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(Wired)   Xbone reveal day 3: Xbone VP goes back on what Xbone reps have been saying for the last few days; says those plans won't happen until everyone's invested heavily in the Xbone itself   (wired.com) divider line 236
    More: Followup, Phil Harrison, Xbox, Microsoft, single game, Redmond, u.s. cents, multiplayer games  
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2013-05-23 09:06:46 AM
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2013-05-23 09:08:07 AM
Does Sony sponsor Fark now?  The first four headlines of the new Xbox since it launched the other day have all been trolltastic.
 
2013-05-23 09:12:51 AM
What theurge14 said...


or THIS^^^^
 
2013-05-23 09:16:18 AM
Where did the VP say what's in the headline?  Did I miss it?
 
2013-05-23 09:17:28 AM
So before this degenerates into another "Hatfield/McCoyPC/Console" thread, I would just like to point out this is a completely unwitty and stupid sounding nickname.

Any of you who use it, including subby, will sound really frickin dumb.
 
2013-05-23 09:18:37 AM
What did he go back on? Missed that bit. He's just cleared a few things up a bit. Trollerific
 
2013-05-23 09:21:03 AM
Agreed. I was failing to see what he went back on. Granted, I think this is a horrid console and I won't be buying it, but at least it was better than the past several interviews Harrison has done. I don't think it's a coincidence that this time MS had a PR guy with him to prevent him saying something stupid.
 
2013-05-23 09:23:25 AM
Subby, don't listen to Jim. Keep fighting the good fight!

Hint: it's supposed to sound dumb. That's the point of dumb nicknames.
 
2013-05-23 09:25:16 AM

King Keepo: What did he go back on? Missed that bit. He's just cleared a few things up a bit. Trollerific


Not really. He doesn't say much that hasn't been covered and is vague to the point of 'read what you want into this'.

He mentions how you still need the Xbox live account linked to the game to play it. So the entire 'Yes! You can take it to your buddies house and play t! You can use it with multiple in house xboxes!' Is a load of horse shiat diversion.

The game is still linked to YOUR Xbox live account. Being able to sign in with your account on another Xbox is not the solution, and he's glossing over that like a champ.

So what you'll have to do, to share in house, is pass around your live account credentials. That's awesome, thanks.

And he skips right past the 'phone home' issue too. 'It will be very user friendly', and 'well, some games may be entirely on the disc!' My fat pasty ass they will be.
 
2013-05-23 09:25:18 AM
Help me out here.  So in order to play a game you must purchase an Xbox live account and if say your kids, husband etc. want to play it they each need a live account? Do those accounts cost a fee?

/I have a PS3 so I'm not too hip when it comes to Xbox jargon.
//Gimme back my Amiga500
 
2013-05-23 09:27:22 AM
So the games will be staying on the 360. Guess I will be too.
 
2013-05-23 09:27:38 AM

JellyDoughnut: Help me out here.  So in order to play a game you must purchase an Xbox live account and if say your kids, husband etc. want to play it they each need a live account? Do those accounts cost a fee?

/I have a PS3 so I'm not too hip when it comes to Xbox jargon.
//Gimme back my Amiga500


Xbox Live Gold account costs money
The silver account is free

It has always been this way.

The gold account allows you to play online
The silver just gives you a connection so you can get game updates and downloadable content.
 
2013-05-23 09:30:38 AM
Harrison:  There is some technology about how often, or how frequently the device has to 'ping', but that has not been... we have not talked publicly about that yet, but it will be very user-friendly.
Wired: So are you saying that there is no function of the machine which checks in with Microsoft to see whether the player is still authorized to use the games that they've bought - there is no user validation check, or any sort of DRM function?
Harrison: We haven't announced the details of that today, but like I said, it will be very user-friendly.

Oh, so they will stop me from playing in a "user-friendly" way.
 
2013-05-23 09:31:44 AM

jfivealive: JellyDoughnut: Help me out here.  So in order to play a game you must purchase an Xbox live account and if say your kids, husband etc. want to play it they each need a live account? Do those accounts cost a fee?

/I have a PS3 so I'm not too hip when it comes to Xbox jargon.
//Gimme back my Amiga500

Xbox Live Gold account costs money
The silver account is free

It has always been this way.

The gold account allows you to play online
The silver just gives you a connection so you can get game updates and downloadable content.


So you would need to purchase the game, then pay a monthly/yearly fee to be online and have an internet connection to play the game and if your kind would like to play I would need to purchase an additional membership?  Yikes.
 
2013-05-23 09:32:17 AM
This may be optimistic, but you may be able to attach several gamer tags to one xbox live account.  The xbox live account could only be connected through one IP address at a single time, which would allow several xboxes to run at the same time through your home network.  This way you could 'pass the disc' around to each person in the house.  The game would be locked when being played by one of the linked gamer tags to limit use to only the number of copies purchased.

Probably not though.
 
2013-05-23 09:36:27 AM

JellyDoughnut: jfivealive: JellyDoughnut: Help me out here.  So in order to play a game you must purchase an Xbox live account and if say your kids, husband etc. want to play it they each need a live account? Do those accounts cost a fee?

/I have a PS3 so I'm not too hip when it comes to Xbox jargon.
//Gimme back my Amiga500

Xbox Live Gold account costs money
The silver account is free

It has always been this way.

The gold account allows you to play online
The silver just gives you a connection so you can get game updates and downloadable content.

So you would need to purchase the game, then pay a monthly/yearly fee to be online and have an internet connection to play the game and if your kind would like to play I would need to purchase an additional membership?  Yikes.


No.

The silver membership is free.  You need an account to link everything too.  Like if you purchased downloadable content, it will have to link that license to your account in case your xbox dies so you can re download it for free by signing into your account.  And of course you have to pay for your own internet connection.

The only difference between gold and silver is that you can't connect to the xbox live multiplayer service.  You can do private games and lan games which would allow you to take advantage of the multiplayer options encoded into the game.  But you have to pay for the xbox live matchmaking services with a monthly fee, which is $5 a month.
 
2013-05-23 09:38:14 AM

Jim from Saint Paul: So before this degenerates into another "Hatfield/McCoyPC/Console" thread, I would just like to point out this is a completely unwitty and stupid sounding nickname.

Any of you who use it, including subby, will sound really frickin dumb.


Agreed. I don't know where this whole "every time a new product comes out, let's make fun of the name" thing came from, but "Xbone" is a real stretch.
 
2013-05-23 09:42:04 AM

jfivealive: JellyDoughnut: jfivealive: JellyDoughnut: Help me out here.  So in order to play a game you must purchase an Xbox live account and if say your kids, husband etc. want to play it they each need a live account? Do those accounts cost a fee?

/I have a PS3 so I'm not too hip when it comes to Xbox jargon.
//Gimme back my Amiga500

Xbox Live Gold account costs money
The silver account is free

It has always been this way.

The gold account allows you to play online
The silver just gives you a connection so you can get game updates and downloadable content.

So you would need to purchase the game, then pay a monthly/yearly fee to be online and have an internet connection to play the game and if your kind would like to play I would need to purchase an additional membership?  Yikes.

No.

The silver membership is free.  You need an account to link everything too.  Like if you purchased downloadable content, it will have to link that license to your account in case your xbox dies so you can re download it for free by signing into your account.  And of course you have to pay for your own internet connection.

The only difference between gold and silver is that you can't connect to the xbox live multiplayer service.  You can do private games and lan games which would allow you to take advantage of the multiplayer options encoded into the game.  But you have to pay for the xbox live matchmaking services with a monthly fee, which is $5 a month.


I thought they got rid of "Silver" memberships...

*wiki it*

Ah, they just renamed it "free" memberships.
 
2013-05-23 09:42:36 AM

theurge14: Does Sony sponsor Fark now?  The first four headlines of the new Xbox since it launched the other day have all been trolltastic.


Can you think of a good article? Microsoft really mismanaged this launch and completely lost control of the message. All we need is a few MS employees to go crazy on Twitter and we'll have an Amy's Baking Company level melt down
 
2013-05-23 09:44:29 AM

jfivealive: JellyDoughnut: jfivealive: JellyDoughnut: Help me out here.  So in order to play a game you must purchase an Xbox live account and if say your kids, husband etc. want to play it they each need a live account? Do those accounts cost a fee?

/I have a PS3 so I'm not too hip when it comes to Xbox jargon.
//Gimme back my Amiga500

Xbox Live Gold account costs money
The silver account is free

It has always been this way.

The gold account allows you to play online
The silver just gives you a connection so you can get game updates and downloadable content.

So you would need to purchase the game, then pay a monthly/yearly fee to be online and have an internet connection to play the game and if your kind would like to play I would need to purchase an additional membership?  Yikes.

No.

The silver membership is free.  You need an account to link everything too.  Like if you purchased downloadable content, it will have to link that license to your account in case your xbox dies so you can re download it for free by signing into your account.  And of course you have to pay for your own internet connection.

The only difference between gold and silver is that you can't connect to the xbox live multiplayer service.  You can do private games and lan games which would allow you to take advantage of the multiplayer options encoded into the game.  But you have to pay for the xbox live matchmaking services with a monthly fee, which is $5 a month.


Without XBL gold you can play LAN matches in the same house or split screen (unless you mod your xbox but that is another story). XBL is now $8 a month or $50 a year.
 
2013-05-23 09:50:05 AM

theurge14: Does Sony sponsor Fark now?  The first four headlines of the new Xbox since it launched the other day have all been trolltastic.


No, there's no trolling going on.  MS has done this to themselves.  Have you actually read the contents of these articles?
 
2013-05-23 09:50:16 AM

kroonermanblack: He mentions how you still need the Xbox live account linked to the game to play it. So the entire 'Yes! You can take it to your buddies house and play t! You can use it with multiple in house xboxes!' Is a load of horse shiat diversion.

The game is still linked to YOUR Xbox live account. Being able to sign in with your account on another Xbox is not the solution, and he's glossing over that like a champ.


They've said that from the start though - the bit about the game being tied to your Live account. Install anywhere is fine as long as the account is enabled to play it. I think the worst part is that my kids wouldn't be able to play my games without buying them. I don't want to have to fork out for 3 versions of Katamari so we can all play separately in the same way I don't spend 3 times to watch a film with them. Unless I go to a cinema. Dammit.

Interesting thing is now the physical disk just becomes some kind of viral distribution method.
 
2013-05-23 09:52:44 AM

theurge14: Does Sony sponsor Fark now?  The first four headlines of the new Xbox since it launched the other day have all been trolltastic.


Maybe that's because the XBox1 appears to be a crap system.
 
2013-05-23 09:55:29 AM

Carth: Without XBL gold you can play LAN matches in the same house or split screen (unless you mod your xbox but that is another story). XBL is now $8 a month or $50 a year.


Did you mean can't?  You can play lan matches and games that have coop split screen capabilities without an xbox live gold membership, and no you don't have to mod your xbox.
 
2013-05-23 09:57:35 AM
It just feels wrong. It's like double dipping or pecking you to death with your wallet.  Unless Xbox says "psyche!" at E3, no sale!
 
2013-05-23 09:58:03 AM
So, it's not "always online", but to play a single player game you will have to be online sometimes?

That's.....that's not better.

//None of these games will be playable in ten years.
///What the fark is the point? Why bother creating a meaningful, interesting game that no one will be able to play in a few years?
 
2013-05-23 09:59:21 AM
I love this angsty backpedaling on the part of Microsoft. I'm thinking the marketing execs saw all the hate about the release, called up the DRM people, and screamed "You! Stop doing all of that!"
 
2013-05-23 10:00:22 AM
I like the name xbone. I'd call it that even if it looked awesome.
 
2013-05-23 10:02:37 AM

kroonermanblack: King Keepo: What did he go back on? Missed that bit. He's just cleared a few things up a bit. Trollerific

Not really. He doesn't say much that hasn't been covered and is vague to the point of 'read what you want into this'.

He mentions how you still need the Xbox live account linked to the game to play it. So the entire 'Yes! You can take it to your buddies house and play t! You can use it with multiple in house xboxes!' Is a load of horse shiat diversion.

The game is still linked to YOUR Xbox live account. Being able to sign in with your account on another Xbox is not the solution, and he's glossing over that like a champ.

So what you'll have to do, to share in house, is pass around your live account credentials. That's awesome, thanks.

And he skips right past the 'phone home' issue too. 'It will be very user friendly', and 'well, some games may be entirely on the disc!' My fat pasty ass they will be.


Acually he said you can lend the disc to a friend and they can use it, but since they are not the original owner, they cant play it without the disc in the machine.    So five people cannot chip in on one game, or one person just pass it around after having bought it.  Reading comprehension, get some.
 
2013-05-23 10:02:51 AM
It seems as though he was still trying to skirt the issue about having to be online in order to play games.  His responses were pretty ambiguous.
 
2013-05-23 10:03:13 AM

King Keepo: I don't want to have to fork out for 3 versions of Katamari


But MS does. How about you meet them halfway... pay $59.95 for each additional license (that's what it's going to run, according to Harrison).
 
2013-05-23 10:06:32 AM
Wired: Does the device function if the Kinect is not attached?

Harrison: Kinect and Xbox One are one and the same. They are two parts of the equation. Obviously the Kinect sensor is used for Skype, for communication, for voice recognition, gesture and motion sensing and the rest.

Wired: So as an example, if your dog comes in and somehow it knocks the Kinect down and breaks it, would you still be able to use the box if there was a particular game which did not use the functions embedded into the Kinect?

Harrison: In that situation, I have no idea. [consults with assistant] What kind of dog is it?

Wired: The dog from the  Call of Duty video you showed today. That one.

Harrison: (laughs)
 -----

So completely avoids the question, has no idea, so let me guess... it won't work.
 
2013-05-23 10:06:34 AM
Also FWIW, two franchises the PS has that are truly epic (and cheap):

http://www.littlebigplanet.com

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncharted
 
2013-05-23 10:07:32 AM

theurge14: Does Sony sponsor Fark now?  The first four headlines of the new Xbox since it launched the other day have all been trolltastic.


lately Fark has a serious hard-on for any MS hate.
 
2013-05-23 10:07:42 AM

theflatline: kroonermanblack: King Keepo: What did he go back on? Missed that bit. He's just cleared a few things up a bit. Trollerific

Not really. He doesn't say much that hasn't been covered and is vague to the point of 'read what you want into this'.

He mentions how you still need the Xbox live account linked to the game to play it. So the entire 'Yes! You can take it to your buddies house and play t! You can use it with multiple in house xboxes!' Is a load of horse shiat diversion.

The game is still linked to YOUR Xbox live account. Being able to sign in with your account on another Xbox is not the solution, and he's glossing over that like a champ.

So what you'll have to do, to share in house, is pass around your live account credentials. That's awesome, thanks.

And he skips right past the 'phone home' issue too. 'It will be very user friendly', and 'well, some games may be entirely on the disc!' My fat pasty ass they will be.

Acually he said you can lend the disc to a friend and they can use it, but since they are not the original owner, they cant play it without the disc in the machine.    So five people cannot chip in on one game, or one person just pass it around after having bought it.  Reading comprehension, get some.


That seems unlikely since the original owner would still be able to play without the disc in the machine and the friend would be able to play at the same time with it in the machine. Unless there is an individual authentication for each game but that would cause problems if you installed a copy, lost the disc and then bought a new one.
 
2013-05-23 10:10:05 AM
I'm a big Xbox fan and it ticks me off that Microsoft is making a system that checks in like it does.

I don't mind the current system which basically tells you, "Hey, you have an update. If you want to be able to use online functions, you need to download it." If I don't download it, I can still play single player games, or watch movies, or listen to music.

I have a son who visits me every couple of weeks. Sometimes he'll take a 360 game home with him, or bring one to my place. With the Xbox One, that will cause financial headaches. Let's suppose I can "unregister" the game from my system so he can play at his mother's - what if his mother says, "Nope, we're not unregistering it before you go back to visit your dad. He has to buy his own copy now."

I really want the Xbox One, but I'm not prepared to buy one under the conditions Microsoft appears to be imposing upon its users.
 
2013-05-23 10:11:12 AM
The more and more Xbox/Microsoft reps talk, the more and more they are just making it sound worse...

I mentioned it briefly to my gf the other evening and when I mentioned the used games/borrowing games thing, she said that pretty much kills GameStop.
 
2013-05-23 10:11:58 AM

ModernLuddite: So, it's not "always online", but to play a single player game you will have to be online sometimes?

That's.....that's not better.

//None of these games will be playable in ten years.
///What the fark is the point? Why bother creating a meaningful, interesting game that no one will be able to play in a few years?


He's saying "We are desiging everything to run through the cloud, which requires an internet connection to access. Maybe some developers will choose not to use it!"

Basicaly Microsoft is making a game system whose best functionalities will need constant internet connection, yet can say "we won't FORCE developers to use it" therefore putting the onus of "needing to be online all the time" on the developer instead of them.

Step 3: Profit.
 
2013-05-23 10:12:49 AM

theflatline: kroonermanblack: King Keepo: What did he go back on? Missed that bit. He's just cleared a few things up a bit. Trollerific

Not really. He doesn't say much that hasn't been covered and is vague to the point of 'read what you want into this'.

He mentions how you still need the Xbox live account linked to the game to play it. So the entire 'Yes! You can take it to your buddies house and play t! You can use it with multiple in house xboxes!' Is a load of horse shiat diversion.

The game is still linked to YOUR Xbox live account. Being able to sign in with your account on another Xbox is not the solution, and he's glossing over that like a champ.

So what you'll have to do, to share in house, is pass around your live account credentials. That's awesome, thanks.

And he skips right past the 'phone home' issue too. 'It will be very user friendly', and 'well, some games may be entirely on the disc!' My fat pasty ass they will be.

Acually he said you can lend the disc to a friend and they can use it, but since they are not the original owner, they cant play it without the disc in the machine.    So five people cannot chip in on one game, or one person just pass it around after having bought it.  Reading comprehension, get some.


I thought that at first too, but I'm 99% sure that bringing the disk to a friend's house would also mean you have to login to your XBL account, thus authorizing it to play on that machine. When you leave (and he specifically says take the disk with you), your friend has the option of "buying" the game since all the info is already on their Xbox, and buying it just unlocks it for you to use with your account.
 
2013-05-23 10:15:42 AM
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"It will be very user-friendly."
 
2013-05-23 10:18:03 AM

meatofmystery: theurge14: Does Sony sponsor Fark now?  The first four headlines of the new Xbox since it launched the other day have all been trolltastic.

lately Fark has a serious hard-on for any MS hate.


Recently? I noticed they hate MS on everything except the Xbox 360 and Win7. But even that get some hate too. Honestly, I was never a fan of X Box but I was forced, girlfriend made me, to get a 360 and I enjoyed it. Was thinking of getting all three consoles for next gen but now I am offing the new X Box on the concept of used games. I will get my PS4 and Wii U and stick with those.
 
2013-05-23 10:18:05 AM

JellyDoughnut: So you would need to purchase the game, then pay a monthly/yearly fee to be online and have an internet connection to play the game and if your kind would like to play I would need to purchase an additional membership?  Yikes.


It's not quite that bad.  For all practical purposes the paid membership is tied to the xbox, so you would only need one paid account per xbox, regardless of the number of people that use it.

jfivealive: The only difference between gold and silver is that you can't connect to the xbox live multiplayer service.  You can do private games and lan games which would allow you to take advantage of the multiplayer options encoded into the game.  But you have to pay for the xbox live matchmaking services with a monthly fee, which is $5 a month.


It's not just the multiplayer service.  The Xbox 360 also disables media streaming (Netflix, Hulu, etc) without a gold subscription.  I don't see any reason that will change with the new one.
 
2013-05-23 10:18:12 AM

Carth: That seems unlikely since the original owner would still be able to play without the disc in the machine and the friend would be able to play at the same time with it in the machine. Unless there is an individual authentication for each game but that would cause problems if you installed a copy, lost the disc and then bought a new one.


From what I understand, your friend will need to play under your account. It won't work under his account unless he buys a license.
 
2013-05-23 10:20:11 AM

digistil: Carth: That seems unlikely since the original owner would still be able to play without the disc in the machine and the friend would be able to play at the same time with it in the machine. Unless there is an individual authentication for each game but that would cause problems if you installed a copy, lost the disc and then bought a new one.

From what I understand, your friend will need to play under your account. It won't work under his account unless he buys a license.


That makes sense since i'm guessing you can't be logged in with one account in two places.

Would that stop you from letting a friend borrow your game when you're done with it?
 
2013-05-23 10:21:21 AM

Carth: Unless there is an individual authentication for each game but that would cause problems if you installed a copy, lost the disc and then bought a new one.


Authentication is via the Live account. There will be a flag on there saying "GamerTag X owns this game" and they will be able to play it regardless of which machine it's on or whether it was installed via disk or download. The disk is just a way of distributing the game.

So Gamer1 installs on their One, pays and plays. They hand the disk to Gamer2 who installs it but can't play it until paying. Gamer1 comes round and plays on their gamertag. Gamer2 then pays and can now play. Two different installs, two separate payments and both gamers can play anywhere.

At least that's how I'm reading it...
 
2013-05-23 10:23:14 AM

digistil: Carth: That seems unlikely since the original owner would still be able to play without the disc in the machine and the friend would be able to play at the same time with it in the machine. Unless there is an individual authentication for each game but that would cause problems if you installed a copy, lost the disc and then bought a new one.

From what I understand, your friend will need to play under your account. It won't work under his account unless he buys a license.


You are correct. This has been made very clear by Microsoft.
 
2013-05-23 10:24:12 AM

Carth: Would that stop you from letting a friend borrow your game when you're done with it?


Yeah, it cuts that out because your friend can't play it even if it's installed on their machine, without paying to get the license.
 
2013-05-23 10:24:32 AM

IrateShadow: JellyDoughnut: So you would need to purchase the game, then pay a monthly/yearly fee to be online and have an internet connection to play the game and if your kind would like to play I would need to purchase an additional membership? Yikes.

It's not quite that bad. For all practical purposes the paid membership is tied to the xbox, so you would only need one paid account per xbox, regardless of the number of people that use it.


I think Sony did it right with the Online service payment plans. I was a free online player with Sony and I got to play all my games online no matter what. But then I choose to get the PSN+ upgrade for the cloud saving and since then, I got nearly $500 in free games. And these are not small crap titles. They are some of Sony's big titles like inFamous and Little Big Planet 1 and 2. I even scored Sonic 1 and 2, Castlevania and SotN, Golden Axe (the original), Scott Pilgrim Vs the World and several others like Super Street Fighter 4 Arcade HD delux edition or whatever the newest version of that game was. Have yet to receive anything like that from Live. Only thing I like about Live is that I can link my computer and 360 games, assuming I own both copies (then again, Sony and Steam did that with Portal 2 and got a free PC version of Portal 2 with my PS3 copy).
 
2013-05-23 10:25:06 AM
 
2013-05-23 10:27:07 AM

King Keepo: Carth: Unless there is an individual authentication for each game but that would cause problems if you installed a copy, lost the disc and then bought a new one.

Authentication is via the Live account. There will be a flag on there saying "GamerTag X owns this game" and they will be able to play it regardless of which machine it's on or whether it was installed via disk or download. The disk is just a way of distributing the game.

So Gamer1 installs on their One, pays and plays. They hand the disk to Gamer2 who installs it but can't play it until paying. Gamer1 comes round and plays on their gamertag. Gamer2 then pays and can now play. Two different installs, two separate payments and both gamers can play anywhere.

At least that's how I'm reading it...


That's accurate. Game (whether physically purchased or downloaded) is tied to an account. If another account tries to use the game, they must pay.

However, like the current system, you can probably have multiple accounts logged in on the same system but, once the account that owns the game signs off, the other account must pay to play the game.
 
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