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(The National Memo)   Overlooked facts in the IRS scandal: #6 some of the groups 'targeted' swore in their applications that they would not attempt to influence elections   (nationalmemo.com) divider line 287
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2013-05-23 10:43:28 AM  
I AM in fact scandalized by the idea that these guys were given crap for doing their jobs, rather than commendations and bonuses.
 
2013-05-23 10:55:24 AM  
1. Social welfare non-profits are supposed to have social welfare, and not politics, as their "primary" purpose.

But we should totally let Tea Party groups file for tax-free status because, really, they don't have that much to do with politics at all.
 
2013-05-23 10:57:18 AM  
Always nice with a two-page story, subby, that your link goes to the FIRST page.
 
2013-05-23 11:00:05 AM  
The IRS scrutinizes these people because they're liars and cheats.

Shocking.
 
2013-05-23 11:00:05 AM  
That was an interesting summary.  Hopefully the results of the ongoing investigation will show us that, at least for the most part, this "targeting" was a result of due diligence and not rogue/directed intimidation.

Hopefully.
 
2013-05-23 11:07:42 AM  
This looks less and less scandalous every day.

The only scandal remaining is that the IRS wasn't more aggressive against these blatantly political "social welfare" frauds.
 
2013-05-23 11:10:45 AM  
I've been saying from day one that there was nothing all that shocking about this.

The Tea Party/Tea Party Patriots/whatever the fark they were calling themselves the day the filed absolutely are political groups with political goals - the largest one (we'll ignore the elephant in the room for now) being that they do not want to pay taxes. Or want to pay significantly less taxes.

How on earth should they not be looked at by the IRS when they apply for tax-exempt status?
 
2013-05-23 11:10:53 AM  
But moveon.org gets a free pass.
 
2013-05-23 11:12:19 AM  
Social Welfare Organization:

mommylife.net

NOT a Social Welfare Organization:

encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
 
2013-05-23 11:14:51 AM  

jehovahs witness protection: But moveon.org gets a free pass.


Lerner directed staff to stop using this keyword criteria to identify groups regarding additional scrutiny.  What every the scandal is, it is below her.
 
2013-05-23 11:16:04 AM  

jehovahs witness protection: But moveon.org gets a free pass.


Moveon has two entities.  One is tax exempt and focuses on education the other is not and focuses on lobbying.  That's how it's supposed to be done.
 
2013-05-23 11:19:02 AM  

jehovahs witness protection: But moveon.org gets a free pass.



The MoveOn family of organizations is not-for-profit and funded entirely by small dollar donations from our 7 million members -- no corporate contributions, no big checks from CEOs. And our tiny staff ensures that small contributions go a long way.
Our MoveOn family is made up of a couple of different pieces. MoveOn.org Civic Action, a 501(c)(4) nonprofit organization, focuses on education and advocacy, as well as on building the progressive movement by encouraging and supporting the development of more grassroots leaders. MoveOn.org Political Action, a federal PAC, is focused on demonstrating MoveOn members' power at the ballot box and electing candidates who reflect our members' values.


They separated their PAC from the 501(c)(4) - they're doing it right.
 
2013-05-23 11:20:35 AM  
At what point will this actually rise to the level of being a scandal?
 
2013-05-23 11:24:43 AM  
but moveon dot org is full of lib-u-lardos
 
2013-05-23 11:25:16 AM  
There IS a scandal here. That folks with obvious partisan positions devoted to promulgating activities for party purposes were approved, at all. Pinky swears notwithstanding. THAT is the scandal. Not which party that they were going to shill for, not that they were right or left, but that obvious party outlets were given non-taxable status to essentially campaign. THAT is the real scandal.

The Barack H. Obama Foundation? Looking to secure food, water, and education in Africa. Which, oddly enough, is what a LOT of agencies are looking to secure. How terrible that a President would name a Foundation for his father, and promote the well being of folks overseas. If THAT is a "liberal" cause, then perhaps a lot of charities should be looked into for looking to serve humanitarian motives. Like the Red Cross as a for instance...

The NorCal Tea Party Patriots? They are suing because their political party activities are taxable, and they applied, and were targeted, because of said activities, and essentially for being targeted for falsification of documents, and what amounts to defrauding the government, and were ALLOWED to. Just not fast enough.

The heart of this scandal goes to the fact that folks intentionally and willfully engaged in fraud, and were delayed in that fraud. The REAL scandal is that partisan apparatuses, that were about circumventing tax structures to hide their political aims were allowed to do so. Pinky swears, notwithstanding.

And most of the folks howling for blood, won't ever understand that, because it's a matter of MY SIDE/YOUR SIDE and a glaringly willful ignorance that party structures ARE taxable, and if you NAME your organization for a party affiliation, that IS a red flag, and if you flood the IRS with applications with organizations that HAVE A PARTY AFFILIATION THAT SCREAMS PARTISANSHIP, then yes, you will be reviewed. And you SHOULD be.

That they chose to go with rabidly partisan names for their supposed non-profit charities says something. That says a great deal about the "charity" in and of itself. That anyone could glean a party affiliation, Conservative or Liberal or Progressive, that IS a flag, in and of itself. And that folks refuse to even acknowledge that, and are so "concerned" about the "chilling effect" means that they neither understand the issue, and are unhinged from reality in order to promote a scandal that SHOULD be investigated, just not in the way that they think.

That the IRS approved all of these applications for partisan outlets, to essentially campaign tax free, THAT is troubling. Especially given the explosion of these tax dodges, and at the same time, defunding the organization that should have stopped it in the first place.
 
2013-05-23 11:28:37 AM  

Jackson Herring: but moveon dot org is full of lib-u-lardos


1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-05-23 11:32:28 AM  
2010: Our Tea Party groups aren't just for conservatives! We're totally bipartisan!
2013: Obama targeted our Tea Party groups because we're conservative!
 
2013-05-23 11:35:32 AM  

James!: jehovahs witness protection: But moveon.org gets a free pass.

Moveon has two entities.  One is tax exempt and focuses on education the other is not and focuses on lobbying.  That's how it's supposed to be done.


wait...do you mean to say jwp is spewing bullshiat?  Heaven forfend!!
 
2013-05-23 11:37:51 AM  
For extra irony points I bet some of them had on their "Oathkeepers" t-shirts while completing that line of the application
 
2013-05-23 11:37:53 AM  
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2013-05-23 11:38:30 AM  

clancifer: At what point will this actually rise to the level of being a scandal?


It was a scandal as soon as the president was a blah democrat.
 
2013-05-23 11:38:34 AM  

DarwiOdrade: jehovahs witness protection: But moveon.org gets a free pass.


The MoveOn family of organizations is not-for-profit and funded entirely by small dollar donations from our 7 million members -- no corporate contributions, no big checks from CEOs. And our tiny staff ensures that small contributions go a long way.
Our MoveOn family is made up of a couple of different pieces. MoveOn.org Civic Action, a 501(c)(4) nonprofit organization, focuses on education and advocacy, as well as on building the progressive movement by encouraging and supporting the development of more grassroots leaders. MoveOn.org Political Action, a federal PAC, is focused on demonstrating MoveOn members' power at the ballot box and electing candidates who reflect our members' values.

They separated their PAC from the 501(c)(4) - they're doing it right.


Is JWP ever right about anything?
 
2013-05-23 11:39:01 AM  
Only the tip... I SWEAR.
 
2013-05-23 11:41:41 AM  

jst3p: DarwiOdrade: jehovahs witness protection: But moveon.org gets a free pass.


The MoveOn family of organizations is not-for-profit and funded entirely by small dollar donations from our 7 million members -- no corporate contributions, no big checks from CEOs. And our tiny staff ensures that small contributions go a long way.
Our MoveOn family is made up of a couple of different pieces. MoveOn.org Civic Action, a 501(c)(4) nonprofit organization, focuses on education and advocacy, as well as on building the progressive movement by encouraging and supporting the development of more grassroots leaders. MoveOn.org Political Action, a federal PAC, is focused on demonstrating MoveOn members' power at the ballot box and electing candidates who reflect our members' values.

They separated their PAC from the 501(c)(4) - they're doing it right.

Is JWP ever right about anything?


Ever? A couple of threads down he said "There's a big difference between national security and tyranny," so I'm going to have to say "Yes."

But, you know, broken clocks and like such as.
 
2013-05-23 11:42:07 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: This looks less and less scandalous every day.

The only scandal remaining is that the IRS wasn't more aggressive against these blatantly political "social welfare" frauds.


Exactly.  If  any political group, be it TEA party, left wing, or whatever groups, use this to avoid taxes then they should be struck down and paraded in front of everyone as the douche nozzles they are.
 
2013-05-23 11:42:37 AM  
Again, the only scandal is that groups obviously running a con aren't supposed to be scrutinized.
 
2013-05-23 11:43:06 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Again, the only scandal is that groups obviously running a con aren't supposed to be scrutinized.


bless your heart
 
2013-05-23 11:43:28 AM  
unlikely: I AM in fact scandalized by the idea that these guys were given crap for doing their jobs, rather than commendations and bonuses.
 
2013-05-23 11:43:42 AM  
"How dare you accuse these people of political activity!"

static.guim.co.uk
 
2013-05-23 11:43:46 AM  
tax fraud is illegal and unacceptable and should be prosecuted.
 
2013-05-23 11:44:58 AM  

unlikely: I AM in fact scandalized by the idea that these guys were given crap for doing their jobs, rather than commendations and bonuses.


If they had been actively investigating instead of using random word searches to target groups for scrutiny I'd say yes. Instead they went half-assed and opened themselves up for accusations of partisanship by the low information crowd.
 
2013-05-23 11:45:54 AM  

hubiestubert: There IS a scandal here. That folks with obvious partisan positions devoted to promulgating activities for party purposes were approved, at all. Pinky swears notwithstanding. THAT is the scandal. Not which party that they were going to shill for, not that they were right or left, but that obvious party outlets were given non-taxable status to essentially campaign. THAT is the real scandal.

The Barack H. Obama Foundation? Looking to secure food, water, and education in Africa. Which, oddly enough, is what a LOT of agencies are looking to secure. How terrible that a President would name a Foundation for his father, and promote the well being of folks overseas. If THAT is a "liberal" cause, then perhaps a lot of charities should be looked into for looking to serve humanitarian motives. Like the Red Cross as a for instance...

The NorCal Tea Party Patriots? They are suing because their political party activities are taxable, and they applied, and were targeted, because of said activities, and essentially for being targeted for falsification of documents, and what amounts to defrauding the government, and were ALLOWED to. Just not fast enough.

The heart of this scandal goes to the fact that folks intentionally and willfully engaged in fraud, and were delayed in that fraud. The REAL scandal is that partisan apparatuses, that were about circumventing tax structures to hide their political aims were allowed to do so. Pinky swears, notwithstanding.

And most of the folks howling for blood, won't ever understand that, because it's a matter of MY SIDE/YOUR SIDE and a glaringly willful ignorance that party structures ARE taxable, and if you NAME your organization for a party affiliation, that IS a red flag, and if you flood the IRS with applications with organizations that HAVE A PARTY AFFILIATION THAT SCREAMS PARTISANSHIP, then yes, you will be reviewed. And you SHOULD be.

That they chose to go with rabidly partisan names for their supposed non-profit charities says somethi ...


The taxes weren't the issue. There are tax forms that will allow political groups to be tax exempt...but they require some transparency as to the identities of big donors. While 501(c)(4) allows unlimited, and completely anonymous, donations.
 
2013-05-23 11:46:41 AM  
Meh.  There is nothing wrong with this.

According to TFA, the application asks if you plan to spend money on elections.
They may not have had any plans when they applied.  The burden of proof is on the IRS to prove that they did.
They may have subsequently developed new plans based on a change of leadership, a lot of money coming in, whatever.

The application does not say something like "we will never spend any money on elections".
 
2013-05-23 11:47:16 AM  

Fart_Machine: unlikely: I AM in fact scandalized by the idea that these guys were given crap for doing their jobs, rather than commendations and bonuses.

If they had been actively investigating instead of using random word searches to target groups for scrutiny I'd say yes. Instead they went half-assed and opened themselves up for accusations of partisanship by the low information crowd.


Hells, if they'd even used a combination of word searches to balance it out it wouldn't be so bad. As it is, they've just given the teatards more ammunition, and we all know they're up to their eyeballs in guns as it is.
 
2013-05-23 11:47:18 AM  

Buffalo77:


Lazy troll or low information voter who has no idea what Nixon actually did.
 
2013-05-23 11:47:26 AM  
Conservatives think regulators doing their job is a scandal. Also, water is wet, and the name of today's day ends in a "y."
 
2013-05-23 11:51:17 AM  

SN1987a goes boom: Lionel Mandrake: This looks less and less scandalous every day.

The only scandal remaining is that the IRS wasn't more aggressive against these blatantly political "social welfare" frauds.

Exactly.  If  any political group, be it TEA party, left wing, or whatever groups, use this to avoid taxes then they should be struck down and paraded in front of everyone as the douche nozzles they are.


Somebody ought to take a look at say, a dozen or so of these groups, do a report on their activity, and let the public decide if they are "social welfare" groups EXCLUSIVELY. That would be interesting...
 
2013-05-23 11:51:39 AM  
My Google-fu is weak.  I can't find a list of Democrats in the House or Senate Tea Party Caucus.
 
2013-05-23 11:52:16 AM  
I'm just educating you that voting for Democrats is tantamount to murder and sex with a donkey. Also, I want to educate you in the great writings of Ann Rynd and educate you to vote for Ron Paul because it's the right thing to do.

Can I haz tax exemption for education?
 
2013-05-23 11:52:41 AM  

skullkrusher: tax fraud is illegal and unacceptable and should be prosecuted.


3.bp.blogspot.com
"The law couldn't lock up my grandpa, friend, and they sure as heck won't get me!"
 
2013-05-23 11:53:39 AM  

partisan222: I'm just educating you that voting for Democrats is tantamount to murder and sex with a donkey. Also, I want to educate you in the great writings of Ann Rynd and educate you to vote for Ron Paul because it's the right thing to do.

Can I haz tax exemption for education?


First say the two words you hate the most: SOCIAL WELFARE
 
2013-05-23 11:53:48 AM  

doyner: My Google-fu is weak.  I can't find a list of Democrats in the House or Senate Tea Party Caucus.


That's only because their meeting times clashed with the Baby-Killing Communist Caucus.
 
2013-05-23 12:00:14 PM  
Now the Democrats have a great opportunity to co-opt the Tea Party.

Start your own TEA Party groups - say it stands for "Tax 'Em, Already!" and advocate for soaking the everloving hell out of the rich.

If you EVER wanted to slip a political group into non-profit status, here's your opportunity.
 
2013-05-23 12:00:33 PM  

Lando Lincoln: 1. Social welfare non-profits are supposed to have social welfare, and not politics, as their "primary" purpose.

But we should totally let Tea Party groups file for tax-free status because, really, they don't have that much to do with politics at all.


49% of their time is making ads telling us Obama is a socialist, 51% of their time is educating children about how Obama is a socialist.
 
2013-05-23 12:01:29 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Meh.  There is nothing wrong with this.

According to TFA, the application asks if you plan to spend money on elections.
They may not have had any plans when they applied.  The burden of proof is on the IRS to prove that they did.
They may have subsequently developed new plans based on a change of leadership, a lot of money coming in, whatever.

The application does not say something like "we will never spend any money on elections".


lol
 
2013-05-23 12:02:00 PM  

clancifer: At what point will this actually rise to the level of being a scandal?


When it reaches Benghazi levels registering 3.7 or higher.
 
2013-05-23 12:02:41 PM  

s3.documentcloud.org

The same day that American Future Fund mailed this application to the IRS, March 18, 2008, saying it did not plan to spend any money attempting to influence elections, it paid for an ad aired praising Sen. Norm Coleman of Minnesota.


OOOPPPSSS.


Tax avoidance is the legitimate minimizing of taxes, using methods approved by the IRS. Businesses avoid taxes by taking all legitimate deductions and by sheltering income from taxes by setting up employee retirement plans and other means, all legal and under the Internal Revenue Code or state tax codes.


Tax Evasion on the other hand, is the illegal practice of not paying taxes, by not reporting income, reporting expenses not legally allowed, or by not paying taxes owed.


Honorable Learned Hand, who was on the U.S. Court of Appeals:

"There are two systems of taxation in our country, one for the informed and one for the uninformed."


Dumbasses.
 
2013-05-23 12:03:03 PM  

ScaryBottles: clancifer: At what point will this actually rise to the level of being a scandal?

When it reaches Benghazi levels registering 3.7 or higher.


How many CPM (chickens per minute) is that?
 
2013-05-23 12:05:00 PM  

DarwiOdrade: jst3p: DarwiOdrade: jehovahs witness protection: But moveon.org gets a free pass.


The MoveOn family of organizations is not-for-profit and funded entirely by small dollar donations from our 7 million members -- no corporate contributions, no big checks from CEOs. And our tiny staff ensures that small contributions go a long way.
Our MoveOn family is made up of a couple of different pieces. MoveOn.org Civic Action, a 501(c)(4) nonprofit organization, focuses on education and advocacy, as well as on building the progressive movement by encouraging and supporting the development of more grassroots leaders. MoveOn.org Political Action, a federal PAC, is focused on demonstrating MoveOn members' power at the ballot box and electing candidates who reflect our members' values.

They separated their PAC from the 501(c)(4) - they're doing it right.

Is JWP ever right about anything?

Ever? A couple of threads down he said "There's a big difference between national security and tyranny," so I'm going to have to say "Yes."

But, you know, broken clocks and like such as.


taken out of context that statement is a correct one. but in the context he used it . it's not.
 
2013-05-23 12:05:19 PM  

ScaryBottles: clancifer: At what point will this actually rise to the level of being a scandal?

When it reaches Benghazi levels registering 3.7 or higher.


Benghazis should be the new units of scandal measurement, replacing Watergates.
 
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