, but I'm still the one that has to tell them no. Then I let that company know by not buying their product. That is the absolute most important thing to most people. We see it all the time. All the "healthier" choices in fast food now are a result a general change in social attitude. People didn't need ads telling them

Regulation of the kind you seem to want, and it would have to be regulated, would cause product prices to rise significantly, across the board, even in "good" products. Companies would have to compile that information. Right now, they compile some but much of the negative info is from outside sources, which no company in their right mind would accept. I'm not saying those sources are wrong, but if a company is obligated to expose every possible negative side effect that comes from every possible usage scenario then they would absolutely want to verify the results themselves. Look at how much scrutiny we put drugs through? Imagine that for every product. We do it for drugs (among many reasons) because they are sufficiently complex to warrant that level of attention. The average person can't look at golimumab and know what it does, what it's made of and what might happen if you took 100 of them. The same cannot be said for hamburger, no matter who makes it. There is a reasonable expectation of knowledge. I could go on about the various things that would have to change to accommodation the level of active transparency you're asking, but this is just a silly internet post. Suffice it to say, we'd be paying more for everything and it wouldn't really change anything. People already know it's bad for them, they don't care.

I believe that passive transparency is sufficient. We make the specific information freely and readily available to anyone that wants it and at a high level, via education/parenting/mentoring/whatever, we provide the appropriate guidance. We've never had this level of access to information and we make good, though not great, use of it. Do you honestly think that any kind of warning or disclaimer is going to have any effect? Since everyone would have to use them, nothing would really change. It never has in the past and it likely never will because the most important thing to remember is that, as a collective group, we just don't care. Maybe someday we will, but I predict that if/when that day comes it will be on the back of parents stepping up and raising their kids better.

Also, I don't think of myself as libertarian. I think of myself as rational, logical, and reasonable. All things in moderation, including obligations we place on corporations.
 
2013-05-24 05:58:40 PM  
Activists? 100 years ago that woman would have been food on someones plate.

activists are right up there with philosophers on the absolutley useless self important nonsense scale.
 
2013-05-24 06:02:10 PM  
Aside from the mcnuggets, there is absolutely NOTHING cheap at McDonalds. It's expensive as all hell these days.

If you want to eat unhealthy, at least eat somewhere cheap.
 
2013-05-24 06:05:12 PM  

Nabb1: I don't like McDonald's for my kids, either. That's why it's only a special treat and not a regular thing for them. I'm just not sanctimonious about it, nor do I blame McDonald's for forcing the occasional indulgence upon me.


Personally I think we're really missing the point in that McDonald's marketing has historically been geared pretty heavily towards children, though to be fair all fast food places have followed suit. I guess these days media saturation has rendered McDonald's marketing towards kids to be hardly noticeable, but it is pretty creepy the way parents will condition their kids to like McD's and then biatch that little Tommy can roll down the street as he's so rotund.
 
2013-05-24 06:32:03 PM  
McDonald's DOES purposely target children. They want to get the branding in early so they can snag lifelong customers.

They don't actually hold a gun to your head and force you to order.
 
2013-05-24 06:42:16 PM  

Marcintosh: PapaChester: I read about this. I hate these kinds of people. Don't like the food? Then don't eat there! Your kids want to go but you don't want them to? Say no, idiot!

This is the mother farking U.S.A.. No one is forcing you stupid adults to eat at McDonalds

The fact that they have cheap and healthy options makes these people look even more foolish. Good for the CEO, standing up for his company.


"McDonalds is the place to rock."
W. Willis

Please bear in mind the advertising budget for McDonalds.  People forget that advertising isn't an informative product, it's a persuasive product and so while you might not be swayed by the advertising, millions of others are drawn in like moths to the flame.


I have no pity for stupid.

Stupid DESERVES every bad thing that comes their way.
 
2013-05-24 06:48:53 PM  
Hexsun:.....

I'll try to argue my case as concisely possible, but you say what I'm expecting of corporations is unreasonable.  I couldn't disagree more.  I think what you're expecting of individuals, especially those that are targeted by corporations like McDonald's is unreasonable.

McDonalds became the juggernaut it is today because it appealed to the middle class.  About 20 years ago, against McDonads' best efforts, the middle class started to catch on that this "food" was killing them.  Since then, McDonalds has largely lost the middle class, and has only expanded by moving "downmarket", i.e. targeting poorer and less educated people with it's advertising and menu (this is what the dollar menu was all about.)

Today, McDonalds' target demographic is a young, urban, single mother with a sub-high school education.  And you're asking that person to be able to fight back against a machine that is able to access her and her children 15,000 times a day through various media with misinformation.  Even to a really intelligent person who knows better, that wears a person down, especially when you're living the stressful lifestyle of a single working parent.  That's the goal of McDonalds' advertising; not to convince you that their food is good for you, but to wear down your ability to say "no" with it's ubiquity.  When that stopped working on the middle class, they went after the poor, and when it stopped working as well on the poor, they went after children.

You mention drugs, but you fail to mention that the US is one of the ONLY places on the planet that allows public advertising of prescription drugs.  I don't think ANYONE outside of the pharmaceutical industry would argue that that policy has been good for the American public.  All it has caused is people without a medical education self-diagnosing and then shopping for doctors to give them the pills they saw on TV.  You have people becoming convinced they have pathological restless leg or dry eye, or people with depression asking for Abilify (about $4/pill) when EVERY study ever conducted has shown Citalopram or Wellbutrin to be more effective at a tiny fraction of that cost.

So, what am I asking for?  Common sense restrictions on advertising.  Just like have on cigarettes, just like we have on beer.  Every notice about 10 years ago they added a simple "drink responsibly" to the end of every beer commercial?  That was not an undue burden on the beverage industry, nor has it ruined their sales.  But it has been effective, and a similar message would be effective with the food industry.  You see, it's not like consumers hear that and make a conscious decision to not drink beer, but it DOES help stem the tide against over-consumption when those 15,000 sales pitches a day are balanced out with 20 or so suggestions to consume responsibly.  All of sudden, you're not "worn out" so quickly by saturation advertising.  It's subtle, but it does make a small, but statistically significant difference.

Anyway, TLDR, I'm sure, but I do appreciate your POV.  It is reasonable and well stated, but at the end of the day, the corporations of "Big Food" are doing just fine, thank you very much.  Unfortunately, the same cannot be said for the target's of their ad campaigns, who are currently suffering through an epidemic of obesity and related diseases.  That being the case, I'm ok with erring on the side of public health vs. corporate accommodation, until those corporations are able to find a way for the 2 to coexist.
 
2013-05-24 09:14:43 PM  

PapaChester: Marcintosh: PapaChester: I read about this. I hate these kinds of people. Don't like the food? Then don't eat there! Your kids want to go but you don't want them to? Say no, idiot!

This is the mother farking U.S.A.. No one is forcing you stupid adults to eat at McDonalds

The fact that they have cheap and healthy options makes these people look even more foolish. Good for the CEO, standing up for his company.


"McDonalds is the place to rock."
W. Willis

Please bear in mind the advertising budget for McDonalds.  People forget that advertising isn't an informative product, it's a persuasive product and so while you might not be swayed by the advertising, millions of others are drawn in like moths to the flame.

I have no pity for stupid.

Stupid DESERVES every bad thing that comes their way.


You don't have to be stupid to be effected by commercials.  It's why we have them- to persuade you to buy stuff so they will keep purchasing the television programming you watch.  Actually television is more like a commercial interrupted by a story.

And you might like to have a drink now and again, to kill the bug up your ass.
adios
 
2013-05-24 10:04:42 PM  
So mom's an uppity biatch, then?

I don't like fast food, either.  You know how I've come to grips with it in my life?  I DON'T FARKING EAT THERE.

Seems easier than being a raging attention whoring asshole.
 
2013-05-25 01:09:07 AM  

GreenAdder: IInstead, for the next five hours, he tied me to a chair and played Ludwig Von Beethoven while shoving hamburgers into my gob. It was like "A Clockwork Orange," but with sesame seeds.


Can I be next?
 
2013-05-25 01:43:57 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: There are some people who won't be happy until fast food restaurants have to pay for ads showing obese people talking about all of the medical problems that their overindulgence led to, similar to what tobacco companies have to do now.


I might have more sympathy for the plight of the poor, regulated tobacco companies if they hadn't spent decades manipulating their product and lying about it under oath.
 
2013-05-25 02:32:37 AM  

udhq: 15,000 times a day


You stuck around in here telling lies THAT long? I'm impressed but I guess it is easy for stupid people to stay focused on one simple task. You should work in a factory and stop abusing your children, put them up for adoption. Refusing to respond to me because I've refuted every single argument you've tendered is childish and an admission of error. If you're able to admit your error then why do you keep bleating? Nobody else is going to agree with you because you're wrong.

15000 times a day... LOL That's rich! Seriously, put your children up for adoption. It's the only way to keep them safe. Does your real name start with the letter B? I want to watch your local paper so that I can see the fallout from this. It is bound to be entertaining as all hell.

Either way, I'm pretty sure you're just trolling. Nobody can be that dumb. Seriously, it is pretty much impossible to be that dumb and not have already died from stabbing oneself with a fork while trying to eat. I'm just not sure what you're expecting to get from trolling. If it was attention then, well, I guess you got it. There are easier ways to get attention though and you could have used that same effort to get attention that wasn't negative.

"Adolescent exposure to television food advertising also increased by 11%, averaging 16.2 food ads per day, and representing the highest level of exposure seen in the past nine years."

Source: http://www.yaleruddcenter.org/resources/upload/docs/what/reports/RuddR eport_TVFoodAdvertising_6.11.pdf

Yeah, you're a liar. You accuse them of lying, have yet to show them actually lying, but have continued to lie yourself. How is it you can complain about lies when the only one telling lies is you? Yeah, I'd ignore me too. I'd refuse to respond, pout, and whine. Pathetic... You could man up and admit you're wrong but frail egos usually prevent that.

I suppose I'm being pretty rough on you. I think it was your repeated lies that were the final decision maker on my part. The anonymity of the internet is the one place where you can actually be honest no matter what. You failed at even that. Pathetic... Just pathetic.
 
2013-05-25 04:27:00 AM  
Just pointing out that we still have yet to see even one example of a McDonalds ad lying about a product, or an ad promoting "unlimited and immoderate use" of their product.

Just some average commercials and a whole bunch of pseudo-psychology and conjecture.

Heh
 
2013-05-25 05:30:54 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Just pointing out that we still have yet to see even one example of a McDonalds ad lying about a product, or an ad promoting "unlimited and immoderate use" of their product.

Just some average commercials and a whole bunch of pseudo-psychology and conjecture.

Heh


Yep.  Udhq is bullshiat.
 
2013-05-25 07:00:45 AM  
 
2013-05-25 07:04:00 AM  

Mr.Tangent: NSFW language


and boobies.
 
2013-05-25 07:29:25 AM  

udhq: I'll try to argue my case as concisely possible, but you say what I'm expecting of corporations is unreasonable. I couldn't disagree more. I think what you're expecting of individuals, especially those that are targeted by corporations like McDonald's is unreasonable.


Asking people to engage their brains for a few seconds and exercise the tiniest modicum of self-control? Not only is that reasonable and realistic -yes, even in the face of ubiquitous advertising- it would do our society so much good in so myriad ways completely unrelated to this. The marketers would indeed hate it, as it would render our people less susceptible to manipulation through propaganda, but I think that's something everyone outside that industry -even in government, if pitched as a countermeasure to psy-ops- can agree is a good thing.

And we did this, once. Then someone started spreading the meme that it was unreasonable of a society to expect things of its citizens. We see today where that has gotten us. This grand cultural error must be corrected, and stifling speech will do nothing for that.
 
2013-05-25 07:36:48 AM  

The My Little Pony Killer: McDonald's DOES purposely target children. They want to get the branding in early so they can snag lifelong customers.

They don't actually hold a gun to your head and force you to order.


McDonald's doesn't need to target children to get their branding in
 
2013-05-25 07:54:38 AM  
He points to BMI as being a measurement of obesity that can be flawed, and that has skewed the numbers. Other experts too have pointed out that muscular people-- like Pitt and Schwarzenegger, for example -- have BMIs that would put them in the obese category, based on what they weigh in relation to their height. Yet insurance companies mostly use BMI in their calculations of whether the insured person is overweight.
Calorie-counting is another thing that Ernsberger points to as being mostly futile. "You can gain one pound per year by eating 10 extra calories a day - which could be 3 M & Ms, or one sip of soda. Or you could burn 10 calories fewer per day by taking 200 fewer steps."
No one can count calories to within significant degrees of accuracy, he says, so it's rather a pointless practice.
His main point, says Ernsberger, is this: "I'm not saying you can be healthy at any size. I am saying you can improve your health at any size. The relationship between weight and health is not absolute."


http://www.cleveland.com/healthfit/index.ssf/2012/12/is_there_really _a n_obesity_epi.html
 
2013-05-25 08:01:16 AM  
Despite the assertions that obesity is causing our society great harm, however, many scientists and activist groups have disputed the level of danger that it actually poses. Indeed, a recent analysis presented in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) by Katherine Flegal of the CDC and her colleagues calls the severity of the dangers of excess body fat into question, indicating that the number of overweight and obesity-related deaths is actually about 26,000-about one fifteenth the earlier estimate of 400,000 (Flegal et al. 2005).

....

During this campaign, however, there were some notable dissenters. Paul Ernsberger, a professor of nutrition at Case Western Reserve University, has been doing research since the 1980s that led him to assert that obesity is not the cause of ill health but rather the effect of sedentary living and poor nutrition, which are the actual causes. Another prominent researcher, Steven Blair, director of the Cooper Institute of Aerobics Research in Dallas, Texas, has been an author on several studies indicating that the risks associated with obesity can be significantly reduced if one engages in regular physical activity, even if weight loss is not present. According to Blair, weight loss should not be ignored but a greater focus should be placed on physical activity and good nutrition. Both Ernsberger and Blair indicated to me that they thought the new research by Flegal and her colleagues provides a more accurate picture of the mortality risk associated with obesity.
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http://www.csicop.org/si/show/obesity_epidemic_or_myth/
 
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