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2013-05-23 07:45:16 PM
Just be careful where you pitch your tent son, and sleep on your back.
 
2013-05-23 07:46:28 PM

DarwiOdrade: The military survived it with hardly a hiccup - I think the scouts will be just fine.


The military isn't largely funded by religious organizations either.  I'm more worried about the scouts who have been manipulated in this debate to the conclusion that homosexuality is "wrong".
 
2013-05-23 07:47:12 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: Weaver95: their clubhouse, their rules.  if they decided to change 'em, then that's their prerogative.

Except when they get preferential treatment from government organizations. Then it's my clubhouse they're using.


think of it this way - would you rather the BSA get 'special treatment' or a couple of megacorps?  given the choice, i'm prepared to let things slide for the scouts.
 
2013-05-23 07:47:34 PM
This is excellent news! Gay kids have a tough enough time growing up, having to face abuse from bigots and homophobes (not to mention the parents who sometimes disown them). This kind of peer support can go a long way in making sure they grow up to be decent, well-adjusted human beings.
 
2013-05-23 07:48:41 PM

GoldSpider: DarwiOdrade: The military survived it with hardly a hiccup - I think the scouts will be just fine.

The military isn't largely funded by religious organizations either.  I'm more worried about the scouts who have been manipulated in this debate to the conclusion that homosexuality is "wrong".


Maybe those religious types will pull out before donating their load....of cash.

/couldn't help myself
 
2013-05-23 07:48:50 PM

Fjornir: nekom: This one.  Well played.  Honestly, did not expect that, it's a private organization after all so it's entirely their business, but it's good to see some acceptance.

Well, except for all the public funds and free use of government facilities, I'd agree with you.

I think the threat of loss of government sponsorship probably had a lot to do with this decision...


Perhaps, but even if they're right for the wrong reasons, it's good to see the cause of equality and acceptance advanced.  So I suppose in any case, this news gets two thumbs up from me.
 
2013-05-23 07:49:00 PM
I wonder if the evangelical megachurches will try and force a schism in scouting?  they aren't going to like this news at all.  of course, the evangelicals are more than welcome to found their own private organization that excludes gays from it's ranks...but that will cost quite a lot of money, and well...they ARE prosperity gospel types.
 
2013-05-23 07:49:42 PM

Weaver95: Lenny_da_Hog: Weaver95: their clubhouse, their rules.  if they decided to change 'em, then that's their prerogative.

Except when they get preferential treatment from government organizations. Then it's my clubhouse they're using.

think of it this way - would you rather the BSA get 'special treatment' or a couple of megacorps?  given the choice, i'm prepared to let things slide for the scouts.


Well, think of it this way -- would you like a fundamentalist church to get special treatment or a couple of megacorps? Would you like the KKK to get special treatment, or a couple of megacorps? Would you like Greenpeace to get special treatment or a couple of megacorps?

Any group looks good when you compare it to megacorps!
 
2013-05-23 07:49:50 PM
FABULOUS!
 
2013-05-23 07:50:07 PM
Wait, kakhai shorts are gay?

*Looks in dresser*

shiat...
 
2013-05-23 07:50:24 PM
Good.

Never knew this was even an issue when I was in scouts  a million years ago.  assholes.
 
2013-05-23 07:50:31 PM

WordyGrrl: This kind of peer support can go a long way in making sure they grow up to be decent, well-adjusted human beings.


...which will then be excluded from volunteering or working for BSA because they're immoral homosexuals.
 
2013-05-23 07:50:36 PM
Great another group that is letting in rapists.
 
2013-05-23 07:50:50 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: Weaver95: Lenny_da_Hog: Weaver95: their clubhouse, their rules.  if they decided to change 'em, then that's their prerogative.

Except when they get preferential treatment from government organizations. Then it's my clubhouse they're using.

think of it this way - would you rather the BSA get 'special treatment' or a couple of megacorps?  given the choice, i'm prepared to let things slide for the scouts.

Well, think of it this way -- would you like a fundamentalist church to get special treatment or a couple of megacorps? Would you like the KKK to get special treatment, or a couple of megacorps? Would you like Greenpeace to get special treatment or a couple of megacorps?

Any group looks good when you compare it to megacorps!


what the hell are you talking about...?
 
2013-05-23 07:51:09 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: Weaver95: their clubhouse, their rules.  if they decided to change 'em, then that's their prerogative.

Except when they get preferential treatment from government organizations. Then it's my clubhouse they're using.


Good point.  My first grader came home with a flyer for joining the cub scouts.  His teacher put these into the "Thursday folder" of all the boys in the class.
 
2013-05-23 07:51:29 PM

Weaver95: their clubhouse, their rules.  if they decided to change 'em, then that's their prerogative.


That's why I attended their rally in Mechanicsburg in opposition of the ban.  The change needed to come from within.

Lenny_da_Hog: Except when they get preferential treatment from government organizations. Then it's my clubhouse they're using.


I'm pretty sure the BSA had to forsake any government assistance if they were to be allowed to discriminate.  I could be wrong though.
 
2013-05-23 07:51:48 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: WordyGrrl: This kind of peer support can go a long way in making sure they grow up to be decent, well-adjusted human beings.

...which will then be excluded from volunteering or working for BSA because they're immoral homosexuals.


Right now.  Here is hoping that will change in the near future also.
 
2013-05-23 07:51:56 PM
As an Eagle Scout, I'm getting a kick...

Its just a matter of time before the gay youth are allowed to be gay adults. How can they allow a kid to become the pinnacle of what the BSA stands for and then say "good job, get out"?
 
2013-05-23 07:52:02 PM

buzzcut73: Mitt Romneys Tax Return: FTFA:
Austin Ruse, president of the Catholic Family and Human Rights Institute in Washington, D.C., said the shift "would utterly change Scouting and dramatically reduce their ranks. The Catholic and Mormon groups would simply have to walk away."

And another group of bigots with "Family" in their name. Good for the Scouts; it's about damn time.

I'd be OK with the religious groups walking away, they kind of took over for the past couple of decades and screwed things up.

/Former non-gay boy scout
//We had gay kids in my troop, as well as a few others
///Nobody really gave a shiat


You don't know BS history if you think they just recently took over.  Two things - it started as a military and religious prep organization.
 
2013-05-23 07:52:17 PM

nekom: Fjornir: nekom: This one.  Well played.  Honestly, did not expect that, it's a private organization after all so it's entirely their business, but it's good to see some acceptance.

Well, except for all the public funds and free use of government facilities, I'd agree with you.

I think the threat of loss of government sponsorship probably had a lot to do with this decision...

Perhaps, but even if they're right for the wrong reasons, it's good to see the cause of equality and acceptance advanced.  So I suppose in any case, this news gets two thumbs up from me.


Great news, I'm not trying to say otherwise. I'm just pointing out it isn't "entirely their business".

Given the amount of government support they get it is our business too.
 
2013-05-23 07:52:49 PM

WordyGrrl: This is excellent news! Gay kids have a tough enough time growing up, having to face abuse from bigots and homophobes (not to mention the parents who sometimes disown them). This kind of peer support can go a long way in making sure they grow up to be decent, well-adjusted human beings.


The times they are a'changing.  Hell even when I was a kid in the not so long ago 1980s, people weren't openly gay for the most part.  Now they are, and that's what's driving this.  I'm not gay, but I know gay people.  Beloved family of mine and my wife's happen to be gay.  I'm not alone in that.  When you put a face to it, it takes it from being an abstract concept "Should gays have equal rights?"  into something a lot more personal "Should my uncle, aunt, sister, brother, etc. who happens to be gay have the same rights that I do?"  That, I believe, is what's truly behind this social shift, and I applaud any advances toward full equality, however small the boy scout thing may seem to be.
 
2013-05-23 07:52:52 PM

Weaver95: Lenny_da_Hog: Weaver95: their clubhouse, their rules.  if they decided to change 'em, then that's their prerogative.

Except when they get preferential treatment from government organizations. Then it's my clubhouse they're using.

think of it this way - would you rather the BSA get 'special treatment' or a couple of megacorps?  given the choice, i'm prepared to let things slide for the scouts.


You're smarter than that...It's not a 'either/or' choice.
 
2013-05-23 07:53:25 PM

TheWhoppah: So, are the Boys Scouts still a hate group or does this fix that?


I'm pretty sure the "hating" came from the adults and a bunch of asshole religious leaders. I'd wager the actual scouts had fark-all to do with it.
 
2013-05-23 07:53:30 PM
People would have an issue if the school sent home little adverts for the students to join Hitler Youth so I'm not sure why this is any different.
 
2013-05-23 07:53:31 PM

NaziKamikaze: You don't know BS history if you think they just recently took over. Two things - it started as a military and religious prep organization.


And they allowed racially segregated troops until forced by a lawsuit to stop in 19-freaking-74.
 
2013-05-23 07:53:35 PM

Weaver95: Lenny_da_Hog: Weaver95: their clubhouse, their rules.  if they decided to change 'em, then that's their prerogative.

Except when they get preferential treatment from government organizations. Then it's my clubhouse they're using.

think of it this way - would you rather the BSA get 'special treatment' or a couple of megacorps?  given the choice, i'm prepared to let things slide for the scouts.


Then commit to it. Go all in, man. Take that torch and run with it all the way to Washington, DC. Lead the way already, don't just quibble here.

/hahahaha
//yeah, shiat or get off the pot
///that's what I am really saying Weaver95

*drops mic*
 
2013-05-23 07:54:59 PM

Arachnophobe: GoldSpider: Oddly enough, he never messed with any kids, and is generally regarded by everyone who knows him a good guy.

Why is that odd?


The awesomeness of your two logins aside, this is the core reason why they want to ban gays.  Because in their minds gay = pedo/child predator.
 
2013-05-23 07:55:52 PM
Good job scouts!  Now, let's have a Photoshop contest on new merit badges that can be earned.

/Eagle Scout
 
2013-05-23 07:56:35 PM

Weaver95: what the hell are you talking about...?


Why do the Boy Scouts deserve special access to government assets only when you compare them to megacorporations?
 
2013-05-23 07:57:11 PM
what was the Fabulous tag getting its hurs did?
 
2013-05-23 07:57:28 PM

TheWhoppah: People would have an issue if the school sent home little adverts for the students to join Hitler Youth so I'm not sure why this is any different.


Asshole teach.  All that moron knows about the scouts is that they do community service and go on camping trips.  Stupid biatch trying to make my kid into some little Nazi.
 
2013-05-23 07:57:59 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: They're still a group of bigots. They still say you can't be moral if you're non-religious.

Also, they still say gays aren't suitable to be scout leaders and volunteers --  basically, they're accepting gays into the ranks while telling them how awful they will be as adults.


They're a semi-religious organization so yeah no duh they're going to say atheists are immoral; probably never changing that one
As for the 2nd part, if the non-African based Anglicans get more influence then that's probably out the window too
 
2013-05-23 07:58:28 PM

NaziKamikaze: Because in their minds gay = pedo/child predator


You skipped a step. Their logic works like this like this: kinky -> bi -> gay = pervert = pedo/child predator
 
2013-05-23 07:59:42 PM
Congrats for destroying another institution of American culture.
Might as well get rid of the Boy Scout oath while you are at it.

On my honor, I will do my best
To do my duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law;
To help other people at all times;
To keep myself physically strong, mentally awake and morally straight.


How the hell can you do your duty to God, and be morally straight, if they accept
homosexuals?
 
2013-05-23 08:00:44 PM
I will keep posting this in these threads until someone finds it to be as funny as I do.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-05-23 08:00:55 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-05-23 08:01:16 PM

GoldSpider: Weaver95: their clubhouse, their rules.  if they decided to change 'em, then that's their prerogative.

That's why I attended their rally in Mechanicsburg in opposition of the ban.  The change needed to come from within.

Lenny_da_Hog: Except when they get preferential treatment from government organizations. Then it's my clubhouse they're using.

I'm pretty sure the BSA had to forsake any government assistance if they were to be allowed to discriminate.  I could be wrong though.


They got special dispensation from the Bush administration to continue to use army bases for their jamborees, for example, after several states started saying "no" because of their prejudice.
 
2013-05-23 08:01:40 PM

Weaver95: I wonder if the evangelical megachurches will try and force a schism in scouting?  they aren't going to like this news at all.  of course, the evangelicals are more than welcome to found their own private organization that excludes gays from it's ranks...but that will cost quite a lot of money, and well...they ARE prosperity gospel types.


A couple of them already exist.
 
2013-05-23 08:01:41 PM

p51d007: Congrats for destroying another institution of American culture.


Yeah, I k new this would happen once we got rid of Jim Crow.

p51d007: How the hell can you do your duty to God, and be morally straight, if they accept
homosexuals?


It makes more sense if you aren't hung up on bronze-age morality.
 
2013-05-23 08:03:08 PM
Wait, how is a scout supposed to remain morally straight now?

This is an OUTRAGE!
 
2013-05-23 08:04:05 PM
HOTY candidate.
 
2013-05-23 08:04:05 PM
The ban on gays was only 22 years old?  Huh.
 
2013-05-23 08:05:18 PM

TheWhoppah: People would have an issue if the school sent home little adverts for the students to join Hitler Youth so I'm not sure why this is any different.


You do know Hitler Youth was patterned after Scouts?  Hitler so admired BP.s methods he plagiarized almost the whole system, then added a lot Fatherland mythology.  I was touring the Anne Frank museum in Atlanta and was immediately struck by the HY display (which really was well done).
 
2013-05-23 08:05:53 PM

NaziKamikaze: Arachnophobe: GoldSpider: Oddly enough, he never messed with any kids, and is generally regarded by everyone who knows him a good guy.

Why is that odd?

The awesomeness of your two logins aside, this is the core reason why they want to ban gays.  Because in their minds gay = pedo/child predator.


Eh...

Would you put a straight man in charge of a bunch of 16 and 17 year old girls, out in the woods?

If something inappropriate happened, would that be because he's a "pedophile" or because grown men have been known to be kinda flexible about the age of majority, when the opportunity is there.

/difficulty: I think the ban is moronic.
//double difficulty: also not a troll
 
2013-05-23 08:05:56 PM
Aren't scouts 12 years old or something? How many "openly gay" 12 year olds are there? Can't remember any at my school.
 
2013-05-23 08:07:20 PM

NaziKamikaze: Wait, how is a scout supposed to remain morally straight now?

This is an OUTRAGE!


I never understood that. I had always considered that phrase to mean you behaved morally as opposed to being morally crooked.
 
2013-05-23 08:07:27 PM

brapbrapbrap: Aren't scouts 12 years old or something?

 
2013-05-23 08:07:55 PM

brapbrapbrap: Aren't scouts 12 years old or something? How many "openly gay" 12 year olds are there? Can't remember any at my school.


It's more about the 17-year-olds who were getting thrown out.
 
2013-05-23 08:08:05 PM

bdub77: brapbrapbrap: Aren't scouts 12 years old or something?


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2013-05-23 08:08:41 PM

brapbrapbrap: Aren't scouts 12 years old or something? How many "openly gay" 12 year olds are there? Can't remember any at my school.


Scouts are up to 18 aren't they?
 
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