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2013-05-23 05:08:49 PM
FTFA:  Further, she argues, men, who are in power in our society, cannot legitimately cry sexism. "You can say [this ad is] prejudiced, in bad taste, insulting, not funny," she said. "But it can't be sexist. Just like a black person can't be racist. Sexism is a word with a very specific meaning, which is a certain group having more access than another group to the things that make life worth living, such as high wages and good housing."


Um...
 
2013-05-23 05:19:20 PM
I thought I learned everything there was to know about the biological differences between men and women, but I guess I was wrong -- because they've managed to find some men with vaginas. and they are so filled with sand.
 
2013-05-23 05:35:48 PM

Speaker2Animals: I thought I learned everything there was to know about the biological differences between men and women, but I guess I was wrong -- because they've managed to find some men with vaginas. and they are so filled with sand.


And on top of that, that commercial sucked...
 
2013-05-23 05:37:07 PM
The most offensive thing about that commercial is how it tries to make 5 seconds of joke last 60 seconds
 
2013-05-23 05:40:15 PM
I just saw the KMart commercial last night -- "I shipped my pants!"

I was laughing my tits off. I can't believe they got away with that.
 
2013-05-23 05:52:01 PM
Adverts do have a track record in the last decade or so of showing men as complete simpletons while the wife is the one who comes up with the answer/solution/explanation etc. But this advert is also stupid for not telling me what the product actually does. It spends most of the advert showing us a daydream of how a man could be improved but doesn't show us what the damn thing they are selling does to improve our TV.

As a rule of thumb if you remade the advert with the genders reversed would it be acceptable. Imagine this advert with the man imagining how his lazy, ugly, slobbish wife could be "improved". Would that be okay?
 
2013-05-23 05:55:36 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: I just saw the KMart commercial last night -- "I shipped my pants!"

I was laughing my tits off. I can't believe they got away with that.


Tivo never ran this ad I don't think, I think they could now...  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwuUyA3fyQg
 
2013-05-23 05:57:39 PM
i.telegraph.co.uk
 
2013-05-23 05:57:42 PM

Anayalator: FTFA:  Further, she argues, men, who are in power in our society, cannot legitimately cry sexism. "You can say [this ad is] prejudiced, in bad taste, insulting, not funny," she said. "But it can't be sexist. Just like a black person can't be racist. Sexism is a word with a very specific meaning, which is a certain group having more access than another group to the things that make life worth living, such as high wages and good housing."


Um...


She's a crackpot.
 
2013-05-23 06:06:37 PM
Who get butthurt over a commercial? Actually, who still watches commercials?
 
2013-05-23 06:08:07 PM
"Maybe it's just always a relief to see men, rather than women (and their butts), as the butt of an advertising joke."

A relief? Every effing commercial involving a husband/wife dynamic portrays the husband as a clueless retard and the wife as the one who sighs and has to fix everything using X product.

There was one last year where wives were talking about training their husbands and housebreaking them. I bet if you flipped the genders you'd never hear the end of it.

It's safe to belittle the group that has it the easiest. But 'relief' my slovenly arse.
 
2013-05-23 06:14:34 PM

Quasar: A relief? Every effing commercial involving a husband/wife dynamic portrays the husband as a clueless retard and the wife as the one who sighs and has to fix everything using X product.


That's also true of most sitcoms.
 
2013-05-23 06:26:57 PM
The dumb primal man meme in modern advertising certainly is overplayed, but this is hardly worth getting upset about.

Now dumb blonde jokes never get old.
 
2013-05-23 06:48:39 PM
On the one hand yes, if the roles were reversed, we'd not hear the end of it. On the other, meh.
 
2013-05-23 07:00:21 PM
What I find offensive are those god damn stupid Dr Pepper 10 commercials. I'm insulted that some marketing flunkie thought I'd watch that and buy their shiat product.
 
2013-05-23 07:00:39 PM

Mentat: The dumb primal man meme in modern advertising certainly is overplayed, but this is hardly worth getting upset about.

Now dumb blonde jokes never get old.


Agree.
 
2013-05-23 07:01:37 PM

Mugato: Quasar: A relief? Every effing commercial involving a husband/wife dynamic portrays the husband as a clueless retard and the wife as the one who sighs and has to fix everything using X product.

That's also true of most sitcoms.


Thanks a lot, Tim Allen.
 
2013-05-23 07:02:26 PM

Flint Ironstag: Adverts do have a track record in the last decade or so of showing men as complete simpletons while the wife is the one who comes up with the answer/solution/explanation etc. But this advert is also stupid for not telling me what the product actually does. It spends most of the advert showing us a daydream of how a man could be improved but doesn't show us what the damn thing they are selling does to improve our TV.

As a rule of thumb if you remade the advert with the genders reversed would it be acceptable. Imagine this advert with the man imagining how his lazy, ugly, slobbish wife could be "improved". Would that be okay?


I (as a gal) get tired of the sitcom trope that men are morons who.can't fix anything, can't "babysit" there own dang kids, and are incapable of anything except being sexist pigs.

And Samsung is insulting the demographic they are marketing to?!? This ad is beyond stupid.

You're a farking moron, now buy our product.

Brilliant
 
2013-05-23 07:02:53 PM
men are the only ones who can be sexist and whites are the only ones who can be racists too bad libs
 
2013-05-23 07:03:29 PM
Looks like Bjork got a new gig.
 
2013-05-23 07:04:16 PM
I was offended, but then I thought of white male privilege and now I realize it was my fault
 
2013-05-23 07:06:21 PM
Chariset
The most offensive thing about that commercial is how it tries to make 5 seconds of joke last 60 seconds


Yeah, I don't really see why this lame thing should be worse than the usual "he's being a moran, but she and $product save the day" commercials.
 
2013-05-23 07:07:44 PM
Perhaps the only people that got "outraged" by the commercial are the same people that want everyone to watch the said commercial.
 
2013-05-23 07:10:35 PM
Gail Dines, an expert on sexist images in the media and a professor of sociology and women's studies at Wheelock College in Boston, agrees. "It's not funny because it normalizes masculine behavior and makes a joke of it," she told Yahoo! Shine in a phone interview. "It's the reality of many women's lives, who get dinner ready, take care of the children, help with homework and do the housework, while the husbands are, in fact, sloth-like."

She almost made it through without slipping and showing the man hate card. So close. Maybe next time.
 
2013-05-23 07:10:54 PM

RedT: Flint Ironstag: Adverts do have a track record in the last decade or so of showing men as complete simpletons while the wife is the one who comes up with the answer/solution/explanation etc. But this advert is also stupid for not telling me what the product actually does. It spends most of the advert showing us a daydream of how a man could be improved but doesn't show us what the damn thing they are selling does to improve our TV.

As a rule of thumb if you remade the advert with the genders reversed would it be acceptable. Imagine this advert with the man imagining how his lazy, ugly, slobbish wife could be "improved". Would that be okay?

I (as a gal) get tired of the sitcom trope that men are morons who.can't fix anything, can't "babysit" there own dang kids, and are incapable of anything except being sexist pigs.

And Samsung is insulting the demographic they are marketing to?!? This ad is beyond stupid.

You're a farking moron, now buy our product.

Brilliant


So you're saying women don't buy electronics?  That's the man's job?  :)
 
2013-05-23 07:10:58 PM
Oh, a stupid commercial.  How new.
Or not.  There hasn't been more than two or three good commercials in the last decade.

I'm assuming there was some sort of mass layoff back then, out with the knowledgeable people, in with the low paid brats.
At least that's all I can think of by way of an explanation.

This is just another in a line of idiocracy wanna be ads.  The K-mart one is, of course, at the top of that list.
If you liked this, or the k-mart ad, well...
 
2013-05-23 07:11:16 PM

RedT: Flint Ironstag: Adverts do have a track record in the last decade or so of showing men as complete simpletons while the wife is the one who comes up with the answer/solution/explanation etc. But this advert is also stupid for not telling me what the product actually does. It spends most of the advert showing us a daydream of how a man could be improved but doesn't show us what the damn thing they are selling does to improve our TV.

As a rule of thumb if you remade the advert with the genders reversed would it be acceptable. Imagine this advert with the man imagining how his lazy, ugly, slobbish wife could be "improved". Would that be okay?

I (as a gal) get tired of the sitcom trope that men are morons who.can't fix anything, can't "babysit" there own dang kids, and are incapable of anything except being sexist pigs.

And Samsung is insulting the demographic they are marketing to?!? This ad is beyond stupid.

You're a farking moron, now buy our product.

Brilliant


Awfully sexist of you to assume this ad was pointed at men (It's clearly not) and to assume that only men buy TVs (patently stupid).

See how easy it is to fall into that trap?

BRILLIANT
 
2013-05-23 07:11:35 PM
The only thing that commercial is guilty of is is falling right smack into the middle of the uncanny valley

/holy crap did that make me uncomfortable. Creepy as hell.
//It's cute that the empowered woman needs an electronics company to fix the useless man she settled down with because she though she was smart and capable enough to do it herself.
 
2013-05-23 07:11:39 PM
Obligatory
www.sinfest.net
 
2013-05-23 07:12:04 PM
This commercial totally doesn't offend me.

I seem to recall it being common for commericials to have a husband finding a mute button for his wife.
 
2013-05-23 07:12:27 PM
I was an early adopter of Samsung's LED TV.  Paid a huge premium for it.  I had a question for Samsung's customer relations department.  Will this help me feel less abandoned?  (I'm male -- if that helps.)
 
2013-05-23 07:13:05 PM
well, she married the guy on the couch, not the one in her dream.  he farts when he wants to and eats fried chicken in sweatpants on a couch while watching an awesome tv while she wears a business suit presumably on her way somewhere important just after walking out of the kitchen.  who's the stupid one?
 
2013-05-23 07:14:42 PM

Boojum2k: Anayalator: FTFA:  Further, she argues, men, who are in power in our society, cannot legitimately cry sexism. "You can say [this ad is] prejudiced, in bad taste, insulting, not funny," she said. "But it can't be sexist. Just like a black person can't be racist. Sexism is a word with a very specific meaning, which is a certain group having more access than another group to the things that make life worth living, such as high wages and good housing."


Um...

She's a crackpot.


Or, a product of our modern university system. My wife was told that same crap by one of her professors. Fortunately, the class didn't let him get away with it.
 
2013-05-23 07:14:46 PM

Anayalator: FTFA:  Further, she argues, men, who are in power in our society, cannot legitimately cry sexism. "You can say [this ad is] prejudiced, in bad taste, insulting, not funny," she said. "But it can't be sexist. Just like a black person can't be racist. Sexism is a word with a very specific meaning, which is a certain group having more access than another group to the things that make life worth living, such as high wages and good housing."


Um...


She's a liberal.
 
2013-05-23 07:15:10 PM
oh. the outrage.
imageshack.us it burns
 
Ral
2013-05-23 07:15:24 PM

Quasar: "Maybe it's just always a relief to see men, rather than women (and their butts), as the butt of an advertising joke."

A relief? Every effing commercial involving a husband/wife dynamic portrays the husband as a clueless retard and the wife as the one who sighs and has to fix everything using X product.


This one doesn't.  And it's fairly amusing, as well:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIIr5Uv5O94
 
2013-05-23 07:16:02 PM
I'm sick of hearing about how men cannot be victims of sexism because society innately gives us privilege and women are in a net worse situation. Society gives men different privileges, but it evens out. Both genders face particular challenges that the other doesn't, and have access to particular privileges that the other doesn't. I will never face the level of risk that women face with regard to sexual assault, and I will probably make more money than most women throughout my life. Women will never face the stress of the expectation of making money, or the dread that they will be unloved and insignificant if they don't make partner at the firm, and they do get the benefit of having twelve guys show up at the ready any time they have a flat tire or need a piece of furniture moved.

I used to get so worked up about this that steam would pour from my ears, but lately I've just been shrugging with the satisfaction that people like Gail Dines have little actual influence in society.
 
2013-05-23 07:16:38 PM
Who cares. Most commercials are stupid crap anyway.

Making a big deal out it puts you on their level.
 
2013-05-23 07:16:46 PM
The 'problem' is that men find stereotypes of men to be really funny.  That's why the Man Show was so popular.

Unfortunately, that commercial could've been really funny but failed at that too.
 
2013-05-23 07:16:50 PM
 
2013-05-23 07:17:03 PM

Flint Ironstag: Adverts do have a track record in the last decade or so of showing men as complete simpletons while the wife is the one who comes up with the answer/solution/explanation etc. But this advert is also stupid for not telling me what the product actually does. It spends most of the advert showing us a daydream of how a man could be improved but doesn't show us what the damn thing they are selling does to improve our TV.

As a rule of thumb if you remade the advert with the genders reversed would it be acceptable. Imagine this advert with the man imagining how his lazy, ugly, slobbish wife could be "improved". Would that be okay?


Of course not you misogynist!
 
2013-05-23 07:17:47 PM

Ral: Quasar: "Maybe it's just always a relief to see men, rather than women (and their butts), as the butt of an advertising joke."

A relief? Every effing commercial involving a husband/wife dynamic portrays the husband as a clueless retard and the wife as the one who sighs and has to fix everything using X product.

This one doesn't.  And it's fairly amusing, as well:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIIr5Uv5O94


No that's sexist because the woman didn't give him a weekend fun pass to go out of his hole and do things without her expressed permission.
 
2013-05-23 07:18:10 PM
FTFA: Gail Dines, an expert on sexist images in the media and a professor of sociology and women's studies at Wheelock College in Boston, agrees. "It's not funny because it normalizes masculine behavior and makes a joke of it," she told Yahoo! Shine in a phone interview. "It's the reality of many women's lives, who get dinner ready, take care of the children, help with homework and do the housework, while the husbands are, in fact, sloth-like."
Further, she argues, men, who are in power in our society, cannot legitimately cry sexism. "You can say [this ad is] prejudiced, in bad taste, insulting, not funny," she said. "But it can't be sexist. Just like a black person can't be racist.


1.  Is she upset that there's two more things that white men can do that women can't do?
2.  If only we lived in a free society where women could leave these men that are sloth-like if they so desired.
 
2013-05-23 07:18:58 PM
heh, heh, heh those radical feminazis male-a-nazis can't take a joke. They're fat and ugly biatches dicks with no sense of humor, thoses gals guys are just mad because they're fat and ugly.
 
2013-05-23 07:20:08 PM

SBinRR: 2. If only we lived in a free society where women could leave these men that are sloth-like if they so desired.


You don't get it. ALL men are sloth-like.

She read to much Wonder Woman as a kid and wants to join her on the isle if lesbos where no men are allowed.


/Unfortunately that's just a stupid comic and the isle of lesbos isn't whore island like one would hope.
 
2013-05-23 07:20:34 PM

Crockett: Relevant to this thread's interests.


haha, that was pretty good.
 
2013-05-23 07:20:39 PM

Anayalator: FTFA:  Further, she argues, men, who are in power in our society, cannot legitimately cry sexism. "You can say [this ad is] prejudiced, in bad taste, insulting, not funny," she said. "But it can't be sexist. Just like a black person can't be racist. Sexism is a word with a very specific meaning, which is a certain group having more access than another group to the things that make life worth living, such as high wages and good housing."


Um...


The Adria Richards argument.
 
2013-05-23 07:20:47 PM
"the fallopian jungle"
 
2013-05-23 07:20:50 PM

Anayalator: FTFA:  Further, she argues, men, who are in power in our society, cannot legitimately cry sexism. "You can say [this ad is] prejudiced, in bad taste, insulting, not funny," she said. "But it can't be sexist. Just like a black person can't be racist. Sexism is a word with a very specific meaning, which is a certain group having more access than another group to the things that make life worth living, such as high wages and good housing."


Um...


Yep. Thats the attitude that keeps men laughing at feminists.
keep it up girls. Just for the laughs
 
2013-05-23 07:20:51 PM
media.comicbookmovie.com
 
2013-05-23 07:21:22 PM
We're all better at different things, for instance my wife can't build a piece of furniture out of a pile of rough sawn lumber and I can't complain that it takes three weeks to do it.
 
2013-05-23 07:22:16 PM
I would totally re-braid that woman's hair... or something
 
2013-05-23 07:23:06 PM
www.massager-machines-and-more.com

Still no complaints about the Hitatchi commercial.
 
2013-05-23 07:23:37 PM

Anayalator: Um...


So did you happen to read beyond the line you bolded there? If you had, you might come to greater understanding of another's point of view.
 
2013-05-23 07:24:01 PM

NathanAllen: We're all better at different things, for instance my wife can't build a piece of furniture out of a pile of rough sawn lumber and I can't complain that it takes three weeks to do it.


She can complain for 3 weeks, but I can ignore the pile of dishes in the sink for a month and a half.

/Paper towels make wonderful dishes
//all my liquid intake can come out of a can or bottle. no glasses needed.
///And I've got a swiss army knife I can use as utensils
 
2013-05-23 07:24:20 PM
Having a hard time being outraged since Im not a metrosexual pussy. Y'all have fun though, or whatever it is you pansies do instead of fun.
 
2013-05-23 07:24:55 PM
Outraged dudes need to get the sand out of their vajayjays.
 
2013-05-23 07:25:20 PM

SearchN: Gail Dines, an expert on sexist images in the media and a professor of sociology and women's studies at Wheelock College in Boston, agrees. "It's not funny because it normalizes masculine behavior and makes a joke of it," she told Yahoo! Shine in a phone interview. "It's the reality of many women's lives, who get dinner ready, take care of the children, help with homework and do the housework, while the husbands are, in fact, sloth-like."

She almost made it through without slipping and showing the man hate card. So close. Maybe next time.


Womens studies. And sociology.

hating men goes without saying.

feminism. He girls lets stick it to the men because life was harder for our grandparents.
 
2013-05-23 07:25:27 PM
It's a groaner.
 
2013-05-23 07:26:09 PM

bugontherug: Anayalator: Um...

So did you happen to read beyond the line you bolded there? If you had, you might come to greater understanding of another's point of view.


How is a greater under understanding of the thought process of a retarded person relevant to the discussion.

/sexism is discrimination based on your gender. Not having something someone else wants.
 
2013-05-23 07:27:22 PM
Why is it always the crappy media that causes 'controversy'?


The question whether the commercial is sexist of not, seems sort of secondary to me, considering it is a just a pretty dull and boring commercial in the first place.
 
2013-05-23 07:27:22 PM

Mugato: Quasar: A relief? Every effing commercial involving a husband/wife dynamic portrays the husband as a clueless retard and the wife as the one who sighs and has to fix everything using X product.

That's also true of most sitcoms.


Also the wife has to be svelte and gorgeous and the husband has to be a fat schlub.
 
2013-05-23 07:28:19 PM

mikaloyd: Having a hard time being outraged since Im not a metrosexual pussy. Y'all have fun though, or whatever it is you pansies do instead of fun.


fark YEAH! LETS GET DRUNK AND WATCH RACE CARS! FERRARI SUCKS! GO FORCE INDIA!

/wat? Who wants to root for redbull when you already know they're going to win?
 
2013-05-23 07:28:57 PM

fusillade762: Also the wife has to be svelte and gorgeous and the husband has to be a fat schlub.


queens.brownstoner.com
 
2013-05-23 07:29:19 PM

The Flexecutioner: well, she married the guy on the couch, not the one in her dream.  he farts when he wants to and eats fried chicken in sweatpants on a couch while watching an awesome tv while she wears a business suit presumably on her way somewhere important just after walking out of the kitchen.  who's the stupid one?


This.

My mother taught me that to treat or talk about one's spouse badly only made one look ignorant.

The ad is ignorant.
 
2013-05-23 07:29:54 PM

JonBuck: Mugato: Quasar: A relief? Every effing commercial involving a husband/wife dynamic portrays the husband as a clueless retard and the wife as the one who sighs and has to fix everything using X product.

That's also true of most sitcoms.

Thanks a lot, Tim Allen.


Ray Romano took that to another level.
 
2013-05-23 07:30:12 PM
Replace the husband with a wife, now think about the commercial.  if it seems sexist, then it is.
 
2013-05-23 07:30:20 PM
 
2013-05-23 07:30:42 PM

ForeverTangent: Why is it always the crappy media that causes 'controversy'?


Controversy drives page views. Page views drive ad-revenue.  ad-revenue pays writers.

/only crappy media has to resort to controversy to get viewership.
//See CNN MSNBC ABC FOX et:al
 
2013-05-23 07:31:24 PM

balki1867: fusillade762: Also the wife has to be svelte and gorgeous and the husband has to be a fat schlub.


Good example.

except she's also become quite hefty latley
 
2013-05-23 07:31:42 PM

balki1867: fusillade762: Also the wife has to be svelte and gorgeous and the husband has to be a fat schlub.

[queens.brownstoner.com image 497x373]


That's actually irritating to women. You see "average" or "Below average"  male characters in tv and movies much more frequently than female ones. If the female is "less than" she's usually some older lady/crackpot.
 
2013-05-23 07:33:47 PM
The commercial is funny.  Any man that I can respect would chuckle.  The rest can fark off.

/checks pants...
//Yep, man.
 
2013-05-23 07:33:57 PM

MutantMotherMouse: y mother taught me that to treat or talk about one's spouse badly only made one look ignorant.

The ad is ignorant.


Your mate is considered a reflection of you.  If you choose poorly, it says poor things about you.

/My wife scared away all my friends :(
 
2013-05-23 07:34:09 PM

SplittingAces: Ray Romano took that to another level.


In fairness, that's the only show where he's actually the normal one and everyone around him is batshiat crazy.
 
2013-05-23 07:35:26 PM
I don't think it's sexist. It merely highlights how some women are always trying "fix" their men to their own unrealistic expectations.

*innocent look*
 
2013-05-23 07:35:27 PM

teenage mutant ninja rapist: Good example.

except she's also become quite hefty latley


Good point, better example:

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-05-23 07:35:59 PM
I think  Samsung miscalculated here.  Women make about 80-85% of U. S. household purchase decisions, but smart TV appliances are likely in the other 15% when there's a man in the household.
 
2013-05-23 07:37:33 PM

illannoyin: [www.massager-machines-and-more.com image 820x666]

Still no complaints about the Hitatchi commercial.


She's doing it right.  Someone taught her Lesson 34 of Sinanju.
 
2013-05-23 07:37:51 PM

aerojockey: This commercial totally doesn't offend me.

I seem to recall it being common for commericials to have a husband finding a mute button for his wife.


Shut up and take my money!
 
2013-05-23 07:39:11 PM

BarkingUnicorn: I think  Samsung miscalculated here.  Women make about 80-85% of U. S. household purchase decisions, but smart TV appliances are likely in the other 15% when there's a man in the household.


I think the calculated brilliantly.  They've planted the idea in heads of women that buying their TV, with their new technology, will make their whole lives better.

So then when the dumb broad goes into a store to buy a TV, even a teenaged boy can swindle her into buying several hundred dollars worth of features she will never even use.

/Take that! Manocentric world!
 
2013-05-23 07:39:26 PM
It is sexist, of course.  Very.  Insulting, pathetic and utterly inexusable.  Now, repeat after me, "That's DIFFERENT."  Meh.
 
2013-05-23 07:39:54 PM

BarkingUnicorn: I think  Samsung miscalculated here.  Women make about 80-85% of U. S. household purchase decisions, but smart TV appliances are likely in the other 15% when there's a man in the household.


I think they assumed guys would find it amusing (after all, who doesn't like a fart joke, amirite?). Although I'm surprised so many men have such a low threshold for offense. Seriously, dudes, grow a pair.
 
2013-05-23 07:40:02 PM

The Flexecutioner: well, she married the guy on the couch, not the one in her dream.  he farts when he wants to and eats fried chicken in sweatpants on a couch while watching an awesome tv while she wears a business suit presumably on her way somewhere important just after walking out of the kitchen.  who's the stupid one?


But... she can change him!
What is this ad, if not the idealization of that concept?
 
2013-05-23 07:41:05 PM
Gail Dines needs to get her head out of the 20th century and join the rest of us in the 21st.
 
2013-05-23 07:41:13 PM

fusillade762: Mugato: Quasar: A relief? Every effing commercial involving a husband/wife dynamic portrays the husband as a clueless retard and the wife as the one who sighs and has to fix everything using X product.

That's also true of most sitcoms.

Also the wife has to be svelte and gorgeous and the husband has to be a fat schlub.


Women don't want to watch other women on TV who have it better than them, so the husband on shows is always a loser in some way, usually fat and/or stupid.  Men want to watch hot women, so the wife is always hot.
 
2013-05-23 07:41:29 PM
I can't find it in me to be outraged by ONE variety of male stereotype in media. Overall, we still have it pretty sweet. Avoid the one negative portrayal and you'll see men as executives, tough guys, cowboys, hard workers, good fathers, pretty much anything they want.

Meanwhile, young female eye candy is still a dime a dozen in the very same media. So if you're a (straight) male, you've really got to be a whiny asshole to complain.
 
2013-05-23 07:41:36 PM

Brostorm: Replace the husband with a wife, now think about the commercial.  if it seems sexist, then it is.


"Sexist" isn't the right word for it; "demeaning" is.  One of women's biggest complaints about advertising is that advertisers don't understand what motivates women.  How many women are motivated to buy something because its maker portrays their husbands as idiots and them as smug manipulators?
 
2013-05-23 07:44:13 PM
I suspect that no men were actually angered by this commercial.
 
2013-05-23 07:44:41 PM

Brostorm: Replace the husband with a wife, now think about the commercial.  if it seems sexist, then it is.


Naaw - I don't want a woman to play a metal flute while polishing furniture. Plug that upgrade in, hand her some kneepads, and teach her how to hum in middle "C."

Oh - reality hits as she biatches about the bills, and how we never go anywhere.

There's your actual parity for a commercial like that; Blake's fantasy of lineaments of satisfied desire.

Film it and run it at your risk.
 
2013-05-23 07:44:56 PM

Mitt Romneys Tax Return: BarkingUnicorn: I think  Samsung miscalculated here.  Women make about 80-85% of U. S. household purchase decisions, but smart TV appliances are likely in the other 15% when there's a man in the household.

I think they assumed guys would find it amusing (after all, who doesn't like a fart joke, amirite?). Although I'm surprised so many men have such a low threshold for offense. Seriously, dudes, grow a pair.


Yeah, and women should also learn to take a joke, especially about their tiny, simple brains.
 
2013-05-23 07:45:22 PM

fluffy2097: bugontherug: Anayalator: Um...

So did you happen to read beyond the line you bolded there? If you had, you might come to greater understanding of another's point of view.

How is a greater under understanding of the thought process of a retarded person relevant to the discussion.

/sexism is discrimination based on your gender. Not having something someone else wants.


I don't agree with her definition either--nor yours. But I won't call either of you retarded. Rather, I'll try to encapsulate what's really going on in ways that are fair to both points of view.

1) What really upsets her in the racism/sexism context is white men drawing false moral equivalences between racism by blacks against whites and sexism by women against men. Yes, black people can be racially prejudiced, and women can be sex-prejudiced. But she feels in both contexts that black on white racism/female on male sexism aren't real social problems. Blacks and women have less power to hurt whites/men because of their prejudices than whites/men have to hurt blacks/women because of theirs.

For what it's worth, I absolutely agree with her in the racism context. And 20 years ago I might have agreed with her in the sexism context too.

2) You've confused sexism with sex discrimination. But that's beside the point. What really has you upset is that in your life, you've felt unfairly attacked because either you are white, you are male, or both. You've experienced immense pressure in your life to overcome race and sex based judgments, and you think others should be held to the same standard. So when this professor comes along and says blacks can't be racist, and women can't be sexist, it's an affront to your sense of equity.

I think she's linguistically incorrect. I think her words demonstrate a misunderstanding of linguistics. Words mean what people use them to mean. And people use racism and sexism to describe prejudice based on race and sex, not merely majoritarian prejudice.

But I also think she has a point you can learn from, if you'll take a moment to try to consider the world from a different perspective.
 
2013-05-23 07:45:46 PM
I'm offended by that crazy women's comments at the end, she makes gender rights look crazy because she is crazy.
 
2013-05-23 07:46:32 PM

fluffy2097: miscalculated


 il m

acsculated
 
2013-05-23 07:48:00 PM

plushpuppy: I'm offended by that crazy women's comments at the end, she makes gender rights look crazy because she is crazy.


Like sand through the hourglass figures of their youth, so are the Cary-crays of our lives.
 
2013-05-23 07:48:36 PM

fluffy2097: BarkingUnicorn: I think  Samsung miscalculated here.  Women make about 80-85% of U. S. household purchase decisions, but smart TV appliances are likely in the other 15% when there's a man in the household.

I think the calculated brilliantly.  They've planted the idea in heads of women that buying their TV, with their new technology, will make their whole lives better.


The message is absurd:  a man's going to quit watching TV when you buy him a cool new TV gadget.  Even blondes would go, "AYFKM?" at that one.
 
2013-05-23 07:48:51 PM

The Flexecutioner: well, she married the guy on the couch, not the one in her dream.  he farts when he wants to and eats fried chicken in sweatpants on a couch while watching an awesome tv while she wears a business suit presumably on her way somewhere important just after walking out of the kitchen.  who's the stupid one?


crap, you just described my life till 2012.
 
2013-05-23 07:49:44 PM
"OMG we must keep everybody focused on gender roles and OPPRESSION!"

"Why's that?"

"Cause it's a f*cking huge business and I have a garage full of Hanes T's with sarcastic feminist slogans on them."

"I see."
 
2013-05-23 07:49:49 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Mitt Romneys Tax Return: BarkingUnicorn: I think  Samsung miscalculated here.  Women make about 80-85% of U. S. household purchase decisions, but smart TV appliances are likely in the other 15% when there's a man in the household.

I think they assumed guys would find it amusing (after all, who doesn't like a fart joke, amirite?). Although I'm surprised so many men have such a low threshold for offense. Seriously, dudes, grow a pair.

Yeah, and women should also learn to take a joke, especially about their tiny, simple brains.


Am I supposed to be offended by your response?
 
2013-05-23 07:50:37 PM

bugontherug: fluffy2097: bugontherug: Anayalator: Um...

So did you happen to read beyond the line you bolded there? If you had, you might come to greater understanding of another's point of view.

How is a greater under understanding of the thought process of a retarded person relevant to the discussion.

/sexism is discrimination based on your gender. Not having something someone else wants.

I don't agree with her definition either--nor yours. But I won't call either of you retarded. Rather, I'll try to encapsulate what's really going on in ways that are fair to both points of view.

1) What really upsets her in the racism/sexism context is white men drawing false moral equivalences between racism by blacks against whites and sexism by women against men. Yes, black people can be racially prejudiced, and women can be sex-prejudiced. But she feels in both contexts that black on white racism/female on male sexism aren't real social problems. Blacks and women have less power to hurt whites/men because of their prejudices than whites/men have to hurt blacks/women because of theirs.

For what it's worth, I absolutely agree with her in the racism context. And 20 years ago I might have agreed with her in the sexism context too.

2) You've confused sexism with sex discrimination. But that's beside the point. What really has you upset is that in your life, you've felt unfairly attacked because either you are white, you are male, or both. You've experienced immense pressure in your life to overcome race and sex based judgments, and you think others should be held to the same standard. So when this professor comes along and says blacks can't be racist, and women can't be sexist, it's an affront to your sense of equity.

I think she's linguistically incorrect. I think her words demonstrate a misunderstanding of linguistics. Words mean what people use them to mean. And people use racism and sexism to describe prejudice based on race and sex, not merely majoritarian prejudice.

But I also t ...


Very well said!
 
2013-05-23 07:50:46 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rnFlQAvk8U

/Damn it feels good to be a white dude.

bugontherug:

Congratulations on learning to type words. You sound really smart to anyone who isn't actually intelligent enough to look in a dictionary.
 
2013-05-23 07:50:47 PM

SplittingAces: JonBuck: Mugato: Quasar: A relief? Every effing commercial involving a husband/wife dynamic portrays the husband as a clueless retard and the wife as the one who sighs and has to fix everything using X product.

That's also true of most sitcoms.

Thanks a lot, Tim Allen.

Ray Romano took that to another level.


I suspect the reason that the "men are idiots and women are mean" approach to comedy is so prevalent in recent sitcoms is that the networks were looking for the lowest common denominator and this what resulted. Give it another ten or twenty years and it will be normal for it to also include women hitting men in the balls, paving the way for "Ow, My Balls!" to become the new standard of comedy. It's kind of like record labels in the 70's hoping that disco would become the template for lowest common denominator music.
 
2013-05-23 07:51:24 PM
I LOL'd when he farted.
 
2013-05-23 07:51:37 PM

Mitt Romneys Tax Return: BarkingUnicorn: Mitt Romneys Tax Return: BarkingUnicorn: I think  Samsung miscalculated here.  Women make about 80-85% of U. S. household purchase decisions, but smart TV appliances are likely in the other 15% when there's a man in the household.

I think they assumed guys would find it amusing (after all, who doesn't like a fart joke, amirite?). Although I'm surprised so many men have such a low threshold for offense. Seriously, dudes, grow a pair.

Yeah, and women should also learn to take a joke, especially about their tiny, simple brains.

Am I supposed to be offended by your response?


Oh, hell no.  I'm just promoting gender equality.
 
2013-05-23 07:52:41 PM
I thought the ad was funny. Big farking deal.
 
2013-05-23 07:54:21 PM

fluffy2097: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rnFlQAvk8U

/Damn it feels good to be a white dude.

bugontherug:

Congratulations on learning to type words. You sound really smart to anyone who isn't actually intelligent enough to look in a dictionary.


Do you have even the vaguest sense of irony? Let me quote you:

"/sexism is discrimination based on your gender."

Do you even own a dictionary?
 
2013-05-23 07:54:27 PM
I wish I was eating chicken on the couch and farting right now.
 
2013-05-23 07:55:39 PM

Walter Paisley: I suspect the reason that the "men are idiots and women are mean" approach to comedy is so prevalent in recent sitcoms is that the networks were looking for the lowest common denominator and this what resulted. Give it another ten or twenty years and it will be normal for it to also include women hitting men in the balls, paving the way for "Ow, My Balls!" to become the new standard of comedy. It's kind of like record labels in the 70's hoping that disco would become the template for lowest common denominator music.


socheeky.files.wordpress.com

So, you're saying that all this.. cultural engineering stuff is.. a PROFIT DEAL?
 
2013-05-23 07:55:43 PM
bugontherug:
I don't agree with her definition either--nor yours. But I won't call either of you retarded. Rather, I'll try to encapsulate what's really going on in ways that are fair to both points of view.

I don't think this post makes sense to anyone that hasn't majored in sociology or women's  or [race]'s studies.
Kudos on playing psychologist, though, it adds more credibility for you to someone out there... possibly.
 
2013-05-23 07:56:06 PM

Anayalator: FTFA:  Further, she argues, men, who are in power in our society, cannot legitimately cry sexism. "You can say [this ad is] prejudiced, in bad taste, insulting, not funny," she said. "But it can't be sexist. Just like a black person can't be racist. Sexism is a word with a very specific meaning, which is a certain group having more access than another group to the things that make life worth living, such as high wages and good housing."


Um...


Holy SHIAT.  As a woman, that whole paragraph there makes my blood boil.  And as a feminist that isn't psychotic enough to scream at men who open the door for me, "YOU'RE NOT HELPING."
 
2013-05-23 07:57:06 PM

WhippingBoy: I wish I was eating chicken on the couch and farting right now.


Well, what's stopping you? Quit being a lazy slob and start being a lazy slob!
 
2013-05-23 07:58:10 PM

Gato Blanco: as a feminist that isn't psychotic enough to scream at men who open the door for me


Is there like a merit badge involved for that or a sticker for your car?
 
2013-05-23 07:58:17 PM

bugontherug: 1) What really upsets her in the racism/sexism context is white men drawing false moral equivalences between racism by blacks against whites and sexism by women against men. Yes, black people can be racially prejudiced, and women can be sex-prejudiced. But she feels in both contexts that black on white racism/female on male sexism aren't real social problems. Blacks and women have less power to hurt whites/men because of their prejudices than whites/men have to hurt blacks/women because of theirs.

For what it's worth, I absolutely agree with her in the racism context. And 20 years ago I might have agreed with her in the sexism context too.


I agree with you, but the issue I take with her statement (and other using similar language) is that her terminology is taking a specific sub-category (institutionalized and/or systematic racism and sexism) and applying it as the definition for a more general term describing a from of discrimination or bigotry. In other words, it's too much like Orwellian newspeak for my liking and it's also poor communication in general.
 
2013-05-23 07:58:18 PM

Gato Blanco: And as a feminist that isn't psychotic enough to scream at men who open the door for me


I keep hoping that happens to me so I can take the opportunity to retort.  Sadly, I haven't been screamed at by a radical feminist in a long time.
 
2013-05-23 07:58:29 PM
The people who argue that women can't be sexist or minorities can't be racist are just trying to stake exclusive claims to the power that such accusations give to the accusers.
 
2013-05-23 07:59:31 PM

Amidala: WhippingBoy: I wish I was eating chicken on the couch and farting right now.

Well, what's stopping you? Quit being a lazy slob and start being a lazy slob!


What's stopping him is lack of a woman to run to KFC.
 
2013-05-23 08:01:06 PM

God-is-a-Taco: bugontherug:
I don't agree with her definition either--nor yours. But I won't call either of you retarded. Rather, I'll try to encapsulate what's really going on in ways that are fair to both points of view.

I don't think this post makes sense to anyone that hasn't majored in sociology or women's  or [race]'s studies.
Kudos on playing psychologist, though, it adds more credibility for you to someone out there... possibly.


I didn't major in sociology, gender studies, or race studies. I've never even taken such a class. My undergraduate degree is from a small, very conservative university with very conservative student body. In 1992, the first choice in the Republican primary on my campus was Pat Buchanan. My course of studies included classes with classically ethnocentric names like "early western civilization," "modern western civilization," and "colonial American life."

It doesn't speak well of you that you equate trying to see the world from another's point of view with "playing psychologist." Your sort of egocentrism (an actual psychology term!) is a big part of what's wrong with America today.
 
2013-05-23 08:01:10 PM

bunner: Gato Blanco: as a feminist that isn't psychotic enough to scream at men who open the door for me

Is there like a merit badge involved for that or a sticker for your car?


You get a magnet.

For cray cray
 
2013-05-23 08:01:50 PM
No men who are men in the genuine sense of the word are offended by this.
 
2013-05-23 08:01:57 PM

bunner: Walter Paisley: I suspect the reason that the "men are idiots and women are mean" approach to comedy is so prevalent in recent sitcoms is that the networks were looking for the lowest common denominator and this what resulted. Give it another ten or twenty years and it will be normal for it to also include women hitting men in the balls, paving the way for "Ow, My Balls!" to become the new standard of comedy. It's kind of like record labels in the 70's hoping that disco would become the template for lowest common denominator music.

[socheeky.files.wordpress.com image 451x240]

So, you're saying that all this.. cultural engineering stuff is.. a PROFIT DEAL?


Probably. Of course, those "satanic panic" conspiracy theorists could be right and it's all really a trap in which we secretly sell our souls to Satan and are then driven to commit suicide.
 
2013-05-23 08:02:35 PM

WhippingBoy: Very well said!


Thank you, by the way.
 
2013-05-23 08:03:56 PM
I would call bullshiat on that article...I have a feeling that it is a publicist feigning outrage on behalf of men to get attention for a relatively mehhh concept.
 
2013-05-23 08:04:11 PM
I didn't find it sexist, just really f*ckin' STUPID.
 
2013-05-23 08:04:17 PM
I think it's 7th grade lunch table "politics", codified into a stack of new stereotypes and turned into a billion dollar industry.  I'll be over here at the pariah table.
 
2013-05-23 08:05:45 PM

Walter Paisley: bugontherug: 1) What really upsets her in the racism/sexism context is white men drawing false moral equivalences between racism by blacks against whites and sexism by women against men. Yes, black people can be racially prejudiced, and women can be sex-prejudiced. But she feels in both contexts that black on white racism/female on male sexism aren't real social problems. Blacks and women have less power to hurt whites/men because of their prejudices than whites/men have to hurt blacks/women because of theirs.

For what it's worth, I absolutely agree with her in the racism context. And 20 years ago I might have agreed with her in the sexism context too.

I agree with you, but the issue I take with her statement (and other using similar language) is that her terminology is taking a specific sub-category (institutionalized and/or systematic racism and sexism) and applying it as the definition for a more general term describing a from of discrimination or bigotry. In other words, it's too much like Orwellian newspeak for my liking and it's also poor communication in general.


I don't agree with her usage either. But I don't understand how you equate specialized definitions with Orwellian newspeak. Every specialized discipline uses words in ways different from the public's understanding of them.
 
2013-05-23 08:05:56 PM

ds615: Oh, a stupid commercial.  How new.
Or not.  There hasn't been more than two or three good commercials in the last decade.

I'm assuming there was some sort of mass layoff back then, out with the knowledgeable people, in with the low paid brats.
At least that's all I can think of by way of an explanation.

This is just another in a line of idiocracy wanna be ads.  The K-mart one is, of course, at the top of that list.
If you liked this, or the k-mart ad, well...


The Greatest Commercial Of All Time
 
2013-05-23 08:06:53 PM
"Women now have unheard of amounts of disposable cash!"

"So, make a bunch of shows for them to watch that make them look like martyrs and men like complete dolts."

"Then what?"

"SELL them sh*t, you idiot!  SELL them sh*t!"
 
2013-05-23 08:07:03 PM
So men have started clambering onto the sandy vag wagon.......

But that's not a sexist Samsung commercial; THIS is a sexist Samsung commercial (to your bunks, muzhschini!):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6U-LCQTxxoI
 
2013-05-23 08:07:52 PM

SearchN: Gail Dines, an expert on sexist images in the media and a professor of sociology and women's studies at Wheelock College in Boston, agrees. "It's not funny because it normalizes masculine behavior and makes a joke of it," she told Yahoo! Shine in a phone interview. "It's the reality of many women's lives, who get dinner ready, take care of the children, help with homework and do the housework, while the husbands are, in fact, sloth-like."

She almost made it through without slipping and showing the man hate card. So close. Maybe next time.


That's called the 'Mook' by advertisers. Yes, it exists IRL. She's stating fact, not opinion, and she's right; commercials like that train men to behave that way (along with a lot of other culture).  That's part of why it's sexist; it's encouraging that culture. Half the men I know act like this, and while I sympathize--you are what culture makes you--maybe we should change that culture so we aren't just farking men over.
 
2013-05-23 08:09:16 PM
 
2013-05-23 08:11:52 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Amidala: WhippingBoy: I wish I was eating chicken on the couch and farting right now.

Well, what's stopping you? Quit being a lazy slob and start being a lazy slob!

What's stopping him is lack of a woman to run to KFC.


Actually, what's stopping me is that my wife is at work and I have to prepare dinner right now.

/wait a minute...
 
2013-05-23 08:11:59 PM
On the Spearheard/Dalrock/Roissy in 3....2.....1
 
2013-05-23 08:15:12 PM

bugontherug: WhippingBoy: Very well said!

Thank you, by the way.


No problem. I agree with what you said except this:
But I also think she has a point you can learn from, if you'll take a moment to try to consider the world from a different perspective.I don't see anyone trying to (honestly) consider the world from my perspective, so I'll be damned if I'm going to return the favour.
 
2013-05-23 08:15:56 PM

PsiChick: commercials like that train men to behave that way


Any man who changes his behavior according to some commercial is an idiot in the first place.
 
2013-05-23 08:16:58 PM
bugontherug:  I've never even taken ... a class.

No shiat.... ಠ_ಠ
 
2013-05-23 08:19:06 PM

bugontherug: Walter Paisley: bugontherug: 1) What really upsets her in the racism/sexism context is white men drawing false moral equivalences between racism by blacks against whites and sexism by women against men. Yes, black people can be racially prejudiced, and women can be sex-prejudiced. But she feels in both contexts that black on white racism/female on male sexism aren't real social problems. Blacks and women have less power to hurt whites/men because of their prejudices than whites/men have to hurt blacks/women because of theirs.

For what it's worth, I absolutely agree with her in the racism context. And 20 years ago I might have agreed with her in the sexism context too.

I agree with you, but the issue I take with her statement (and other using similar language) is that her terminology is taking a specific sub-category (institutionalized and/or systematic racism and sexism) and applying it as the definition for a more general term describing a from of discrimination or bigotry. In other words, it's too much like Orwellian newspeak for my liking and it's also poor communication in general.

I don't agree with her usage either. But I don't understand how you equate specialized definitions with Orwellian newspeak. Every specialized discipline uses words in ways different from the public's understanding of them.


Replacing a general term with a specific term limits what can be potentially communicated and I view it as being in the same category as newspeak, just to a lesser degree. It's poor communication because the woman quoted in TFA is using what could be considered jargon definition of a term (I would also apply my criticism in this context - it's even bad as jargon) and expecting the general public to recognize this definition.
 
2013-05-23 08:19:51 PM

Mugato: PsiChick: commercials like that train men to behave that way

Any man who changes his behavior according to some commercial is an idiot in the first place.


It's PsiChick. You're wasting your time responding. Soon she'll be posting absurd citations to counter arguments that absolutely no one has actually made.
 
2013-05-23 08:22:26 PM

redqueenmeg: The Flexecutioner: well, she married the guy on the couch, not the one in her dream.  he farts when he wants to and eats fried chicken in sweatpants on a couch while watching an awesome tv while she wears a business suit presumably on her way somewhere important just after walking out of the kitchen.  who's the stupid one?

crap, you just described my life till 2012.


i assume you ditched the zero and got with the hero?
 
2013-05-23 08:23:42 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: I just saw the KMart commercial last night -- "I shipped my pants!"

I was laughing my tits off. I can't believe they got away with that.



Oh, piffle! (And clean your balls)
 
2013-05-23 08:24:05 PM
I have this theory that men, like women, are all pretty much individuals with a variety of learned behaviors and experiences that make up their modes of behavior and that trying to assign given behaviors to gender is a bit daft.  So, remember guys, when you're arguing with a woman and she says "Oh, you just hate women!", it's OK to say; "No, I just hate you."
 
2013-05-23 08:25:19 PM

WhippingBoy: I suspect that no men were actually angered by this commercial.


"Angered" is a strong word. But I don't care for it. And I agree it promotes destructive stereotypes.
 
2013-05-23 08:26:12 PM

bunner: I have this theory that men, like women, are all pretty much individuals with a variety of learned behaviors and experiences that make up their modes of behavior and that trying to assign given behaviors to gender is a bit daft.  So, remember guys, when you're arguing with a woman and she says "Oh, you just hate women!", it's OK to say; "No, I just hate you."


Get out of here with your infallible logic logic and reasoned, wise opinion.
 
2013-05-23 08:26:39 PM

PsiChick: SearchN: Gail Dines, an expert on sexist images in the media and a professor of sociology and women's studies at Wheelock College in Boston, agrees. "It's not funny because it normalizes masculine behavior and makes a joke of it," she told Yahoo! Shine in a phone interview. "It's the reality of many women's lives, who get dinner ready, take care of the children, help with homework and do the housework, while the husbands are, in fact, sloth-like."

She almost made it through without slipping and showing the man hate card. So close. Maybe next time.

That's called the 'Mook' by advertisers. Yes, it exists IRL. She's stating fact, not opinion, and she's right; commercials like that train men to behave that way (along with a lot of other culture).  That's part of why it's sexist; it's encouraging that culture. Half the men I know act like this, and while I sympathize--you are what culture makes you--maybe we should change that culture so we aren't just farking men over.


Ordinarily I tend to agree with your posts, but I think you're focusing way too hard on men with this particular concept.  Do you not think women fall prey to this exact same situation? Men/husbands/boyfriends aren't the ones telling their women to buy $50 shampoo and wrinkle cream ya know.
 
2013-05-23 08:26:40 PM
Soooooo this woman thinks that the perfect man is a woman with a penis?

Yeah it's sexist and insulting.
 
2013-05-23 08:26:51 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: I just saw the KMart commercial last night -- "I shipped my pants!"

I was laughing my tits off. I can't believe they got away with that.


i love those.  dont forget the booking.com ones either.  "Right booking now!"  i think the Orbitz commercials did a good job of opening the door for more euphemism pushing.

/shut the book up
//book dat
 
2013-05-23 08:26:59 PM

SearchN: Gail Dines, an expert on sexist images in the media and a professor of sociology and women's studies at Wheelock College in Boston, agrees. "It's not funny because it normalizes masculine behavior and makes a joke of it," she told Yahoo! Shine in a phone interview. "It's the reality of many women's lives, who get dinner ready, take care of the children, help with homework and do the housework, while the husbands are, in fact, sloth-like."

She almost made it through without slipping and showing the man hate card. So close. Maybe next time.


Want to know how I can automatically assume her opinion has absolutely no value?
 
2013-05-23 08:30:10 PM

fluffy2097: bugontherug: Anayalator: Um...

So did you happen to read beyond the line you bolded there? If you had, you might come to greater understanding of another's point of view.

How is a greater under understanding of the thought process of a retarded person relevant to the discussion.


Well, it can be helpful to understand how political ideologues distort language in the interest of advancing their goals. Feminists have decided that labels like "sexism" and "racism" have political power and have tried to redefine those terms so as to deny their opponents the use of them. Of course, anyone with a grain of intelligence can see it for the joke that it is.
 
2013-05-23 08:30:16 PM
Well dang.
 
2013-05-23 08:30:41 PM
How many more years to we have to hear about women being 'empowered'?

I've been hearing that crap for 45 years; isn't there a time limit on bullshiate?

Women? You want to be a pilot/surgeon/miner? Knock yourself out.
               You want to be a stay at home mom? Go for it!
               You want to start your own business or climb the corporate ladder? Be my quest.

But please stop whining and biatching about how bad you have it; it shows you to be both stupid and unmotivated.
 
2013-05-23 08:33:19 PM
Dear men and women.  The men or women in your life who are worth a flying f*ck are not going to be the ones jumping through or  holding up hoops for you.  Can we all just crack a cold one, now and maybe order some chicken?
 
2013-05-23 08:34:49 PM
I can't wait until "blah blah blah, and by blah I mean blah blah" goes away.
 
2013-05-23 08:35:23 PM
I'll save all my outrage, not for the commercial - commercials always pander to the lowest common denominator after all, and are largely below contempt - but for Gail Dines, who argues that sexism and racism can't be directed against white men.

Look, I get it. I really do. You feel aggrieved and persecuted and you feel that white men hoarde all of the societal perks for themselves.

So it gives you a little frisson of excitement, a little tingling down your spine, to demean white men. It gives you a thrill to "speak truth to power" and tell white men that they have everything and have no right to complain. It satisfies you on some deeper level to just not care what white men think and to tell them that they are always in the wrong, and that they cannot, categorically, experience discrimination simply because that are white, and men.

Here's a news flash, though. White men get that exact same tingling, that wondefully warm feeling of "fark you, that's why" when they use a racist slur. They get the exact same feeling when they open their mouth and say some sexist shiat that is derogatory to every woman on the planet. It's the same sort of attitutude and feelings that have driven the past umpteen centuries of white conquest, colonialism, and expansion: "you're not like me, so fark you, that's why."

Congrats, Gail Dines, and everyone that thinks the same way that you do. You have become everything that you profess to hate.
 
2013-05-23 08:35:36 PM
The commercial is meh, but Gail Dines is one of the rare and special ladies that the c-word is reserved for. What a coont.

PsiChick: SearchN: Gail Dines, an expert on sexist images in the media and a professor of sociology and women's studies at Wheelock College in Boston, agrees. "It's not funny because it normalizes masculine behavior and makes a joke of it," she told Yahoo! Shine in a phone interview. "It's the reality of many women's lives, who get dinner ready, take care of the children, help with homework and do the housework, while the husbands are, in fact, sloth-like."

She almost made it through without slipping and showing the man hate card. So close. Maybe next time.

That's called the 'Mook' by advertisers. Yes, it exists IRL. She's stating fact, not opinion, and she's right; commercials like that train men to behave that way (along with a lot of other culture).  That's part of why it's sexist; it's encouraging that culture. Half the men I know act like this, and while I sympathize--you are what culture makes you--maybe we should change that culture so we aren't just farking men over.


Oh STFU. As if you know what a man acts like at home. The reason the men you know act like that is because the only ones who will go home with you are blacked out drunk and desperately looking for a wet hole to stick their dicks in at last call. They are lounging on the couch because they are hungover and pissed at themselves for going hogging on the previous night.
 
2013-05-23 08:37:35 PM

bugontherug: WhippingBoy: I suspect that no men were actually angered by this commercial.

"Angered" is a strong word. But I don't care for it. And I agree it promotes destructive stereotypes.


You must live a life of privilege. I don't have the time or energy to even consider things like this. I've got much much bigger issues to deal with.
 
2013-05-23 08:37:59 PM
Awww!  Did someone's widdle ego get bruised?  Let mommy kiss it and make it better!

*SMACK*

All better!


/Now make me a sammich!
//And vaccuum when you're done.
 
2013-05-23 08:39:43 PM

bunner: Can we all just crack a cold one, now and maybe order some chicken?


I'm up for that. I didn't even considering ordering chicken.
 
2013-05-23 08:41:48 PM

WhippingBoy: bugontherug: WhippingBoy: I suspect that no men were actually angered by this commercial.

"Angered" is a strong word. But I don't care for it. And I agree it promotes destructive stereotypes.

You must live a life of privilege. I don't have the time or energy to even consider things like this. I've got much much bigger issues to deal with.


That must be why you've spent so much time on Fark discussing it.
 
2013-05-23 08:42:10 PM
Is there sexism buried somewhere in that oozing pool of high octane nightmare fuel?
 
2013-05-23 08:42:12 PM
We fart in your presence with glee at your disgusted reaction do you really think we care if you mock us, HAH!

*sniff*
 
2013-05-23 08:42:43 PM

bugontherug: WhippingBoy: bugontherug: WhippingBoy: I suspect that no men were actually angered by this commercial.

"Angered" is a strong word. But I don't care for it. And I agree it promotes destructive stereotypes.

You must live a life of privilege. I don't have the time or energy to even consider things like this. I've got much much bigger issues to deal with.

That must be why you've spent so much time on Fark discussing it.


No worries. I'll let you get back to your life of struggle and deprivation now.
 
2013-05-23 08:42:53 PM

bugontherug: WhippingBoy: bugontherug: WhippingBoy: I suspect that no men were actually angered by this commercial.

"Angered" is a strong word. But I don't care for it. And I agree it promotes destructive stereotypes.

You must live a life of privilege. I don't have the time or energy to even consider things like this. I've got much much bigger issues to deal with.

That must be why you've spent so much time on Fark discussing it.


Hey, this is serious business.
 
2013-05-23 08:43:50 PM

bugontherug: bugontherug: WhippingBoy: bugontherug: WhippingBoy: I suspect that no men were actually angered by this commercial.

"Angered" is a strong word. But I don't care for it. And I agree it promotes destructive stereotypes.

You must live a life of privilege. I don't have the time or energy to even consider things like this. I've got much much bigger issues to deal with.

That must be why you've spent so much time on Fark discussing it.

No worries. I'll let you get back to your life of struggle and deprivation now.


Thanks. You're a peach.
 
2013-05-23 08:45:38 PM
Ya'll be slippin'.

imaguitarist.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-05-23 08:46:00 PM

Elegy: I'll save all my outrage, not for the commercial - commercials always pander to the lowest common denominator after all, and are largely below contempt - but for Gail Dines, who argues that sexism and racism can't be directed against white men.

Look, I get it. I really do. You feel aggrieved and persecuted and you feel that white men hoarde all of the societal perks for themselves.

So it gives you a little frisson of excitement, a little tingling down your spine, to demean white men. It gives you a thrill to "speak truth to power" and tell white men that they have everything and have no right to complain. It satisfies you on some deeper level to just not care what white men think and to tell them that they are always in the wrong, and that they cannot, categorically, experience discrimination simply because that are white, and men.

Here's a news flash, though. White men get that exact same tingling, that wondefully warm feeling of "fark you, that's why" when they use a racist slur. They get the exact same feeling when they open their mouth and say some sexist shiat that is derogatory to every woman on the planet. It's the same sort of attitutude and feelings that have driven the past umpteen centuries of white conquest, colonialism, and expansion: "you're not like me, so fark you, that's why."

Congrats, Gail Dines, and everyone that thinks the same way that you do. You have become everything that you profess to hate.


Best comment all day.
 
2013-05-23 08:46:41 PM
There are commercials that are sexist towards men. There are also commercials that are sexist towards women. There are people whose lives are negatively affected by sexism. There are also people who sit around on the internet all day, jerking off to their own perceived victimization, looking for things to get offended about, and competing with other like minded people over who can be the most outraged and who can find the worst thing to be upset about. Whoever is the saddest, maddest, most cruelly oppressed victim who cries the most about their horrible oppression and is most vicious towards anyone whose opinion varies even the tiniest hair-width from theirs wins.
 
2013-05-23 08:52:51 PM
I think the husband was some kind of homosexual or something. Tjat's why he farted. His anus was so stretched out from anal sex, he had no hope of keeping the gas from escaping his love chute
 
2013-05-23 08:53:09 PM

ambercat: There are commercials that are sexist towards men. There are also commercials that are sexist towards women. There are people whose lives are negatively affected by sexism. There are also people who sit around on the internet all day, jerking off to their own perceived victimization, looking for things to get offended about, and competing with other like minded people over who can be the most outraged and who can find the worst thing to be upset about. Whoever is the saddest, maddest, most cruelly oppressed victim who cries the most about their horrible oppression and is most vicious towards anyone whose opinion varies even the tiniest hair-width from theirs wins.


Woohoo! I win!

/white able-bodied straight male
 
2013-05-23 08:56:41 PM
"Samsung, for its part, is just sitting back and watching it all play out; a spokesperson for the company told Yahoo! Shine in an email, 'Samsung has nothing to share at this time.'"

Somebody at Samsung, or their advertising agency, is getting a promotion.
 
2013-05-23 08:56:52 PM

OgreMagi: Gato Blanco: And as a feminist that isn't psychotic enough to scream at men who open the door for me

I keep hoping that happens to me so I can take the opportunity to retort.  Sadly, I haven't been screamed at by a radical feminist in a long time.


What would you say?

I'd say, "Hey, you don't have nice enough tits to talk to me like that."
 
2013-05-23 08:57:56 PM
greatest commercial of all time.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IB7OU0MlIvs  OF ALL TIME!
 
2013-05-23 08:58:15 PM

ambercat: There are commercials that are sexist towards men. There are also commercials that are sexist towards women. There are people whose lives are negatively affected by sexism. There are also people who sit around on the internet all day, jerking off to their own perceived victimization, looking for things to get offended about, and competing with other like minded people over who can be the most outraged and who can find the worst thing to be upset about. Whoever is the saddest, maddest, most cruelly oppressed victim who cries the most about their horrible oppression and is most vicious towards anyone whose opinion varies even the tiniest hair-width from theirs wins.


Don't forget the armchair critics.
 
2013-05-23 09:04:05 PM
Oh come on it's just a commercial! So what if they make commercials that portray men as dumb and lazy? Women are always portrayed as sex symbols anyway or house cleaners. The commercial was just poking fun at men, it's not a serious sermon about how all men are dumb and lazy, just like not every commercial is right about women always being sexy and smart. There are actually a lot of ugly and dumb females in the world. Just let the commercials be funny and don't take it seriously.
 
2013-05-23 09:06:47 PM

Walter Paisley: I suspect the reason that the "men are idiots and women are mean" approach to comedy is so prevalent in recent sitcoms is that the networks were looking for the lowest common denominator and this what resulted.


img2-1.timeinc.net

worked so nice they did it twice.
 
2013-05-23 09:07:12 PM

BarkingUnicorn: The people who argue that women can't be sexist or minorities can't be racist are just trying to stake exclusive claims to the power that such accusations give to the accusers.


Yup. Well said.
 
2013-05-23 09:07:22 PM
I would buy many Samsung products if they released another commercial where the roles were reversed. Can you imagine the shiat-storm that would cause?

Many. Samsung products.
 
2013-05-23 09:07:39 PM

albuquerquehalsey: Walter Paisley: I suspect the reason that the "men are idiots and women are mean" approach to comedy is so prevalent in recent sitcoms is that the networks were looking for the lowest common denominator and this what resulted.

[img2-1.timeinc.net image 458x613]

worked so nice they did it twice.


3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-05-23 09:07:53 PM

Mambo Bananapatch: OgreMagi: Gato Blanco: And as a feminist that isn't psychotic enough to scream at men who open the door for me

I keep hoping that happens to me so I can take the opportunity to retort.  Sadly, I haven't been screamed at by a radical feminist in a long time.

What would you say?

I'd say, "Hey, you don't have nice enough tits to talk to me like that."


Probably something along the lines of, "I hold the door because I have manners, not because you are anything special .... princess."
 
2013-05-23 09:08:23 PM

GreenSun: it's not a serious sermon about how all men are dumb and lazy


I agree.  And a commercial with a woman pushing a Swiffer mop isn't a patriarchal plot to keep women as lobotomized scullery maids.  And in spite of this, here we all are.
 
2013-05-23 09:09:33 PM

ambercat: There are commercials that are sexist towards men. There are also commercials that are sexist towards women. There are people whose lives are negatively affected by sexism. There are also people who sit around on the internet all day, jerking off to their own perceived victimization, looking for things to get offended about, and competing with other like minded people over who can be the most outraged and who can find the worst thing to be upset about. Whoever is the saddest, maddest, most cruelly oppressed victim who cries the most about their horrible oppression and is most vicious towards anyone whose opinion varies even the tiniest hair-width from theirs wins.


What do they win? I wanna piece of that action.
 
2013-05-23 09:16:22 PM
Gail Dines, an expert on sexist images in the media and a professor of sociology and women's studies at Wheelock College in Boston, agrees. "It's not funny because it normalizes masculine behavior and makes a joke of it," she told Yahoo! Shine in a phone interview. "It's the reality of many women's lives, who get dinner ready, take care of the children, help with homework and do the housework, while the husbands are, in fact, sloth-like." Further, she argues, men, who are in power in our society, cannot legitimately cry sexism. "You can say [this ad is] prejudiced, in bad taste, insulting, not funny," she said. "But it can't be sexist. Just like a black person can't be racist. Sexism is a word with a very specific meaning, which is a certain group having more access than another group to the things that make life worth living, such as high wages and good housing."

Gail Dines is an idiot.
 
2013-05-23 09:18:54 PM
And the commercial?  I laughed when the guy farted.

That's right.
 
2013-05-23 09:20:03 PM
So what have we learned?

Housekeeping appliances and chemicals, toilet seats and stoves are non gender specific items as to their operation.   Nobody likes a slob or a smug pain in the ass.  Humor is crucial to survival.  If there is any such thing as biologically specific traits that manifest in forms of behavior or world views, they probably aren't going to change.

Neither is the person you married.  They're going to be whoever they were before you married them.

And finally, there's a metric f*ckstack of money to be made by trolling the notions that all of the above is SEXIST !!1!  Carry on.
 
2013-05-23 09:23:05 PM

Flint Ironstag: Adverts do have a track record in the last decade or so of showing men as complete simpletons while the wife is the one who comes up with the answer/solution/explanation etc. But this advert is also stupid for not telling me what the product actually does. It spends most of the advert showing us a daydream of how a man could be improved but doesn't show us what the damn thing they are selling does to improve our TV.

As a rule of thumb if you remade the advert with the genders reversed would it be acceptable. Imagine this advert with the man imagining how his lazy, ugly, slobbish wife could be "improved". Would that be okay?


Not anymore.
 
2013-05-23 09:26:30 PM
I can't believe they tried to pass off housework as evolution.

/Already evolved past that.
//Called being male
///That's why I have a wife
 
2013-05-23 09:28:09 PM
Meh, couldn't care less about the ad. This just proves my theory that the media (or in this case "media") will go to any lengths to find someone to be offended about something. In this case "mens rights" sissies on reddit.

But I am somewhat annoyed by this bitter Gail Dines woman, and that she gets to run around and lecture man hate and hypocrisy for a salary. Turns out she hates both men and pornography, I guess because both are much more appealing than she is, even to straight men and lesbians...

http://gaildines.com/

maggiemcneill.files.wordpress.com

I think shes has some hobbit blood or something...
 
2013-05-23 09:30:17 PM
Dr. Gail Dines overlooks something.  The preponderance of women performing in pornographic videos seem to be not only having a jolly good time, but I'm pretty sure the checks are clearing and nobody is holding a gun on them to have sex on camera.
 
2013-05-23 09:30:21 PM

WhippingBoy: I would buy many Samsung products if they released another commercial where the roles were reversed. Can you imagine the shiat-storm that would cause?

Many. Samsung products.


Perhaps marketing's increasing focus on "social values" arises from decreasing differences between products.  Personally, I buy what a product does, not what a company does.
 
2013-05-23 09:32:52 PM

Pete_T_Mann: Meh, couldn't care less about the ad. This just proves my theory that the media (or in this case "media") will go to any lengths to find someone to be offended about something. In this case "mens rights" sissies on reddit.

But I am somewhat annoyed by this bitter Gail Dines woman, and that she gets to run around and lecture man hate and hypocrisy for a salary. Turns out she hates both men and pornography, I guess because both are much more appealing than she is, even to straight men and lesbians...

http://gaildines.com/



I think shes has some hobbit blood or something...


Holy shiat that's a she-beast.

I think her mom had a drunken fling with Hodor.
 
2013-05-23 09:32:53 PM

Anayalator: FTFA:  Further, she argues, men, who are in power in our society, cannot legitimately cry sexism. "You can say [this ad is] prejudiced, in bad taste, insulting, not funny," she said. "But it can't be sexist. Just like a black person can't be racist. Sexism is a word with a very specific meaning, which is a certain group having more access than another group to the things that make life worth living, such as high wages and good housing."


Um...


that seems the very definition of sexism and racism. I'm surprised to hear it coming from a sociology prof. I took both sociology and anthropology in university and we looked at sexist stereotypes towards men as well as women. Sociology especially seemed to be about trying to step out of what was considered the norm and thinking critically about stuff we take for granted.  While sexism and racism tends to suggest (or necessitate) a power hierarchy, (which I supose she is suggesting here) it shouldn't be the only way of looking at sexism.  I think it is perfectly acceptable and interesting to question gender stereotypes be they regarding men or women. Her view seems rather patronising actually.  I find it a very unfortunate position coming from a sociology professor.
 
2013-05-23 09:32:58 PM

bugontherug: bugontherug: WhippingBoy: bugontherug: WhippingBoy: I suspect that no men were actually angered by this commercial.

"Angered" is a strong word. But I don't care for it. And I agree it promotes destructive stereotypes.

You must live a life of privilege. I don't have the time or energy to even consider things like this. I've got much much bigger issues to deal with.

That must be why you've spent so much time on Fark discussing it.

No worries. I'll let you get back to your life of struggle and deprivation now.


Why are you responding to yourself?
 
2013-05-23 09:34:11 PM
I chuckled...  Won't be wasting my time writing a strongly worded letter to Samsung, or posting my "outrage" on Fark.
 
2013-05-23 09:34:22 PM

Elegy: Pete_T_Mann: Meh, couldn't care less about the ad. This just proves my theory that the media (or in this case "media") will go to any lengths to find someone to be offended about something. In this case "mens rights" sissies on reddit.

But I am somewhat annoyed by this bitter Gail Dines woman, and that she gets to run around and lecture man hate and hypocrisy for a salary. Turns out she hates both men and pornography, I guess because both are much more appealing than she is, even to straight men and lesbians...

http://gaildines.com/

I think shes has some hobbit blood or something...

Holy shiat that's a she-beast.

I think her mom had a drunken fling with Hodor.


Dude, don't be an ass.

Hodor has standards.

/hodor hodor
 
2013-05-23 09:35:13 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Perhaps marketing's increasing focus on "social values" arises from decreasing differences between products


coachotis.files.wordpress.com

You're not buying products anymore.  You're buying brand allegiance, an elite badge or something that will "enhance your lifestyle" outside of the products essential function.  In other words, malarkey.
 
2013-05-23 09:35:16 PM

JonBuck: Mugato: Quasar: A relief? Every effing commercial involving a husband/wife dynamic portrays the husband as a clueless retard and the wife as the one who sighs and has to fix everything using X product.

That's also true of most sitcoms.

Thanks a lot, Tim Allen.


Cave for caveman husband.
 
2013-05-23 09:36:58 PM

albuquerquehalsey: Walter Paisley: I suspect the reason that the "men are idiots and women are mean" approach to comedy is so prevalent in recent sitcoms is that the networks were looking for the lowest common denominator and this what resulted.

[img2-1.timeinc.net image 458x613]

worked so nice they did it twice.


I said prevalent, not unique. Elaborating on my music industry comments, the generic autotuned dance music around today could be said to be the same concept of disco, but made even easier to create through the technology now available. It's a similar concept to reality television: once networks realized that viewers would watch programs that didn't require professional actors or even screenwriters for the most part, it became part of the new norm.
 
2013-05-23 09:38:37 PM
I think I just got trolled by this article, quoting from some kind "professor" from a two bit college. Stupid internet, when will I learn???!!!
 
2013-05-23 09:39:29 PM

Walter Paisley: once networks realized that viewers would watch programs that didn't require professional actors or even screenwriters for the most part, it became part of the new norm.


And that's why the people on Survivor never just raided the catering vans parked about 40' off camera.
 
2013-05-23 09:40:35 PM

Pete_T_Mann: I think shes has some hobbit blood or something...


As Captain Katanga said to Indiana Jones, "Your appearance is exactly the way I imagined."
 
2013-05-23 09:44:08 PM

Molavian: Elegy: Pete_T_Mann: Meh, couldn't care less about the ad. This just proves my theory that the media (or in this case "media") will go to any lengths to find someone to be offended about something. In this case "mens rights" sissies on reddit.

But I am somewhat annoyed by this bitter Gail Dines woman, and that she gets to run around and lecture man hate and hypocrisy for a salary. Turns out she hates both men and pornography, I guess because both are much more appealing than she is, even to straight men and lesbians...

http://gaildines.com/

I think shes has some hobbit blood or something...

Holy shiat that's a she-beast.

I think her mom had a drunken fling with Hodor.

Dude, don't be an ass.

Hodor has standards.

/hodor hodor


Brant would have that wildling woman kill her with fire before she got within 30 feet of Hodor. Than they'd have Ripley nuke it from orbit... just to be sure.
 
2013-05-23 09:52:35 PM
At least the commercials about pots with pasta-straining lids, non-stick pans that close so you can flip eggs without a spatula, and super-sharp knives show both men AND women being completely and utterly incompetent.
 
2013-05-23 09:55:05 PM

Pete_T_Mann: Meh, couldn't care less about the ad. This just proves my theory that the media (or in this case "media") will go to any lengths to find someone to be offended about something. In this case "mens rights" sissies on reddit.

But I am somewhat annoyed by this bitter Gail Dines woman, and that she gets to run around and lecture man hate and hypocrisy for a salary. Turns out she hates both men and pornography, I guess because both are much more appealing than she is, even to straight men and lesbians...


It's easy to illustrate why many women hate pornography, using economics:
upload.wikimedia.org
Just rewrite this as "Suppose the price of sex rises from P1 to P2 because one of the inputs (women) rises in price This would cause men to have less sex, quantity decreasing from Q1 to Q2. For the {imperfect} substitute porn, the demand curve shifts out for all price levels, from D to D', leading to more porn consumed." And because it is a substitute, albeit an imperfect one, the person controlling the opportunities for sex cannot simply charge monopoly prices.

Q.E.D.
 
2013-05-23 09:55:57 PM

bunner: BarkingUnicorn: Perhaps marketing's increasing focus on "social values" arises from decreasing differences between products

[coachotis.files.wordpress.com image 500x419]

You're not buying products anymore.  You're buying brand allegiance, an elite badge or something that will "enhance your lifestyle" outside of the products essential function.  In other words, malarkey.


My point is that's all they have left to sell.  It's not what I am buying.
 
2013-05-23 09:58:15 PM
I got rid of pay tv because I was tired of paying for reruns and constant dumbed down advertisements and "programming"

/male
//my only tv is a 22"
///has actual hobbieS which translate into skills
////multiple slashie redux
 
2013-05-23 09:59:57 PM

BarkingUnicorn: My point is that's all they have left to sell.  It's not what I am buying.


And, uh, yeah, well, sure.   :  /
 
2013-05-23 10:03:19 PM

bugontherug: fluffy2097: bugontherug: Anayalator: Um...

So did you happen to read beyond the line you bolded there? If you had, you might come to greater understanding of another's point of view.

How is a greater under understanding of the thought process of a retarded person relevant to the discussion.

/sexism is discrimination based on your gender. Not having something someone else wants.

I don't agree with her definition either--nor yours. But I won't call either of you retarded. Rather, I'll try to encapsulate what's really going on in ways that are fair to both points of view.

1) What really upsets her in the racism/sexism context is white men drawing false moral equivalences between racism by blacks against whites and sexism by women against men. Yes, black people can be racially prejudiced, and women can be sex-prejudiced. But she feels in both contexts that black on white racism/female on male sexism aren't real social problems. Blacks and women have less power to hurt whites/men because of their prejudices than whites/men have to hurt blacks/women because of theirs.

For what it's worth, I absolutely agree with her in the racism context. And 20 years ago I might have agreed with her in the sexism context too.

2) You've confused sexism with sex discrimination. But that's beside the point. What really has you upset is that in your life, you've felt unfairly attacked because either you are white, you are male, or both. You've experienced immense pressure in your life to overcome race and sex based judgments, and you think others should be held to the same standard. So when this professor comes along and says blacks can't be racist, and women can't be sexist, it's an affront to your sense of equity.

I think she's linguistically incorrect. I think her words demonstrate a misunderstanding of linguistics. Words mean what people use them to mean. And people use racism and sexism to describe prejudice based on race and sex, not merely majoritarian prejudice.

But I also t ...


Fascinating.

What's interesting about number 2. on your list is that it's the SAME argument and yet it seems to elicit little empathy. Men feel bad when stereotyped as privileged abusers. Do they feel equally bad when stereotyped as CEOs of major corporations? Women feel bad when stereotyped as witless sex objects. Do they feel equally bad when stereotyped as competent wives? Key point is that both sides feel equally bad.

EVERYONE wants to be acknowledged as an individual with a relatively unique history, capability, and future.

Men should be free to choose being a stay at home dad, a secretary, a nurse, to cry, to be confused, to be weak, and to experience the full range of what life can offer. There is validity to exploring how men are also victimized by gender stereotyping.
 
2013-05-23 10:04:59 PM

bunner: BarkingUnicorn: My point is that's all they have left to sell.  It's not what I am buying.

And, uh, yeah, well, sure.   :  /


That's called a colloquial you, btw.  I have no idea what you are or are not buying.
 
2013-05-23 10:06:31 PM
I love how the quote from Jezebel STILL makes it an attack on women. Somehow. Bravo.
 
2013-05-23 10:07:30 PM
FTA: Further, she argues, men, who are in power in our society, cannot legitimately cry sexism. "You can say [this ad is] prejudiced, in bad taste, insulting, not funny," she said. "But it can't be sexist. Just like a black person can't be racist. Sexism is a word with a very specific meaning, which is a certain group having more access than another group to the things that make life worth living, such as high wages and good housing."

i0.kym-cdn.com


Did I just see that? Really?

Holding persons to a different standard than everyone else solely because of their race is an inherently racist. Also, holding a given sex to a different standard than everyone else solely because of their sex is inherently sexist. Treating everyone the same regardless of their race = not racist.

I have no idea who this woman is but in light of these statements I've concluded she has nothing intelligent or worthwhile to say - just like most feminists.
 
2013-05-23 10:09:55 PM
Love the commercial. Love the song even more. Haters and whiners can go pound sand.
 
2013-05-23 10:12:10 PM
Just like a black person can't be racist.

So the words "honkey" and "cracker" exists because... that's how we self identify?
 
2013-05-23 10:14:59 PM

Potter82: I have no idea who this woman is but in light of these statements I've concluded she has nothing intelligent or worthwhile to say - just like most feminists.


Fark's resident patent attorney should be here shortly to remind us all that she is not a "real" feminist. She is just a strawman, or a figment of your imagination.
 
2013-05-23 10:16:35 PM

umad: Potter82: I have no idea who this woman is but in light of these statements I've concluded she has nothing intelligent or worthwhile to say - just like most feminists.

Fark's resident patent attorney should be here shortly to remind us all that she is not a "real" feminist. She is just a strawman, or a figment of your imagination.


No, he'd have to concede that she is indeed a "real" feminist. He'd try to find some other bullshiat way to spin it, though.
 
2013-05-23 10:18:49 PM
Link

Everybody should lighten up just a bit. Sexist shiat has been going on for a while. Turnabout is fair play. Alot of it is just about female and male fantasies.

It would be nice if some feminists would stop ignoring stuff like this and yelling out patriarchy whenever they see something they don't personally personally approve of.

/Also does the malebot have to be so stupid. At least the fembot was not a complete idiot, other then she was a sexy humanoid keg.
 
2013-05-23 10:20:18 PM
Pete_T_Mann ,
I think shes has some hobbit blood or something...


She looks like Swan's unattractive sister.
 
2013-05-23 10:32:54 PM

Potter82: FTA: Further, she argues, men, who are in power in our society, cannot legitimately cry sexism. "You can say [this ad is] prejudiced, in bad taste, insulting, not funny," she said. "But it can't be sexist. Just like a black person can't be racist. Sexism is a word with a very specific meaning, which is a certain group having more access than another group to the things that make life worth living, such as high wages and good housing."

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Did I just see that? Really?

Holding persons to a different standard than everyone else solely because of their race is an inherently racist. Also, holding a given sex to a different standard than everyone else solely because of their sex is inherently sexist. Treating everyone the same regardless of their race = not racist.

I have no idea who this woman is but in light of these statements I've concluded she has nothing intelligent or worthwhile to say - just like most feminists.


No, it's totally true! Black people can't be racist because black and white are the only two races on the planet. She goes on to explain that asians are robots and mexicans don't really count.
 
2013-05-23 10:33:48 PM

Mugato: Just like a black person can't be racist.

So the words "honkey" and "cracker" exists because... that's how we self identify?


Hey, man.  *I* can say "cracker"!  YOU can't say "cracker!"  Oh, you're a cracker?  *gives secret cracker handshake,
 
2013-05-23 10:35:21 PM

bunner: Mugato: Just like a black person can't be racist.

So the words "honkey" and "cracker" exists because... that's how we self identify?

Hey, man.  *I* can say "cracker"!  YOU can't say "cracker!"  Oh, you're a cracker?  *gives secret cracker handshake,


That's OUR word!
 
2013-05-23 10:44:19 PM
"My great, great aunt's cousin's mother's friend's uncle's sister was was OPPRESSED, so *I* ain't gotta do SH*T!" See the proctor for your grade.
 
2013-05-23 10:48:09 PM

Enemabag Jones: Turnabout is fair play.


And 45 years of a fire hose of piss and venom is sort of monotonous.  But that's DIFFERENT!  *snort*  It's all 5th grade "nuh UH!"  bullsh*t but it moves way too much money around to stop beating the pots and pans under everybody''s windows, now.
 
2013-05-23 10:53:01 PM

Tommy Moo: I'm sick of hearing about how men cannot be victims of sexism because society innately gives us privilege and women are in a net worse situation. Society gives men different privileges, but it evens out. Both genders face particular challenges that the other doesn't, and have access to particular privileges that the other doesn't. I will never face the level of risk that women face with regard to sexual assault, and I will probably make more money than most women throughout my life. Women will never face the stress of the expectation of making money, or the dread that they will be unloved and insignificant if they don't make partner at the firm, and they do get the benefit of having twelve guys show up at the ready any time they have a flat tire or need a piece of furniture moved.


If you're practicing for an attempt to dethrone Pocket Ninja, I say, you're looking good.
 
2013-05-23 10:53:35 PM
Dumb commercial is dumb, women fart more than men IME
 
2013-05-23 10:54:40 PM

teenage mutant ninja rapist: Anayalator: FTFA:  Further, she argues, men, who are in power in our society, cannot legitimately cry sexism. "You can say [this ad is] prejudiced, in bad taste, insulting, not funny," she said. "But it can't be sexist. Just like a black person can't be racist. Sexism is a word with a very specific meaning, which is a certain group having more access than another group to the things that make life worth living, such as high wages and good housing."


Um...

Yep. Thats the attitude that keeps men laughing at feminists.
keep it up girls. Just for the laughs


I'm glad to see we finally got around to returning the favor.
 
2013-05-23 11:12:44 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-05-24 12:02:41 AM
If you think that commercial is anything but horrifying you're dead inside.
 
2013-05-24 12:02:58 AM

Mugato: PsiChick: commercials like that train men to behave that way

Any man who changes his behavior according to some commercial is an idiot in the first place.


Nooo, that's not exactly how it works. It's more that they  grow up thinking that's the norm, because  everything claims it is. Girls only have a 'pink phase' when they're little for that exact reason. That's why people get annoyed at little shiat--it's not little, it usually represents a huge trend.

Toxic Park: PsiChick: SearchN: Gail Dines, an expert on sexist images in the media and a professor of sociology and women's studies at Wheelock College in Boston, agrees. "It's not funny because it normalizes masculine behavior and makes a joke of it," she told Yahoo! Shine in a phone interview. "It's the reality of many women's lives, who get dinner ready, take care of the children, help with homework and do the housework, while the husbands are, in fact, sloth-like."

She almost made it through without slipping and showing the man hate card. So close. Maybe next time.

That's called the 'Mook' by advertisers. Yes, it exists IRL. She's stating fact, not opinion, and she's right; commercials like that train men to behave that way (along with a lot of other culture).  That's part of why it's sexist; it's encouraging that culture. Half the men I know act like this, and while I sympathize--you are what culture makes you--maybe we should change that culture so we aren't just farking men over.

Ordinarily I tend to agree with your posts, but I think you're focusing way too hard on men with this particular concept.  Do you not think women fall prey to this exact same situation? Men/husbands/boyfriends aren't the ones telling their women to buy $50 shampoo and wrinkle cream ya know.


There's an entire feminist movement pointing that one out. I don't need to add on. :p
 
2013-05-24 12:09:03 AM
People are getting outraged about a commercial.

Think about that.

The ad agency has everyone talking about the company and their product.

So did their ad succeed?
 
2013-05-24 12:41:33 AM

Gyrfalcon: People are getting outraged about a commercial.

Think about that.

The ad agency has everyone talking about the company and their product.

So did their ad succeed?


No.  Everybody's talking about the ad, not the product.  Without looking at TFA, name the product.
 
2013-05-24 02:31:42 AM

PsiChick: SearchN: Gail Dines, an expert on sexist images in the media and a professor of sociology and women's studies at Wheelock College in Boston, agrees. "It's not funny because it normalizes masculine behavior and makes a joke of it," she told Yahoo! Shine in a phone interview. "It's the reality of many women's lives, who get dinner ready, take care of the children, help with homework and do the housework, while the husbands are, in fact, sloth-like."

She almost made it through without slipping and showing the man hate card. So close. Maybe next time.

That's called the 'Mook' by advertisers. Yes, it exists IRL. She's stating fact, not opinion, and she's right; commercials like that train men to behave that way (along with a lot of other culture).  That's part of why it's sexist; it's encouraging that culture. Half the men I know act like this, and while I sympathize--you are what culture makes you--maybe we should change that culture so we aren't just farking men over.


You really are right off the deep end, and the best part is, it's entirely clear you actually think you are progressive and intelligent.

I'll explain.  Someone makes a pretty good point, while ignoring the blatant sexism and stereotyping of the original author.  You then take that blatant bullshiat one step further and pretend like this is some kind of trend.  Is the concept real?  Sure, the media portrayal constant, probably, I don't know.  What I do know is that, as with almost all things, the stereotype is false, stupid and bigoted.

Not only does the original point pretend that women do all the house work and raise the kids and cook the food.  In and of itself ridiculous.  But you go on and reinforce that bullshiat with your own bullshiat, something along the lines of "men are lazy and disgusting, but it's not their fault because TV made them that way".

Seriously Psigirl, you need a reality check, and it can not come through a TV, nor the (apparently) incompetent instruction you've received in psychology.
 
2013-05-24 02:41:21 AM

Kahabut: Seriously Psigirl, you need a reality check, and it can not come through a TV, nor the (apparently) incompetent instruction you've received in psychology.


If a fat, bipolar college girl who claims to be psychic isn't the best person to ask about what motivates men to be the way they are, I don't know who is.
 
2013-05-24 02:46:39 AM

umad: Kahabut: Seriously Psigirl, you need a reality check, and it can not come through a TV, nor the (apparently) incompetent instruction you've received in psychology.

If a fat, bipolar college girl who claims to be psychic isn't the best person to ask about what motivates men to be the way they are, I don't know who is.


We should ask a well balanced individual with lots of life experience.  So, know anyone?
 
2013-05-24 02:55:06 AM
There is literally not one man in the world who was offended by that commercial.

If you were offended, upset, hurt, degraded, felt discriminated against or otherwise butthurt by that ad; you are not a man, you are at most a humanoid with a penis, stop pretending.
 
2013-05-24 06:14:01 AM

Anayalator: FTFA:  Further, she argues, men, who are in power in our society, cannot legitimately cry sexism. "You can say [this ad is] prejudiced, in bad taste, insulting, not funny," she said. "But it can't be sexist. Just like a black person can't be racist. Sexism is a word with a very specific meaning, which is a certain group having more access than another group to the things that make life worth living, such as high wages and good housing."

Um...


Dines' response is a primary example of why I don't like ______ Studies "experts".  They've simply cultivated a group of people with a tunnel-vision perspective on some social construct.  Then they exclude all dissenting opinions and monopolize the language and discussion by declaring themselves THE experts on whatever subject they're studying in order to minimize the opinions of whoever disagrees with them.

So here's the thing: based on her own definition of the word "sexist" or "racist", she's not wrong.  HOWEVER...

Dines appears to be laboring under the ridiculous notion that her definition is the only one, or even that it is the most relevant, important, or most widely used definition.  Her argument is useless not because what she's saying is wrong, strictly speaking, but because it totally fails to address the argument and instead starts a quibbling semantic war by insisting that the word only means what she says it does.

She is completely overlooking that for people who are NOT looking through the myopic lens of a Sociology-cum-Women's-Studies degree, that the more oft-used definition of the words "sexist" or "racist" are simply: acting or speaking in a way that shows inherent prejudices about another group, or the belief that a person in one group is inherently superior or worth more than someone in another group.

I find the common definition MORE USEFUL and MORE MEANINGFUL than hers.
Perhaps her definition is more useful in writing papers for Women's Studies courses, but it the problem with it is that being sexist or racist is no longer a function of what you do or say, but a function of who you are and where you live.  If you are not sexist it is not because you are a decent person who treats others equally, it simply means that you are a woman.  The term can no longer be used usefully to describe any person or action, it is simply an observation about which groups have the most power in a society.

The definition she is operating under may have a place in academic speech, or in observations of whole societies.  But she needs to find a different word for it, or at the very least understand that in non-academic settings, NO ONE is using her definition.  She should acknowledge that racially or sexually prejudicial behavior and speech IS distinct from simple insults, no matter who it comes from or who it is towards, and address the complaint on THOSE terms instead of just changing the subject.
 
2013-05-24 06:43:43 AM
Stella D'Oro Breakfast Treats


/It's the real commercial!
 
2013-05-24 07:22:24 AM
 They got one thing right.  Women can't change men.  ;)

It was just a horrible commercial.  Sexist...really?
 
2013-05-24 08:13:56 AM

WhippingBoy: Mugato: PsiChick: commercials like that train men to behave that way

Any man who changes his behavior according to some commercial is an idiot in the first place.

It's PsiChick. You're wasting your time responding. Soon she'll be posting absurd citations to counter arguments that absolutely no one has actually made.


But in a sick, twisted way I want to know how PsiChick can spin the SUV commercial in which men in the woods hear Dueling Banjos and run like hell because they're afraid of being raped all Deliverance style.
 
2013-05-24 08:44:07 AM

The Flexecutioner: redqueenmeg: The Flexecutioner: well, she married the guy on the couch, not the one in her dream.  he farts when he wants to and eats fried chicken in sweatpants on a couch while watching an awesome tv while she wears a business suit presumably on her way somewhere important just after walking out of the kitchen.  who's the stupid one?

crap, you just described my life till 2012.

i assume you ditched the zero and got with the hero?


The zero ditched me. Haven't found a hero.
 
2013-05-24 10:35:29 AM

redqueenmeg: The Flexecutioner: redqueenmeg: The Flexecutioner: well, she married the guy on the couch, not the one in her dream.  he farts when he wants to and eats fried chicken in sweatpants on a couch while watching an awesome tv while she wears a business suit presumably on her way somewhere important just after walking out of the kitchen.  who's the stupid one?

crap, you just described my life till 2012.

i assume you ditched the zero and got with the hero?

The zero ditched me. Haven't found a hero.


*jumps up from couch, wipes chicken grease from face with t-shirt, tucks in t-shirt*

Hey, how you doin?
 
2013-05-24 11:15:20 AM

bugontherug: fluffy2097: bugontherug: Anayalator: Um...

So did you happen to read beyond the line you bolded there? If you had, you might come to greater understanding of another's point of view.

How is a greater under understanding of the thought process of a retarded person relevant to the discussion.

/sexism is discrimination based on your gender. Not having something someone else wants.

I don't agree with her definition either--nor yours. But I won't call either of you retarded. Rather, I'll try to encapsulate what's really going on in ways that are fair to both points of view.

1) What really upsets her in the racism/sexism context is white men drawing false moral equivalences between racism by blacks against whites and sexism by women against men. Yes, black people can be racially prejudiced, and women can be sex-prejudiced. But she feels in both contexts that black on white racism/female on male sexism aren't real social problems. Blacks and women have less power to hurt whites/men because of their prejudices than whites/men have to hurt blacks/women because of theirs.

For what it's worth, I absolutely agree with her in the racism context. And 20 years ago I might have agreed with her in the sexism context too.

2) You've confused sexism with sex discrimination. But that's beside the point. What really has you upset is that in your life, you've felt unfairly attacked because either you are white, you are male, or both. You've experienced immense pressure in your life to overcome race and sex based judgments, and you think others should be held to the same standard. So when this professor comes along and says blacks can't be racist, and women can't be sexist, it's an affront to your sense of equity.

I think she's linguistically incorrect. I think her words demonstrate a misunderstanding of linguistics. Words mean what people use them to mean. And people use racism and sexism to describe prejudice based on race and sex, not merely majoritarian prejudice.

But I also t ...


Maybe I am confused, but my friend Merriam-Webster said it meant

1 : prejudice or discrimination based on sex;especially:discrimination against women
2: behavior, conditions, or attitudes that foster stereotypes of social roles based on sexBesides the dictionary, I can use her definition of the word, which was "Sexism is a word with a very specific meaning, which is a certain group having more access than another group to the things that make life worth living, such as high wages and good housing."There are innumerable situations in which any individual holding power can give preference to those with favorable (often like) attributes, including gender, race, age, etc. I did, in fact, read beyond the highlighted portion, and while I understand and appreciate her opinion, she is wrong.

encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
 
2013-05-24 11:29:34 AM

Mambo Bananapatch: redqueenmeg: The Flexecutioner: redqueenmeg: The Flexecutioner: well, she married the guy on the couch, not the one in her dream.  he farts when he wants to and eats fried chicken in sweatpants on a couch while watching an awesome tv while she wears a business suit presumably on her way somewhere important just after walking out of the kitchen.  who's the stupid one?

crap, you just described my life till 2012.

i assume you ditched the zero and got with the hero?

The zero ditched me. Haven't found a hero.

*jumps up from couch, wipes chicken grease from face with t-shirt, tucks in t-shirt*

Hey, how you doin?


ahahahahahaha.  :D  Well played.
 
2013-05-24 11:51:23 AM

heili skrimsli: WhippingBoy: Mugato: PsiChick: commercials like that train men to behave that way

Any man who changes his behavior according to some commercial is an idiot in the first place.

It's PsiChick. You're wasting your time responding. Soon she'll be posting absurd citations to counter arguments that absolutely no one has actually made.

But in a sick, twisted way I want to know how PsiChick can spin the SUV commercial in which men in the woods hear Dueling Banjos and run like hell because they're afraid of being raped all Deliverance style.


No worries. When she enters a thread, it *is* kind of like a real life version of Rain Man or Forest Gump, so there's definitely some entertainment value.
 
2013-05-24 12:18:57 PM

Kahabut: PsiChick: SearchN: Gail Dines, an expert on sexist images in the media and a professor of sociology and women's studies at Wheelock College in Boston, agrees. "It's not funny because it normalizes masculine behavior and makes a joke of it," she told Yahoo! Shine in a phone interview. "It's the reality of many women's lives, who get dinner ready, take care of the children, help with homework and do the housework, while the husbands are, in fact, sloth-like."

She almost made it through without slipping and showing the man hate card. So close. Maybe next time.

That's called the 'Mook' by advertisers. Yes, it exists IRL. She's stating fact, not opinion, and she's right; commercials like that train men to behave that way (along with a lot of other culture).  That's part of why it's sexist; it's encouraging that culture. Half the men I know act like this, and while I sympathize--you are what culture makes you--maybe we should change that culture so we aren't just farking men over.

You really are right off the deep end, and the best part is, it's entirely clear you actually think you are progressive and intelligent.

I'll explain.  Someone makes a pretty good point, while ignoring the blatant sexism and stereotyping of the original author.  You then take that blatant bullshiat one step further and pretend like this is some kind of trend.  Is the concept real?  Sure, the media portrayal constant, probably, I don't know.  What I do know is that, as with almost all things, the stereotype is false, stupid and bigoted.

Not only does the original point pretend that women do all the house work and raise the kids and cook the food.  In and of itself ridiculous.  But you go on and reinforce that bullshiat with your own bullshiat, something along the lines of "men are lazy and disgusting, but it's not their fault because TV made them that way".

Seriously Psigirl, you need a reality check, and it can not come through a TV, nor the (apparently) incompetent instruction you've rece ...


During the height of Western misogyny, there were pioneer women books nowadays are being written about. Why the hell do you think a minor trend nowadays is going to encompass every single man? No, not every man acts like that, but it happens  often enough to be noticeable and annoying. If we waited until 100% of the group being taught to act like idiots were falling in line, we'd never correct any social problem.

heili skrimsli: WhippingBoy: Mugato: PsiChick: commercials like that train men to behave that way

Any man who changes his behavior according to some commercial is an idiot in the first place.

It's PsiChick. You're wasting your time responding. Soon she'll be posting absurd citations to counter arguments that absolutely no one has actually made.

But in a sick, twisted way I want to know how PsiChick can spin the SUV commercial in which men in the woods hear Dueling Banjos and run like hell because they're afraid of being raped all Deliverance style.


I've never seen it, so I'd imagine the answer is 'someone in the advertising department was smoking weed'.

/You know, I come into the thread  defending the idea this commercial is sexist, and people are still calling me names and being utterly biatchy about it. This says something.
 
2013-05-24 01:02:24 PM

PsiChick: During the height of Western misogyny, there were pioneer women books nowadays are being written about.


What?

 Why the hell do you think a minor trend nowadays is going to encompass every single man? No, not every man acts like that, but it happens  often enough to be noticeable and annoying. If we waited until 100% of the group being taught to act like idiots were falling in line, we'd never correct any social problem.

I don't think you have any idea what you are talking about.  If I said there was a major trend in young women, where they believe all men are rapists, and lazy, and stupid, and generally are the bad guys... if I said that, would you recognize that you are one of those women?  Would you know that your supposed psychology is almost entirely bullshiat?

Also, and I want to be super clear about this part, if you or anyone you know or have met is being "trained" by TV...   Actually no..  EVERYONE you know is in fact being trained by TV, except that you all seem to have forgotten that there is NO REALITY in that box, none what so ever.

PsiChick: /You know, I come into the thread  defending the idea this commercial is sexist, and people are still calling me names and being utterly biatchy about it. This says something.


Mainly that we think you are a complete tool and even if what you said was factually accurate (and we both know it isn't), it would be our duty to point out how idiotic you are acting.
 
2013-05-24 01:09:22 PM

Kahabut: PsiChick: During the height of Western misogyny, there were pioneer women books nowadays are being written about.

What?

 Why the hell do you think a minor trend nowadays is going to encompass every single man? No, not every man acts like that, but it happens  often enough to be noticeable and annoying. If we waited until 100% of the group being taught to act like idiots were falling in line, we'd never correct any social problem.

I don't think you have any idea what you are talking about.  If I said there was a major trend in young women, where they believe all men are rapists, and lazy, and stupid, and generally are the bad guys... if I said that, would you recognize that you are one of those women?  Would you know that your supposed psychology is almost entirely bullshiat?

Also, and I want to be super clear about this part, if you or anyone you know or have met is being "trained" by TV...   Actually no..  EVERYONE you know is in fact being trained by TV, except that you all seem to have forgotten that there is NO REALITY in that box, none what so ever.

PsiChick: /You know, I come into the thread  defending the idea this commercial is sexist, and people are still calling me names and being utterly biatchy about it. This says something.

Mainly that we think you are a complete tool and even if what you said was factually accurate (and we both know it isn't), it would be our duty to point out how idiotic you are acting.


Okay. Have fun defending yourselves in the thread.
 
2013-05-24 01:11:22 PM

PsiChick: Kahabut: PsiChick: During the height of Western misogyny, there were pioneer women books nowadays are being written about.

What?

 Why the hell do you think a minor trend nowadays is going to encompass every single man? No, not every man acts like that, but it happens  often enough to be noticeable and annoying. If we waited until 100% of the group being taught to act like idiots were falling in line, we'd never correct any social problem.

I don't think you have any idea what you are talking about.  If I said there was a major trend in young women, where they believe all men are rapists, and lazy, and stupid, and generally are the bad guys... if I said that, would you recognize that you are one of those women?  Would you know that your supposed psychology is almost entirely bullshiat?

Also, and I want to be super clear about this part, if you or anyone you know or have met is being "trained" by TV...   Actually no..  EVERYONE you know is in fact being trained by TV, except that you all seem to have forgotten that there is NO REALITY in that box, none what so ever.

PsiChick: /You know, I come into the thread  defending the idea this commercial is sexist, and people are still calling me names and being utterly biatchy about it. This says something.

Mainly that we think you are a complete tool and even if what you said was factually accurate (and we both know it isn't), it would be our duty to point out how idiotic you are acting.

Okay. Have fun defending yourselves in the thread.


You are the only one I have to fight against, and you just gave up.
 
2013-05-24 01:16:12 PM

balki1867: fusillade762: Also the wife has to be svelte and gorgeous and the husband has to be a fat schlub.

[queens.brownstoner.com image 497x373]


www.nationmaster.com
 
2013-05-24 01:19:37 PM

PsiChick: Okay. Have fun defending yourselves in the thread.


Run, Forest, Run!
 
2013-05-24 01:28:22 PM

bugontherug: God-is-a-Taco: bugontherug:
I don't agree with her definition either--nor yours. But I won't call either of you retarded. Rather, I'll try to encapsulate what's really going on in ways that are fair to both points of view.

I don't think this post makes sense to anyone that hasn't majored in sociology or women's  or [race]'s studies.
Kudos on playing psychologist, though, it adds more credibility for you to someone out there... possibly.

I didn't major in sociology, gender studies, or race studies. I've never even taken such a class. My undergraduate degree is from a small, very conservative university with very conservative student body. In 1992, the first choice in the Republican primary on my campus was Pat Buchanan. My course of studies included classes with classically ethnocentric names like "early western civilization," "modern western civilization," and "colonial American life."

It doesn't speak well of you that you equate trying to see the world from another's point of view with "playing psychologist." Your sort of egocentrism (an actual psychology term!) is a big part of what's wrong with America today.


Liberty U?
 
2013-05-24 01:31:13 PM

PsiChick: /You know, I come into the thread  defending the idea this commercial is sexist, and people are still calling me names and being utterly biatchy about it. This says something.


Because you are framing it as being sexist against women, like you do for absolutely everything else. Everything out of your mouth is horseshiat.
 
2013-05-24 01:39:36 PM

WhippingBoy: No worries. When she enters a thread, it *is* kind of like a real life version of Rain Man or Forest Gump, so there's definitely some entertainment value.


I want to poke it with a stick and see what happens!

PsiChick: I've never seen it, so I'd imagine the answer is 'someone in the advertising department was smoking weed'.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTW9RoguqK8

It's like so funny that they're afraid of potentially being raped!

Kahabut: Mainly that we think you are a complete tool and even if what you said was factually accurate (and we both know it isn't), it would be our duty to point out how idiotic you are acting.


Well that's a wordy way of putting 'You're well known as the village crackpot.'
 
2013-05-24 02:00:55 PM

stirfrybry: I think the husband was some kind of homosexual or something. Tjat's why he farted. His anus was so stretched out from anal sex, he had no hope of keeping the gas from escaping his love chute


Perhaps he was slack-sphinctored from years of savage pegging by his domineering wife. Likewise his dimwitted expression is all that's left of what was once a promising young engineer, artist, and athlete. When they met in college he was a double major in electrical engineering and astro-physics. On the side he composed music which he performed at bars and restaurants around their town. And he painted. Mostly oils but some watercolors. The president of their university commissioned him to paint his portait, and one of his family and paid him well for it. He had sponsorships for his lab work from General Electric, NASA, Lockheed, and the European Space Agency. And then he fell in love.

It was fun at first. She enjoyed his music and art, together they shared the magic of starlit nights at the observatory. He was fascinated by her studies of comparative literature. Being an engineer and a visual artist, he never really took the time to learn the complexities of language and written expression, and through his relationship to her his mind was opened to a whole new spectrum of human experience. The beauty of the words, the stories, the poetry, and all the images painted not on his canvas, but in his mind, by her writing gave him a fresh perspective on his own life and humanity at large. It was this joy that he'd found in his life with her that prompted him to hold fast to this radiant creature of inspiration and passion.

After the wedding, a loud and expensive affair filled with a dozen bridesmaids and fountains of champagne, dancers parading around exotic fruit platters, and wandering violinists. It took several days in all. They took an apartment in Manhattan. She had him paint it. And paint it again. And once more. Then she asked him to paint her portrait. And her nude. And her abstract. Out in the park. On the beach. Again in the park. Now with her new haircut. Write her a song. Not that song, a different one. And why are you at work so much, are you seeing someone else? I miss you. When can we start a family? I thought you wanted children. You used to have so much ambition. The only way I can respect you is if you submit to me as a woman submits to a man. This is my strap-on. You will learn to love it. And even if you don't you will learn to respect it.

Morning, noon, nighttime, she tormented him with it. "Pleasure me!" she'd demand. Stand right there, hold the vibrator just so, now...DON'T MOVE! uuhhnnnnnn unnnnnnn AAAHHHH!!!!!! OK, now, it's Mama's Turn. Endless pounding. At first it was erotic and exciting, but after weeks and weeks of this treatment he became delirious from sleep deprivation. She'd force him to wear increasingly larger butt-plugs, not just at home but when he went to work. All so he'd be capable of receiving whatever indignity she chose to thrust into him. And he took it. He took it all because he loved her and wanted her to be happy. But a man can only give so much. His music stopped. The painting was gone except for her frequent re-decorating demands, but that was never creative, merely toil to please her.

His professional work came to an end on the morning of a critical presentation of an interplanetary navigation system which could revolutionize space travel and unite the major space agencies of the world in a new age of exploration. The night before he was to show the world his remarkable vision, she was in a foul mood of lust and rage and kept him trussed to the bed for 5 hours while she would pose and reposition him, penetrating him deeply with her strapped-on phalluses. Now the big one. Now the long one. Now the nubby one. Now from the top. Now from the bottom. She plugged him up and left him bound like a Christmas goose as she went to the kitchen for a snack, then fell asleep on the sofa. No sleep for him, though. And in this ragged condition, after months of this treatment, he failed miserably when his golden moment finally arrived. He was late, disheveled, unwashed, smelling of sexual lubricants and his own feces which he could barely contain, his bowels so cruelly distended and abused by his wife. The woman he once saw as his perfect companion. The yin to his yang. But that dream was gone.

Now he's a flatuent idiot, reduced to a servile imbecile for her amusement and nothing more. Sometimes when she's high she dreams of what he might have been, but those dreams usually crash down in an ugly spiral of bitterness as the images inevitably return to her forcing his crawling servitude, and she awakes to find herself kneeling behind him, plunging one more humiliation into his ruined backside, his manhood atrophied. His sanity and self-respect, mere memories.
 
2013-05-24 02:06:46 PM

heili skrimsli: Kahabut: Mainly that we think you are a complete tool and even if what you said was factually accurate (and we both know it isn't), it would be our duty to point out how idiotic you are acting.

Well that's a wordy way of putting 'You're well known as the village crackpot.'


Just out of curiosity, because it could go either way, do you mean her or me as the crackpot?
 
2013-05-24 02:18:52 PM

umad: PsiChick: /You know, I come into the thread  defending the idea this commercial is sexist, and people are still calling me names and being utterly biatchy about it. This says something.

Because you are framing it as being sexist against women, like you do for absolutely everything else. Everything out of your mouth is horseshiat.


...Except for, you know, the entire argument, where I pointed out it's sexist against  men. Which argument are you reading?
 
2013-05-24 02:21:07 PM

umad: PsiChick: /You know, I come into the thread  defending the idea this commercial is sexist, and people are still calling me names and being utterly biatchy about it. This says something.

Because you are framing it as being sexist against women, like you do for absolutely everything else. Everything out of your mouth is horseshiat.


He means this in the nicest possible way.
 
2013-05-24 02:22:07 PM

Kahabut: Just out of curiosity, because it could go either way, do you mean her or me as the crackpot?


Her. Of course her.

I have no reason to think you're the village crackpot.
 
2013-05-24 02:24:01 PM

PsiChick: umad: PsiChick: /You know, I come into the thread  defending the idea this commercial is sexist, and people are still calling me names and being utterly biatchy about it. This says something.

Because you are framing it as being sexist against women, like you do for absolutely everything else. Everything out of your mouth is horseshiat.

...Except for, you know, the entire argument, where I pointed out it's sexist against  men. Which argument are you reading?


As just one fine example of your hypocrisy.

No, not every man acts like that, but it happensoften enough to be noticeable and annoying.

You claim to call it sexist against men, and then you say that the stereotype is REAL and annoying.  Do you not see how those two things aren't compatible?
 
2013-05-24 02:33:14 PM

AngryJailhouseFistfark: stirfrybry: I think the husband was some kind of homosexual or something. Tjat's why he farted. His anus was so stretched out from anal sex, he had no hope of keeping the gas from escaping his love chute

Perhaps he was slack-sphinctored from years of savage pegging by his domineering wife. Likewise his dimwitted expression is all that's left of what was once a promising young engineer, artist, and athlete. When they met in college he was a double major in electrical engineering and astro-physics. On the side he composed music which he performed at bars and restaurants around their town. And he painted. Mostly oils but some watercolors. The president of their university commissioned him to paint his portait, and one of his family and paid him well for it. He had sponsorships for his lab work from General Electric, NASA, Lockheed, and the European Space Agency. And then he fell in love.

It was fun at first. She enjoyed his music and art, together they shared the magic of starlit nights at the observatory. He was fascinated by her studies of comparative literature. Being an engineer and a visual artist, he never really took the time to learn the complexities of language and written expression, and through his relationship to her his mind was opened to a whole new spectrum of human experience. The beauty of the words, the stories, the poetry, and all the images painted not on his canvas, but in his mind, by her writing gave him a fresh perspective on his own life and humanity at large. It was this joy that he'd found in his life with her that prompted him to hold fast to this radiant creature of inspiration and passion.

After the wedding, a loud and expensive affair filled with a dozen bridesmaids and fountains of champagne, dancers parading around exotic fruit platters, and wandering violinists. It took several days in all. They took an apartment in Manhattan. She had him paint it. And paint it again. And once more. Then she asked him to paint her portrait. And her ...


That's one of the most disturbing, well-written things I've ever read on Fark. Bravo, sir.
 
2013-05-24 04:05:22 PM
Wait....

People still watch TV?

And listen to what women say?

Wow.
 
2013-05-24 05:45:33 PM

heili skrimsli: Kahabut: Just out of curiosity, because it could go either way, do you mean her or me as the crackpot?

Her. Of course her.

I have no reason to think you're the village crackpot.


Well, you just don't know me that well.  There is room for more than one crackpot on fark, right?
 
2013-05-24 06:04:11 PM

AngryJailhouseFistfark: stirfrybry: I think the husband was some kind of homosexual or something. Tjat's why he farted. His anus was so stretched out from anal sex, he had no hope of keeping the gas from escaping his love chute

Perhaps he was slack-sphinctored from years of savage pegging by his domineering wife. Likewise his dimwitted expression is all that's left of what was once a promising young engineer, artist, and athlete. When they met in college he was a double major in electrical engineering and astro-physics. On the side he composed music which he performed at bars and restaurants around their town. And he painted. Mostly oils but some watercolors. The president of their university commissioned him to paint his portait, and one of his family and paid him well for it. He had sponsorships for his lab work from General Electric, NASA, Lockheed, and the European Space Agency. And then he fell in love.

It was fun at first. She enjoyed his music and art, together they shared the magic of starlit nights at the observatory. He was fascinated by her studies of comparative literature. Being an engineer and a visual artist, he never really took the time to learn the complexities of language and written expression, and through his relationship to her his mind was opened to a whole new spectrum of human experience. The beauty of the words, the stories, the poetry, and all the images painted not on his canvas, but in his mind, by her writing gave him a fresh perspective on his own life and humanity at large. It was this joy that he'd found in his life with her that prompted him to hold fast to this radiant creature of inspiration and passion.

After the wedding, a loud and expensive affair filled with a dozen bridesmaids and fountains of champagne, dancers parading around exotic fruit platters, and wandering violinists. It took several days in all. They took an apartment in Manhattan. She had him paint it. And paint it again. And once more. Then she asked him to paint her portrait. And her ...


i1217.photobucket.com
 
2013-05-24 06:13:27 PM
LadySusan:

Sure, he gets to be CEO, and she gets to be Good Wife.

/not outraged, just amused
 
2013-05-24 08:01:07 PM

Kahabut: heili skrimsli: Kahabut: Just out of curiosity, because it could go either way, do you mean her or me as the crackpot?

Her. Of course her.

I have no reason to think you're the village crackpot.

Well, you just don't know me that well.  There is room for more than one crackpot on fark, right?


You have your work cut out for you if you want to be in her league though.
 
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