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2013-05-23 08:08:49 PM
When I was a scout I didn't even know what gay was.

Sheltered life.
 
2013-05-23 08:08:52 PM

Gordon Bennett: I will keep posting this in these threads until someone finds it to be as funny as I do.

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Ha! Took me a minute.

Somewhere, some "Totally straight", married with children, Scoutmaster is licking his chops, and laughing at the irony of BSA continuing to discriminate against openly gay scout leaders.

/Seriously though, statistics say it's this ^ type of predator that they need to watch out for.  Dumbasses.
 
2013-05-23 08:09:42 PM

Weaver95: I wonder if the evangelical megachurches will try and force a schism in scouting?  they aren't going to like this news at all.  of course, the evangelicals are more than welcome to found their own private organization that excludes gays from it's ranks...but that will cost quite a lot of money, and well...they ARE prosperity gospel types.


They already have it. Its called awana .  http://awana.org/about/about-awana,default,pg.html
 
2013-05-23 08:09:54 PM

Weaver95: I wonder if the evangelical megachurches will try and force a schism in scouting?  they aren't going to like this news at all.  of course, the evangelicals are more than welcome to found their own private organization that excludes gays from it's ranks...but that will cost quite a lot of money, and well...they ARE prosperity gospel types.


If I recall correctly, the vast majority of the religious chartering organizations are either Mormon, Catholic or Mainline Protestant.  The LDS has publicly OK'd the new rule, the Catholic Church doesn't seem to have any public position whatsoever and Mainline Protestantism is mostly either supportive or at least indifferent on gay rights stuff.  If a few religious firebrands want to voluntarily remove themselves from the organization, all the better I say.
 
2013-05-23 08:10:16 PM

Weaver95: their clubhouse, their rules.  if they decided to change 'em, then that's their prerogative.


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Agrees with prerogatives.
 
2013-05-23 08:11:03 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: brapbrapbrap: Aren't scouts 12 years old or something? How many "openly gay" 12 year olds are there? Can't remember any at my school.

It's more about the 17-year-olds who were getting thrown out.


I thought Cocksucking was like the last badge you earned before becoming an Eagle Scout.
 
2013-05-23 08:12:48 PM
It's a good start.  Now let's make sure atheists won't be kicked out, too.

/So glad that the Girl Scouts don't give a damn about your sexuality or faith.
 
2013-05-23 08:13:08 PM
 
2013-05-23 08:13:19 PM

p51d007: Congrats for destroying another institution of American culture.
Might as well get rid of the Boy Scout oath while you are at it.

On my honor, I will do my best
To do my duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law;
To help other people at all times;
To keep myself physically strong, mentally awake and morally straight.

How the hell can you do your duty to God, and be morally straight, if they accept
homosexuals?


Which god ?  and morally straight means being a good person, it has nothing to do with sexuallity
 
2013-05-23 08:13:37 PM

Another Government Employee: Weaver95: I wonder if the evangelical megachurches will try and force a schism in scouting?  they aren't going to like this news at all.  of course, the evangelicals are more than welcome to found their own private organization that excludes gays from it's ranks...but that will cost quite a lot of money, and well...they ARE prosperity gospel types.

A couple of them already exist.


Happened to the Girl Scouts when they chose to let each girl define what "god" meant to her when saying the oath, essentially changing the requirement to profess a belief in god.

The Catholics also protested when a GS rep was on the same panel as Planned Parenthood rep at a conference on empowering girls.

If I recall correctly, its the Heritage Girls or something similar.
 
2013-05-23 08:14:20 PM

TheWhoppah: So, are the Boys Scouts still a hate group or does this fix that?


Completely. It's still completely legal, moral, and acceptable to hate atheists.

/when I was scout, "gay" was just another generic insult boys shouted at each other
 
2013-05-23 08:15:21 PM

Mitt Romneys Tax Return: FTFA:
Austin Ruse, president of the Catholic Family and Human Rights Institute in Washington, D.C., said the shift "would utterly change Scouting and dramatically reduce their ranks. The Catholic and Mormon groups would simply have to walk away."

And another group of bigots with "Family" in their name. Good for the Scouts; it's about damn time.



And without the Jesus-Bunch; perhaps the kids will, you know, have FUN. I've been to camp (not a Scout) and I can tell you: praying is NOT fun for a kid. Unless they're brainwashed.
 
2013-05-23 08:15:49 PM

nekom: Honestly, did not expect that, it's a private organization after all so it's entirely their business


What about that congressional charter banning rival scout (and guide) organisations?
 
2013-05-23 08:16:47 PM

loser0: TheWhoppah: So, are the Boys Scouts still a hate group or does this fix that?

Completely. It's still completely legal, moral, and acceptable to hate atheists  and agnostics.


They don't care which religion you believe, as long as you don't question. Kind of like Alcoholics Anonymous.
 
2013-05-23 08:17:02 PM

bdub77: Lenny_da_Hog: brapbrapbrap: 

I thought Cocksucking was like the last badge you earned before becoming an Eagle Scout.


That's toooooo funny.
 
2013-05-23 08:17:24 PM
Woo hoo! butt secks on the next camping trip
 
2013-05-23 08:18:01 PM
So now they'll have to learn to untie balloon knots to get a badge?
 
2013-05-23 08:18:24 PM

alienated: Weaver95: I wonder if the evangelical megachurches will try and force a schism in scouting?  they aren't going to like this news at all.  of course, the evangelicals are more than welcome to found their own private organization that excludes gays from it's ranks...but that will cost quite a lot of money, and well...they ARE prosperity gospel types.

They already have it. Its called awana .  http://awana.org/about/about-awana,default,pg.html


I was gonna say - these assholes have to rewrite their own goddamn Bible to fit their ideology, of COURSE they'll make a sanitized version of the Scouts.
 
2013-05-23 08:19:42 PM

Bumblefark: NaziKamikaze: Arachnophobe: GoldSpider: Oddly enough, he never messed with any kids, and is generally regarded by everyone who knows him a good guy.

Why is that odd?

The awesomeness of your two logins aside, this is the core reason why they want to ban gays.  Because in their minds gay = pedo/child predator.

Eh...

Would you put a straight man in charge of a bunch of 16 and 17 year old girls, out in the woods?

If something inappropriate happened, would that be because he's a "pedophile" or because grown men have been known to be kinda flexible about the age of majority, when the opportunity is there.

/difficulty: I think the ban is moronic.
//double difficulty: also not a troll


Which is why a woman must accompany a Venture Crew on a event.
 
2013-05-23 08:20:51 PM

Combustion: Mitt Romneys Tax Return: FTFA:
Austin Ruse, president of the Catholic Family and Human Rights Institute in Washington, D.C., said the shift "would utterly change Scouting and dramatically reduce their ranks. The Catholic and Mormon groups would simply have to walk away."

And another group of bigots with "Family" in their name. Good for the Scouts; it's about damn time.


And without the Jesus-Bunch; perhaps the kids will, you know, have FUN. I've been to camp (not a Scout) and I can tell you: praying is NOT fun for a kid. Unless they're brainwashed.


Sort of fun - my son just bridged from Wolf to Bear last weekend, and is totally bummed that demolitions isn't in the book this year either.
 
2013-05-23 08:21:18 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: loser0: TheWhoppah: So, are the Boys Scouts still a hate group or does this fix that?

Completely. It's still completely legal, moral, and acceptable to hate atheists  and agnostics.

They don't care which religion you believe, as long as you don't question. Kind of like Alcoholics Anonymous.


Scouts in RI must be alot different than other places.
 
2013-05-23 08:21:27 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: and agnostics.

They don't care which religion you believe, as long as you don't question. Kind of like Alcoholics Anonymous.


Good point. But it's more like "which religion you say you believe", since the "honest" part doesn't actually apply here.
 
2013-05-23 08:21:32 PM

p51d007: How the hell can you do your duty to God, and be morally straight, if they accept
homosexuals menstruating women?


Leviticised that for you.
 
2013-05-23 08:23:08 PM
This is good news. Not as good as it could've been, but still good.

When I was a Girl Scout, we made a point not to date Boy Scouts because the anti-gay ruling meant that any gay guys in there would, by default, be closeted and therefore more likely to leave you for your hot brother. 4H and FFA boys from the next county, however, were either "Yeah, I'm gay, and my truck's bigger'n your old man's, so fark off," baby-bear types or "Well, I think Mark, Rick and Steve're gay, but Ah lak girls, mahself." At least there you knew where you were with them.

/that, and FFA boys didn't have a whole damn outfit and a faaaabulous Victorinox knife they were afraid to use because it cost $200.
//just jeans, plaid shirts and a plain ol' Gerber multitool that could open the champagne, the condom box and your back door after your curfew-Nazi parents forgot and locked you out.
///rowr!
 
2013-05-23 08:24:30 PM

SpiderQueenDemon: and your back door


Kinky!!
 
2013-05-23 08:26:32 PM

Gunny Highway: Lenny_da_Hog: loser0: TheWhoppah: So, are the Boys Scouts still a hate group or does this fix that?

Completely. It's still completely legal, moral, and acceptable to hate atheists  and agnostics.

They don't care which religion you believe, as long as you don't question. Kind of like Alcoholics Anonymous.

Scouts in RI must be alot different than other places.


Then they don't follow the national BSA bylaws.

Section 1. Declaration of Religious Principle, clause 1. The Boy Scouts of America maintains that no member can grow into the best kind of citizen without recognizing an obligation to God. In the first part of the Scout Oath or Promise the member declares, "On my honor I will do my best to do my duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law." The recognition of God as the ruling and leading power in the universe and the grateful acknowledgment of His favors and blessings are necessary to the best type of citizenship and are wholesome precepts in the education of the growing members. No matter what the religious faith of the members may be, this fundamental need of good citizenship should be kept before them. The Boy Scouts of America, therefore, recognizes the religious element in the training of the member, but it is absolutely nonsectarian in its attitude toward that religious training. Its policy is that the home and the organization or group with which the member is connected shall give definite attention to religious life.
 
2013-05-23 08:26:51 PM

KangTheMad: Hmm, the competition on this one is stiff


Freeper thread for your amusement.

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/ 3023193/posts
 
2013-05-23 08:33:31 PM

UNC_Samurai: alienated: Weaver95: I wonder if the evangelical megachurches will try and force a schism in scouting?  they aren't going to like this news at all.  of course, the evangelicals are more than welcome to found their own private organization that excludes gays from it's ranks...but that will cost quite a lot of money, and well...they ARE prosperity gospel types.

They already have it. Its called awana .  http://awana.org/about/about-awana,default,pg.html

I was gonna say - these assholes have to rewrite their own goddamn Bible to fit their ideology, of COURSE they'll make a sanitized version of the Scouts.


They already have some Bible-based version of the Girl Scouts. I have no doubt there will be a Boy Scout model to follow:
http://www.thoughtsfromaconservativemom.com/2011/02/american-heritag e- girls-provides-conservative-alternative-to-girl-scouts-fb/

Never mind that kids don't give a fark about your politics or your fundamentalist religion or your hate for teh gays. They just want to do some fun outdoor stuff and learn some cool skills.

Fundie parents are such controlling assholes.  :(
 
2013-05-23 08:39:14 PM
The historic vote, with 60% in favor, signals another shift in American public opinion about homosexuality but still leaves the organization with many future hurdles.

The hurdles get smaller to the future.

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Kisses, gang.
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2013-05-23 08:39:34 PM
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Its an Ascot.
 
2013-05-23 08:41:19 PM
Good.
 
Skr
2013-05-23 08:43:29 PM
Scouting was a great experience for me as a kid. the adults never pressed any religious aspect and just impressed on us the need to respect nature and people alike. The group a year ahead of me was basically holding the troop together, so when they left it collapsed. great times were had though. exploring, camping, hiking, and general chilling out
 
2013-05-23 08:43:38 PM

abb3w: The historic vote, with 60% in favor, signals another shift in American public opinion about homosexuality but still leaves the organization with many future hurdles.

The hurdles get smaller to the future.

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Kisses, gang.
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Yep, and those who stand in the way, well... history will remember them about like this:
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2013-05-23 08:43:38 PM
Way to half-ass it BSA.
 
2013-05-23 08:46:42 PM
As an Eagle Scout, I'm honestly pleasantly shocked. I never thought they'd actually repeal the ban. The Boy Scouts are a fairly conservatively run organization but I guess even they saw the writing on the wall and realized how stupid it was to keep people out of what is otherwise a decent organization just because they're gay.

Now they just have to turn over the ban for gay scoutmasters/den mothers. But it's one step at a time.
 
2013-05-23 08:48:42 PM
I cannot believe they would justify the ban on openly gay members because their oath includes the two words 'morally' and 'straight' next to each other. That's a really queer way of looking at it.
 
2013-05-23 08:48:54 PM
I'm glad the BSA has opened the door to gays. The next step will be to drop the ban on gay adult leaders which will happen eventually. The old bullshiat prejudice that gay=pedophile is just not prevalent with younger generations.

\Eagle Scout
 
2013-05-23 08:51:09 PM

Infobahn: Way to half-ass it BSA.


Pretty much this. And extra bullshiat points for saying something as stupid as:

The Boy Scouts of America will not sacrifice its mission, or the youth served by the movement, by allowing the organization to be consumed by a single, divisive, and unresolved societal issue

Nah. It was resolved. Homophobes are cretins. It was decided a while back. Sorry you missed the memo.
 
2013-05-23 08:54:21 PM

Arachnophobe: GoldSpider: Oddly enough, he never messed with any kids, and is generally regarded by everyone who knows him a good guy.

Why is that odd?


Because of they gehy?  Amiright?
 
2013-05-23 08:55:19 PM
Soon to be the much smaller "Gay Scouts"
 
2013-05-23 08:57:26 PM

max_pooper: I'm glad the BSA has opened the door to gays. The next step will be to drop the ban on gay adult leaders which will happen eventually. The old bullshiat prejudice that gay=pedophile is just not prevalent with younger generations.

\Eagle Scout


That and they pretty much lost the moral high ground regarding pedophilia after this:

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-scouts-molest-story,0,313001 6. htmlstory
 
2013-05-23 09:00:29 PM

Skr: Scouting was a great experience for me as a kid. the adults never pressed any religious aspect and just impressed on us the need to respect nature and people alike. The group a year ahead of me was basically holding the troop together, so when they left it collapsed. great times were had though. exploring, camping, hiking, and general chilling out


Yup. Same here.
 
2013-05-23 09:04:34 PM
The best part is that they decided this at the Gaylord Texan.
 
2013-05-23 09:05:06 PM
I'm not the only one that thinks that this isn't about equality but about sponsorship money yes?
 
2013-05-23 09:08:08 PM
It's a start.
 
2013-05-23 09:08:46 PM
Progress is good.
 
2013-05-23 09:09:24 PM
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2013-05-23 09:17:52 PM

orbister: nekom: Honestly, did not expect that, it's a private organization after all so it's entirely their business

What about that congressional charter banning rival scout (and guide) organisations?


Doesn't do so.  The U. S. does have alternatives to BSA.  Here's one:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navigators_USA
 
2013-05-23 09:18:01 PM
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Some of them dig chicks.
 
2013-05-23 09:19:37 PM

Flragnararch: I'm not the only one that thinks that this isn't about equality but about sponsorship money yes?


I really think they're trying to cover their ass after they covered up decades of sexual abuse by Scoutmasters.

One of the main reasons they didn't want gays in the scouts according to them was to protect them from pedophiles but when that story leaked by the LA Times, that talking point went up in smoke.
 
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