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2013-05-23 06:38:46 PM
Hmm, the competition on this one is stiff
 
2013-05-23 06:40:22 PM
Tour guides at Disney's Jungle Cruise?

/cruise, indeed.
 
2013-05-23 06:56:27 PM
I vote for this headline.
 
2013-05-23 06:56:49 PM
Better late than never.  Good job, scouts.
 
2013-05-23 06:57:41 PM
Fred Jones can now be a scout?
 
2013-05-23 07:06:37 PM
This one.  Well played.  Honestly, did not expect that, it's a private organization after all so it's entirely their business, but it's good to see some acceptance.
 
2013-05-23 07:29:35 PM
Interesting.

Sign of the times my friends, sign of the times.
 
2013-05-23 07:30:04 PM
Just about everyone who stayed in scouts past junior high was gay anyway.
 
2013-05-23 07:30:45 PM
So, catamite merit badges?
 
2013-05-23 07:31:01 PM
Grumpycatgood.jpg
 
2013-05-23 07:31:07 PM
Good for them.  They're half way there now.
 
2013-05-23 07:31:30 PM
No alec Baldwin and Adam Sandler boy scout pix? Tsk..

/can't post pics from my phone :(
 
2013-05-23 07:32:02 PM

FreetardoRivera: Just about everyone who stayed in scouts past junior high was gay anyway.


Never coming into contact with vagina != gay
 
2013-05-23 07:32:17 PM
childhoodrelived.files.wordpress.com

Mister Furley!?!?!
 
2013-05-23 07:32:33 PM
About friggin' time.
 
2013-05-23 07:33:37 PM
It was done out of politics as opposed to any change of heart, but if it helps people it's worth it.
 
2013-05-23 07:33:59 PM
FTFA:
Austin Ruse, president of the Catholic Family and Human Rights Institute in Washington, D.C., said the shift "would utterly change Scouting and dramatically reduce their ranks. The Catholic and Mormon groups would simply have to walk away."

And another group of bigots with "Family" in their name. Good for the Scouts; it's about damn time.
 
2013-05-23 07:34:31 PM
Good.
 
2013-05-23 07:34:44 PM
I heard "neckerchief" said in Hank Venture's voice.
 
2013-05-23 07:35:05 PM

FormlessOne: About friggin' time.


So very true but I sorta can't believe it actually happened.
/Wow.
 
2013-05-23 07:35:23 PM
Ironically the founder of the Boy Scouts was gay.
 
2013-05-23 07:35:43 PM
vag's? they dont need no stinking vag's.
 
2013-05-23 07:36:09 PM
Great to hear.
 
2013-05-23 07:36:16 PM

Mitt Romneys Tax Return: FTFA:
Austin Ruse, president of the Catholic Family and Human Rights Institute in Washington, D.C., said the shift "would utterly change Scouting and dramatically reduce their ranks. The Catholic and Mormon groups would simply have to walk away."

And another group of bigots with "Family" in their name. Good for the Scouts; it's about damn time.


Not to mention "Human Rights".
 
2013-05-23 07:36:21 PM
That's super!!!
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2013-05-23 07:36:26 PM

nekom: This one.  Well played.  Honestly, did not expect that, it's a private organization after all so it's entirely their business, but it's good to see some acceptance.


Well, except for all the public funds and free use of government facilities, I'd agree with you.

I think the threat of loss of government sponsorship probably had a lot to do with this decision...
 
2013-05-23 07:36:40 PM
Hopefully they'll still be prepared.  Which reminds me of a great Tom Lehrer song... I'll sing it lustily for you...

This one is a little song dedicated to the Boy Scouts of America. [applause] We seem to have a convention here tonight. The Boy Scouts of America, those noble little... bastions of democracy, and the American Legion of tomorrow. Their motto is... I would like to state at this time that I am not now and have never been... a member of the Boy Scouts of America. Their motto is, as you know, Be Prepared! and that is the name of this song.

Be prepared! That's the Boy Scout's marching song,
Be prepared! As through life you march along.
Be prepared to hold your liquor pretty well,
Don't write naughty words on walls if you can't spell.
Be prepared! To hide that pack of cigarettes,
Don't make book if you cannot cover bets.
Keep those reefers hidden where you're sure
That they will not be found
And be careful not to smoke them
When the scoutmaster's around
For he only will insist that it be shared.
Be prepared!
Be prepared! That's the Boy Scouts' solemn creed,
Be prepared! And be clean in word and deed.
Don't solicit for your sister, that's not nice,
Unless you get a good percentage of her price.
Be prepared! And be careful not to do
Your good deeds when there's no one watching you.
If you're looking for adventure of a
new and different kind,
And you come across a Girl Scout who is
similarly inclined,
Don't be nervous, don't be flustered, don't be scared.
Be prepared!
 
2013-05-23 07:36:54 PM

atomic-age: I heard "neckerchief" said in Hank Venture's voice.


I heard it in Kif's voice
 
2013-05-23 07:37:13 PM
first marriage, now scouting.  why the fark do teh gays want to be so miserable?
 
2013-05-23 07:37:26 PM

atomic-age: I heard "neckerchief" said in Hank Venture's voice.


Haha. Same here.
 
2013-05-23 07:37:59 PM
So, are the Boys Scouts still a hate group or does this fix that?
 
2013-05-23 07:38:04 PM
www.naturediscoverycenter.org
 
2013-05-23 07:38:43 PM

Mitt Romneys Tax Return: FTFA:
Austin Ruse, president of the Catholic Family and Human Rights Institute in Washington, D.C., said the shift "would utterly change Scouting and dramatically reduce their ranks. The Catholic and Mormon groups would simply have to walk away."

And another group of bigots with "Family" in their name. Good for the Scouts; it's about damn time.


I'd be OK with the religious groups walking away, they kind of took over for the past couple of decades and screwed things up.

/Former non-gay boy scout
//We had gay kids in my troop, as well as a few others
///Nobody really gave a shiat
 
2013-05-23 07:38:52 PM
Okay for scouts but not scout leaders? Does this mean they're treating it like a mental disease?
 
2013-05-23 07:39:09 PM

TheWhoppah: So, are the Boys Scouts still a hate group or does this fix that?


A lot of scouts attended rallies against the resolution, whether or not they even realized what it was about.  There's likely still a lot of damage that needs repaired yet.
 
2013-05-23 07:39:11 PM
Yay!
 
2013-05-23 07:39:52 PM
They're still a group of bigots. They still say you can't be moral if you're non-religious.

Also, they still say gays aren't suitable to be scout leaders and volunteers --  basically, they're accepting gays into the ranks while telling them how awful they will be as adults.
 
2013-05-23 07:40:21 PM
I'm still confused as to why we care about the sexual orientation of 12-18 year-old boys.

If it's sexual conduct within the troop, well, BSA already runs a program that includes girls (Venturers), so model the general policy after whatever is there.

/Why was this hard?
 
2013-05-23 07:40:25 PM

GoldSpider: TheWhoppah: So, are the Boys Scouts still a hate group or does this fix that?

A lot of scouts attended rallies against the resolution, whether or not they even realized what it was about.  There's likely still a lot of damage that needs repaired yet.


The military survived it with hardly a hiccup - I think the scouts will be just fine.
 
2013-05-23 07:41:03 PM

CommiePuddin: I'm still confused as to why we care about the sexual orientation of 12-18 year-old boys.

If it's sexual conduct within the troop, well, BSA already runs a program that includes girls (Venturers), so model the general policy after whatever is there.

/Why was this hard?


*snert*
 
2013-05-23 07:41:04 PM

buzzcut73: Mitt Romneys Tax Return: FTFA:
Austin Ruse, president of the Catholic Family and Human Rights Institute in Washington, D.C., said the shift "would utterly change Scouting and dramatically reduce their ranks. The Catholic and Mormon groups would simply have to walk away."

And another group of bigots with "Family" in their name. Good for the Scouts; it's about damn time.

I'd be OK with the religious groups walking away, they kind of took over for the past couple of decades and screwed things up.

/Former non-gay boy scout
//We had gay kids in my troop, as well as a few others
///Nobody really gave a shiat


Our troop had a leader that turned out to be gay.  He was ousted once he was "discovered".  Oddly enough, he never messed with any kids, and is generally regarded by everyone who knows him a good guy.
 
2013-05-23 07:41:38 PM
Webelos?

We do now!
 
2013-05-23 07:41:54 PM
So will you still get kicked out if you eat a Brownie?
 
2013-05-23 07:42:07 PM

GoldSpider: Oddly enough, he never messed with any kids, and is generally regarded by everyone who knows him a good guy.


Why is that odd?
 
2013-05-23 07:42:12 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: They're still a group of bigots. They still say you can't be moral if you're non-religious.

Also, they still say gays aren't suitable to be scout leaders and volunteers --  basically, they're accepting gays into the ranks while telling them how awful they will be as adults.


This is first step in the right direction
 
2013-05-23 07:42:36 PM
their clubhouse, their rules.  if they decided to change 'em, then that's their prerogative.
 
2013-05-23 07:43:01 PM

Fark Irony Police: [www.naturediscoverycenter.org image 400x414]


Dude. I did a text search for the word. Nothing. Thought I got in with the joke on time.

But NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
 
2013-05-23 07:43:31 PM
Now we finally know what the double rainbow meant.
 
2013-05-23 07:43:39 PM

Weaver95: their clubhouse, their rules.  if they decided to change 'em, then that's their prerogative.


Except when they get preferential treatment from government organizations. Then it's my clubhouse they're using.
 
2013-05-23 07:44:51 PM
Can we just ban those stupid, tiny fedoras and be done with it?
 
2013-05-23 07:45:16 PM
Just be careful where you pitch your tent son, and sleep on your back.
 
2013-05-23 07:46:28 PM

DarwiOdrade: The military survived it with hardly a hiccup - I think the scouts will be just fine.


The military isn't largely funded by religious organizations either.  I'm more worried about the scouts who have been manipulated in this debate to the conclusion that homosexuality is "wrong".
 
2013-05-23 07:47:12 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: Weaver95: their clubhouse, their rules.  if they decided to change 'em, then that's their prerogative.

Except when they get preferential treatment from government organizations. Then it's my clubhouse they're using.


think of it this way - would you rather the BSA get 'special treatment' or a couple of megacorps?  given the choice, i'm prepared to let things slide for the scouts.
 
2013-05-23 07:47:34 PM
This is excellent news! Gay kids have a tough enough time growing up, having to face abuse from bigots and homophobes (not to mention the parents who sometimes disown them). This kind of peer support can go a long way in making sure they grow up to be decent, well-adjusted human beings.
 
2013-05-23 07:48:41 PM

GoldSpider: DarwiOdrade: The military survived it with hardly a hiccup - I think the scouts will be just fine.

The military isn't largely funded by religious organizations either.  I'm more worried about the scouts who have been manipulated in this debate to the conclusion that homosexuality is "wrong".


Maybe those religious types will pull out before donating their load....of cash.

/couldn't help myself
 
2013-05-23 07:48:50 PM

Fjornir: nekom: This one.  Well played.  Honestly, did not expect that, it's a private organization after all so it's entirely their business, but it's good to see some acceptance.

Well, except for all the public funds and free use of government facilities, I'd agree with you.

I think the threat of loss of government sponsorship probably had a lot to do with this decision...


Perhaps, but even if they're right for the wrong reasons, it's good to see the cause of equality and acceptance advanced.  So I suppose in any case, this news gets two thumbs up from me.
 
2013-05-23 07:49:00 PM
I wonder if the evangelical megachurches will try and force a schism in scouting?  they aren't going to like this news at all.  of course, the evangelicals are more than welcome to found their own private organization that excludes gays from it's ranks...but that will cost quite a lot of money, and well...they ARE prosperity gospel types.
 
2013-05-23 07:49:42 PM

Weaver95: Lenny_da_Hog: Weaver95: their clubhouse, their rules.  if they decided to change 'em, then that's their prerogative.

Except when they get preferential treatment from government organizations. Then it's my clubhouse they're using.

think of it this way - would you rather the BSA get 'special treatment' or a couple of megacorps?  given the choice, i'm prepared to let things slide for the scouts.


Well, think of it this way -- would you like a fundamentalist church to get special treatment or a couple of megacorps? Would you like the KKK to get special treatment, or a couple of megacorps? Would you like Greenpeace to get special treatment or a couple of megacorps?

Any group looks good when you compare it to megacorps!
 
2013-05-23 07:49:50 PM
FABULOUS!
 
2013-05-23 07:50:07 PM
Wait, kakhai shorts are gay?

*Looks in dresser*

shiat...
 
2013-05-23 07:50:24 PM
Good.

Never knew this was even an issue when I was in scouts  a million years ago.  assholes.
 
2013-05-23 07:50:31 PM

WordyGrrl: This kind of peer support can go a long way in making sure they grow up to be decent, well-adjusted human beings.


...which will then be excluded from volunteering or working for BSA because they're immoral homosexuals.
 
2013-05-23 07:50:36 PM
Great another group that is letting in rapists.
 
2013-05-23 07:50:50 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: Weaver95: Lenny_da_Hog: Weaver95: their clubhouse, their rules.  if they decided to change 'em, then that's their prerogative.

Except when they get preferential treatment from government organizations. Then it's my clubhouse they're using.

think of it this way - would you rather the BSA get 'special treatment' or a couple of megacorps?  given the choice, i'm prepared to let things slide for the scouts.

Well, think of it this way -- would you like a fundamentalist church to get special treatment or a couple of megacorps? Would you like the KKK to get special treatment, or a couple of megacorps? Would you like Greenpeace to get special treatment or a couple of megacorps?

Any group looks good when you compare it to megacorps!


what the hell are you talking about...?
 
2013-05-23 07:51:09 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: Weaver95: their clubhouse, their rules.  if they decided to change 'em, then that's their prerogative.

Except when they get preferential treatment from government organizations. Then it's my clubhouse they're using.


Good point.  My first grader came home with a flyer for joining the cub scouts.  His teacher put these into the "Thursday folder" of all the boys in the class.
 
2013-05-23 07:51:29 PM

Weaver95: their clubhouse, their rules.  if they decided to change 'em, then that's their prerogative.


That's why I attended their rally in Mechanicsburg in opposition of the ban.  The change needed to come from within.

Lenny_da_Hog: Except when they get preferential treatment from government organizations. Then it's my clubhouse they're using.


I'm pretty sure the BSA had to forsake any government assistance if they were to be allowed to discriminate.  I could be wrong though.
 
2013-05-23 07:51:48 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: WordyGrrl: This kind of peer support can go a long way in making sure they grow up to be decent, well-adjusted human beings.

...which will then be excluded from volunteering or working for BSA because they're immoral homosexuals.


Right now.  Here is hoping that will change in the near future also.
 
2013-05-23 07:51:56 PM
As an Eagle Scout, I'm getting a kick...

Its just a matter of time before the gay youth are allowed to be gay adults. How can they allow a kid to become the pinnacle of what the BSA stands for and then say "good job, get out"?
 
2013-05-23 07:52:02 PM

buzzcut73: Mitt Romneys Tax Return: FTFA:
Austin Ruse, president of the Catholic Family and Human Rights Institute in Washington, D.C., said the shift "would utterly change Scouting and dramatically reduce their ranks. The Catholic and Mormon groups would simply have to walk away."

And another group of bigots with "Family" in their name. Good for the Scouts; it's about damn time.

I'd be OK with the religious groups walking away, they kind of took over for the past couple of decades and screwed things up.

/Former non-gay boy scout
//We had gay kids in my troop, as well as a few others
///Nobody really gave a shiat


You don't know BS history if you think they just recently took over.  Two things - it started as a military and religious prep organization.
 
2013-05-23 07:52:17 PM

nekom: Fjornir: nekom: This one.  Well played.  Honestly, did not expect that, it's a private organization after all so it's entirely their business, but it's good to see some acceptance.

Well, except for all the public funds and free use of government facilities, I'd agree with you.

I think the threat of loss of government sponsorship probably had a lot to do with this decision...

Perhaps, but even if they're right for the wrong reasons, it's good to see the cause of equality and acceptance advanced.  So I suppose in any case, this news gets two thumbs up from me.


Great news, I'm not trying to say otherwise. I'm just pointing out it isn't "entirely their business".

Given the amount of government support they get it is our business too.
 
2013-05-23 07:52:49 PM

WordyGrrl: This is excellent news! Gay kids have a tough enough time growing up, having to face abuse from bigots and homophobes (not to mention the parents who sometimes disown them). This kind of peer support can go a long way in making sure they grow up to be decent, well-adjusted human beings.


The times they are a'changing.  Hell even when I was a kid in the not so long ago 1980s, people weren't openly gay for the most part.  Now they are, and that's what's driving this.  I'm not gay, but I know gay people.  Beloved family of mine and my wife's happen to be gay.  I'm not alone in that.  When you put a face to it, it takes it from being an abstract concept "Should gays have equal rights?"  into something a lot more personal "Should my uncle, aunt, sister, brother, etc. who happens to be gay have the same rights that I do?"  That, I believe, is what's truly behind this social shift, and I applaud any advances toward full equality, however small the boy scout thing may seem to be.
 
2013-05-23 07:52:52 PM

Weaver95: Lenny_da_Hog: Weaver95: their clubhouse, their rules.  if they decided to change 'em, then that's their prerogative.

Except when they get preferential treatment from government organizations. Then it's my clubhouse they're using.

think of it this way - would you rather the BSA get 'special treatment' or a couple of megacorps?  given the choice, i'm prepared to let things slide for the scouts.


You're smarter than that...It's not a 'either/or' choice.
 
2013-05-23 07:53:25 PM

TheWhoppah: So, are the Boys Scouts still a hate group or does this fix that?


I'm pretty sure the "hating" came from the adults and a bunch of asshole religious leaders. I'd wager the actual scouts had fark-all to do with it.
 
2013-05-23 07:53:30 PM
People would have an issue if the school sent home little adverts for the students to join Hitler Youth so I'm not sure why this is any different.
 
2013-05-23 07:53:31 PM

NaziKamikaze: You don't know BS history if you think they just recently took over. Two things - it started as a military and religious prep organization.


And they allowed racially segregated troops until forced by a lawsuit to stop in 19-freaking-74.
 
2013-05-23 07:53:35 PM

Weaver95: Lenny_da_Hog: Weaver95: their clubhouse, their rules.  if they decided to change 'em, then that's their prerogative.

Except when they get preferential treatment from government organizations. Then it's my clubhouse they're using.

think of it this way - would you rather the BSA get 'special treatment' or a couple of megacorps?  given the choice, i'm prepared to let things slide for the scouts.


Then commit to it. Go all in, man. Take that torch and run with it all the way to Washington, DC. Lead the way already, don't just quibble here.

/hahahaha
//yeah, shiat or get off the pot
///that's what I am really saying Weaver95

*drops mic*
 
2013-05-23 07:54:59 PM

Arachnophobe: GoldSpider: Oddly enough, he never messed with any kids, and is generally regarded by everyone who knows him a good guy.

Why is that odd?


The awesomeness of your two logins aside, this is the core reason why they want to ban gays.  Because in their minds gay = pedo/child predator.
 
2013-05-23 07:55:52 PM
Good job scouts!  Now, let's have a Photoshop contest on new merit badges that can be earned.

/Eagle Scout
 
2013-05-23 07:56:35 PM

Weaver95: what the hell are you talking about...?


Why do the Boy Scouts deserve special access to government assets only when you compare them to megacorporations?
 
2013-05-23 07:57:11 PM
what was the Fabulous tag getting its hurs did?
 
2013-05-23 07:57:28 PM

TheWhoppah: People would have an issue if the school sent home little adverts for the students to join Hitler Youth so I'm not sure why this is any different.


Asshole teach.  All that moron knows about the scouts is that they do community service and go on camping trips.  Stupid biatch trying to make my kid into some little Nazi.
 
2013-05-23 07:57:59 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: They're still a group of bigots. They still say you can't be moral if you're non-religious.

Also, they still say gays aren't suitable to be scout leaders and volunteers --  basically, they're accepting gays into the ranks while telling them how awful they will be as adults.


They're a semi-religious organization so yeah no duh they're going to say atheists are immoral; probably never changing that one
As for the 2nd part, if the non-African based Anglicans get more influence then that's probably out the window too
 
2013-05-23 07:58:28 PM

NaziKamikaze: Because in their minds gay = pedo/child predator


You skipped a step. Their logic works like this like this: kinky -> bi -> gay = pervert = pedo/child predator
 
2013-05-23 07:59:42 PM
Congrats for destroying another institution of American culture.
Might as well get rid of the Boy Scout oath while you are at it.

On my honor, I will do my best
To do my duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law;
To help other people at all times;
To keep myself physically strong, mentally awake and morally straight.


How the hell can you do your duty to God, and be morally straight, if they accept
homosexuals?
 
2013-05-23 08:00:44 PM
I will keep posting this in these threads until someone finds it to be as funny as I do.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-05-23 08:00:55 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-05-23 08:01:16 PM

GoldSpider: Weaver95: their clubhouse, their rules.  if they decided to change 'em, then that's their prerogative.

That's why I attended their rally in Mechanicsburg in opposition of the ban.  The change needed to come from within.

Lenny_da_Hog: Except when they get preferential treatment from government organizations. Then it's my clubhouse they're using.

I'm pretty sure the BSA had to forsake any government assistance if they were to be allowed to discriminate.  I could be wrong though.


They got special dispensation from the Bush administration to continue to use army bases for their jamborees, for example, after several states started saying "no" because of their prejudice.
 
2013-05-23 08:01:40 PM

Weaver95: I wonder if the evangelical megachurches will try and force a schism in scouting?  they aren't going to like this news at all.  of course, the evangelicals are more than welcome to found their own private organization that excludes gays from it's ranks...but that will cost quite a lot of money, and well...they ARE prosperity gospel types.


A couple of them already exist.
 
2013-05-23 08:01:41 PM

p51d007: Congrats for destroying another institution of American culture.


Yeah, I k new this would happen once we got rid of Jim Crow.

p51d007: How the hell can you do your duty to God, and be morally straight, if they accept
homosexuals?


It makes more sense if you aren't hung up on bronze-age morality.
 
2013-05-23 08:03:08 PM
Wait, how is a scout supposed to remain morally straight now?

This is an OUTRAGE!
 
2013-05-23 08:04:05 PM
HOTY candidate.
 
2013-05-23 08:04:05 PM
The ban on gays was only 22 years old?  Huh.
 
2013-05-23 08:05:18 PM

TheWhoppah: People would have an issue if the school sent home little adverts for the students to join Hitler Youth so I'm not sure why this is any different.


You do know Hitler Youth was patterned after Scouts?  Hitler so admired BP.s methods he plagiarized almost the whole system, then added a lot Fatherland mythology.  I was touring the Anne Frank museum in Atlanta and was immediately struck by the HY display (which really was well done).
 
2013-05-23 08:05:53 PM

NaziKamikaze: Arachnophobe: GoldSpider: Oddly enough, he never messed with any kids, and is generally regarded by everyone who knows him a good guy.

Why is that odd?

The awesomeness of your two logins aside, this is the core reason why they want to ban gays.  Because in their minds gay = pedo/child predator.


Eh...

Would you put a straight man in charge of a bunch of 16 and 17 year old girls, out in the woods?

If something inappropriate happened, would that be because he's a "pedophile" or because grown men have been known to be kinda flexible about the age of majority, when the opportunity is there.

/difficulty: I think the ban is moronic.
//double difficulty: also not a troll
 
2013-05-23 08:05:56 PM
Aren't scouts 12 years old or something? How many "openly gay" 12 year olds are there? Can't remember any at my school.
 
2013-05-23 08:07:20 PM

NaziKamikaze: Wait, how is a scout supposed to remain morally straight now?

This is an OUTRAGE!


I never understood that. I had always considered that phrase to mean you behaved morally as opposed to being morally crooked.
 
2013-05-23 08:07:27 PM

brapbrapbrap: Aren't scouts 12 years old or something?

 
2013-05-23 08:07:55 PM

brapbrapbrap: Aren't scouts 12 years old or something? How many "openly gay" 12 year olds are there? Can't remember any at my school.


It's more about the 17-year-olds who were getting thrown out.
 
2013-05-23 08:08:05 PM

bdub77: brapbrapbrap: Aren't scouts 12 years old or something?


image fail: too old.jpg
 
2013-05-23 08:08:41 PM

brapbrapbrap: Aren't scouts 12 years old or something? How many "openly gay" 12 year olds are there? Can't remember any at my school.


Scouts are up to 18 aren't they?
 
2013-05-23 08:08:49 PM
When I was a scout I didn't even know what gay was.

Sheltered life.
 
2013-05-23 08:08:52 PM

Gordon Bennett: I will keep posting this in these threads until someone finds it to be as funny as I do.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 240x372]



Ha! Took me a minute.

Somewhere, some "Totally straight", married with children, Scoutmaster is licking his chops, and laughing at the irony of BSA continuing to discriminate against openly gay scout leaders.

/Seriously though, statistics say it's this ^ type of predator that they need to watch out for.  Dumbasses.
 
2013-05-23 08:09:42 PM

Weaver95: I wonder if the evangelical megachurches will try and force a schism in scouting?  they aren't going to like this news at all.  of course, the evangelicals are more than welcome to found their own private organization that excludes gays from it's ranks...but that will cost quite a lot of money, and well...they ARE prosperity gospel types.


They already have it. Its called awana .  http://awana.org/about/about-awana,default,pg.html
 
2013-05-23 08:09:54 PM

Weaver95: I wonder if the evangelical megachurches will try and force a schism in scouting?  they aren't going to like this news at all.  of course, the evangelicals are more than welcome to found their own private organization that excludes gays from it's ranks...but that will cost quite a lot of money, and well...they ARE prosperity gospel types.


If I recall correctly, the vast majority of the religious chartering organizations are either Mormon, Catholic or Mainline Protestant.  The LDS has publicly OK'd the new rule, the Catholic Church doesn't seem to have any public position whatsoever and Mainline Protestantism is mostly either supportive or at least indifferent on gay rights stuff.  If a few religious firebrands want to voluntarily remove themselves from the organization, all the better I say.
 
2013-05-23 08:10:16 PM

Weaver95: their clubhouse, their rules.  if they decided to change 'em, then that's their prerogative.


ionetheurbandaily.files.wordpress.com

Agrees with prerogatives.
 
2013-05-23 08:11:03 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: brapbrapbrap: Aren't scouts 12 years old or something? How many "openly gay" 12 year olds are there? Can't remember any at my school.

It's more about the 17-year-olds who were getting thrown out.


I thought Cocksucking was like the last badge you earned before becoming an Eagle Scout.
 
2013-05-23 08:12:48 PM
It's a good start.  Now let's make sure atheists won't be kicked out, too.

/So glad that the Girl Scouts don't give a damn about your sexuality or faith.
 
2013-05-23 08:13:08 PM
 
2013-05-23 08:13:19 PM

p51d007: Congrats for destroying another institution of American culture.
Might as well get rid of the Boy Scout oath while you are at it.

On my honor, I will do my best
To do my duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law;
To help other people at all times;
To keep myself physically strong, mentally awake and morally straight.

How the hell can you do your duty to God, and be morally straight, if they accept
homosexuals?


Which god ?  and morally straight means being a good person, it has nothing to do with sexuallity
 
2013-05-23 08:13:37 PM

Another Government Employee: Weaver95: I wonder if the evangelical megachurches will try and force a schism in scouting?  they aren't going to like this news at all.  of course, the evangelicals are more than welcome to found their own private organization that excludes gays from it's ranks...but that will cost quite a lot of money, and well...they ARE prosperity gospel types.

A couple of them already exist.


Happened to the Girl Scouts when they chose to let each girl define what "god" meant to her when saying the oath, essentially changing the requirement to profess a belief in god.

The Catholics also protested when a GS rep was on the same panel as Planned Parenthood rep at a conference on empowering girls.

If I recall correctly, its the Heritage Girls or something similar.
 
2013-05-23 08:14:20 PM

TheWhoppah: So, are the Boys Scouts still a hate group or does this fix that?


Completely. It's still completely legal, moral, and acceptable to hate atheists.

/when I was scout, "gay" was just another generic insult boys shouted at each other
 
2013-05-23 08:15:21 PM

Mitt Romneys Tax Return: FTFA:
Austin Ruse, president of the Catholic Family and Human Rights Institute in Washington, D.C., said the shift "would utterly change Scouting and dramatically reduce their ranks. The Catholic and Mormon groups would simply have to walk away."

And another group of bigots with "Family" in their name. Good for the Scouts; it's about damn time.



And without the Jesus-Bunch; perhaps the kids will, you know, have FUN. I've been to camp (not a Scout) and I can tell you: praying is NOT fun for a kid. Unless they're brainwashed.
 
2013-05-23 08:15:49 PM

nekom: Honestly, did not expect that, it's a private organization after all so it's entirely their business


What about that congressional charter banning rival scout (and guide) organisations?
 
2013-05-23 08:16:47 PM

loser0: TheWhoppah: So, are the Boys Scouts still a hate group or does this fix that?

Completely. It's still completely legal, moral, and acceptable to hate atheists  and agnostics.


They don't care which religion you believe, as long as you don't question. Kind of like Alcoholics Anonymous.
 
2013-05-23 08:17:02 PM

bdub77: Lenny_da_Hog: brapbrapbrap: 

I thought Cocksucking was like the last badge you earned before becoming an Eagle Scout.


That's toooooo funny.
 
2013-05-23 08:17:24 PM
Woo hoo! butt secks on the next camping trip
 
2013-05-23 08:18:01 PM
So now they'll have to learn to untie balloon knots to get a badge?
 
2013-05-23 08:18:24 PM

alienated: Weaver95: I wonder if the evangelical megachurches will try and force a schism in scouting?  they aren't going to like this news at all.  of course, the evangelicals are more than welcome to found their own private organization that excludes gays from it's ranks...but that will cost quite a lot of money, and well...they ARE prosperity gospel types.

They already have it. Its called awana .  http://awana.org/about/about-awana,default,pg.html


I was gonna say - these assholes have to rewrite their own goddamn Bible to fit their ideology, of COURSE they'll make a sanitized version of the Scouts.
 
2013-05-23 08:19:42 PM

Bumblefark: NaziKamikaze: Arachnophobe: GoldSpider: Oddly enough, he never messed with any kids, and is generally regarded by everyone who knows him a good guy.

Why is that odd?

The awesomeness of your two logins aside, this is the core reason why they want to ban gays.  Because in their minds gay = pedo/child predator.

Eh...

Would you put a straight man in charge of a bunch of 16 and 17 year old girls, out in the woods?

If something inappropriate happened, would that be because he's a "pedophile" or because grown men have been known to be kinda flexible about the age of majority, when the opportunity is there.

/difficulty: I think the ban is moronic.
//double difficulty: also not a troll


Which is why a woman must accompany a Venture Crew on a event.
 
2013-05-23 08:20:51 PM

Combustion: Mitt Romneys Tax Return: FTFA:
Austin Ruse, president of the Catholic Family and Human Rights Institute in Washington, D.C., said the shift "would utterly change Scouting and dramatically reduce their ranks. The Catholic and Mormon groups would simply have to walk away."

And another group of bigots with "Family" in their name. Good for the Scouts; it's about damn time.


And without the Jesus-Bunch; perhaps the kids will, you know, have FUN. I've been to camp (not a Scout) and I can tell you: praying is NOT fun for a kid. Unless they're brainwashed.


Sort of fun - my son just bridged from Wolf to Bear last weekend, and is totally bummed that demolitions isn't in the book this year either.
 
2013-05-23 08:21:18 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: loser0: TheWhoppah: So, are the Boys Scouts still a hate group or does this fix that?

Completely. It's still completely legal, moral, and acceptable to hate atheists  and agnostics.

They don't care which religion you believe, as long as you don't question. Kind of like Alcoholics Anonymous.


Scouts in RI must be alot different than other places.
 
2013-05-23 08:21:27 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: and agnostics.

They don't care which religion you believe, as long as you don't question. Kind of like Alcoholics Anonymous.


Good point. But it's more like "which religion you say you believe", since the "honest" part doesn't actually apply here.
 
2013-05-23 08:21:32 PM

p51d007: How the hell can you do your duty to God, and be morally straight, if they accept
homosexuals menstruating women?


Leviticised that for you.
 
2013-05-23 08:23:08 PM
This is good news. Not as good as it could've been, but still good.

When I was a Girl Scout, we made a point not to date Boy Scouts because the anti-gay ruling meant that any gay guys in there would, by default, be closeted and therefore more likely to leave you for your hot brother. 4H and FFA boys from the next county, however, were either "Yeah, I'm gay, and my truck's bigger'n your old man's, so fark off," baby-bear types or "Well, I think Mark, Rick and Steve're gay, but Ah lak girls, mahself." At least there you knew where you were with them.

/that, and FFA boys didn't have a whole damn outfit and a faaaabulous Victorinox knife they were afraid to use because it cost $200.
//just jeans, plaid shirts and a plain ol' Gerber multitool that could open the champagne, the condom box and your back door after your curfew-Nazi parents forgot and locked you out.
///rowr!
 
2013-05-23 08:24:30 PM

SpiderQueenDemon: and your back door


Kinky!!
 
2013-05-23 08:26:32 PM

Gunny Highway: Lenny_da_Hog: loser0: TheWhoppah: So, are the Boys Scouts still a hate group or does this fix that?

Completely. It's still completely legal, moral, and acceptable to hate atheists  and agnostics.

They don't care which religion you believe, as long as you don't question. Kind of like Alcoholics Anonymous.

Scouts in RI must be alot different than other places.


Then they don't follow the national BSA bylaws.

Section 1. Declaration of Religious Principle, clause 1. The Boy Scouts of America maintains that no member can grow into the best kind of citizen without recognizing an obligation to God. In the first part of the Scout Oath or Promise the member declares, "On my honor I will do my best to do my duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law." The recognition of God as the ruling and leading power in the universe and the grateful acknowledgment of His favors and blessings are necessary to the best type of citizenship and are wholesome precepts in the education of the growing members. No matter what the religious faith of the members may be, this fundamental need of good citizenship should be kept before them. The Boy Scouts of America, therefore, recognizes the religious element in the training of the member, but it is absolutely nonsectarian in its attitude toward that religious training. Its policy is that the home and the organization or group with which the member is connected shall give definite attention to religious life.
 
2013-05-23 08:26:51 PM

KangTheMad: Hmm, the competition on this one is stiff


Freeper thread for your amusement.

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/ 3023193/posts
 
2013-05-23 08:33:31 PM

UNC_Samurai: alienated: Weaver95: I wonder if the evangelical megachurches will try and force a schism in scouting?  they aren't going to like this news at all.  of course, the evangelicals are more than welcome to found their own private organization that excludes gays from it's ranks...but that will cost quite a lot of money, and well...they ARE prosperity gospel types.

They already have it. Its called awana .  http://awana.org/about/about-awana,default,pg.html

I was gonna say - these assholes have to rewrite their own goddamn Bible to fit their ideology, of COURSE they'll make a sanitized version of the Scouts.


They already have some Bible-based version of the Girl Scouts. I have no doubt there will be a Boy Scout model to follow:
http://www.thoughtsfromaconservativemom.com/2011/02/american-heritag e- girls-provides-conservative-alternative-to-girl-scouts-fb/

Never mind that kids don't give a fark about your politics or your fundamentalist religion or your hate for teh gays. They just want to do some fun outdoor stuff and learn some cool skills.

Fundie parents are such controlling assholes.  :(
 
2013-05-23 08:39:14 PM
The historic vote, with 60% in favor, signals another shift in American public opinion about homosexuality but still leaves the organization with many future hurdles.

The hurdles get smaller to the future.

a.imageshack.us


Kisses, gang.
ib2.huluim.com
 
2013-05-23 08:39:34 PM
ts2.mm.bing.net
Its an Ascot.
 
2013-05-23 08:41:19 PM
Good.
 
Skr
2013-05-23 08:43:29 PM
Scouting was a great experience for me as a kid. the adults never pressed any religious aspect and just impressed on us the need to respect nature and people alike. The group a year ahead of me was basically holding the troop together, so when they left it collapsed. great times were had though. exploring, camping, hiking, and general chilling out
 
2013-05-23 08:43:38 PM

abb3w: The historic vote, with 60% in favor, signals another shift in American public opinion about homosexuality but still leaves the organization with many future hurdles.

The hurdles get smaller to the future.

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Kisses, gang.
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Yep, and those who stand in the way, well... history will remember them about like this:
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-05-23 08:43:38 PM
Way to half-ass it BSA.
 
2013-05-23 08:46:42 PM
As an Eagle Scout, I'm honestly pleasantly shocked. I never thought they'd actually repeal the ban. The Boy Scouts are a fairly conservatively run organization but I guess even they saw the writing on the wall and realized how stupid it was to keep people out of what is otherwise a decent organization just because they're gay.

Now they just have to turn over the ban for gay scoutmasters/den mothers. But it's one step at a time.
 
2013-05-23 08:48:42 PM
I cannot believe they would justify the ban on openly gay members because their oath includes the two words 'morally' and 'straight' next to each other. That's a really queer way of looking at it.
 
2013-05-23 08:48:54 PM
I'm glad the BSA has opened the door to gays. The next step will be to drop the ban on gay adult leaders which will happen eventually. The old bullshiat prejudice that gay=pedophile is just not prevalent with younger generations.

\Eagle Scout
 
2013-05-23 08:51:09 PM

Infobahn: Way to half-ass it BSA.


Pretty much this. And extra bullshiat points for saying something as stupid as:

The Boy Scouts of America will not sacrifice its mission, or the youth served by the movement, by allowing the organization to be consumed by a single, divisive, and unresolved societal issue

Nah. It was resolved. Homophobes are cretins. It was decided a while back. Sorry you missed the memo.
 
2013-05-23 08:54:21 PM

Arachnophobe: GoldSpider: Oddly enough, he never messed with any kids, and is generally regarded by everyone who knows him a good guy.

Why is that odd?


Because of they gehy?  Amiright?
 
2013-05-23 08:55:19 PM
Soon to be the much smaller "Gay Scouts"
 
2013-05-23 08:57:26 PM

max_pooper: I'm glad the BSA has opened the door to gays. The next step will be to drop the ban on gay adult leaders which will happen eventually. The old bullshiat prejudice that gay=pedophile is just not prevalent with younger generations.

\Eagle Scout


That and they pretty much lost the moral high ground regarding pedophilia after this:

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-scouts-molest-story,0,313001 6. htmlstory
 
2013-05-23 09:00:29 PM

Skr: Scouting was a great experience for me as a kid. the adults never pressed any religious aspect and just impressed on us the need to respect nature and people alike. The group a year ahead of me was basically holding the troop together, so when they left it collapsed. great times were had though. exploring, camping, hiking, and general chilling out


Yup. Same here.
 
2013-05-23 09:04:34 PM
The best part is that they decided this at the Gaylord Texan.
 
2013-05-23 09:05:06 PM
I'm not the only one that thinks that this isn't about equality but about sponsorship money yes?
 
2013-05-23 09:08:08 PM
It's a start.
 
2013-05-23 09:08:46 PM
Progress is good.
 
2013-05-23 09:09:24 PM
mysite.verizon.net
 
2013-05-23 09:17:52 PM

orbister: nekom: Honestly, did not expect that, it's a private organization after all so it's entirely their business

What about that congressional charter banning rival scout (and guide) organisations?


Doesn't do so.  The U. S. does have alternatives to BSA.  Here's one:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navigators_USA
 
2013-05-23 09:18:01 PM
graphics8.nytimes.com

Some of them dig chicks.
 
2013-05-23 09:19:37 PM

Flragnararch: I'm not the only one that thinks that this isn't about equality but about sponsorship money yes?


I really think they're trying to cover their ass after they covered up decades of sexual abuse by Scoutmasters.

One of the main reasons they didn't want gays in the scouts according to them was to protect them from pedophiles but when that story leaked by the LA Times, that talking point went up in smoke.
 
2013-05-23 09:21:08 PM

Mad_Radhu: So will you still get kicked out if you eat a Brownie?



I giggled.
 
2013-05-23 09:26:24 PM
Well, as a former Scout, I am happy to see them take a step in the right direction.
 
2013-05-23 09:46:58 PM
Lame, now you'll be able to hear them farking instead of just suspect it.

Hey guys, you wanna go to the lake tommor... Oh, sorry, I'll, just, talk to you in the morning.

Also, now they'll have to deal with rape and consent issues, instead of, you know, teaching outdoor survival and functional skills.

Not that I'm against openly gay scouts really, but it opens up a whole nother level (which is irrelevant to their mission)..

So yay i guess, except not having sex is sort of a thing, especially when cultivating a non abusive sense of fraternity which involves children...

On the fence, don't want persecution, but outright acceptance and "sensitivity training" sort of kills the institution, maybe that's the point?

Keep in mind, i dropped out of the scouts because they wanted me to take an oath to God (am an athiest who in many cases philosophically aligns with predominant peaceful Christian(most religions in general) theology), if i had stayed in i would have attained eagle and probably carried on..

Definitely a mixed bag, this is not a victory for anyone.
 
2013-05-23 09:48:39 PM
 
2013-05-23 09:50:43 PM
In a world where you can get your head cut off on a public street by an fundie, where you stick your penis should be of a low concern.

/Eagle Scout
 
2013-05-23 09:54:26 PM

wildsnowllama: brapbrapbrap: Aren't scouts 12 years old or something? How many "openly gay" 12 year olds are there? Can't remember any at my school.

Scouts are up to 18 aren't they?


Yup. Had my Eagle board of review on my 18th Birthday. Project hit a few obstacles and kept getting delayed, but I wanted to finish and was essentially a junior assistant scoutmaster (which is usually what eagles who want to stay involved do) in all but name the last few years, so it stayed interesting.

Also, as an Eagle, about farking time they made some progress. Now let's get this stupid gay people= pedophiles thing out of the organization's collective head and go all the way.

Oh, and subby, the shorts are olive, not khaki. Only the shirts are khaki. And neckerchiefs are a troop by troop thing. Apart from the national jamboree and rare special occasions, I never wore one.
 
2013-05-23 09:58:37 PM
Does the NFL accept openly left-handed players?

/ Being gay is normal.  It's just not common.
 
2013-05-23 10:00:03 PM
Not good enough.  They try to do the right thing and they still fail.
 
2013-05-23 10:03:07 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: They're still a group of bigots. They still say you can't be moral if you're non-religious.

Also, they still say gays aren't suitable to be scout leaders and volunteers --  basically, they're accepting gays into the ranks while telling them how awful they will be as adults.


What type of a message does it send to gay teens to tell them that it is OK for them to be a scout but once they hit 18 they can no longer be a part of the organization?
 
2013-05-23 10:08:07 PM

GoldSpider: Weaver95: their clubhouse, their rules.  if they decided to change 'em, then that's their prerogative.

That's why I attended their rally in Mechanicsburg in opposition of the ban.  The change needed to come from within.

Lenny_da_Hog: Except when they get preferential treatment from government organizations. Then it's my clubhouse they're using.

I'm pretty sure the BSA had to forsake any government assistance if they were to be allowed to discriminate.  I could be wrong though.


Nope.  They still had preferential treatment from the government, especially in the use of their military base at For A.P. Hill for their National Jamboree.
 
2013-05-23 10:10:19 PM

p51d007: Congrats for destroying another institution of American culture.
Might as well get rid of the Boy Scout oath while you are at it.

On my honor, I will do my best
To do my duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law;
To help other people at all times;
To keep myself physically strong, mentally awake and morally straight.

How the hell can you do your duty to God, and be morally straight, if they accept
homosexuals?


Can you please quote where it says that it is wrong to be gay?
 
2013-05-23 10:20:54 PM

FreetardoRivera: Just about everyone who stayed in scouts past junior high was gay anyway.


I had some friends in high school who used boy scouts as an excuse to go camping, get drunk, and smoke some pot in the woods.  Doesn't sound like the worse way to spend a weekend in high school.
 
2013-05-23 10:21:00 PM

orbister: p51d007: How the hell can you do your duty to God, and be morally straight, if they accept
homosexuals menstruating women?

Leviticised that for you.


You know, after being around menstruating women most of my life, I developed a real appreciation for the Levitical approach of kicking them the hell out of town during that time.

/as well as a week before
//maybe Moses was on to something
 
2013-05-23 10:22:22 PM

studebaker hoch: Does the NFL accept openly left-handed players?

/ Being gay is normal.  It's just not common.


Left-handed QBs just look weird when they play.
 
2013-05-23 10:22:41 PM

Mock26: GoldSpider: Weaver95: their clubhouse, their rules.  if they decided to change 'em, then that's their prerogative.

That's why I attended their rally in Mechanicsburg in opposition of the ban.  The change needed to come from within.

Lenny_da_Hog: Except when they get preferential treatment from government organizations. Then it's my clubhouse they're using.

I'm pretty sure the BSA had to forsake any government assistance if they were to be allowed to discriminate.  I could be wrong though.

Nope.  They still had preferential treatment from the government, especially in the use of their military base at For A.P. Hill for their National Jamboree.


Using government owned land is not what I would considered preferential treatment. All sorts of organizations use public lands to have events and they are all free to descriminate all they want.

How many descriminatory religious organizations have hosted events on the National Mall?
 
2013-05-23 10:29:16 PM

max_pooper: Mock26: GoldSpider: Weaver95: their clubhouse, their rules.  if they decided to change 'em, then that's their prerogative.

That's why I attended their rally in Mechanicsburg in opposition of the ban.  The change needed to come from within.

Lenny_da_Hog: Except when they get preferential treatment from government organizations. Then it's my clubhouse they're using.

I'm pretty sure the BSA had to forsake any government assistance if they were to be allowed to discriminate.  I could be wrong though.

Nope.  They still had preferential treatment from the government, especially in the use of their military base at For A.P. Hill for their National Jamboree.

Using government owned land is not what I would considered preferential treatment. All sorts of organizations use public lands to have events and they are all free to descriminate all they want.

How many descriminatory religious organizations have hosted events on the National Mall?


Million Man March?
 
2013-05-23 10:30:16 PM

Lor M. Ipsum: FreetardoRivera: Just about everyone who stayed in scouts past junior high was gay anyway.

I had some friends in high school who used boy scouts as an excuse to go camping, get drunk, and smoke some pot in the woods.  Doesn't sound like the worse way to spend a weekend in high school.


Yup. I got my Eagle Scout award when I was 13. At 15, I went to the world scout jamboree in Holland where we smoked alot of pot. We spent a week in London first where we drank alot of booze. Sneaking weed and alcohol on camping trips was common.

I stayed active in scouts throughout high school. I got to go to the previously mentioned world jamboree, national jamboree, two trips to the Chalres Sumner Canoe base and three trips to Philmont. I also got involved with adventure scouts because well... girls!!!
 
2013-05-23 10:43:55 PM

max_pooper: Using government owned land is not what I would considered preferential treatment. All sorts of organizations use public lands to have events and they are all free to descriminate all they want.


Nice and all, but we were talking about exclusive access. Special rights, not equal rights, that sort of thing.

Other groups can't apply for and use military bases for camp-outs. The Boy Scouts in many parts of the country did/do get special access to schools for recruiting purposes, or were permitted to use the schools as meeting places when other groups weren't allowed to do the same under the same terms/conditions.

Lots of cities and states limit use of public buildings and other facilities to groups that don't discriminate. Federal laws enacted through the Dept. of Education, DOD, and HUD make it illegal to limit BSA's use of public assets for those reasons. One prejudicial group can't use the building -- another (the BSA) can.

Special rights.
 
2013-05-23 10:45:24 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: max_pooper: Using government owned land is not what I would considered preferential treatment. All sorts of organizations use public lands to have events and they are all free to descriminate all they want.

Nice and all, but we were talking about exclusive access. Special rights, not equal rights, that sort of thing.

Other groups can't apply for and use military bases for camp-outs. The Boy Scouts in many parts of the country did/do get special access to schools for recruiting purposes, or were permitted to use the schools as meeting places when other groups weren't allowed to do the same under the same terms/conditions.

Lots of cities and states limit use of public buildings and other facilities to groups that don't discriminate. Federal laws enacted through the Dept. of Education, DOD, and HUD make it illegal to limit BSA's use of public assets for those reasons. One prejudicial group can't use the building -- another (the BSA) can.

Special rights.


Bullshiat
 
2013-05-23 10:46:56 PM

Mock26: Can you please quote where it says that it is wrong to be gay?


something something, it has to be the christian god something, my own sect's interpretation of the bible something can't be gay and moral something
 
2013-05-23 10:47:31 PM

God-is-a-Taco: It was done out of politics as opposed to any change of heart, but if it helps people it's worth it.


Given it went to a vote that split out 38% to 60% with 2% not responding, and (inside knowledge) knowing that most resolution votes usually split no wider than 53/47, this isn't just a landslide, it's more than a mandate, it's about as unanimous as things get at the national level.  On  almost every issue, National tends to be like the Neutral Planet:  No strong feelings one way or another.   The even bigger surprise to me was that it came pretty close to the same breakdown the Washington Post had when they posed the same question to members of the general public.
 
2013-05-23 10:50:19 PM

Walker: Ironically the founder of the Boy Scouts was gay.


It was the Victorian era.  There wasn't really a taboo against homosexuality at that point, that was more of a 20th-century thing for the most part.  But, being the Victorian era, you were "out of the closet" if you acknowledged having sexual urges...
 
2013-05-23 10:51:17 PM
"On my honor I will do my best .... to keep myself physically strong, mentally alert and morally straight." I don't understand...why is gaydom not moral?
 
2013-05-23 10:55:05 PM

Rodeodoc: Hopefully they'll still be prepared.  Which reminds me of a great Tom Lehrer song... I'll sing it lustily for you...

This one is a little song dedicated to the Boy Scouts of America. [applause] We seem to have a convention here tonight. The Boy Scouts of America, those noble little... bastions of democracy, and the American Legion of tomorrow. Their motto is... I would like to state at this time that I am not now and have never been... a member of the Boy Scouts of America. Their motto is, as you know, Be Prepared! and that is the name of this song.

Be prepared! That's the Boy Scout's marching song,
Be prepared! As through life you march along.
Be prepared to hold your liquor pretty well,
Don't write naughty words on walls if you can't spell.
Be prepared! To hide that pack of cigarettes,
Don't make book if you cannot cover bets.
Keep those reefers hidden where you're sure
That they will not be found
And be careful not to smoke them
When the scoutmaster's around
For he only will insist that it be shared.
Be prepared!
Be prepared! That's the Boy Scouts' solemn creed,
Be prepared! And be clean in word and deed.
Don't solicit for your sister, that's not nice,
Unless you get a good percentage of her price.
Be prepared! And be careful not to do
Your good deeds when there's no one watching you.
If you're looking for adventure of a
new and different kind,
And you come across a Girl Scout who is
similarly inclined,
Don't be nervous, don't be flustered, don't be scared.
Be prepared!


Heh, didn't realize that was actually a Tom Lehrer.  Thought it was a regional running gag.
 
2013-05-23 10:55:15 PM

max_pooper: Bullshiat


Yeah. All that litigation over the years was completely fiction. I created the two Wiki articles on the federal laws expressly protecting the BSA just to mess with your head. You caught me.
 
2013-05-23 10:55:47 PM

Weaver95: think of it this way - would you rather the BSA get 'special treatment' or a couple of megacorps? given the choice, i'm prepared to let things slide for the scouts.


Is Chick-fil-a one of the megacorps?
 
2013-05-23 11:00:28 PM

netweavr: Okay for scouts but not scout leaders? Does this mean they're treating it like a mental disease?


More like race.  It took the Scouts nine years to go from allowing colored Scouts before they allowed colored Scouters.
 
2013-05-23 11:00:44 PM

brapbrapbrap: Aren't scouts 12 years old or something? How many "openly gay" 12 year olds are there? Can't remember any at my school.


A lot of kids know they're lobtq before they're 12.  I did.  Now, OPENLY gay is another question, as I also knew long before I turned12 that I had to hide my sexual orientation or get into trouble for it.
 
2013-05-23 11:01:18 PM

max_pooper: Lenny_da_Hog: max_pooper: Using government owned land is not what I would considered preferential treatment. All sorts of organizations use public lands to have events and they are all free to descriminate all they want.

Nice and all, but we were talking about exclusive access. Special rights, not equal rights, that sort of thing.

Other groups can't apply for and use military bases for camp-outs. The Boy Scouts in many parts of the country did/do get special access to schools for recruiting purposes, or were permitted to use the schools as meeting places when other groups weren't allowed to do the same under the same terms/conditions.

Lots of cities and states limit use of public buildings and other facilities to groups that don't discriminate. Federal laws enacted through the Dept. of Education, DOD, and HUD make it illegal to limit BSA's use of public assets for those reasons. One prejudicial group can't use the building -- another (the BSA) can.

Special rights.

Bullshiat


You have confused baseless dismissal of a fact supported with citations with an actual refutation. The former, which you have issued, is not logically equivalent to the latter, which you have not.
 
2013-05-23 11:05:36 PM

DarwiOdrade: Maybe those religious types will pull out before donating their load....of cash.


And if they want to do that, then all I have to say is, "Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out."  Enough people see the value in Scouting a lot of sponsors that left in the 90's would be happy to come back now that the Scouts are wading into the 21st century.
 
2013-05-23 11:06:13 PM

knowless: So yay i guess, except not having sex is sort of a thing, especially when cultivating a non abusive sense of fraternity which involves children...

On the fence, don't want persecution, but outright acceptance and "sensitivity training" sort of kills the institution, maybe that's the point?

Keep in mind, i dropped out of the scouts because they wanted me to take an oath to God (am an athiest who in many cases philosophically aligns with predominant peaceful Christian(most religions in general) theology), if i had stayed in i would have attained eagle and probably carried on..


So either you're trolling, or you are both an atheist and a homophobe.  Either way you are one weird farker.
 
2013-05-23 11:08:00 PM

Mock26: Not good enough.  They try to do the right thing and they still fail.


But they've started the race.  The finish line is not yet crossed, but it will happen.  At most a generation, probably much less time.

/Change scares them
//Baby steps
 
2013-05-23 11:21:40 PM
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2013-05-23 11:22:30 PM

Fjornir: nekom: This one.  Well played.  Honestly, did not expect that, it's a private organization after all so it's entirely their business, but it's good to see some acceptance.

Well, except for all the public funds and free use of government facilities, I'd agree with you.

I think the threat of loss of government sponsorship probably had a lot to do with this decision...


BSA doesn't use public funds, and as far as I know they never have.  Also, although they have used government facilities in the past, by and large they no longer have that option, which is why pretty much every scout troop today is chartered by a church or occasionally an Elks lodge or some such.  They have no "government sponsorship", though I agree that part of their reasoning on this decision is the wish to regain access to city part meeting halls, schools auditoriums, that sort of thing.
 
2013-05-23 11:23:13 PM

Fjornir: nekom: This one.  Well played.  Honestly, did not expect that, it's a private organization after all so it's entirely their business, but it's good to see some acceptance.

Well, except for all the public funds and free use of government facilities, I'd agree with you.

I think the threat of loss of government sponsorship probably had a lot to do with this decision...


BSA doesn't use public funds, and as far as I know they never have.  Also, although they have used government facilities in the past, by and large they no longer have that option, which is why pretty much every scout troop today is chartered by a church or occasionally an Elks lodge or some such.  They have no "government sponsorship", though I agree that part of their reasoning on this decision is the wish to regain access to city park meeting halls, schools auditoriums, that sort of thing.
 
2013-05-23 11:32:26 PM
So I guess they're gonna start selling cookies too?
 
2013-05-23 11:38:58 PM

Alleyoop: So I guess they're gonna start selling cookies too?


They already do. Google Analytics and Reinvigorate track their website.
 
2013-05-23 11:46:45 PM

Weaver95: I wonder if the evangelical megachurches will try and force a schism in scouting?  they aren't going to like this news at all.  of course, the evangelicals are more than welcome to found their own private organization that excludes gays from it's ranks...but that will cost quite a lot of money, and well...they ARE prosperity gospel types.


Didn't stop the Mormons from having their own private Girl Scout equivalent.  If they want to be special and ride a very short bus, that's fine but they need to bring their own bus rather than trying to hack off half of ours.
 
2013-05-23 11:48:56 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: Would you like the KKK to get special treatment, or a couple of megacorps? Would you like Greenpeace to get special treatment or a couple of megacorps?


If I had to choose, Monsanto and BP would get my vote over Greenpeace and the Klan.  And it's not that I hate the planet, it's that the Klan and Greenpeace are immeasurably worse.
 
2013-05-23 11:49:12 PM

hlehmann: BSA doesn't use public funds, and as far as I know they never have.  Also, although they have used government facilities in the past, by and large they no longer have that option, which is why pretty much every scout troop today is chartered by a church or occasionally an Elks lodge or some such.


Up until 2005, government agencies used to directly sponsor troops. The ACLU got involved, and the BSA *then* transferred all of its government agency charters to private organizations.  Previously, about 400 Scouting units had been sponsored by U.S. military bases and over 10,000 by other governmental entities, primarily public schools.
 
2013-05-23 11:50:55 PM

GoldSpider: Weaver95: their clubhouse, their rules.  if they decided to change 'em, then that's their prerogative.

That's why I attended their rally in Mechanicsburg in opposition of the ban.  The change needed to come from within.

Lenny_da_Hog: Except when they get preferential treatment from government organizations. Then it's my clubhouse they're using.

I'm pretty sure the BSA had to forsake any government assistance if they were to be allowed to discriminate.  I could be wrong though.


Congressionally chartered organization.  Basically, federally protected national institution.
 
2013-05-23 11:55:11 PM

NaziKamikaze: You don't know BS history if you think they just recently took over.  Two things - it started as a military and religious prep organization.


More the former, less the latter.  The reverence and duty to god bit is kind of a throwback to the early 1900s when organized religion in general was in vogue on this continent.  Anybody that's been in Scouts and is still alive can tell you the Scouting program doesn't really lean on religion that hard.  The converse isn't always true, the Mormons like to use Scouting as a crutch for not really having their own confirmation program for boys totally fleshed out...
 
2013-05-23 11:57:43 PM
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In the boy scouts, you can go to the woods, in the boy scouts, and then touch some guy's...wood....
 
2013-05-24 12:00:37 AM

cc_rider: I'm pretty sure the "hating" came from the adults and a bunch of asshole religious leaders. I'd wager the actual scouts had fark-all to do with it.


I'd wager the rank-and-file Scouts were too busy actually Scouting to care.  Then there's this guy, obviously pretty proud of his Eagle to incorporate it into his fursona.
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2013-05-24 12:05:17 AM

Baloo Uriza: Anybody that's been in Scouts and is still alive can tell you the Scouting program doesn't really lean on religion that hard.


There was also that big resurgence during the Cold war, when atheists were communists, but it mostly depends on where you live whether or not it gets enforced.

I was in scouts in the 70s for almost a year in 7th grade, then moved to a different town for 8th grade. There, I joined a new troop and was a member for a couple of weeks before I got into a heated discussion about evolution after science class at school. One of the troop members told the adult leadership, who pulled me aside before the next meeting and asked me about it. They deemed I wasn't reverent enough and kicked me out (That troop was sponsored by a Methodist church).
 
2013-05-24 12:08:22 AM

Another Government Employee: You do know Hitler Youth was patterned after Scouts?


Probably because the Nazi Party forcibly took over Germany's Scouting organization in an effort to hijack the Scouting movement for it's own purposes.  I don't think they expected Poland's Scouting movement to be just a wee bit more hardcore.
 
2013-05-24 12:10:52 AM

wildsnowllama: brapbrapbrap: Aren't scouts 12 years old or something? How many "openly gay" 12 year olds are there? Can't remember any at my school.

Scouts are up to 18 aren't they?


21 in some divisions (Sea Scout ships, whatever Air Scout wings might still be lingering after Homeland Security pretty much killed it, Explorer posts, troop venture crews).
 
2013-05-24 12:14:58 AM

SpiderQueenDemon: /that, and FFA boys didn't have a whole damn outfit and a faaaabulous Victorinox knife they were afraid to use because it cost $200.


I saved up, bought, and ultimately obliterated five of the damn things before the Leatherman was invented and I made the switch.

/Leatherman:  The only thing about .com-era Portland that actually stood the test of time.
 
2013-05-24 12:18:02 AM

Mrtraveler01: The Boy Scouts are a fairly conservatively run organization but I guess even they saw the writing on the wall and realized how stupid it was to keep people out of what is otherwise a decent organization just because they're gay.


More like it got forced to a poll of regional council and district executives, and it turns out most of the locals don't give a shiat and couldn't figure out what the boys in Irving were smoking on.
 
2013-05-24 12:18:58 AM

Lenny_da_Hog: hlehmann: BSA doesn't use public funds, and as far as I know they never have.  Also, although they have used government facilities in the past, by and large they no longer have that option, which is why pretty much every scout troop today is chartered by a church or occasionally an Elks lodge or some such.

Up until 2005, government agencies used to directly sponsor troops. The ACLU got involved, and the BSA *then* transferred all of its government agency charters to private organizations.  Previously, about 400 Scouting units had been sponsored by U.S. military bases and over 10,000 by other governmental entities, primarily public schools.


I stand corrected.  Been a scout leader since about 1997, and the only local unit that I was aware of that had any kind of government sponsorship went through a lot of grief about 10 years ago when the parks department no longer wanted to give them access to a meeting hall which they had been using for the past 30 years or so.
 
2013-05-24 12:20:59 AM

Flragnararch: I'm not the only one that thinks that this isn't about equality but about sponsorship money yes?


Yeah, but it's really not much about either, since this was a vote.  It had more to do with apathy.  The only people who had a strong opinion on the issue were the no-votes.
 
2013-05-24 12:24:53 AM

Arachnophobe: Why is that odd?


Because he didn't conform to the paranoid stereotypes of bigots.
 
2013-05-24 12:25:50 AM

Lenny_da_Hog: Baloo Uriza: Anybody that's been in Scouts and is still alive can tell you the Scouting program doesn't really lean on religion that hard.

There was also that big resurgence during the Cold war, when atheists were communists, but it mostly depends on where you live whether or not it gets enforced.

I was in scouts in the 70s for almost a year in 7th grade, then moved to a different town for 8th grade. There, I joined a new troop and was a member for a couple of weeks before I got into a heated discussion about evolution after science class at school. One of the troop members told the adult leadership, who pulled me aside before the next meeting and asked me about it. They deemed I wasn't reverent enough and kicked me out (That troop was sponsored by a Methodist church).


The troop that both of my sons joined is chartered by a Catholic church, and yet here I am, an athiest since I was old enough to know the difference.  Being involved in Scout activities, in my opinion, is far better for boys that not, and the Catholics, as wacky as they may be, have given us support and a meeting hall since long before I've been with the troop.  I have never had a bad word to say about about any of the members of this [articular church, it's the religion that I can't stand.
 
2013-05-24 12:25:56 AM

knowless: Lame, now you'll be able to hear them farking instead of just suspect it.


You must be from Portland.  Seriously, that's some ignorantly convoluted, farked up logic that is regionally specific to that city, and it's one of the things that ultimately drove me away from my hometown.  Let me go ahead and make this as plain as possible.

NOBODY IN THEIR RIGHT MIND JOINS SCOUTING FOR THE SEX.
YOUR ARGUMENT IS IRRELEVANT TO THE CONVERSATION.
 
2013-05-24 12:31:08 AM

Lenny_da_Hog: Baloo Uriza: Anybody that's been in Scouts and is still alive can tell you the Scouting program doesn't really lean on religion that hard.

There was also that big resurgence during the Cold war, when atheists were communists, but it mostly depends on where you live whether or not it gets enforced.

I was in scouts in the 70s for almost a year in 7th grade, then moved to a different town for 8th grade. There, I joined a new troop and was a member for a couple of weeks before I got into a heated discussion about evolution after science class at school. One of the troop members told the adult leadership, who pulled me aside before the next meeting and asked me about it. They deemed I wasn't reverent enough and kicked me out (That troop was sponsored by a Methodist church).


Nothing stopped you from reregistering as a Lone Scout or joining another nearby troop.
 
2013-05-24 12:31:42 AM
So now the Bigoted Scouts of America are becoming the Tolerant Scouts of America!

*stands up and salutes monitor*

/just wanted to make a stupid TSA joke
 
2013-05-24 12:33:29 AM

xanadian: /just wanted to make a stupid TSA joke


You really stretched for that one.  Hope you did a warmup first.
 
2013-05-24 12:33:33 AM

Baloo Uriza: Mrtraveler01: The Boy Scouts are a fairly conservatively run organization but I guess even they saw the writing on the wall and realized how stupid it was to keep people out of what is otherwise a decent organization just because they're gay.

More like it got forced to a poll of regional council and district executives, and it turns out most of the locals don't give a shiat and couldn't figure out what the boys in Irving were smoking on.


Not just council and district folks...  I was just a long time assistant scoutmaster, never in any district or council positions whatsoever. About six months ago I received a survey about this very issue.  "Would I be OK with admitting gay youth to Scouting", "Would I be OK with scout leaders being gay", etc.  I replied that I thought highly of Scouting as a concept, but that they had to either change their position on the matter or soon risk become irrelevant.
 
2013-05-24 12:35:03 AM

hlehmann: Baloo Uriza: Mrtraveler01: The Boy Scouts are a fairly conservatively run organization but I guess even they saw the writing on the wall and realized how stupid it was to keep people out of what is otherwise a decent organization just because they're gay.

More like it got forced to a poll of regional council and district executives, and it turns out most of the locals don't give a shiat and couldn't figure out what the boys in Irving were smoking on.

Not just council and district folks...  I was just a long time assistant scoutmaster, never in any district or council positions whatsoever. About six months ago I received a survey about this very issue.  "Would I be OK with admitting gay youth to Scouting", "Would I be OK with scout leaders being gay", etc.  I replied that I thought highly of Scouting as a concept, but that they had to either change their position on the matter or soon risk become irrelevant.


Yeah, it had been a long time since I participated in those, I couldn't remember if I got a ballot once before because I was an assistant scoutmaster or because my other uniform had silver epaulets.
 
2013-05-24 12:37:58 AM

hlehmann: The troop that both of my sons joined is chartered by a Catholic church, and yet here I am, an athiest since I was old enough to know the difference.  Being involved in Scout activities, in my opinion, is far better for boys that not, and the Catholics, as wacky as they may be, have given us support and a meeting hall since long before I've been with the troop.  I have never had a bad word to say about about any of the members of this [articular church, it's the religion that I can't stand.


Yeah. The irony in my case is that a Catholic school I went to sponsored my first troop in 7th grade. At that school, we studied evolution and genetic heritage in science class (simple things like Punnett squares and Gregor Mendel, but I was really enthusiastic about it).

When I got to the new town in 8th grade, genetics and evolution were all still mysticism to my new public school classmates. What I'd learned in Catholic school  was the basis of the arguments that got me thrown out of Scouts.
 
2013-05-24 12:51:21 AM

Baloo Uriza: Nothing stopped you from reregistering as a Lone Scout or joining another nearby troop.


It was easier to just find something else to do. Who wants to work that hard to get the approval of a bunch of tattletales and jerks who just threw you out?
 
2013-05-24 12:53:13 AM

Baloo Uriza: wildsnowllama: brapbrapbrap: Aren't scouts 12 years old or something? How many "openly gay" 12 year olds are there? Can't remember any at my school.

Scouts are up to 18 aren't they?

21 in some divisions (Sea Scout ships, whatever Air Scout wings might still be lingering after Homeland Security pretty much killed it, Explorer posts, troop venture crews).


Just for general information:

Explorer posts have traditionally had higher top and bottom age limits (currently running from about 14 to 21, the bottom age was generally around 16 when I was active in the 80s and 90s) than main line Scout Troops, and were already co-ed at the time.  The Venture crew concept was getting kicked around *again* at that time... it was originally pitched as an organized sports based unit that kind of downplayed traditional scout skills to get a better foothold in urban areas.  Since I left, Explorers pretty much became a Vocational/Tech focused program, with all the advanced skills and High Adventure (a lot of which require higher minimum ages - everything from firearms to SCUBA to rappelling and whitewater rafting) getting placed in a repurposed co-ed Venture program.

Since the molestation shenanigans in the 80s, the National Headquarters developed some fairly comprehensive (if more than occasionally comical) youth protection guidelines - such as Two Deep Adult Leadership, which is taught generally at the District level (roughly county based, but with all things, YMMV).  As a side note, the same course is given to all summer camp staff annually.

I really don't see what all the hand wringing was about.  When I was a camp counselor, there were at least three guys on staff that were gay, and not a fark was given.  In terms of youth protection, take a cue from Canadian Scouting (where mainline troops have been co-ed forever) if you really need to fill gaps in your troop guidelines.  With the higher ages of youth participation, and the semi-detached nature of the Venture and Explorer system, I'll lay money that openly gay adult leaders will first be allowed there.  It should have happened years ago... the question was a big enough discussion that it came up at my Eagle murder board back in '94.
 
2013-05-24 01:37:02 AM

Lenny_da_Hog: Baloo Uriza: Nothing stopped you from reregistering as a Lone Scout or joining another nearby troop.

It was easier to just find something else to do. Who wants to work that hard to get the approval of a bunch of tattletales and jerks who just threw you out?


That tends to be troop-specific moronics.
 
2013-05-24 01:42:01 AM

FloridaWombat: It should have happened years ago... the question was a big enough discussion that it came up at my Eagle murder board back in '94.


How'd the murder board go?
 
2013-05-24 08:16:23 AM
Still don't allow gay scout leaders or atheists, though.

/fark the Mormons for imposing their twisted values on the scouts
 
2013-05-24 08:24:08 AM

Lenny_da_Hog: Gunny Highway: Lenny_da_Hog: loser0: TheWhoppah: So, are the Boys Scouts still a hate group or does this fix that?

Completely. It's still completely legal, moral, and acceptable to hate atheists  and agnostics.

They don't care which religion you believe, as long as you don't question. Kind of like Alcoholics Anonymous.

Scouts in RI must be alot different than other places.

Then they don't follow the national BSA bylaws.

Section 1. Declaration of Religious Principle, clause 1. The Boy Scouts of America maintains that no member can grow into the best kind of citizen without recognizing an obligation to God. In the first part of the Scout Oath or Promise the member declares, "On my honor I will do my best to do my duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law." The recognition of God as the ruling and leading power in the universe and the grateful acknowledgment of His favors and blessings are necessary to the best type of citizenship and are wholesome precepts in the education of the growing members. No matter what the religious faith of the members may be, this fundamental need of good citizenship should be kept before them. The Boy Scouts of America, therefore, recognizes the religious element in the training of the member, but it is absolutely nonsectarian in its attitude toward that religious training. Its policy is that the home and the organization or group with which the member is connected shall give definite attention to religious life.


When did they add that? When I was in scouts religion and god never came up.
 
2013-05-24 08:25:37 AM

abb3w: The historic vote, with 60% in favor, signals another shift in American public opinion about homosexuality but still leaves the organization with many future hurdles.

The hurdles get smaller to the future.

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kinda sad that change basically awaits the death of the older generations. No wonder people living longer and longer is a terrible thing, it means change slows down.
 
2013-05-24 08:37:40 AM

Tyrone Slothrop: When did they add that? When I was in scouts religion and god never came up.


Same here.  I think it depends on where you are from and the leadership in your town.
 
2013-05-24 08:59:55 AM

nekom: WordyGrrl: This is excellent news! Gay kids have a tough enough time growing up, having to face abuse from bigots and homophobes (not to mention the parents who sometimes disown them). This kind of peer support can go a long way in making sure they grow up to be decent, well-adjusted human beings.

The times they are a'changing.  Hell even when I was a kid in the not so long ago 1980s, people weren't openly gay for the most part.  Now they are, and that's what's driving this.  I'm not gay, but I know gay people.  Beloved family of mine and my wife's happen to be gay.  I'm not alone in that.  When you put a face to it, it takes it from being an abstract concept "Should gays have equal rights?"  into something a lot more personal "Should my uncle, aunt, sister, brother, etc. who happens to be gay have the same rights that I do?"  That, I believe, is what's truly behind this social shift, and I applaud any advances toward full equality, however small the boy scout thing may seem to be.


Boom! You hit the nail on the head with that. The more gay people who come out, the more straight people realize that gay folks aren't "strange, foreign, other" and that they really DO know regular, everyday people who are gay. And some of those gay people happen to be family members, friends, etc. Aside from the dating/mating habits, we're really not all that different after all.
 
2013-05-24 09:44:55 AM
Will there be a Party n Play merit badge, now?
 
2013-05-24 09:55:47 AM

Raspil: the bigotry today that is on Twitter about this is nauseating.

http://publicshaming.tumblr.com/post/51189655685/hateful-bigots-thin k- gay-children-will-destroy-the-boy


Wow, there are people who seriously think there is some kind of gay mafia? Or is this some kind of nickname for pro-gay-rights forces?
 
2013-05-24 09:57:58 AM

Lenny_da_Hog: They're still a group of bigots. They still say you can't be moral if you're non-religious.

Also, they still say gays aren't suitable to be scout leaders and volunteers --  basically, they're accepting gays into the ranks while telling them how awful they will be as adults.


Yup. But even if they were to fix all that, there's still the issue of dressing your kid up like a dork and sending him to some dork church to hang out with a bunch of other dorks in their how-to-be-the-dorkiest-dorkass-dork-who-ever-dorked dork meetings. What I'm saying is, they're a bunch of farking dorks. Seriously.
 
2013-05-24 09:59:56 AM

cc_rider: TheWhoppah: So, are the Boys Scouts still a hate group or does this fix that?

I'm pretty sure the "hating" came from the adults and a bunch of asshole religious leaders. I'd wager the actual scouts had fark-all to do with it.


Indeed. I remember a newspaper article from like 1998 where the reporter asked a bunch of Scouts what they thought of the possibility of gay members. They said they didn't care, as long as they didn't hit on them.
 
2013-05-24 10:45:42 AM
They quoted some 16 year old who said something about how he wanted to be a scout like his brother who is 20. The cutoff age is 18 in scouting, but most quit by 16. But I digress.


Apparently being 16 today is different than when I was 16. For him to be gay means he's had buttsex. At age 16. /facepalm.
 
2013-05-24 10:51:06 AM

Lenny_da_Hog: They're still a group of bigots. They still say you can't be moral if you're non-religious.

Also, they still say gays aren't suitable to be scout leaders and volunteers --  basically, they're accepting gays into the ranks while telling them how awful they will be as adults.


Nope, you're a bigot though. Hating people for the way they think or the opinions they hold. You hate them so much that they aren't allowed to have their private club anymore because you harassed them so much.

On the other hand, the scouts were perfectly OK with gays existing and having their own private clubs. That's called tolerance, something you could use some of.
 
2013-05-24 10:52:54 AM

CommiePuddin: I'm still confused as to why we care about the sexual orientation of 12-18 year-old boys.

If it's sexual conduct within the troop, well, BSA already runs a program that includes girls (Venturers), so model the general policy after whatever is there.

/Why was this hard?


Why do elementary/middle/high schools have separate locker rooms for boys and girls? Because it is a very bad idea to allow unsupervised teens alone with each other who are sexually attracted to each other.

There was already an issue with beer, drugs and porn with scouts, especially at summer camp. Now they can add buttsex to the list.
 
2013-05-24 11:24:55 AM
Worth adding that we'll see if this changes the Boy Scouts like the Girl Scouts. It is pretty well known at this point that the Girl Scouts are a lesbian-recruiting organization. The BSA added a girls option in Ventures because no one really wants to be in the Girl Scouts anymore.
 
2013-05-24 11:30:17 AM

GoldSpider: TheWhoppah: So, are the Boys Scouts still a hate group or does this fix that?

A lot of scouts attended rallies against the resolution, whether or not they even realized what it was about.  There's likely still a lot of damage that needs repaired yet.


Most of will leave. I will retire the troop colors an disband our unit. There will be a new national faith baised scouting group with standards to keep out this evil sickness. DADT went away in the army and gay on straight assaults jumped up overnight the homosexuals have no respect or self control. The B S A council can shove this new policy, I will burn my uniform with the troop colors.
 
2013-05-24 11:49:23 AM

abb3w: The historic vote, with 60% in favor, signals another shift in American public opinion about homosexuality but still leaves the organization with many future hurdles.

The hurdles get smaller to the future.

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Weird, how every generation gets more and more open-minded, except for those farkers from the 50s, who apparently regressed for a bit!
 
2013-05-24 03:12:32 PM

RobSeace: Weird, how every generation gets more and more open-minded, except for those farkers from the 50s, who apparently regressed for a bit!


Looking at the GSS data in depth, it looks more a sampling anomaly of the 1940s cohort, and in turn only in 2012; not too surprising given a N=135 sub-sample. If you include data from the GSS 2004-2012, the trend is pretty smooth.
 
2013-05-24 11:12:21 PM

RobSeace: Weird, how every generation gets more and more open-minded, except for those farkers from the 50s, who apparently regressed for a bit!


The chart refers to adult gay marriage, not encouraging homosexuality among children.
 
2013-05-25 03:00:48 AM
Alleyoop

The chart refers to adult gay same-sex marriage, not encouraging acknowledging homosexuality among children.

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