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2013-05-23 09:10:20 AM
Do we really need 3 farkin' threads about the Xbox One?
 
2013-05-23 09:12:02 AM
Forgot a key word there subby. Good stab at a flame war though
 
2013-05-23 09:13:26 AM

YodaBlues: Do we really need 3 farkin' threads about the Xbox One?


Probably making up for the lack of a thread on the day of the announcement.
 
2013-05-23 09:19:05 AM
"It's not hard to figure out what the gaming-first crowd wants: a super-powered box that connects to the TV, has a handheld controller "

No, not what I want at all. But I'm a pc gamer, hate hand held controllers.
 
2013-05-23 09:20:05 AM

Massa Damnata: "It's not hard to figure out what the gaming-first crowd wants: a super-powered box that connects to the TV, has a handheld controller "

No, not what I want at all. But I'm a pc gamer, hate hand held controllers.


What do you play games with, your feet?
 
2013-05-23 09:22:17 AM
As a PC gamer, all I want is an AI opponent that doesn't suck donkey balls.
 
2013-05-23 09:22:25 AM

exick: Massa Damnata: "It's not hard to figure out what the gaming-first crowd wants: a super-powered box that connects to the TV, has a handheld controller "

No, not what I want at all. But I'm a pc gamer, hate hand held controllers.

What do you play games with, your feet?


Hey, no joking around.  Shooting guns with a keyboard and mouse is serious business.
 
2013-05-23 09:25:47 AM
So gamers are wrong to want a gaming machine?

I get that it's unprofitable for a company to make these systems as games-only apparently, but you really shouldn't treat some of your customers like that. "Stop wanting something" isn't a good PR or business strategy.


That said, there are certainly a lot of unpleasable gamers out there, you'd never win over some of them.
 
2013-05-23 09:26:00 AM

Massa Damnata: "It's not hard to figure out what the gaming-first crowd wants: a super-powered box that connects to the TV, has a handheld controller "

No, not what I want at all. But I'm a pc gamer, hate hand held controllers.


I play many games on my PC, sometimes with a controller. M+K isn't the ideal solution for every game.
 
2013-05-23 09:26:28 AM
All indications are that the math is not working out on this deal anymore, and has not for a long time. It's looking more and more likely that what the gaming-only crowd wants is, as a financial matter, simply impossible. There may be no way to make money selling a bleeding-edge $500 games-only box with $60 games anymore. The expense of producing it all may be well out of whack with what players are willing to spend to get it.


Perhaps getting gamers to spend more money wouldn't be as much of a problem if the average American hadn't been suffering over 40 years of declining wages and wealth.
 
2013-05-23 09:27:04 AM

exick: Massa Damnata: "It's not hard to figure out what the gaming-first crowd wants: a super-powered box that connects to the TV, has a handheld controller "

No, not what I want at all. But I'm a pc gamer, hate hand held controllers.

What do you play games with, your feet?


allready ahead of you, you console scum.

/have a PC and a console,
//I like my indipendant games since they are actualy intresting.
 
2013-05-23 09:27:45 AM

bobtheallmighty: exick: Massa Damnata: "It's not hard to figure out what the gaming-first crowd wants: a super-powered box that connects to the TV, has a handheld controller "

No, not what I want at all. But I'm a pc gamer, hate hand held controllers.

What do you play games with, your feet?

allready ahead of you, you console scum.

/have a PC and a console,
//I like my indipendant games since they are actualy intresting.


crap I was so distracted by the smell of the unwashed console mass I forgot the link

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013/05/04/toe-ing-the-line-stinky-f oo tboard-is-funded-a-thing/
 
2013-05-23 09:28:54 AM
I love the gamer-rage over this, as if Microsoft should still just cater exclusively to them. Hell, as if any console maker still is.

90% of "hard core gamers" are going to buy this anyway. Meanwhile, Microsoft is going to be releasing a product that could very well put them on the cutting edge of digital set-top-box/entertainment center as TV slowly but inevitably moves away from traditional cable TV and towards online media/resources/subscriptions. The importance of being competitive with a product like this cannot be understated.

I also love how Microsoft is obviously "abandoning" gamers, as if they're going to go to game devs and say "Every game you design for the One must have a Kinect Dance-Off". The games will be there, morons. Just because the RAM is clocking in at like 133Mhz below what the PS4 will supposedly have doesn't mean you won't have awesome games.

It's times like these I'm sort of glad I only have like an hour a night for gaming these days, and mostly just end up playing Civ 5. The drama and couch fainting going on in the community these days is embarrassing.
 
2013-05-23 09:33:09 AM
I want: fun and compelling gameplay, and an engrossing and compelling story.

As long as graphics are shiat, I'm fine. AI is ok, I'm used to brutally stupid ones, and those are easy to fix.

Make the system not violently shiat itself, and run things fast/easy, with the above, and I'm happy.

I don't want Super HD mega blu ray 103582p scenes with a bazillion pixels and 'life like' water and shadow rendering. It's a game. I don't read books for the paper quality.
 
2013-05-23 09:34:48 AM
They don't want a PC because they don't want to mess with settings and deal with crashes;

The crash thing can be taken care of if the devs actually finish the game instead of rushing the game out the door knowing the patch that makes the game playable won't be ready until 2 months after release.


What is this mess with settings issue console kiddies always talk about?  They must be the ones who biatch on the forums about the game and when they post their system specs they are below the minimum required for the game.

Why won't skyrim run on my rig

p3
512 megs ram
geforce 6600
 
2013-05-23 09:35:24 AM
The biggest problem with alienating your base like this is that they will stop caring. Remember the frenzy when the current consoles came out? There were lines, wait lists, and scalping because people just had to have these new consoles. You can't get much better than that in terms of buzz and marketing.

Nobody's going to camp out for a glorified cable box.
 
2013-05-23 09:35:32 AM

Mad_Radhu: YodaBlues: Do we really need 3 farkin' threads about the Xbox One?

Probably making up for the lack of a thread on the day of the announcement.


There was a massive 600+ thread on the day of announcement.
 
2013-05-23 09:36:58 AM

jayhawk88: Microsoft is going to be releasing a product that could very well put them on the cutting edge of digital set-top-box/entertainment center as TV slowly but inevitably moves away from traditional cable TV and towards online media/resources/subscriptions.


Wow! This sounds so innovative!

If only there wasn't already something out there that offered all of these "benefits"... and then some...

Seriously... console owners are hilarious in their delusions...
 
2013-05-23 09:37:38 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Nobody's going to camp out for a glorified cable box.


Why does it seem like people are assuming "It has new features and they didn't play up the game part enough, therefore it's somehow not an Xbox that plays games anymore"?
 
2013-05-23 09:38:10 AM

kroonermanblack: don't want Super HD mega blu ray 103582p scenes with a bazillion pixels and 'life like' water and shadow rendering.


Consoles are superior to PCs that have to be upgraded every couple years with a 200$ video card....now excuse me while I buy a 2000$ TV to take advantage of those 103582p rendered scenes.
 
2013-05-23 09:38:15 AM

jayhawk88: I love the gamer-rage over this, as if Microsoft should still just cater exclusively to them. Hell, as if any console maker still is.

90% of "hard core gamers" are going to buy this anyway. Meanwhile, Microsoft is going to be releasing a product that could very well put them on the cutting edge of digital set-top-box/entertainment center as TV slowly but inevitably moves away from traditional cable TV and towards online media/resources/subscriptions. The importance of being competitive with a product like this cannot be understated.

I also love how Microsoft is obviously "abandoning" gamers, as if they're going to go to game devs and say "Every game you design for the One must have a Kinect Dance-Off". The games will be there, morons. Just because the RAM is clocking in at like 133Mhz below what the PS4 will supposedly have doesn't mean you won't have awesome games.

It's times like these I'm sort of glad I only have like an hour a night for gaming these days, and mostly just end up playing Civ 5. The drama and couch fainting going on in the community these days is embarrassing.


Once again my Jayhawk pal posts like a boss.

I've seen numerous mentions in the last few years regarding the usage patterns of the XBox 360 by people and how Netflix usage has been high. I don't think it's a stretch to consider that Microsoft has been studying usage on the XBox Live network to determine what their focus will be with the next console.  One Box To Rule Them All in front of a TV is not a new concept, it's just that nobody really has gotten it right yet.

When I hear these "hardcore" gamers squeal their disapproval over something my brain immediately goes into devil's advocate mode.  It's terrible that the Kinect is always on?  Oh, how about some game developers don't give the Kinect a chance in their game because some MBA upstairs looked at the numbers from XBox Live and noticed not every XBox owner has one, and of the ones that don't always turn it on.  Solution?  Put a Kinect on every console and make sure it stays on like a power button.  Now game developers don't have an excuse to ignore an exclusive feature on the console.
 
2013-05-23 09:42:26 AM

jayhawk88: 90% of "hard core gamers" are going to buy this anyway.


Not saying I agree or disagree with you, I do think SOME of the people biatching will buy it anyway, but I just wanted to comment on this statement. I've seen lots of people saying similar things to this effect, "Oh you biatch now, but you'll still buy it!" This is the same attitude Sony had with the PS3 and it bit them in the ass last generation. They got arrogant and didn't listen to the customer base. \

I might skip this generation, stick with PC's. Already got my own SteamBox in the living room that also functions as an HTPC running Plex. Even if I do get a console this gen, it won't be an Xbox One. The only exclusive title I cared about was Gears of War and I'm pretty much burned out on that.
 
2013-05-23 09:42:51 AM

LasersHurt: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Nobody's going to camp out for a glorified cable box.

Why does it seem like people are assuming "It has new features and they didn't play up the game part enough, therefore it's somehow not an Xbox that plays games anymore"?


Seriously, E3 is around the corner. That's when they'll talk up the games

It's why they brought EA out for sports games. They didn't want to show their had at first and thus presented the throwaway games that people will buy.
 
2013-05-23 09:49:25 AM

jayhawk88: The drama and couch fainting going on in the community these days is embarrassing.


This can't be repeated enough. It lends credence to the prevailing thought "Video games are for children." Especially when you have a group of adults whinging like petulant children.
 
2013-05-23 09:50:31 AM
I owned both the previous xboxes.  Microsoft lost me in the 360 era when they decided that advertising at me was better than making it easier to find the content I want, buy it, and play it.  There is absolutely nothing they can do to win my trust back, and they aren't trying.

WiiU for nintendo first party games, a decent $1k laptop for everything else.
 
2013-05-23 09:51:56 AM
It's not hard to figure out what the gaming-first crowd wants: a super-powered box that connects to the TV, has a handheld controller and has a huge library of games from the biggest-budget epics to the breakout indie hits. They don't want a PC because they don't want to mess with settings and deal with crashes; they want a standard platform that Just Works. It can do other things, sure, but games are the meat and everything else is somewhere between the gravy and the pepper shaker.

Yeah, this kind of device is just impossible, what kind of magic are these people expecting Microsoft to work?!  I mean, it's not like several companies (including Microsoft) have already done this exact thing before.

/This article is a farking joke, it's like Professor Farnsworth wrote it
 
2013-05-23 09:55:57 AM
They don't want a PC because they don't want to mess with settings and deal with crashes; they want a standard platform that Just Works.

I was going to play online Doom with a buddy of mine. I had to load it off the CD, create a bat file for extended memory, install a trumpet winsock client, so I could peer-to-peer with him over the 56K modem. Then tell it about my soundblaster and SVGA card that I was running.

Thankfully, I found a time machine that took me to 2013, where I had to do the following:-
1. Plug in PC.
2. Plug PC into monitor and router
3. Download steam client
4. Create steam account
5. Pay for and download steam games
6. Play steam games
 
2013-05-23 09:56:00 AM

YodaBlues: Mad_Radhu: YodaBlues: Do we really need 3 farkin' threads about the Xbox One?

Probably making up for the lack of a thread on the day of the announcement.

There was a massive 600+ thread on the day of announcement.


The Xbox One was announced mid-day on the 21st. That thread is dated the 22nd, almost a full day afterwards.
 
2013-05-23 09:59:15 AM

thunderbird8804: It's not hard to figure out what the gaming-first crowd wants: a super-powered box that connects to the TV, has a handheld controller and has a huge library of games from the biggest-budget epics to the breakout indie hits. They don't want a PC because they don't want to mess with settings and deal with crashes; they want a standard platform that Just Works. It can do other things, sure, but games are the meat and everything else is somewhere between the gravy and the pepper shaker.

Yeah, this kind of device is just impossible, what kind of magic are these people expecting Microsoft to work?!  I mean, it's not like several companies (including Microsoft) have already done this exact thing before.

/This article is a farking joke, it's like Professor Farnsworth wrote it


I believe the point of the article wasn't that this device is impossible to make, it's impossible to make a profit on it.
 
2013-05-23 09:59:24 AM

ikanreed: I owned both the previous xboxes.  Microsoft lost me in the 360 era when they decided that advertising at me was better than making it easier to find the content I want, buy it, and play it.  There is absolutely nothing they can do to win my trust back, and they aren't trying.

WiiU for nintendo first party games, a decent $1k laptop for everything else.


Gaming on a laptop is retarded. I'm sorry. For the performance, you could build a desktop that beats the laptop, for a few hundred. Or you could sink the same 1k into a desktop and not upgrade it for 5 years and play everything on max.
 
2013-05-23 09:59:30 AM

nulluspixiusdemonica: If only there wasn't already something out there that offered all of these "benefits"... and then some...


There's a product out there that is capable of playing the majority of console titles released today, acts as a cable box, is a blu-ray player, will offer cloud storage of game saves and entertainment media, and smooth, enhanced, faster control when moving between game playing and television? And does all this without the user needing to spend 50 hours downloading, installing, and configuring different software on a PC to accomplish this?

Look, I'm not saying the One will be the glorious gold icon of perfection, there's a lot of yet unanswered questions (which cable companies will you be able to use it with again?). And yeah they're doing a lot of not-so-great things with it, like the used game thing and internet access-as-drm. But there's no denying what Microsoft's goal is with this product, to be the hub of your entertainment center, and as it stands right now the One will be in a better position to fill that role than any other product on the market.
 
2013-05-23 10:01:42 AM
Last few games I purchased were Don't Starve (received second copy free), Deadlight, Mark of the Ninja, Legend of Grimrock, Limbo, and now Reus. Those games all use simple but well done graphical elements except for Legend of Grimrock which due to the confines still requires few resources. We are rather over the graphical arms race and back to affordable, high-quality games. All of them combined cost me a little under a new console game, and, outside of Deadlight because I have been forgetting to get back for the achievements and Reus cause I bought yesterday, each has taken at least 15 hours of my time up. Hard to find entertainment which is better than a dollar an hour.

Not sure why console...'gamers'... are upset about not giving basically all the XBox One resources towards graphical processing. When the expectation for the next and greatest game to sweep onto a console is flashiest graphics and effects, the barrier to entry for other developers increases right along (else people dismiss the game as not looking professional) as the costs for developing art for the game further increases with additional time and a bigger team.
 
2013-05-23 10:01:44 AM

LasersHurt: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Nobody's going to camp out for a glorified cable box.

Why does it seem like people are assuming "It has new features and they didn't play up the game part enough, therefore it's somehow not an Xbox that plays games anymore"?


Because it didn't sound like they enhanced its gaming capability at all. There wasn't a gaming hook that was calling out to people to upgrade their 360s. It may turn out that it's leaps and bounds ahead of the 360, but at this point in time it feels like they grafted a bunch of random media elements to a console you already own.
 
2013-05-23 10:03:47 AM
Why does the article writer assume it should be the gamers' priority to hold stock prices up?  What a weird article.
 
2013-05-23 10:07:28 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: LasersHurt: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Nobody's going to camp out for a glorified cable box.

Why does it seem like people are assuming "It has new features and they didn't play up the game part enough, therefore it's somehow not an Xbox that plays games anymore"?

Because it didn't sound like they enhanced its gaming capability at all. There wasn't a gaming hook that was calling out to people to upgrade their 360s. It may turn out that it's leaps and bounds ahead of the 360, but at this point in time it feels like they grafted a bunch of random media elements to a console you already own.


I'm gonna say Wait for E3. There's a ton of potential in what they showed with the hardware, and the box itself will be very capable.
 
2013-05-23 10:08:21 AM

jfivealive: thunderbird8804: It's not hard to figure out what the gaming-first crowd wants: a super-powered box that connects to the TV, has a handheld controller and has a huge library of games from the biggest-budget epics to the breakout indie hits. They don't want a PC because they don't want to mess with settings and deal with crashes; they want a standard platform that Just Works. It can do other things, sure, but games are the meat and everything else is somewhere between the gravy and the pepper shaker.

Yeah, this kind of device is just impossible, what kind of magic are these people expecting Microsoft to work?!  I mean, it's not like several companies (including Microsoft) have already done this exact thing before.

/This article is a farking joke, it's like Professor Farnsworth wrote it

I believe the point of the article wasn't that this device is impossible to make, it's impossible to make a profit on it.


Yeah, and that's such a giant lie that I didn't even feel like addressing it.
 
2013-05-23 10:10:01 AM

jayhawk88:  And does all this without the user needing to spend 50 hours downloading


Twonk. "50 hrs" is manufactured drama. Been playing games on a PC for some years now and I have *never* encountered this tribble. My PC is already my media hub, only far more powerful than the dedicated boxes and far more versatile/upgradeable.

jayhawk88: they're doing a lot of not-so-great things with it, like the used game thing and internet access-as-drm


Here's a fun fact - it's a console. The hardware IS the DRM. Just saying.

Also, hands up everyone who hasn't had to download a patch for a console game.

And don't get me started on the rocket scientists paying monthly subs for XBL... Face it, when it comes to being duped, console gamers lead the pack...
 
2013-05-23 10:14:48 AM

thunderbird8804: jfivealive: thunderbird8804: It's not hard to figure out what the gaming-first crowd wants: a super-powered box that connects to the TV, has a handheld controller and has a huge library of games from the biggest-budget epics to the breakout indie hits. They don't want a PC because they don't want to mess with settings and deal with crashes; they want a standard platform that Just Works. It can do other things, sure, but games are the meat and everything else is somewhere between the gravy and the pepper shaker.

Yeah, this kind of device is just impossible, what kind of magic are these people expecting Microsoft to work?!  I mean, it's not like several companies (including Microsoft) have already done this exact thing before.

/This article is a farking joke, it's like Professor Farnsworth wrote it

I believe the point of the article wasn't that this device is impossible to make, it's impossible to make a profit on it.

Yeah, and that's such a giant lie that I didn't even feel like addressing it.


It is?  I honestly thought that Sony and Microsoft were in the hole when it came to net income on 360 and ps3.  Are they not?
 
2013-05-23 10:16:59 AM

Vangor: Last few games I purchased were Don't Starve (received second copy free), Deadlight, Mark of the Ninja, Legend of Grimrock, Limbo, and now Reus. Those games all use simple but well done graphical elements except for Legend of Grimrock which due to the confines still requires few resources. We are rather over the graphical arms race and back to affordable, high-quality games. All of them combined cost me a little under a new console game, and, outside of Deadlight because I have been forgetting to get back for the achievements and Reus cause I bought yesterday, each has taken at least 15 hours of my time up. Hard to find entertainment which is better than a dollar an hour.

Not sure why console...'gamers'... are upset about not giving basically all the XBox One resources towards graphical processing. When the expectation for the next and greatest game to sweep onto a console is flashiest graphics and effects, the barrier to entry for other developers increases right along (else people dismiss the game as not looking professional) as the costs for developing art for the game further increases with additional time and a bigger team.


PC Gaming is going through a massive renaissance currently in terms of interesting and somewhat unique games are coming out virtually every week, and the whole "the purpose of gaming is create the most detailed and expensive 3D graphical simulation in existence so far, while having exactly the same gameplay as all the last dozen entries in the same tired series of games or the predecessors it is trying to clone" seems to have died out (Crysis seems to have been really the apex of the attempt to sell PC games based on how heavily it will strain your graphics card rather the actual way the game plays). There was also similarly a bunch of RTS games around the same time that tried to make a lot of how you could zoom in and get ridiculous levels of detail in your units. Which then as soon as you start playing you zoom right out to see as much of the map as you can, so it was all pretty much irrelevant to the actual gameplay.

/note that I am not saying Crysis or whatever were bad games, I am commenting purely on the way they were sold/marketed/reviewed based on the graphical detail more than anything else
 
2013-05-23 10:18:06 AM

YodaBlues: Do we really need 3 farkin' threads about the Xbox One?


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/Picture not related
 
2013-05-23 10:18:58 AM
If it can function as a full blow STB and game I 'm buying it day one.

360 is an infinitely more appealing experience than navigating Comcast's On Demand menu.
Buddy you haven't seen the latest upgrade to ondemand on Uverse, that shiat is beyond horrid
 
2013-05-23 10:20:55 AM

jfivealive: thunderbird8804: jfivealive: thunderbird8804: It's not hard to figure out what the gaming-first crowd wants: a super-powered box that connects to the TV, has a handheld controller and has a huge library of games from the biggest-budget epics to the breakout indie hits. They don't want a PC because they don't want to mess with settings and deal with crashes; they want a standard platform that Just Works. It can do other things, sure, but games are the meat and everything else is somewhere between the gravy and the pepper shaker.

Yeah, this kind of device is just impossible, what kind of magic are these people expecting Microsoft to work?!  I mean, it's not like several companies (including Microsoft) have already done this exact thing before.

/This article is a farking joke, it's like Professor Farnsworth wrote it

I believe the point of the article wasn't that this device is impossible to make, it's impossible to make a profit on it.

Yeah, and that's such a giant lie that I didn't even feel like addressing it.

It is?  I honestly thought that Sony and Microsoft were in the hole when it came to net income on 360 and ps3.  Are they not?


360 been out of the hole about 3 years ago and Sony about a year now
 
2013-05-23 10:22:15 AM

jfivealive: thunderbird8804: jfivealive: thunderbird8804: It's not hard to figure out what the gaming-first crowd wants: a super-powered box that connects to the TV, has a handheld controller and has a huge library of games from the biggest-budget epics to the breakout indie hits. They don't want a PC because they don't want to mess with settings and deal with crashes; they want a standard platform that Just Works. It can do other things, sure, but games are the meat and everything else is somewhere between the gravy and the pepper shaker.

Yeah, this kind of device is just impossible, what kind of magic are these people expecting Microsoft to work?!  I mean, it's not like several companies (including Microsoft) have already done this exact thing before.

/This article is a farking joke, it's like Professor Farnsworth wrote it

I believe the point of the article wasn't that this device is impossible to make, it's impossible to make a profit on it.

Yeah, and that's such a giant lie that I didn't even feel like addressing it.

It is?  I honestly thought that Sony and Microsoft were in the hole when it came to net income on 360 and ps3.  Are they not?


They've both been in the black on their respective consoles for a few years now.
 
2013-05-23 10:25:03 AM
What I want from a video game more than anything is immersion.I want to forget that I'm sitting in a chair playing a game. I want to stick my head into the screen and look around. I want to escape this reality altogether.
  That's why I'm saving my money to build a new gaming PC and buy the Oculus Rift when it comes out.
 
2013-05-23 10:28:32 AM

jayhawk88: But there's no denying what Microsoft's goal is with this product, to be the hub of your entertainment center, and as it stands right now the One will be in a better position to fill that role than any other product on the market.


I agree.  However that's why I'm not interested in it.  I broke my ties with cable a long time ago, and I already have like 6 devices I can stream Netflix on already.  All of my other entertainment needs are satisfied by devices not connected to the TV because my entertainment needs aren't anchored to my television anymore, aside from gaming.  Which is what I look for out of their next gaming device.  While it will still have games and do gaming things, their focus is not aligned with what I'm looking for.

Apparently wanting a machine dedicated to gaming (not a PC or entertainment hub or social media experience or whatever) is asking for the impossible.  Well sort of.  Donkey Kong Country Returns comes out for the 3DS today, so I'm happy.
 
2013-05-23 10:30:55 AM
FTA: Having games as just one part of a broad entertainment device with multiple, diverse revenue streams might not just be Microsoft's (and Apple's and Google's) preferred outcome. It might be the only way that high-end game machines survive at all.

The problem is, aren't the likely to get undercut in that market by a broad entertainment device that isn't a high end game machine, and therefore can do all the media stuff, play lots of casual games, and so on - and therefore for the vast majority of people get most of the same benefits, but the device will cost a fraction of an XBoxOne to produce. This might be a SteamBox, or Nintendo variant (WiiU? don't really keep up with what Nintendo do any more), or maybe another non-Console electronics manufacturer might just make a windows or linux based box that can do it all, or maybe Apple will come out with something along these lines, etc.

I just don't see the cost of bundling in high end graphics processing with a media centre is likely to be the "killer app" in this market - it is doubtless coming sooner or later, because a single device sitting under your TV that can do all the internet/games/TV/PVR and everything else all in one with one controller (or one set of controllers) instead of a mishmash of different boxes and controllers and all the confusion and limitations they breed just is such an obvious forward step, but it is seems unlikely high end game graphics capability being a key part of the mix given how much it drives up the cost of the device. Especially as if you assume lots of people will use it mainly as a media centre, you can't assume you can recover some of the cost of the device from selling games as has happened for some of the previous consoles.
 
2013-05-23 10:36:42 AM

xria: PC Gaming is going through a massive renaissance currently in terms of interesting and somewhat unique games are coming out virtually every week


One of the reasons, I feel, behind this is how ubiquitous and able Steam has become. We stuck with Steam early on when there were all manner of connectivity issues trying to install games. Short while later this could get 1/mbs easily, and then started selling Valve games, a few other developers, and now releasing the developer kits and community tools with all manner of sales the market has simply expanded. Every game I buy, outside of Guild Wars 2, has been through Steam, and throwing a game, even mods now, on Steam is absurdly easy.
 
2013-05-23 10:47:46 AM
kroonermanblack:
Gaming on a laptop is retarded. I'm sorry. For the performance, you could build a desktop that beats the laptop, for a few hundred. Or you could sink the same 1k into a desktop and not upgrade it for 5 years and play everything on max.

What decade are you in? What you write was true ten years ago and before. I switched to gaming on my laptop about half a year ago, and it works for me something good, thank you very much. Do to my line of work I HAVE to invest in a powerful laptop. What's so retarded about using it for the occasional gaming as well? Mobility is quite the opposite of retardation.
 
2013-05-23 10:49:41 AM

thunderbird8804: jfivealive: thunderbird8804: jfivealive: thunderbird8804: It's not hard to figure out what the gaming-first crowd wants: a super-powered box that connects to the TV, has a handheld controller and has a huge library of games from the biggest-budget epics to the breakout indie hits. They don't want a PC because they don't want to mess with settings and deal with crashes; they want a standard platform that Just Works. It can do other things, sure, but games are the meat and everything else is somewhere between the gravy and the pepper shaker.

Yeah, this kind of device is just impossible, what kind of magic are these people expecting Microsoft to work?!  I mean, it's not like several companies (including Microsoft) have already done this exact thing before.

/This article is a farking joke, it's like Professor Farnsworth wrote it

I believe the point of the article wasn't that this device is impossible to make, it's impossible to make a profit on it.

Yeah, and that's such a giant lie that I didn't even feel like addressing it.

It is?  I honestly thought that Sony and Microsoft were in the hole when it came to net income on 360 and ps3.  Are they not?

They've both been in the black on their respective consoles for a few years now.


The past few years have been in the black, but overall, no.  You see the years where it became profitable for Microsoft?  Coincides with more streaming (Netflix and Hulu) and when many more digital purchases were made available.  The graphs are right there in the article showing that both Microsoft and Sonys gaming divisions have total losses in the billions of dollars.
 
2013-05-23 10:51:34 AM
It comes down to intent, doesn't it?

I mean, the PS3 was hijacked late in development to incorporate Blu-Ray, so Sony could use the PS3 as a delivery platform for a technology it was heavily invested in. The console was delayed and sold at a loss to get Blu-Ray players into people's homes. That didn't make the PS3 a bad game console... but initially, the focus from Sony was NOT about gaming, it was about delivering a new media to push Sony Movies into homes. Let's also not forget, Blu-Ray, at the time, was an uncracked DRM scheme, as well. There were a few compromises made when the PS3 hit the shelves, and it showed brightly as "me too" screamed from the marketing and efforts to copy other consoles' technology (Sixaxis and Move most notable).

AS the PS3's life cycle progressed, Sony made a lot of noise about expanding it, how it was a computer... basically everything a consumer needed. That message got lost when the media guys got replaced as the more traditional hardware guys returned to power there (which doesn't mean there still are morans making bad decisions there, still).

For Microsoft, the focus has been different and a longer haul....

The original Xbox was intended to crack a new market, and did that admirably - SEGA's Dreamcast proved that Microsoft could enter the gamer's world, a pathway paved with embedded Windows technology. Remember, Microsoft has been working to get Windows into your homes beyond computers since the early 90s... Windows CE had a tremendous push in the late 90s, competing for space in the PDA market, as well as automotive PC space. Remember WebTV? Windows 95 brought about the push into gaming space with the Games SDK, which became DirectX (and subsequently, the foundation for almost every Windows and every Xbox game since). Windows XP Media Center edition was a concerted push to get PCs in your living room.

Clearly, Microsoft evolved the Xbox 360 to deliver more - music, video... partly influenced by the success of XBMC (I know many in that division were very familiar with the "homebrew scene"). Xbox gave Microsoft a foot in the door to expand their world into living rooms once and for all. This new console is merely more of that evolution, so you can hardly fault them for being excited about it...

...or can you?

You can because it misses the point, once more. Consumers buy a game console to play games. Certainly this will be true of the Xbox One, but there is a perception, a valid one, that Microsoft's FOCUS is not on games. Like Sony with the PS3 launch, MS execs seem to be only concerned that there is enough bait on the hook that gamers will bite hard enough to set it. They (mistakenly) believe that, once set, that hook will keep the Xbox One in the forefront, driving sales of Windows Phones and Tablets, as well.

The problem for that belief is that people will only become pissed when their iPhones, Android tablets and iPads do not work in the Xbox One ecosystem. Reality says that's not terrible, since interacting with secondary displays - which sounds cool - is more distracting and impractical in real life; but that won't stop people from being upset, and it won't drive new Windows Phone or tablet sales.

As for the entertainment side of things.... I have a cable box. I have a Blu-Ray player. If the "cable box" functionality of the Xbox One is merely some sort of HDMI-in and IR Blaster set up, it is nothing but total fail... if it's integrated, it better handle 4 stations at once, and have more capacity than my current DVR. Anything less will be fail. I'm sure the Blu-Ray player will function well enough, but as I said, I've owned one of those for 3 years now, It is hardly a compelling reason to get an Xbox One.

Lastly, they crowed on how you could do multiple things at once. Watching a movie when a Skype call comes in? WTF? I pause my movie to take calls. There are a TON of sociological implications with this whole set up... it still won't handle my land line or cell line, and what about the others in the room watching the movie? The demonstration was, surely, not a representation how most people would prefer to interact with Skype calls while watching movies or playing games. Browsing while watching sports is somewhat useful, but not that compelling (Qualifier here, I'm not addicted to Fantasy games), and probably disruptive to others who are also watchign the game... and that brings me to the main point here, Microsoft has tailored this TV experience to ONE PERSON. It sucks if you don't have control over the Xbox One while a show is playing, because suddenly, whoever has the controller, can suddenly start snapping, squeezing, spoiling, or sharting the display and all the rest can do is helplessly suffer along, because, fark them.

Microsoft is probably moving too fast, and that is where the disgruntled gamers are coming from here. They don't want the "Microsoft everywhere" agenda driving the way they game or enjoy their living rooms.
 
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