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(The Weekly Standard)   Before Lois Lerner went to the IRS, she honed her inquisitorial chops targeting conservative groups at the FEC. Amongst her weapons were fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency and an almost fanatical devotion to Democrats   (weeklystandard.com) divider line 78
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2013-05-23 10:28:34 AM
Before Lois Lerner went to the IRS, she honed her inquisitorial chops targeting conservative groups at the FEC. Amongst her weapons were fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency and an almost fanatical devotion to Democrats

Are we talking about the same person here? The Bush Appointee?
 
2013-05-23 10:29:58 AM
I'm not going to say it is because Bill Kristol is a partisan shill that this has appeared, but it is because Bill Kristol is a partisan shill that this has appeared.
 
2013-05-23 10:30:11 AM
Since this is from Bill Kristol's rag, I'm going to guess that the exact opposite is true.
 
2013-05-23 10:30:15 AM
How dare someone in government work tireless at the job they are appointed to do! That ruins every stereotype of government works!
 
2013-05-23 10:32:02 AM
Nothing to see here, folks.  Move along, move along....bwwrrrrawwwk.....move along.....
 
2013-05-23 10:32:06 AM
Are Conservative groups that weak? The entire conservative movement can be destroyed by a lone female bureaucrat at the IRS?
 
2013-05-23 10:33:34 AM

Epoch_Zero: Before Lois Lerner went to the IRS, she honed her inquisitorial chops targeting conservative groups at the FEC. Amongst her weapons were fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency and an almost fanatical devotion to Democrats

Are we talking about the same person here? The Bush Appointee?


More proof Bush was incompetent?
 
2013-05-23 10:37:21 AM
It's worth going to page 2, where you see an investigator grilling Oliver North over whether Pat Robertson had ever prayed for him, WTF?

But the veracity of the alleged transcript is questionable, especially considering North's attorney even says it is edited. Still great fun.
 
2013-05-23 10:37:53 AM

vernonFL: Are Conservative groups that weak? The entire conservative movement can be destroyed by a lone female bureaucrat at the IRS?


Well, it's like how they portray Obama. He's simultaneously the most incompetent POTUS ever and the most evil, calculating dictator ever.

Many Conservative groups are the same. They are both mighty patriots who stand up to the Government and screaming, helpless toddlers under the thumb of the mean 'ol Government.
 
2013-05-23 10:39:50 AM
so she got her entry into big government abuse under St Ronald's America-protecting gaze?
 
2013-05-23 10:40:00 AM
This is another one of those issues where something genuinely bad was going on but known republican shills actually help brush it under the rug by complaining about it. When your outrage meter is pinned in the red all the time and everything from arugula to mustard to benghazi is a scandal you have nowhere to go.
 
2013-05-23 10:42:12 AM
"James Bopp Jr., who was lead counsel for the Christian Coalition at the time, tells THE WEEKLY STANDARD the Christian Coalition investigation was egregious and uncalled for. "

If you can't trust the former top lawyer for the Christian Coalition, who can you trust?
 
2013-05-23 10:43:31 AM

Lochsteppe: Since this is from Bill Kristol's rag, I'm going to guess that the exact opposite is true.


That's a bingo!

Except in the cases of judges and elected officials, civil servants don't hold a job for 30 years if they engage in partisan activity in it. It doesn't look like she was a Democrat or a Republican (the Lois Lerner who donated the max contribution to Romney was a housewife in NY, not her). She still deserves to be out on her ass for failure to do her duty, but this idea it was a witch hunt orchastrated by either her or her bosses that needs to result in jail time isn't reflected by the facts as we know them.

Speaking of, I'm still waiting for someone to explain what law the people involved broke that could land them in jail. Best I can come up with is they violated the due process rights of these groups, but that would result in a Bivens Action against the federal government and not criminal charges for the individuals who deprived them of their rights. I'm all for firing those involved, but the demands for people to end up in jail ignores you have to have some part of the federal code to charge them with if you want to lock them up.
 
2013-05-23 10:43:52 AM
Regardless of the content of the story, the headline was still funny.
 
2013-05-23 10:44:27 AM

Headso: This is another one of those issues where something genuinely bad was going on but known republican shills actually help brush it under the rug by complaining about it. When your outrage meter is pinned in the red all the time and everything from arugula to mustard to benghazi is a scandal you have nowhere to go.


This.........also, they wanted soooooo bad for Obama to be implicated in this, they tried really hard.
 
2013-05-23 10:44:48 AM

Headso: This is another one of those issues where something genuinely bad was going on but known republican shills actually help brush it under the rug by complaining about it. When your outrage meter is pinned in the red all the time and everything from arugula to mustard to benghazi is a scandal you have nowhere to go.


it is funny how they manage to turn everything they touch to shiat.

Benghazi - legit questions about who knew what when and what could've been done to stop it and catch those responsible. Instead we get "act of terror" vs "terrorism".
IRS - clearly bad actions but let's pretend it was all coordinated by Obama and fail to make the important point

I remember when the GOP used to be smart. They were still often rather wrong but those farkers knew what they were doing. These clowns are a farking sideshow
 
2013-05-23 10:45:09 AM

vernonFL: Are Conservative groups that weak? The entire conservative movement can be destroyed by a lone female bureaucrat at the IRS?


Near as I can tell, the greatest Conservative strength is incessant whining until they get what they want.
 
2013-05-23 10:46:16 AM
www.midwesttvguy.com

Senator Cruz, fetch THE COMFY CHAIR!
 
2013-05-23 10:46:59 AM

trotsky: vernonFL: Are Conservative groups that weak? The entire conservative movement can be destroyed by a lone female bureaucrat at the IRS?

Well, it's like how they portray Obama. He's simultaneously the most incompetent POTUS ever and the most evil, calculating dictator ever.

Many Conservative groups are the same. They are both mighty patriots who stand up to the Government and screaming, helpless toddlers under the thumb of the mean 'ol Government.



8. The followers must feel humiliated by the ostentatious wealth and force of their enemies.

 Thus, by a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak.
 
2013-05-23 10:47:31 AM

Stile4aly: [www.midwesttvguy.com image 504x375]

Senator Cruz, fetch THE COMFY CHAIR!


good idea. Nobody suspects the Spanish Inquisition
 
2013-05-23 10:50:04 AM
So the republicans have identified the sacrifice they want?
 
2013-05-23 10:52:15 AM

vernonFL: Are Conservative groups that weak? The entire conservative movement can be destroyed by a lone female bureaucrat at the IRS?


Issuing a questionnaire to applicants was enough to persecute them. I guess she planned her devious strategy after reading their signs.
 
2013-05-23 10:53:04 AM

skullkrusher: "James Bopp Jr., who was lead counsel for the Christian Coalition at the time, tells THE WEEKLY STANDARD the Christian Coalition investigation was egregious and uncalled for. "

If you can't trust the former top lawyer for the Christian Coalition, who can you trust?


The Nigerian official who wants to put millions into my bank account?
 
2013-05-23 10:53:13 AM

James!: So the republicans have identified the sacrifice they want?


by "sacrifice" you mean "the person who was ultimately responsible for actions which the IRS has already admitted were wrong"?
 
2013-05-23 10:53:48 AM

DarwiOdrade: skullkrusher: "James Bopp Jr., who was lead counsel for the Christian Coalition at the time, tells THE WEEKLY STANDARD the Christian Coalition investigation was egregious and uncalled for. "

If you can't trust the former top lawyer for the Christian Coalition, who can you trust?

The Nigerian official who wants to put millions into my bank account?


He's a stand up dude
 
2013-05-23 10:56:55 AM

skullkrusher: "James Bopp Jr., who was lead counsel for the Christian Coalition at the time, tells THE WEEKLY STANDARD the Christian Coalition investigation was egregious and uncalled for. "

If you can't trust the former top lawyer for the Christian Coalition, who can you trust?


Expect to see a LOT of this: anyone who has ever had tax headaches and also falls on the right side of the spectrum has all the justification they need to claim that past and future audits and reviews were discriminatory in nature and were the result of targetting. After all, they found the audit experience unpleasant, so why wouldn't you assume it was malicious in nature?

And I'm placing the blame for this mostly on the IRS and not these groups because they could have easily avoided all this by clearly setting fair metrics. Make the trigger any group whose stated goals include a call to help change the political agenda and/or views of the nation and its people. That would have targetted these groups using the 501c4 status as a political campaign tool without making assumptions that it would primarily be a conservative thing. The fact that this behavior continued for years until Congress actually started looking into it does nothing but harm the institution.
 
2013-05-23 10:58:18 AM
Democrats are satanists, hitler, stalin, communists, socialists, child murderers, sexual deviants, incompetents, nefarious evil geniuses, naive, pedophiles, authoritarians, plutocrats, cultists, secular fundamentalists, totalitarians, hypocrites, nazis, gays.

I think that about covers every stupid, hyperbolic right wing article/blog floating around the internet.  How many times can you repackage the same vapid bullshiat and get people to read it? The answer, apparently, is a lot.
 
2013-05-23 10:58:21 AM

Epoch_Zero: Before Lois Lerner went to the IRS, she honed her inquisitorial chops targeting conservative groups at the FEC. Amongst her weapons were fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency and an almost fanatical devotion to Democrats

Are we talking about the same person here? The Bush Appointee?


According to these guys Bush was a liberal.
 
2013-05-23 10:59:22 AM

skullkrusher: James!: So the republicans have identified the sacrifice they want?

by "sacrifice" you mean "the person who was ultimately responsible for actions which the IRS has already admitted were wrong"?


Sure.
 
2013-05-23 10:59:41 AM
www.visitingdc.com

/approves
 
2013-05-23 11:02:02 AM

Grungehamster: skullkrusher: "James Bopp Jr., who was lead counsel for the Christian Coalition at the time, tells THE WEEKLY STANDARD the Christian Coalition investigation was egregious and uncalled for. "

If you can't trust the former top lawyer for the Christian Coalition, who can you trust?

Expect to see a LOT of this: anyone who has ever had tax headaches and also falls on the right side of the spectrum has all the justification they need to claim that past and future audits and reviews were discriminatory in nature and were the result of targetting. After all, they found the audit experience unpleasant, so why wouldn't you assume it was malicious in nature?

And I'm placing the blame for this mostly on the IRS and not these groups because they could have easily avoided all this by clearly setting fair metrics. Make the trigger any group whose stated goals include a call to help change the political agenda and/or views of the nation and its people. That would have targetted these groups using the 501c4 status as a political campaign tool without making assumptions that it would primarily be a conservative thing. The fact that this behavior continued for years until Congress actually started looking into it does nothing but harm the institution.


It might not just be limited to griping, I wonder if this actually opens the gates for legal action against the IRS for allegedly biased actions for prominent conservative taxpayers and conservative for-profit organizations.

I guess it is all a matter of what the inquiry and any subsequent trials reveal but could get nasty
 
2013-05-23 11:02:37 AM

James!: skullkrusher: James!: So the republicans have identified the sacrifice they want?

by "sacrifice" you mean "the person who was ultimately responsible for actions which the IRS has already admitted were wrong"?

Sure.


then yeah, I think she's been identified
 
2013-05-23 11:03:57 AM

skullkrusher: James!: skullkrusher: James!: So the republicans have identified the sacrifice they want?

by "sacrifice" you mean "the person who was ultimately responsible for actions which the IRS has already admitted were wrong"?

Sure.

then yeah, I think she's been identified


If they fire her, will the republicans shut up?
 
2013-05-23 11:07:29 AM

James!: skullkrusher: James!: skullkrusher: James!: So the republicans have identified the sacrifice they want?

by "sacrifice" you mean "the person who was ultimately responsible for actions which the IRS has already admitted were wrong"?

Sure.

then yeah, I think she's been identified

If they fire her, will the republicans shut up?


doubtful. You do understand the only thing Republicans are wrong about in this situation from an evidenciary standpoint is that this was a concerted, politically motivated effort? Once again, being given some fresh powder and pissing all over it.
 
2013-05-23 11:07:48 AM

James!: skullkrusher: James!: skullkrusher: James!: So the republicans have identified the sacrifice they want?

by "sacrifice" you mean "the person who was ultimately responsible for actions which the IRS has already admitted were wrong"?

Sure.

then yeah, I think she's been identified

If they fire her, will the republicans shut up?


hahaohwow.jpg
 
2013-05-23 11:08:07 AM
Yes, what a partisan political hack she is for trying to maintain the integrity of the first amendment by making sure the wall of separation between Church and State is upheld. Horrible, horrible person she is.
 
2013-05-23 11:12:19 AM

skullkrusher: Grungehamster: skullkrusher: "James Bopp Jr., who was lead counsel for the Christian Coalition at the time, tells THE WEEKLY STANDARD the Christian Coalition investigation was egregious and uncalled for. "

If you can't trust the former top lawyer for the Christian Coalition, who can you trust?

Expect to see a LOT of this: anyone who has ever had tax headaches and also falls on the right side of the spectrum has all the justification they need to claim that past and future audits and reviews were discriminatory in nature and were the result of targetting. After all, they found the audit experience unpleasant, so why wouldn't you assume it was malicious in nature?

And I'm placing the blame for this mostly on the IRS and not these groups because they could have easily avoided all this by clearly setting fair metrics. Make the trigger any group whose stated goals include a call to help change the political agenda and/or views of the nation and its people. That would have targetted these groups using the 501c4 status as a political campaign tool without making assumptions that it would primarily be a conservative thing. The fact that this behavior continued for years until Congress actually started looking into it does nothing but harm the institution.

It might not just be limited to griping, I wonder if this actually opens the gates for legal action against the IRS for allegedly biased actions for prominent conservative taxpayers and conservative for-profit organizations.

I guess it is all a matter of what the inquiry and any subsequent trials reveal but could get nasty


Possibly although as more information comes out it makes their cases hold less water since the ideology of the groups was never an issue.
 
2013-05-23 11:13:31 AM

skullkrusher: doubtful.


Well, balls.
 
2013-05-23 11:16:03 AM

James!: skullkrusher: James!: skullkrusher: James!: So the republicans have identified the sacrifice they want?

by "sacrifice" you mean "the person who was ultimately responsible for actions which the IRS has already admitted were wrong"?

Sure.

then yeah, I think she's been identified

If they fire her, will the republicans shut up?


Only if *they* get to fire her.

And even then, they'll go one step higher - Reince, repeat.
 
2013-05-23 11:17:54 AM

Kome: Yes, what a partisan political hack she is for trying to maintain the integrity of the first amendment by making sure the wall of separation between Church and State is upheld. Horrible, horrible person she is.


History's greatest monster!
 
2013-05-23 11:19:04 AM
The Tea Party is the Christian Victim's Coalition, rebranded and with a different funding base after Citizens United.

The CC got their non-profit asses handed to them for political activity. Real christians were probably quite happy to discover they were being pimped to paying conservative campaign with the very pretty Ralph Reed saying "they be my biatches but I'll rent 'em to you to get your casino"
www.theocracywatch.org
 
2013-05-23 11:20:03 AM

Lawyers With Nukes: [www.visitingdc.com image 540x500]

/approves


Yes, if you really stretch, kinda squint, and ignore the fact that there's no evidence Obama was involved in this 'scandal' in any way, shape or form, Obama's ALMOST as bad as the third-worst Republican President in recent history!

/The second worst being George Bush the Lesser
//The worst being Ronald "Iran-Contra" Reagan.
 
2013-05-23 11:23:37 AM

Fart_Machine: skullkrusher: Grungehamster: skullkrusher: "James Bopp Jr., who was lead counsel for the Christian Coalition at the time, tells THE WEEKLY STANDARD the Christian Coalition investigation was egregious and uncalled for. "

If you can't trust the former top lawyer for the Christian Coalition, who can you trust?

Expect to see a LOT of this: anyone who has ever had tax headaches and also falls on the right side of the spectrum has all the justification they need to claim that past and future audits and reviews were discriminatory in nature and were the result of targetting. After all, they found the audit experience unpleasant, so why wouldn't you assume it was malicious in nature?

And I'm placing the blame for this mostly on the IRS and not these groups because they could have easily avoided all this by clearly setting fair metrics. Make the trigger any group whose stated goals include a call to help change the political agenda and/or views of the nation and its people. That would have targetted these groups using the 501c4 status as a political campaign tool without making assumptions that it would primarily be a conservative thing. The fact that this behavior continued for years until Congress actually started looking into it does nothing but harm the institution.

It might not just be limited to griping, I wonder if this actually opens the gates for legal action against the IRS for allegedly biased actions for prominent conservative taxpayers and conservative for-profit organizations.

I guess it is all a matter of what the inquiry and any subsequent trials reveal but could get nasty

Possibly although as more information comes out it makes their cases hold less water since the ideology of the groups was never an issue.


If I repeat a lie enough times its totally true
 
2013-05-23 11:31:16 AM
It's amazing what a fanatical devotion she has to the democrats considering she gave the maximum amount possible to Romney.
 
2013-05-23 11:33:12 AM

Fart_Machine: skullkrusher: Grungehamster: skullkrusher: "James Bopp Jr., who was lead counsel for the Christian Coalition at the time, tells THE WEEKLY STANDARD the Christian Coalition investigation was egregious and uncalled for. "

If you can't trust the former top lawyer for the Christian Coalition, who can you trust?

Expect to see a LOT of this: anyone who has ever had tax headaches and also falls on the right side of the spectrum has all the justification they need to claim that past and future audits and reviews were discriminatory in nature and were the result of targetting. After all, they found the audit experience unpleasant, so why wouldn't you assume it was malicious in nature?

And I'm placing the blame for this mostly on the IRS and not these groups because they could have easily avoided all this by clearly setting fair metrics. Make the trigger any group whose stated goals include a call to help change the political agenda and/or views of the nation and its people. That would have targetted these groups using the 501c4 status as a political campaign tool without making assumptions that it would primarily be a conservative thing. The fact that this behavior continued for years until Congress actually started looking into it does nothing but harm the institution.

It might not just be limited to griping, I wonder if this actually opens the gates for legal action against the IRS for allegedly biased actions for prominent conservative taxpayers and conservative for-profit organizations.

I guess it is all a matter of what the inquiry and any subsequent trials reveal but could get nasty

Possibly although as more information comes out it makes their cases hold less water since the ideology of the groups was never an issue.


IANAL but I don't think intent to discriminate matters when the policy effectively discriminated by singling out these groups for closer scrutiny. Redlining in bank loans aren't meant to not give loans to black people - they're meant as a time and money saving shortcut by just refusing loans to poor neighborhoods off the bat because the greater likelihood of uncreditworthiness makes exploring such loans less profitable. In effect, however, the practice winds up targeting minorities more often than whites in many cases. Or like the case against the FDNY about racial discrimination in hiring. The court didn't find that the FDNY intended to not hire blacks and latinos but that their written exam effectively did discriminate against those groups.

Obviously a political organization isn't a racial group but I don't see it as much of a stretch to employ the same sort of logic when it comes to effective discrimination as it pertains to freedom of expression
 
2013-05-23 11:33:24 AM
I want to know what Lois Lane and Lana Lang knew and when they knew it.
 
2013-05-23 11:36:13 AM

Fart_Machine: skullkrusher: Grungehamster: skullkrusher: "James Bopp Jr., who was lead counsel for the Christian Coalition at the time, tells THE WEEKLY STANDARD the Christian Coalition investigation was egregious and uncalled for. "

If you can't trust the former top lawyer for the Christian Coalition, who can you trust?

Expect to see a LOT of this: anyone who has ever had tax headaches and also falls on the right side of the spectrum has all the justification they need to claim that past and future audits and reviews were discriminatory in nature and were the result of targetting. After all, they found the audit experience unpleasant, so why wouldn't you assume it was malicious in nature?

And I'm placing the blame for this mostly on the IRS and not these groups because they could have easily avoided all this by clearly setting fair metrics. Make the trigger any group whose stated goals include a call to help change the political agenda and/or views of the nation and its people. That would have targetted these groups using the 501c4 status as a political campaign tool without making assumptions that it would primarily be a conservative thing. The fact that this behavior continued for years until Congress actually started looking into it does nothing but harm the institution.

It might not just be limited to griping, I wonder if this actually opens the gates for legal action against the IRS for allegedly biased actions for prominent conservative taxpayers and conservative for-profit organizations.

I guess it is all a matter of what the inquiry and any subsequent trials reveal but could get nasty

Possibly although as more information comes out it makes their cases hold less water since the ideology of the groups was never an issue.


I don't see how you can leave ideology out of the equation when all three qualifiers in question are used almost exclusively by groups who share a common ideology without equivalent triggers on the opposite side of the spectrum.

The guidelines showed indeological bias, the questions now are if malace or poor judgement is it blame, how familiar their superiors were with the issue, how familiar their superiors should have been with the issue, if these sorts of biased criteria were being used in other offices and departments of the IRS, and what sort of harm did targeted groups suffer.

The best spin to be put on it is that there is no sign of this extending beyond that one field office and that thanks to the fact that the filing a 1024 is only voluntary for 501c4s this didn't necessarily impede these groups from operating beyond costing them manhours trying to meet the requests of the IRS for approval (assuming they understood the tax code gives them every right to operate without prior approval, a pretty significant assumption.)
 
2013-05-23 11:53:10 AM

ShadowKamui: Fart_Machine: skullkrusher: Grungehamster: skullkrusher: "James Bopp Jr., who was lead counsel for the Christian Coalition at the time, tells THE WEEKLY STANDARD the Christian Coalition investigation was egregious and uncalled for. "

If you can't trust the former top lawyer for the Christian Coalition, who can you trust?

Expect to see a LOT of this: anyone who has ever had tax headaches and also falls on the right side of the spectrum has all the justification they need to claim that past and future audits and reviews were discriminatory in nature and were the result of targetting. After all, they found the audit experience unpleasant, so why wouldn't you assume it was malicious in nature?

And I'm placing the blame for this mostly on the IRS and not these groups because they could have easily avoided all this by clearly setting fair metrics. Make the trigger any group whose stated goals include a call to help change the political agenda and/or views of the nation and its people. That would have targetted these groups using the 501c4 status as a political campaign tool without making assumptions that it would primarily be a conservative thing. The fact that this behavior continued for years until Congress actually started looking into it does nothing but harm the institution.

It might not just be limited to griping, I wonder if this actually opens the gates for legal action against the IRS for allegedly biased actions for prominent conservative taxpayers and conservative for-profit organizations.

I guess it is all a matter of what the inquiry and any subsequent trials reveal but could get nasty

Possibly although as more information comes out it makes their cases hold less water since the ideology of the groups was never an issue.

If I repeat a lie enough times its totally true


Exactly. Keep listening to Talk Radio and you'll think you're the most persecuted group in America.
 
2013-05-23 11:54:11 AM
Let me summarize the three scandals:

Benghazzi: CIA was wrong about the attacks starting from a protest
IRS: IRS was wrong for scrutinizing anti-tax groups
AP/Fox News call records: you still have the Patriot Act

What did I miss?
 
2013-05-23 11:55:51 AM

mrshowrules: Let me summarize the three scandals:

Benghazzi: CIA was wrong about the attacks starting from a protest
IRS: IRS was wrong for scrutinizing anti-tax groups
AP/Fox News call records: you still have the Patriot Act

What did I miss?


AP/Fox news call records weren't obtained using the PA I don't think. Espionage Act of 19dickity2 or something like that.
 
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