Flragnararch: I'm not the only one that thinks that this isn't about equality but about sponsorship money yes?
Arachnophobe: Why is that odd?
Lenny_da_Hog: Baloo Uriza: Anybody that's been in Scouts and is still alive can tell you the Scouting program doesn't really lean on religion that hard.There was also that big resurgence during the Cold war, when atheists were communists, but it mostly depends on where you live whether or not it gets enforced.I was in scouts in the 70s for almost a year in 7th grade, then moved to a different town for 8th grade. There, I joined a new troop and was a member for a couple of weeks before I got into a heated discussion about evolution after science class at school. One of the troop members told the adult leadership, who pulled me aside before the next meeting and asked me about it. They deemed I wasn't reverent enough and kicked me out (That troop was sponsored by a Methodist church).
knowless: Lame, now you'll be able to hear them farking instead of just suspect it.
xanadian: /just wanted to make a stupid TSA joke
Baloo Uriza: Mrtraveler01: The Boy Scouts are a fairly conservatively run organization but I guess even they saw the writing on the wall and realized how stupid it was to keep people out of what is otherwise a decent organization just because they're gay.More like it got forced to a poll of regional council and district executives, and it turns out most of the locals don't give a shiat and couldn't figure out what the boys in Irving were smoking on.
hlehmann: Baloo Uriza: Mrtraveler01: The Boy Scouts are a fairly conservatively run organization but I guess even they saw the writing on the wall and realized how stupid it was to keep people out of what is otherwise a decent organization just because they're gay.More like it got forced to a poll of regional council and district executives, and it turns out most of the locals don't give a shiat and couldn't figure out what the boys in Irving were smoking on.Not just council and district folks... I was just a long time assistant scoutmaster, never in any district or council positions whatsoever. About six months ago I received a survey about this very issue. "Would I be OK with admitting gay youth to Scouting", "Would I be OK with scout leaders being gay", etc. I replied that I thought highly of Scouting as a concept, but that they had to either change their position on the matter or soon risk become irrelevant.
hlehmann: The troop that both of my sons joined is chartered by a Catholic church, and yet here I am, an athiest since I was old enough to know the difference. Being involved in Scout activities, in my opinion, is far better for boys that not, and the Catholics, as wacky as they may be, have given us support and a meeting hall since long before I've been with the troop. I have never had a bad word to say about about any of the members of this [articular church, it's the religion that I can't stand.
Baloo Uriza: Nothing stopped you from reregistering as a Lone Scout or joining another nearby troop.
Baloo Uriza: wildsnowllama: brapbrapbrap: Aren't scouts 12 years old or something? How many "openly gay" 12 year olds are there? Can't remember any at my school.Scouts are up to 18 aren't they?21 in some divisions (Sea Scout ships, whatever Air Scout wings might still be lingering after Homeland Security pretty much killed it, Explorer posts, troop venture crews).
Lenny_da_Hog: Baloo Uriza: Nothing stopped you from reregistering as a Lone Scout or joining another nearby troop.It was easier to just find something else to do. Who wants to work that hard to get the approval of a bunch of tattletales and jerks who just threw you out?
FloridaWombat: It should have happened years ago... the question was a big enough discussion that it came up at my Eagle murder board back in '94.
Lenny_da_Hog: Gunny Highway: Lenny_da_Hog: loser0: TheWhoppah: So, are the Boys Scouts still a hate group or does this fix that?Completely. It's still completely legal, moral, and acceptable to hate atheists and agnostics.They don't care which religion you believe, as long as you don't question. Kind of like Alcoholics Anonymous.Scouts in RI must be alot different than other places.Then they don't follow the national BSA bylaws.Section 1. Declaration of Religious Principle, clause 1. The Boy Scouts of America maintains that no member can grow into the best kind of citizen without recognizing an obligation to God. In the first part of the Scout Oath or Promise the member declares, "On my honor I will do my best to do my duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law." The recognition of God as the ruling and leading power in the universe and the grateful acknowledgment of His favors and blessings are necessary to the best type of citizenship and are wholesome precepts in the education of the growing members. No matter what the religious faith of the members may be, this fundamental need of good citizenship should be kept before them. The Boy Scouts of America, therefore, recognizes the religious element in the training of the member, but it is absolutely nonsectarian in its attitude toward that religious training. Its policy is that the home and the organization or group with which the member is connected shall give definite attention to religious life.
abb3w: The historic vote, with 60% in favor, signals another shift in American public opinion about homosexuality but still leaves the organization with many future hurdles.The hurdles get smaller to the future.[a.imageshack.us image 850x575]Kisses, gang.[ib2.huluim.com image 600x400]
Tyrone Slothrop: When did they add that? When I was in scouts religion and god never came up.
nekom: WordyGrrl: This is excellent news! Gay kids have a tough enough time growing up, having to face abuse from bigots and homophobes (not to mention the parents who sometimes disown them). This kind of peer support can go a long way in making sure they grow up to be decent, well-adjusted human beings.The times they are a'changing. Hell even when I was a kid in the not so long ago 1980s, people weren't openly gay for the most part. Now they are, and that's what's driving this. I'm not gay, but I know gay people. Beloved family of mine and my wife's happen to be gay. I'm not alone in that. When you put a face to it, it takes it from being an abstract concept "Should gays have equal rights?" into something a lot more personal "Should my uncle, aunt, sister, brother, etc. who happens to be gay have the same rights that I do?" That, I believe, is what's truly behind this social shift, and I applaud any advances toward full equality, however small the boy scout thing may seem to be.
Raspil: the bigotry today that is on Twitter about this is nauseating.http://publicshaming.tumblr.com/post/51189655685/hateful-bigots-thin k- gay-children-will-destroy-the-boy
Lenny_da_Hog: They're still a group of bigots. They still say you can't be moral if you're non-religious.Also, they still say gays aren't suitable to be scout leaders and volunteers -- basically, they're accepting gays into the ranks while telling them how awful they will be as adults.
cc_rider: TheWhoppah: So, are the Boys Scouts still a hate group or does this fix that?I'm pretty sure the "hating" came from the adults and a bunch of asshole religious leaders. I'd wager the actual scouts had fark-all to do with it.
CommiePuddin: I'm still confused as to why we care about the sexual orientation of 12-18 year-old boys.If it's sexual conduct within the troop, well, BSA already runs a program that includes girls (Venturers), so model the general policy after whatever is there./Why was this hard?
GoldSpider: TheWhoppah: So, are the Boys Scouts still a hate group or does this fix that?A lot of scouts attended rallies against the resolution, whether or not they even realized what it was about. There's likely still a lot of damage that needs repaired yet.
abb3w: The historic vote, with 60% in favor, signals another shift in American public opinion about homosexuality but still leaves the organization with many future hurdles.The hurdles get smaller to the future.[a.imageshack.us image 850x575]
RobSeace: Weird, how every generation gets more and more open-minded, except for those farkers from the 50s, who apparently regressed for a bit!
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