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2013-05-23 05:04:59 PM
And here I thought the folks that made SAP already had a nice array of neurological disorders already.
 
2013-05-23 05:06:30 PM
Why is that stupid, subby?  Often the brain issues we refer to as autism lend themselves to this kind of work.  Would you rather they be flipping burgers at McDonald's?
 
2013-05-23 05:07:44 PM
You are a stranger
kennethauthor.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-05-23 05:12:13 PM
Corporations will exploit anyone and anything for money, so I guess this isn't surprising.
This seems like it would be risky for PR, but I'm sure they weighed the options and thought it was worth it.
I suppose the field isn't really full of social butterflies to begin with.
 
2013-05-23 05:12:13 PM
The SAP that produces bland mass market "business management" software?  Woooo.  Cutting edge stuff.  I can see how you would truly have to think outside the box for such trailblazing computational theory.
 
2013-05-23 05:12:42 PM

MightyPez: And here I thought the folks that made SAP already had a nice array of neurological disorders already.


Definitely need to proof my posts, definitely.
 
2013-05-23 05:16:54 PM
FTA "...six people with autism were hired as software testers..."

Poor bastards. They'll never see the light of day ever again.
 
2013-05-23 05:18:05 PM
Any programmer who says they are a competent programmer is automatically removed from consideration of being a competent programmer.

Everyone's code sucks. Especially mine

//Fark comment
//@author Swoop1809
 
2013-05-23 05:21:56 PM

Swoop1809: Any programmer who says they are a competent programmer is automatically removed from consideration of being a competent programmer.

Everyone's code sucks. Especially mine

//Fark comment
//@author Swoop1809


Documentation!
 
2013-05-23 05:24:56 PM
Is this really that controversial? My place of business hired an autistic worker who is brilliant. I mean maybe we could've found somebody better but I like the guy.
 
2013-05-23 05:25:24 PM

Swoop1809: Any programmer who says they are a competent programmer is automatically removed from consideration of being a competent programmer.

Everyone's code sucks. Especially mine

//Fark comment
//@author Swoop1809


Speak for yourself, chump. I'm a rockstar brogrammer. I crush code like I crush beer cans on my forehead. Now...where'd the office slampiece run off to?
 
2013-05-23 05:27:22 PM
I work with one programmer that rocks... back and forth in his chair during meetings.

He's an excellent programer and brilliant algorithms guy.
 
2013-05-23 05:27:35 PM

StoPPeRmobile: Swoop1809: Any programmer who says they are a competent programmer is automatically removed from consideration of being a competent programmer.

Everyone's code sucks. Especially mine

//Fark comment
//@author Swoop1809

Documentation!


The code is self-documenting.
 
2013-05-23 05:28:14 PM

badLogic: StoPPeRmobile: Swoop1809: Any programmer who says they are a competent programmer is automatically removed from consideration of being a competent programmer.

Everyone's code sucks. Especially mine

//Fark comment
//@author Swoop1809

Documentation!

The code is self-documenting.


And self testing.
 
2013-05-23 05:30:29 PM

meat0918: badLogic: StoPPeRmobile: Swoop1809: Any programmer who says they are a competent programmer is automatically removed from consideration of being a competent programmer.

Everyone's code sucks. Especially mine

//Fark comment
//@author Swoop1809

Documentation!

The code is self-documenting.

And self testing.


Is self testing when you run the program you coded yourself and try to find bugs? If so, then my code is also self testing.
 
2013-05-23 05:31:29 PM

StoPPeRmobile: Swoop1809: Any programmer who says they are a competent programmer is automatically removed from consideration of being a competent programmer.

Everyone's code sucks. Especially mine

//Fark comment
//@author Swoop1809

Documentation!


The documentation is a lie.
 
2013-05-23 05:36:13 PM

meat0918: badLogic: StoPPeRmobile: Swoop1809: Any programmer who says they are a competent programmer is automatically removed from consideration of being a competent programmer.

Everyone's code sucks. Especially mine

//Fark comment
//@author Swoop1809

Documentation!

The code is self-documenting.

And self testing.


Did it become self-aware at 2:14 a.m. Eastern time, August 29th.?
 
2013-05-23 05:36:56 PM

Shazam999: StoPPeRmobile: Swoop1809: Any programmer who says they are a competent programmer is automatically removed from consideration of being a competent programmer.

Everyone's code sucks. Especially mine

//Fark comment
//@author Swoop1809

Documentation!

The documentation is a lie.


I try to make sure that my documentation is close enough to correct that it'll take anyone reading it a couple hours to find out where it's not.
 
2013-05-23 05:40:54 PM

ThrobblefootSpectre: The SAP that produces bland mass market "business management" software?  Woooo.  Cutting edge stuff.  I can see how you would truly have to think outside the box for such trailblazing computational theory.


What do you think gave computers a boost in the first place? A few scientists here and there solving differential equations? Or banks balancing accounts and companies doing payroll???
 
2013-05-23 05:45:53 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: ThrobblefootSpectre: The SAP that produces bland mass market "business management" software?  Woooo.  Cutting edge stuff.  I can see how you would truly have to think outside the box for such trailblazing computational theory.

What do you think gave computers a boost in the first place? A few scientists here and there solving differential equations? Or banks balancing accounts and companies doing payroll???


whynotboth.jif
 
2013-05-23 05:50:57 PM

rdu_voyager: Quantum Apostrophe: ThrobblefootSpectre: The SAP that produces bland mass market "business management" software?  Woooo.  Cutting edge stuff.  I can see how you would truly have to think outside the box for such trailblazing computational theory.

What do you think gave computers a boost in the first place? A few scientists here and there solving differential equations? Or banks balancing accounts and companies doing payroll???

whynotboth.jif


thegeekydream.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-05-23 06:03:21 PM

rdu_voyager: Quantum Apostrophe: ThrobblefootSpectre: The SAP that produces bland mass market "business management" software?  Woooo.  Cutting edge stuff.  I can see how you would truly have to think outside the box for such trailblazing computational theory.

What do you think gave computers a boost in the first place? A few scientists here and there solving differential equations? Or banks balancing accounts and companies doing payroll???

whynotboth.jif


Which was the larger market?
 
2013-05-23 06:04:28 PM
As a developer I find a fair amount of my work is talking to other employees to find out what they want, project management, and communications. Isn't that going to be a problem?
 
2013-05-23 06:06:53 PM

limeyfellow: As a developer I find a fair amount of my work is talking to other employees to find out what they want, project management, and communications. Isn't that going to be a problem?


i101.photobucket.com
So THAT'S why his job was so important.  All of the engineers had autism.
 
2013-05-23 06:15:26 PM

limeyfellow: As a developer I find a fair amount of my work is talking to other employees to find out what they want, project management, and communications. Isn't that going to be a problem?


Sorta THIS

I've got a friend with aspergers who is a seriously hardcore dev. Give him code to optimise and he'll optimise it forever, making it damn perfect. On the other hand, I would never let him near users.

The problem in the computing field is that we need far less hardcore devs than we did. Most people don't need to opimise code - it's cheaper to buy another server for most businesses.
 
2013-05-23 06:18:58 PM

Swoop1809: Any programmer who says they are a competent programmer is automatically removed from consideration of being a competent programmer.

Everyone's code sucks. Especially mine

//Fark comment
//@author Swoop1809


Everybody's code sucks. But not mine!

/*Fark comment
@author NateAsbestos
 
2013-05-23 06:20:24 PM

farkeruk: limeyfellow: As a developer I find a fair amount of my work is talking to other employees to find out what they want, project management, and communications. Isn't that going to be a problem?

Sorta THIS

I've got a friend with aspergers who is a seriously hardcore dev. Give him code to optimise and he'll optimise it forever, making it damn perfect. On the other hand, I would never let him near users.

The problem in the computing field is that we need far less hardcore devs than we did. Most people don't need to opimise code - it's cheaper to buy another server for most businesses.


Strangely enough I work with a DBA who I am fairly certain is autistic. Which would be fine if he weren't also a major assknob to everybody all the time. I have no idea how his DBA skills are but he's still around so I guess they don't hate him they way I do. Maybe I'll send him the link to SAP's applications page...
 
2013-05-23 06:20:59 PM
This is actually a smart thing to do.  High level autistics' myopic focus on things that interest them is a good trait to capitalize on.  Not every worker needs to be a smooth talking, interview acing social butterfly.   There are too many companies with people that interview well and look good on paper, but have subpar productivity.

The biggest risk is that their autistic workforce suddenly loses interest in what they are doing and finds something else to occupy their mind, like becoming all knowing masters of swing jazz genre music, after hearing a song during company pep rally...or stacking cups.

If I was a SAP coder, I'd have the fear of God if I had to compete with an aspie that has no problem with devoting all of their energies into a single problem+overtime.
 
2013-05-23 06:23:11 PM

farkeruk: limeyfellow: As a developer I find a fair amount of my work is talking to other employees to find out what they want, project management, and communications. Isn't that going to be a problem?

Sorta THIS

I've got a friend with aspergers who is a seriously hardcore dev. Give him code to optimise and he'll optimise it forever, making it damn perfect. On the other hand, I would never let him near users.

The problem in the computing field is that we need far less hardcore devs than we did. Most people don't need to opimise code - it's cheaper to buy another server for most businesses.


Yes, a payroll programs isn't going to tax hardware too much, but an inventory system having issues can cost millions in a single day. Many games and CAD need plenty of optimization too.
 
2013-05-23 06:24:29 PM
I don't mean to sound aloof, but my specialty is spinning up GUIs in Visual Basic to track killers' IPs. Or was it ISPs?
 
2013-05-23 06:27:25 PM

limeyfellow: As a developer I find a fair amount of my work is talking to other employees to find out what they want, project management, and communications. Isn't that going to be a problem?


Typically you should be described as an analyst/programmer then.  Pure developers are kept in cages with a computer, some monitors and junk food.
 
2013-05-23 06:34:00 PM
http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/

If any developers haven't heard of this and need some chuckles.
 
2013-05-23 06:36:29 PM
Hmmm, SAP has an office in Vancouver, but I don't remember anyone in my polytech class actually wanting to go there after school.
MacDe, various game companies, Microsoft, even IBM, but never them.
 
2013-05-23 06:47:25 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: rdu_voyager: Quantum Apostrophe: ThrobblefootSpectre: The SAP that produces bland mass market "business management" software?  Woooo.  Cutting edge stuff.  I can see how you would truly have to think outside the box for such trailblazing computational theory.

What do you think gave computers a boost in the first place? A few scientists here and there solving differential equations? Or banks balancing accounts and companies doing payroll???

whynotboth.jif

Which was the larger market?


NASA.


/pulls pin, vacates area immediately
 
2013-05-23 06:53:13 PM

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Quantum Apostrophe: rdu_voyager: Quantum Apostrophe: ThrobblefootSpectre: The SAP that produces bland mass market "business management" software?  Woooo.  Cutting edge stuff.  I can see how you would truly have to think outside the box for such trailblazing computational theory.

What do you think gave computers a boost in the first place? A few scientists here and there solving differential equations? Or banks balancing accounts and companies doing payroll???

whynotboth.jif

Which was the larger market?

NASA. NSA


/pulls pin, vacates area immediately


Fixed that for ya...
 
2013-05-23 06:53:15 PM

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Quantum Apostrophe: rdu_voyager: Quantum Apostrophe: ThrobblefootSpectre: The SAP that produces bland mass market "business management" software?  Woooo.  Cutting edge stuff.  I can see how you would truly have to think outside the box for such trailblazing computational theory.

What do you think gave computers a boost in the first place? A few scientists here and there solving differential equations? Or banks balancing accounts and companies doing payroll???

whynotboth.jif

Which was the larger market?

NASA.


/pulls pin, vacates area immediately


Now you've done it. I'm gonna 3D print a response to that, but I'll need about a week of tweaks to get it right.
 
2013-05-23 07:01:51 PM

God-is-a-Taco: Corporations will exploit anyone and anything for money, so I guess this isn't surprising.
This seems like it would be risky for PR, but I'm sure they weighed the options and thought it was worth it.
I suppose the field isn't really full of social butterflies to begin with.


So all forms of employment are exploitation right?
 
2013-05-23 07:03:09 PM
oblig-
imgs.xkcd.com
 
2013-05-23 07:09:40 PM

badLogic: oblig-
[imgs.xkcd.com image 587x254]


I often amuse myself by imagining the scenario where humans are being observed by a 3rd party species... and that species is all    "wtf?  They just sit in one place being stimulated by lights.  the system brings them food, takes away their waste, and all they do is sit there hypnotized!"
 
2013-05-23 07:11:43 PM

farkeruk: limeyfellow: As a developer I find a fair amount of my work is talking to other employees to find out what they want, project management, and communications. Isn't that going to be a problem?

Sorta THIS

I've got a friend with aspergers who is a seriously hardcore dev. Give him code to optimise and he'll optimise it forever, making it damn perfect. On the other hand, I would never let him near users.

The problem in the computing field is that we need far less hardcore devs than we did. Most people don't need to opimise code - it's cheaper to buy another server for most businesses.


Highlighted portion is incorrect.  We do need more hardcore, competent devs.  Those FPGAs, ASICS and other flavors of embedded systems don't design or program themselves and ain't no "brogrammer" gonna do it.  There are also important scientific and engineering applications that need to be developed.

Maybe you were talking about ratios... we *do* need more lightweight programmers who think it's "sick" to make the next social networking oriented app, or similar, since that type of software has become mainstream with consumers.
 
2013-05-23 07:12:10 PM

Alonjar: badLogic: oblig-
[imgs.xkcd.com image 587x254]

I often amuse myself by imagining the scenario where humans are being observed by a 3rd party species... and that species is all    "wtf?  They just sit in one place being stimulated by lights.  the system brings them food, takes away their waste, and all they do is sit there hypnotized!"


That's quite original.

faculty.washington.edu
 
2013-05-23 07:12:18 PM

gozar_the_destroyer: Yes, a payroll programs isn't going to tax hardware too much, but an inventory system having issues can cost millions in a single day.


Not just can cost, but will cost millions a day. If you've never been involved in a major company's transition over to SAP, well than Good. Lord. It makes actual nightmares seem downright pleasant.
 
2013-05-23 07:22:33 PM

neocenturion: meat0918: badLogic: StoPPeRmobile: Swoop1809: Any programmer who says they are a competent programmer is automatically removed from consideration of being a competent programmer.

Everyone's code sucks. Especially mine

//Fark comment
//@author Swoop1809

Documentation!

The code is self-documenting.

And self testing.

Is self testing when you run the program you coded yourself and try to find bugs? If so, then my code is also self testing.


As someone who manages User Acceptance Testing for a living, I'm getting a kick out of these replies.
 
2013-05-23 07:25:17 PM
farkeruk:Most people don't need to opimise code - it's cheaper to buy another server for most businesses.

You are correct about this.
However, it's that sort of asinine thinking that has led to the absurd mess we're in now. Issuing patches every month is not a good thing, but it's now normal practice.  If your code sucks that bad...don't release it.

Oh, and here's a 200mb "patch" for the fully functional file reader you installed, which is only 30mb to start with. Because, you know, that makes perfect sense.

What we need are more coders that know what the fark they are doing.
 
2013-05-23 07:34:52 PM

VTGremlin: gozar_the_destroyer: Yes, a payroll programs isn't going to tax hardware too much, but an inventory system having issues can cost millions in a single day.

Not just can cost, but will cost millions a day. If you've never been involved in a major company's transition over to SAP, well than Good. Lord. It makes actual nightmares seem downright pleasant.


You should see a business that still runs paper based inventory management on site.

This happened once a month a company that I worked for:

"Where's that part we need to build this unit?"
"We have 16 of them here and more in the warehouse. I'll go and find them."
Half a shift of no production later...
"No, we have none on site. But we have 5 in the warehouse across town and they are on their way."
At the end of production day...
"The warehouse is out and the supplier has not received an order from us in 2 months. We will have to shut the line down for 3 days until they can get some to us."
After 3 days of no production and several million in sales delayed...
"We weren't putting the cards back into the little bucket when we pulled the part so inventory would order more."

/the orders for parts were sent in by hand to the suppliers and the person doing the ordering never noticed when we would just stop needing a critical part
\\they also never pre-ordered extra parts when we did ramp ups
 
2013-05-23 08:04:35 PM

deanayer: God-is-a-Taco: Corporations will exploit anyone and anything for money, so I guess this isn't surprising.
This seems like it would be risky for PR, but I'm sure they weighed the options and thought it was worth it.
I suppose the field isn't really full of social butterflies to begin with.

So all forms of employment are exploitation right?


Um, yes. Much in the same way that most forms of azure are blue.
 
2013-05-23 08:24:40 PM

timujin: Why is that stupid, subby?  Often the brain issues we refer to as autism lend themselves to this kind of work.  Would you rather they be flipping burgers at McDonald's?


That or staring into a snowglobe while imagining a hospital based TV drama.
 
2013-05-23 08:32:30 PM
So SAP found a group that'll work for minimum wage.
 
2013-05-23 08:32:51 PM

ds615: farkeruk:Most people don't need to opimise code - it's cheaper to buy another server for most businesses.

You are correct about this.
However, it's that sort of asinine thinking that has led to the absurd mess we're in now. Issuing patches every month is not a good thing, but it's now normal practice.  If your code sucks that bad...don't release it.

Oh, and here's a 200mb "patch" for the fully functional file reader you installed, which is only 30mb to start with. Because, you know, that makes perfect sense.

What we need are more coders that know what the fark they are doing.


Or are given the time to do what they are doing properly.
 
2013-05-23 08:45:55 PM

gnosis301: http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/

If any developers haven't heard of this and need some chuckles.


Good site. This one in particular had me lollin'.
 
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