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2013-05-23 10:27:17 AM
This is beyond farked-up.
I can't even come up with words to describe how farked-up this is.

This can do more to destroy morale and degrade the effecticve functioning of the Army than anything an enemy could do. I'm not engaging in hyperbole when I say that I think the commanders doing this sort of thing should be taken out and shot.
 
2013-05-23 11:08:18 AM

give me doughnuts: This is beyond farked-up.
I can't even come up with words to describe how farked-up this is.

This can do more to destroy morale and degrade the effecticve functioning of the Army than anything an enemy could do. I'm not engaging in hyperbole when I say that I think the commanders doing this sort of thing should be taken out and shot.


Maybe they should just be given an other-than-honorable discharge, and also cancer.
 
2013-05-23 11:15:54 AM
Yep. This is exactly why a lot of veterans are going to private psychologists for help with PTSD, ones who do pro-bono work; so their name doesn't show up anywhere. This sh*t is retarded.

/also, I'm on a list for the pro-bono PTSD help, but the veterans get moved to the top; I understand this, but I need help, too
 
2013-05-23 11:42:27 AM
Obvious tag last seen shivering on the corner with a "homeless, please give money" sign.
 
2013-05-23 11:42:36 AM
What? You thought Uncle Sam gave two shots about you?
 
2013-05-23 11:47:58 AM
This is super sucky.
 
2013-05-23 11:48:00 AM
Wait, wait. Isn't this the same military who "went to war with the army it had, not with the one it wished it had"?

The same military that violated rules of deployment established in WWII that stated extended combat tours (READ 15 MONTHS)  were terrible on men serving them. NOT TO MENTION REPEATED 15 MONTH TOURS OF COMBAT WITH NO TIME OFF BETWEEN TOURS!!1!

The same military whose Secretary of Defense violated tradition by not showing up at the Army Chief of Staff's retirement party? The same Army Chief of Staff Shinseki who told Congress we would need several hundred thousand troops to take and hold Iraq? (He was wrong though. We put 1.5 million military personnel into Iraq.)

Yeah, color me shocked.
 
2013-05-23 11:48:14 AM
Is anybody really surprised by this?

If a soldier goes all PTSD on post; the army could be liable.
 
2013-05-23 11:50:08 AM

Elandriel: give me doughnuts: This is beyond farked-up.
I can't even come up with words to describe how farked-up this is.

This can do more to destroy morale and degrade the effecticve functioning of the Army than anything an enemy could do. I'm not engaging in hyperbole when I say that I think the commanders doing this sort of thing should be taken out and shot.

Maybe they should just be given an other-than-honorable discharge, and also cancer.


You just take your standard S-1798s discharge form and write in "cancer" where it says "machine gun".
 
2013-05-23 11:50:34 AM
It's the peace dividend.


And there are drawdowns every now and then.   See 1985, 1995 etc...

meh...
 
2013-05-23 11:51:30 AM
WOOHOO! America! It'll be awesome when the billionaires have all the money because then they'll split it with everybody just because.
 
2013-05-23 11:51:59 AM
But, but, but...all the yellow ribbons! And TROOPS! and Bring 'Em On! and.....and....

You mean it's all nationalist cheerleading and bullshiat and there's no real sense of responsibility after the damage is done to the earnest young Americans who were sold the line of bullshiat?


My mind, it is blown.
 
2013-05-23 11:52:11 AM
but think of how many tax cuts this policy can pay for.
 
2013-05-23 11:54:23 AM
NPR was reporting on this years ago.
 
2013-05-23 11:55:22 AM
So they collected the cripples, the wounded, the maimed
And they shipped us back home to Australia
The armless, the legless, the blind, the insane
Those proud wounded heroes of Suvla
And as our ship pulled into Circular Quay
I looked at the place where my legs used to be
And thank Christ there was nobody waiting for me
To grieve and to mourn and to pity
And the band played Waltzing Matilda
As they carried us down the gangway
But nobody cheered, they just stood and stared
Then turned all their faces away
 
2013-05-23 11:58:43 AM
 
2013-05-23 11:59:11 AM

Pichu0102: Obvious tag last seen shivering on the corner with a "homeless, please give money" sign.


iheartscotch: Is anybody really surprised by this?

If a soldier goes all PTSD on post; the army could be liable.


flondrix: NPR was reporting on this years ago.


I'll take a This, That, and one of Those.
 
2013-05-23 12:02:39 PM
Remember when in 2009 0bama promised to create a seamless, computerized health record system for veterans

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-may-20-2013/america-s-heroes-r et urn---operation-enduring-wait


Thanks 0bama voters
 
2013-05-23 12:03:39 PM
Hey trust the government!  According to our fearless Socialist leaders (and useful idiots), they are here to help.  I wonder what they will do to normal citizens when they want to save money with Obamacare? ship them to Australia?  Deathpanel?
 
2013-05-23 12:04:34 PM

CapeFearCadaver: Yep. This is exactly why a lot of veterans are going to private psychologists for help with PTSD, ones who do pro-bono work; so their name doesn't show up anywhere. This sh*t is retarded.

/also, I'm on a list for the pro-bono PTSD help, but the veterans get moved to the top; I understand this, but I need help, too


Care to toss a link out? I'm unemployed and got diagnosed with PTSD last year. The free mental health clinic wanted to put me on a dozen meds and then said "Maybe this clinic isn't for you" when I pointed out that they were medicated something I didn't have and weren't giving me the therapy I know I need. Long-term counseling is apparently something that's not worthy of funding. *sigh*
 
2013-05-23 12:08:32 PM
As a soldier with PTSD who is being drummed out of the military, I only hope we can still afford the F-35. We must never lose sight of what's most important.
 
2013-05-23 12:09:18 PM

Headso: but think of how many tax cuts this policy can pay for.


Indeed. It's clever enough to discharge them, making them the VA's problem instead of gobbling up the DOD budget. But when you can work up a dishonorable, well, THAT is saving the American Taxpayer some serious money. I mean, used to be a guy'd get shot up, he'd be on a ventillator, he'd be fed through tubes for a while, maybe shiat in a bag for a few years, but generally have the common goddamn decency to die and be done with it. But today's kids with their cell phones and video games and Internets and expectations and body armors and kevlars and What Not, well, all blown up but still in one piece? PTSD and Traumatic Brain Injury keeps you from functioning and you're going to keep on living another 30 or 40 years? So you got your chimes rattled, son. Who doesn't when the cannon roars and the Freedom flows? No, no, no, that just won't do, son.

Send the bill to Mssr's Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, and the other genius, (and ass-deep in money) architects of the War on the Terror.


No goddamn good at all.
 
2013-05-23 12:09:30 PM

Peki: Care to toss a link out? I'm unemployed and got diagnosed with PTSD last year. The free mental health clinic wanted to put me on a dozen meds and then said "Maybe this clinic isn't for you" when I pointed out that they were medicated something I didn't have and weren't giving me the therapy I know I need. Long-term counseling is apparently something that's not worthy of funding. *sigh*


There's not a link... you just have to call dozens of psychologists in your area, explain your financial problems and your symptoms, ask if there's anyone they know who does pro bono work... Seriously, I called every psychologist who deals with PTSD within a 60 mile radius of me. Finally someone took a bit of heart and spoke with me over the phone for over an hour about everything, and she said she'd see what she could do... and explained the whole veterans get pushed to the top thing.
 
2013-05-23 12:09:47 PM
Obvious tag get med boarded out?
 
2013-05-23 12:10:38 PM
The way one fellow put it, a wounded soldier is like a spent cartridge; recycled if it's handy to do so, otherwise, discarded.
 
2013-05-23 12:12:07 PM

DrExplosion: As a soldier with PTSD who is being drummed out of the military, I only hope we can still afford the F-35. We must never lose sight of what's most important.


Well, if we can't maintain air supremacy, how are we going to fly in high value civilians for surprise visits and turkey dinners with the troops?
 
2013-05-23 12:18:11 PM
Not surprised at all. This Country only pretends to care about vets when it is convenient.

The 1%ers send them off to countries to fight for whatever cause du jour. When they have used them they toss them to the side as there is always fresh recruits waiting in the wings.

YAY Imperialism.
 
2013-05-23 12:19:32 PM
I was talking to a new guy in our fire department last night.   He is recently discharged from the Army with a 60% disability PTSD.

One of the other guy's started giving him crap about something stupid.   I turned to the other guy and said "be careful, he might snap and choke you to death".    Everyone laughed

What really bothered me is the guy is working at McDonalds now.   He says it is fine, with his disability check, his family is doing well.
 
2013-05-23 12:23:14 PM
as a soldier with ptsd, having already been outted from the army, and can't get proper farks given or treatment, i am really getting a kick out of nothing. I assume they are just quietly waiting for me to flip my shiat so they can go "See what happens when you fark a stranger in the ass, donny"
 
2013-05-23 12:24:06 PM

DrExplosion: As a soldier with PTSD who is being drummed out of the military, I only hope we can still afford the F-35. We must never lose sight of what's most important.


Agreed. They look so awesome and badass.
 
2013-05-23 12:25:27 PM
Fort Collins and 2006ish called, they want their news story back.
 
2013-05-23 12:25:57 PM

Peki: The free mental health clinic wanted to put me on a dozen meds and then said "Maybe this clinic isn't for you" when I pointed out that they were medicated something I didn't have


Also, you probably should go ahead and get on a couple of meds. You don't need dozens, just two. Something for depression and something for anxiety. It's what they give to everyone with PTSD, along with a therapy regiment which would be best, for both of us. I finally bit the bullet and went to a psychiatrist for some meds, I have health ins. through my company, but it sucks when it comes to MH treatment. so I'm paying $125 a month for 15 minutes and pills, and have just been eating more beans/rice/ramen and good meals are a treat. It's better than nothing.

/my county refused me because 1. I make slightly more money than their cut off and 2. I'm not a danger to myself or others.
 
2013-05-23 12:28:21 PM

Nacc: as a soldier with ptsd, having already been outted from the army, and can't get proper farks given or treatment, i am really getting a kick out of nothing. I assume they are just quietly waiting for me to flip my shiat so they can go "See what happens when you fark a stranger in the ass, donny"


Have you got your clock tower pick out yet?
 
2013-05-23 12:30:57 PM
But don't worry...the GOP is all over that gay marriage thing. Wounded vets? Not a priority. Gays and abortion? Hells yah! USA USA USA!!!
 
2013-05-23 12:31:11 PM
During WWI there emerged the phenomena of "shell shock" which for some meant that soldiers brains had been rattled by proximity to large explosions.

This phenomena started taking on interpretations of  psychological or moral failure where the victims were branded as cowards.

The modern view is to lump shell shock into post traumatic stress disorder where the condition results from experiencing horrible things (purely mental) while down playing actual brain damage.

The 2 conditions really need to be separated.

I had a relative who served in WWII and Korea and came out with hearing loss from being near firing artillery. He didn't seem to have psychological PTSD but eventually wound up deaf with dementia, you know like football players or boxers who take a lot of head shots.
 
2013-05-23 12:35:39 PM

Nacc: as a soldier with ptsd, having already been outted from the army, and can't get proper farks given or treatment, i am really getting a kick out of nothing. I assume they are just quietly waiting for me to flip my shiat so they can go "See what happens when you fark a stranger in the ass, donny"


Basically, yes. Most service members are being simply discarded once they are no longer of use.
 
2013-05-23 12:38:56 PM
We need to stop sending troops to the middle east and start sending them to Wall St. and Washington D.C.
 
2013-05-23 12:39:11 PM
No bites on the troll hook.

+1's all around.
 
2013-05-23 12:39:42 PM
Army tried to do this to me. My knee was so badly messed up my vision would blur with every step, but I 'racked up punishments' for being late to formation, being grouchy, etc.
Doctors prescribe pain pills, "Take these." The pill made me so loopy I couldn't focus at all. Then get written up for lack of focus. "Take these pills that say very specifically do not drive. Okay, now your unit says you have to drive."

The only reason I'm alive today is that a certain Colonel saw my paperwork as it crossed her desk and noticed that the long list of 'infractions' and 'punishments' didn't match up. "He was late to formation so you... had him do all the yardwork? He was grouchy so you... had him clean the bathrooms for a month... and it looks like he was on bathroom duty every month." She got me transferred to a good unit who restored my rank, let me get medical treatment, and I was given a medical discharge.
 
2013-05-23 12:42:21 PM

HairBolus: During WWI there emerged the phenomena of "shell shock" which for some meant that soldiers brains had been rattled by proximity to large explosions.

This phenomena started taking on interpretations of psychological or moral failure where the victims were branded as cowards.

The modern view is to lump shell shock into post traumatic stress disorder where the condition results from experiencing horrible things (purely mental) while down playing actual brain damage.


Extreme stress can also cause brain damage, so it doesn't even require violent explosions.

weiserfireman: I was talking to a new guy in our fire department last night. He is recently discharged from the Army with a 60% disability PTSD.

One of the other guy's started giving him crap about something stupid. I turned to the other guy and said "be careful, he might snap and choke you to death". Everyone laughed


Sounds like a real professional environment. When you can be so hurtful and callous you make it obvious helping people is not your true motivation in becoming a firefighter.
 
2013-05-23 12:42:55 PM
Does anyone honestly believe that the military at the end of the day is regarded as anything other conglomerate tool of government and corporate policy?  I mean, aside from dyed in the wool, military families.  It sure hasn't served the purpose of defending the country in a long time.
 
2013-05-23 12:43:47 PM

Sorry, are we not giving you bastards ENOUGH?

We can't pave roads, hire teachers, or provide healthcare to the poor. Now you're making it worse by kicking people out, and for what? Because you were born with a tiny little tadger and you've been trying to compensate for it all your life?

What a group of despicable cowards.

nvhs.uswww.sdvfp.org
www.usnews.com

 
2013-05-23 12:44:30 PM
This is another reason why I believe that the godamned pack of war profiteers we called the Bush Administration should be receiving hourly sandpaper suppositories until they bleed out.
 
2013-05-23 12:47:06 PM
Oh, I think I have an amazing example of the contempt for soldiers.
On a plane heading back to base from Iraq, half the plane in the coach section was soldiers in uniform. As the plane pulled into the station, the Captain said for passengers to remain seated and allow the soldiers in uniform off first so they could catch their connecting flight. We get up, grab our bags (We're all just traveling with a single backpack so we're quick about it), move to the front and... All of first class is also on their feet, fumbling with their bags, blocking the aisles, and we wait for another 5 minutes for the first class douchebags to get their stuff before we're able to exit the plane.
I noticed a phenomenom where teenagers wanted to 'thank me for my service', BUT... they insisted that their friend record them doing it so they could put it on facebook. They weren't really thanking me, they just wanted to be 'seen' thanking me because it was the 'cool thing to do.'
 
2013-05-23 12:49:07 PM

DrExplosion: As a soldier with PTSD who is being drummed out of the military, I only hope we can still afford the F-35. We must never lose sight of what's most important.


And the M1 tanks; we absolutely need those, too.
 
2013-05-23 12:49:17 PM

patthedog: Remember when in 2009 0bama promised to create a seamless, computerized health record system for veterans

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-may-20-2013/america-s-heroes-r et urn---operation-enduring-wait

Thanks 0bama voters


Having just sat through some DoD training on the topic, let me say that we have this already - active-duty service records are 100% digital. VA's got a mandate to go 100% digital, but with many more vets than active-duty, one can easily see why it's taking longer. Also, the VA moves slower than a glacial pace - right now, they're working on how to digitize the records and systems to make it easy for patients and providers to get their records, without making it easy for everyone else.

There are a farkton of rules about these records already, and the computer-people need to build an incredibly complex and interconnected system, that works at least as well as the one we have, all while following these existing rules AND fending off meddling by Congress.

// they've been working on this since the 80s
 
2013-05-23 12:49:51 PM

Elandriel: give me doughnuts: This is beyond farked-up.
I can't even come up with words to describe how farked-up this is.

This can do more to destroy morale and degrade the effecticve functioning of the Army than anything an enemy could do. I'm not engaging in hyperbole when I say that I think the commanders doing this sort of thing should be taken out and shot.

Maybe they should just be given an other-than-honorable discharge, and also cancer.


And not only their commanders but all the brass involved. And all the bureaucrats and politicians who let it go on.

Then again, if these stories get spread around enough maybe far fewer people will show up the next time they try to throw a war. Imagine not invading Farkedupistan because people know too much to get suckered into soldiering.
 
2013-05-23 12:50:38 PM

Securitywyrm: I noticed a phenomenom where teenagers wanted to 'thank me for my service', BUT... they insisted that their friend record them doing it so they could put it on facebook. They weren't really thanking me, they just wanted to be 'seen' thanking me because it was the 'cool thing to do.'


Well, atleast the cool thing to do isn't kick you in the nuts instead...
 
2013-05-23 12:51:30 PM
USA!
USA!
USA!
 
2013-05-23 12:52:09 PM

DrExplosion: As a soldier with PTSD who is being drummed out of the military, I only hope we can still afford the F-35. We must never lose sight of what's most important.


I have to ask the one, rat-bastard, life's-a-biatch question that really matters:
Are you mission-ready and deployable?

Yes, those slimy bastards in Congress deserve to be strung up by the 'nads for not fully funding and staffing the VA.

/Especially those two-faced, lying, stab-veterans-in-the-back Republicans.
//Angry veteran.
 
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