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2013-05-23 08:00:28 PM
Texas Library First Ever All-Digital Facility

My first thought:

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2013-05-23 08:03:18 PM
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2013-05-23 08:22:47 PM
"I think we're at an advantage there," she said. "They've never had a library with books - there's not even a bookstore here."

Ah, Texas.
 
2013-05-23 08:40:19 PM
There were libraries before books, so yes.
 
2013-05-23 08:46:18 PM
The real question is whether you can justify an Apple Store clone physical space to your taxpayers when every single appliance you had is in a pawn shop, stolen, or broken.

Good luck with that model.  Seriously - don't worry about a thing.  I mean, look at JC Penney - their copycatting of Apple Store ideas worked out wonderfully!
 
2013-05-23 09:06:15 PM
Not Pleased...

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2013-05-23 09:33:57 PM
wordsummit.files.wordpress.com

Don't worry, they'll still have books in the future. They'll just all be in Klingon.
 
2013-05-23 09:34:48 PM
It's all fun and games until the Kindle Servers Shut down.


You see these older movies of a sci-fi future where all human knowledge was lost and books crumble on the shelves. And wonder "How the fark could that happen"....now we know.
 
2013-05-23 10:09:36 PM
Is this about the GWB Presidential Library?

/didn't rtfa
 
2013-05-23 10:15:08 PM
Many libraries already have ebooks and audiobooks available through Library 2 Go.

I prefer physical books myself, but I think we should make books as accessible as possible to the public. I have no problem with ebooks being just one more tool in the toolbox.
 
2013-05-23 10:19:32 PM
"Computer-burnin'" doesn't have the same ring.
 
2013-05-23 11:33:42 PM
SSSSSHHHHHHHHH!
 
2013-05-23 11:36:59 PM
e-books suck and don't pay enough royalties to justify all my time spent scribbling.

10% of $20 is bad enough but 10% of $5?

yeah....I know...boo hoo hoo...you didn't feel bad pirating all those tom petty songs in '01 did ya? did ya? no, not like now.

i'm sorry, tom :(
 
2013-05-23 11:37:21 PM
How many of you have found gems and new favorite authors just by browsing books next to one another in a library?
 
2013-05-23 11:41:07 PM

fusillade762: "I think we're at an advantage there," she said. "They've never had a library with books - there's not even a bookstore here."

Ah, Texas.


Bexar County, Texas, to boot.

/Much like Dante's Inferno, you'll find that there are actually different levels of Texas.
//*sigh*
 
2013-05-23 11:44:58 PM
At least now when someone gets offended by a book they won't have to have one of those pesky book burnings.

Just hit the DELETE button.
 
2013-05-23 11:47:17 PM

Donnchadha:


Done in 2.
 
2013-05-23 11:47:44 PM
Ah, the return to scrolls.
 
2013-05-23 11:47:52 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: The real question is whether you can justify an Apple Store clone physical space to your taxpayers when every single appliance you had is in a pawn shop, stolen, or broken.

Good luck with that model.  Seriously - don't worry about a thing.  I mean, look at JC Penney - their copycatting of Apple Store ideas worked out wonderfully!


www.blogcdn.com
Hey it's that obscure underground song that's constantly playing everywhere
 
2013-05-23 11:48:34 PM
Seems odd to have a building for an all digital library.  I wonder if they realize the building isn't necessary.
 
2013-05-23 11:50:27 PM

Old enough to know better: At least now when someone gets offended by a book they won't have to have one of those pesky book burnings.

Just hit the DELETE button.


You sound like a spammer.
 
2013-05-23 11:53:24 PM
San Antonio is in Bexar County and is where this library is. A quick Google search for San Antonio Bookstores shows 10 on the first page. Not sure why he commented there were no bookstores.
 
2013-05-23 11:54:48 PM

HalfOffOffer: Seems odd to have a building for an all digital library.  I wonder if they realize the building isn't necessary.


Where else will the homeless bathe?
 
2013-05-24 12:03:02 AM
Well, obviously if the Vashta Nerada eat all of the books in the library.
 
2013-05-24 12:03:23 AM
Nope.  A library contains books, not text files.
 
2013-05-24 12:07:22 AM
OP's not been to a university campus in the last 5 years, I take it.

/451 farenheit's got nothing on 69.171.237.32
 
2013-05-24 12:08:15 AM

CaptSS: San Antonio is in Bexar County and is where this library is. A quick Google search for San Antonio Bookstores shows 10 on the first page. Not sure why he commented there were no bookstores.


FTA: Laura Cole said it is the key to bringing books to low-income areas of the county that currently do not have access to libraries.

Just a badly written article. I think the quote was intended as a continuation of the comment about the poor parts of the county. Which parts, specifically, I'm not sure: they sort of outnumber the wealthy parts...
 
2013-05-24 12:09:24 AM

HalfOffOffer: Seems odd to have a building for an all digital library.  I wonder if they realize the building isn't necessary.


Well, for the books part, yes. But a library, at least in my experience, is so much more. It was a community center. I remember going to my library to see movies, authors, and lectures. I live in a "new" area of Salt Lake County, and they just built a library here. I figure it's barely a tenth of the size of the one that served the similarly sized community that I grew up in. And it's quite adequate for said community.
 
2013-05-24 12:12:05 AM

mrlewish: How many of you have found gems and new favorite authors just by browsing books next to one another in a library?


This was my thought.  The advantage of book stacks is the ability to find something you weren't explicitly looking for.

This isn't just important for finding a new favorite author.  In academic research, you can gain a lot by randomly sifting through subject areas in a university library.  About half of my published work came from some random knowledge I happened to have when approaching a research problem, knowledge that came from random reading.

That being said, some dead-tree libraries are also pretty useless for browsing.
 
2013-05-24 12:17:51 AM
WTF is subby smoking?  They have books.  They have thousands of books.  What they don't have is  paper.

And, as has been pointed out, I don't understand the purpose of having a physical building to distribute digital books.  I've been borrowing audiobooks and ebooks from libraries for years.  Since this service was made available, the only time I've gone to the library in meatspace is to sign up for my library cards.  Seems like a waste of money.
 
2013-05-24 12:19:55 AM

Xcott: This was my thought.  The advantage of book stacks is the ability to find something you weren't explicitly looking for.


You can find similar in a torrent of 40,000 books.

/or so I've heard
 
2013-05-24 12:22:09 AM
www.strangecosmos.com
 
2013-05-24 12:22:14 AM

maxpower007: Well, obviously if the Vashta Nerada eat all of the books in the library.


Look.  Me.  Up.
 
2013-05-24 12:23:41 AM
A library where you can't touch the books...

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2013-05-24 12:23:48 AM
 
2013-05-24 12:23:59 AM
Is it possible to have a library get patent-trolled by Apple? We'll soon find out.
 
2013-05-24 12:24:03 AM
www.washingtonpost.com
What's that big empty thing on the top?

That's his head, but that doesn't matter now.



Ah, cousin George, still my tenth cousin once removed.

He's removed. That's the important thing.

I have to laugh every time I see one of these genealogical studies linking the bête-noires of one political party or the other, such as the Warren Buffett-Jesse James genealogy I found and copied (the real Jesse James, not the celeb).

Sure Warren Buffet and Obama are cousins. So are Dick Cheney, Warren  Buffett, George W. Boucher and Obama. In fact, they're all cousins to me. Both George Bush and I are cousins to Bette Davis and Emily Dickenson. Like in the SF story "9 billion grandmothers", it's grandmothers all the way done, baby!

The soil we tread on is made of old cousins and kept living by very distant cousins. We are made of star dust and every thing that lived before us.

As for libraries, I have a largish one in addition to hoarding comic books, DVDs, VHS tapes, Blu-Rays and several of my favourite magazines. Bring on the digitalization. These things could literally be the death of me. My Kindle, Kobo, Netbook and Laptop are my life lines to sanity. I'm thinking of getting a tablet, maybe even a Dread iPad.

Our local library loans out e-books and has done so for a number of years. I have only borrowed one or two, but hey, it's a great idea. Loaning books actually sells books. I've known a couple of video stores to donate their old stock to the public library. It's too bad they don't have the budget for a lot more. I watched a lot of great stuff when I was unemployed, but it is a hap-hazard and scanty collection compared to what I have a home. And this is a town of 1,000,000 people--as big as ancient Rome, Babylon or 19th century London.

I hope paper books never die. They can be used even in a black out. They are dirt cheap (the physical book accounts for about $2 of the price of the book, which is why e-books are disappointingly "expensive", but they last for years, decades, centuries even depending on how well you take care of them and the quality of the binding.

Thomas Jefferson said a good book lasts as long as a house. He meant the kind of house that is still going strong after 200 years--his house, for example. They are a capital good, not a consumer good, although many books are just consumables to their readers, even classic books that occasionally experience a vogue.

I love books. That's why I have too many of the feckers. Way, way too many.

Sadly, not every book is available to every person all of the time. But we can fix that.
 
2013-05-24 12:26:07 AM
And yes, I know there is a difference between copyright and a patent. Copyright-trolled just doesn't roll off the tongue as nicely.
 
2013-05-24 12:26:52 AM

jtown: WTF is subby smoking?  They have books.  They have thousands of books.  What they don't have is  paper.

And, as has been pointed out, I don't understand the purpose of having a physical building to distribute digital books.  I've been borrowing audiobooks and ebooks from libraries for years.  Since this service was made available, the only time I've gone to the library in meatspace is to sign up for my library cards.  Seems like a waste of money.


I think that goes to the target population they're trying to reach. Poor people might be lacking the necessary hardware...

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2013-05-24 12:29:00 AM

Harry_Seldon: A library where you can't touch the books...

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Holy shiat, when did the British Library move George III's library?  I was there in 2000 and it was in a beautiful display around an elevator shaft.  (Sorry for the crappy 2000 quality of this picture.)

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2013-05-24 12:31:48 AM
The great thing about most North American libraries is that you can wander through the stacks and discover stuff at random. You can touch the books.

In Europe, many libraries require you to look up a book, order it and then wait for the library clerks to fetch i from the hidden stacks. You never know what you're getting that way. I like to browse and then decide what I want-like a bookstore.

The European system is better for protecting books from readers but tthe American system is better for freedom of the reader and the books to combine in weird, wonderful and mysterious ways.

I guess you need both systems, especially for archival quality materials that need protecting and the kind of book that needs to be discovered by each and every reader for themselves so that it is their little secret even if it is sold in the millions each year.

If I were rich I would have a Great Library. The kind that seem to go on forever in a labyrinth of rich bindings and high shelves reachable by ladders and cherry-pickers. The bibliomania is upon me. But libraries are important. Business talks about synergy, but librarians do it.
 
2013-05-24 12:34:24 AM

trentrockport: Well, for the books part, yes. But a library, at least in my experience, is so much more. It was a community center. I remember going to my library to see movies, authors, and lectures.


Libraries also provide a place for people without computers to get on the internet. They have space for tutors and study groups for kids, community groups and gaming clubs for adults.
They're a place for people to go work when they need some place that is quiet, or to get some air conditioning during a hot Texas summer.
 
2013-05-24 12:39:50 AM

Bumblefark: jtown: WTF is subby smoking?  They have books.  They have thousands of books.  What they don't have is  paper.

And, as has been pointed out, I don't understand the purpose of having a physical building to distribute digital books.  I've been borrowing audiobooks and ebooks from libraries for years.  Since this service was made available, the only time I've gone to the library in meatspace is to sign up for my library cards.  Seems like a waste of money.

I think that goes to the target population they're trying to reach. Poor people might be lacking the necessary hardware...

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When's the last time you saw someone without a cell phone?  Homeless people have cell phones (which they charge at the library).  Got a $75 android phone?  You've got an ereader.
 
2013-05-24 12:44:09 AM
I need to pull out a dictionary to see what the word "book" means.  Oh wait, there is no dictionary book? Oh no! We are farked!
 
2013-05-24 12:45:36 AM
Dont worry, the building itself is the book.
 
2013-05-24 12:56:19 AM

mrlewish: How many of you have found gems and new favorite authors just by browsing books next to one another in a library?


Never.  The answer is never.

I've found plenty of new gems using Amazon's recommended for you list.

I'm not even young.  At 44, the last time I was a library was when I was in college.  After that, I may, MAY have found a random book at a bookstore   But for total reading consumption?  The whole eBook craze has resulted in me reading far more diverse areas than I ever would in the old days.  I love it.

The biggest problem with a library is the time limit you have to finish a book.  Even if you "discover" a new author you want to read, you have a limit on when you can read that book.
 
2013-05-24 01:17:37 AM

Lsherm: The biggest problem with a library is the time limit you have to finish a book.  Even if you "discover" a new author you want to read, you have a limit on when you can read that book.


Yes the biggest problem with a library is that the library is not your personal collection.

Lsherm: mrlewish: How many of you have found gems and new favorite authors just by browsing books next to one another in a library?

Never.  The answer is never.

I've found plenty of new gems using Amazon's recommended for you list.


I've had the opposite experience - Library browsing has revealed tons on books I wasn't looking for - books I'm glad I ran into.  Amazon's recommendation algorithm seems rather confused about my taste; unless it is recommending something else by the same author, it is usually way off base. (although to Amazon's credit Netflix's recommendation system is much worse).

/but hey if it works for others, great
 
2013-05-24 01:29:20 AM
Bexar County has never had a public library, so Cole thinks the benefits will be substantial.

Bullshiat.  That sentence is only technically correct.  The county has not gotten into the public library business because the City of San Antonio has spread out to over 90% of Bexar county and have had a public library system for a very long time now....  these farkers are making us all look like we are living in the farking sticks!!!!

/lives in Bexar county
//san Antonian
 
2013-05-24 01:32:31 AM

AliceBToklasLives: Lsherm: The biggest problem with a library is the time limit you have to finish a book.  Even if you "discover" a new author you want to read, you have a limit on when you can read that book.

Yes the biggest problem with a library is that the library is not your personal collection.

Lsherm: mrlewish: How many of you have found gems and new favorite authors just by browsing books next to one another in a library?

Never.  The answer is never.

I've found plenty of new gems using Amazon's recommended for you list.

I've had the opposite experience - Library browsing has revealed tons on books I wasn't looking for - books I'm glad I ran into.  Amazon's recommendation algorithm seems rather confused about my taste; unless it is recommending something else by the same author, it is usually way off base. (although to Amazon's credit Netflix's recommendation system is much worse).

/but hey if it works for others, great


It's a personal experience.  Pre-Kindle I read about 20 books a year.  Now I average about 100.  Granted, a lot of those books a schlock that I can get through in two days, but Amazon has really worked for non-fiction recommendations.  I read "Crash Course: The American Automobile Industry's Road from Glory to Disaster " and was recommended later "Dark Tide: The Great Molasses Flood of 1919 " which are two completely unrelated topics, but both deal with government responses to company crises in America.  I would not have stumbled upon the second book at a library.

There seems to be two schools of thought these days about libraries:  the first is that they provide books, the second is that they encourage reading.  I'm firmly in the latter camp, and whatever they have to do to reach that goal I'm on board with.  For years they've only been servicing a very small section of the populace who already want to read.  I'd like them to branch out into getting more people to read by any means necessary.
 
2013-05-24 01:32:41 AM

jtown: WTF is subby smoking?  They have books.  They have thousands of books.  What they don't have is  paper.

And, as has been pointed out, I don't understand the purpose of having a physical building to distribute digital books.  I've been borrowing audiobooks and ebooks from libraries for years.  Since this service was made available, the only time I've gone to the library in meatspace is to sign up for my library cards.  Seems like a waste of money.


You really think they have the budget to hand out free kindles?  Cuz that's what is going to happen if they don't keep them all in a building with a theft detection system.
 
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