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2013-05-23 12:28:10 PM  

rugman11: Gonz: This is even better- it's the head of the Royal and Ancient: "The danger signal was evident after American professionals began using long putters and that style of putting. When it first started, only a few elderly crackpots who had got the jitters used the method. It is absurd. You might as well lie on the green and use the end of the putter like a billiard cue to pot the ball."

In other words, it had nothing to do with "fairness" or "unfair advantages" and everything to do with some uppity Brits getting pissed that the Americans were "ruining" their game.  Makes sense.


Well, the USGA was understandably gun shy after the Ping debacle.

The new heads there seem far more willing to address potential issues than their predecessors, and this was a good place to start.

I hope they do something about rangefinders next. Nothing like seeing some moron standing on top of the 100 yard marker trying to get a yardage.
 
2013-05-23 12:29:57 PM  

JohnnyCanuck: Wow...you people have no humor at all. Do you really think I assume you're wearing a monocle and drinking Dom Perignon? Or that the hat rule was meant to be serious?!? It was meant to paint you as a golf traditionalist, who sees no problem as long as they can benefit from whatever is proposed. You're one in a million, dude.

That's right...there is at least 7000 other people just like you. You're not that special....get over yourself.


There doesn't seem to be any point in arguing with you, because you can hold the entire argument on your own, using your opinion and whatever it is you think is the motivation for the opposing view.

If your philosophy is that a golfer should swing a club freely with his hands, you support the anchoring ban.  As it happens, that is the basis for my opinion, and there is really no need to go beyond that, because it's a philosophical difference of opinion and there isn't much left to discuss at that point.

With that, I'll leave you to your own devices.  Feel free to paint me with whichever broad brush you choose from here on out.  Have a good one.
 
2013-05-23 12:34:14 PM  

Khellendros: "Get in the hole"


That's what she said!
 
2013-05-23 12:37:01 PM  

MichiganFTL: MFAWG: Gonz: MichiganFTL: Still legal.

The club must not be substantially different from the traditional and customary form and make. The club must be composed of a shaft and a head and it may also have material added to the shaft to enable the player to obtain a firm hold. All parts of the club must be fixed so that the club is one unit, and it must have no external attachments.

So, no. Not legal.

This rule hasn't applied to putters for a very, very long time. That's why putter grips are flat on one side.

Also

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Yours may be broken.


I try to think the best of people. So from now on every time you say something extratarded I will assume it is sarcasm and signify that by repying "HAHA thats funny"
 
2013-05-23 12:38:55 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: There doesn't seem to be any point in arguing with you


We weren't "arguing" until this....

Yanks_RSJ: Don't hurt yourself.


You know that mirror you use to admire your wonderful golf stroke...I think you should go take a long hard look into it.
If you're ever in my neck of the woods I will treat you to a round of golf on some of the best courses you have never seen. I'll kick your ass there to.....with my 33" putter no less. You can anchor if you want...seeing as how it's such a big advantage.
 
2013-05-23 12:45:37 PM  

JohnnyCanuck: Yanks_RSJ: There doesn't seem to be any point in arguing with you

We weren't "arguing" until this....
Yanks_RSJ: Don't hurt yourself.

You know that mirror you use to admire your wonderful golf stroke...I think you should go take a long hard look into it.
If you're ever in my neck of the woods I will treat you to a round of golf on some of the best courses you have never seen. I'll kick your ass there to.....with my 33" putter no less. You can anchor if you want...seeing as how it's such a big advantage.


Can I bring my adjustable driver? That's REAL cheating right there.

33 inches? Are you a midget, wizard, or both?
 
2013-05-23 12:54:19 PM  

MFAWG: Can I bring my adjustable driver? That's REAL cheating right there.


I was surprised when the adjustable came out and governing bodies had no problems. That's a big part of the problem I have with this new rule.


33 inches? Are you a midget, wizard, or both?

Wizard.
33" is a pretty standard size actually.
 
2013-05-23 12:58:35 PM  

JohnnyCanuck: Khellendros: You get challenged

Where was the challenge?

Was it this....
MugzyBrown: The poor comparison committee please come to order!

Or this...
Yanks_RSJ: Don't hurt yourself.

Or this...
Yanks_RSJ: Let the word go forth, anyone who supports the anchoring ban is a bigot.

Looks to me like a bunch of losers, whining.


I'm not the one who compared a type of golf club to a hat.
 
2013-05-23 01:05:56 PM  

MugzyBrown: I'm not the one who compared a type of golf club to a hat.


The type of club is not the issue here. You can still use the long putter....just not anchor it. Or are you just grasping at straws now?
The point was to sound ludicrous. Just like this rule.
Like the farker who mentioned the adjustable driver...it's like adding 3-4 more clubs to your bag...but that's cool right? As long as it looks "normal" and the important people don't mind that's all that matters.
 
2013-05-23 01:11:27 PM  

JohnnyCanuck: The point was to sound ludicrous


Well done

JohnnyCanuck: Like the farker who mentioned the adjustable driver...it's like adding 3-4 more clubs to your bag...but that's cool right?


Actually not quite, because you're not allowed to adjust it during a round, so it's like adding 1 club to the bag, like every other club.


Have any more comparisons you want to throw out there?  You've already been wrong on:

JohnnyCanuck: You can use a ball that can be blasted a mile


JohnnyCanuck: with equipment made to blast a ball a mile


JohnnyCanuck: it's like adding 3-4 more clubs to your bag


JohnnyCanuck: . It's unfair for someone to wear a hat

 
2013-05-23 01:24:53 PM  

MugzyBrown: JohnnyCanuck: The point was to sound ludicrous

Well done

JohnnyCanuck: Like the farker who mentioned the adjustable driver...it's like adding 3-4 more clubs to your bag...but that's cool right?

Actually not quite, because you're not allowed to adjust it during a round, so it's like adding 1 club to the bag, like every other club.


Have any more comparisons you want to throw out there?  You've already been wrong on:

JohnnyCanuck: You can use a ball that can be blasted a mile

JohnnyCanuck: with equipment made to blast a ball a mile

JohnnyCanuck: it's like adding 3-4 more clubs to your bag

JohnnyCanuck: . It's unfair for someone to wear a hat


I absolutely, 100 pct GUARANTEE that the adjustable driver is being abused at the club level, and probably above that.
 
2013-05-23 01:36:17 PM  
Since I ALWAYS follow every rule change when I go out golfing on Saturday, I will be using this as the reason I lost a few strokes.

Damn you!!!
 
2013-05-23 01:39:27 PM  

MugzyBrown: JohnnyCanuck: The point was to sound ludicrous

Well done

JohnnyCanuck: Like the farker who mentioned the adjustable driver...it's like adding 3-4 more clubs to your bag...but that's cool right?

Actually not quite, because you're not allowed to adjust it during a round, so it's like adding 1 club to the bag, like every other club.


Have any more comparisons you want to throw out there?  You've already been wrong on:

JohnnyCanuck: You can use a ball that can be blasted a mile

JohnnyCanuck: with equipment made to blast a ball a mile

JohnnyCanuck: it's like adding 3-4 more clubs to your bag

JohnnyCanuck: . It's unfair for someone to wear a hat


Wow...I suppose you also assume I meant a literal mile. You've never been accused of being too bright have you?

So why is it that you didn't start crying till someone told you to? Bernhard Langer has been doing this for years but I bet you didn't whine about that. You can't argue that some older courses have become unplayable for some because they're too easy now. Unless there's a hurricane the British open is a joke most years because the average player is knocking it 300+ yards....with a fairway wood. I'm interested to know how some of you felt about the groove ruling a few years back. That is if you can converse about it without stamping your feet.
 
rka
2013-05-23 01:42:39 PM  

JohnnyCanuck: The point was to sound ludicrous.


You've succeeded. Bravo.
 
2013-05-23 01:45:24 PM  

mediablitz: Since I ALWAYS follow every rule change when I go out golfing on Saturday, I will be using this as the reason I lost a few strokes.

Damn you!!!


There's that too. I suspect that I will be playing casual rounds with the broomstick well past 2016.

The groove ruling didn't bother me either, FWIW.
 
2013-05-23 01:45:35 PM  

rka: JohnnyCanuck: The point was to sound ludicrous.

You've succeeded. Bravo.


So nothing to add, I see. Just popping in to be someone's lapdog as usual. Good for you...you're a good boy aren't you!!!
 
2013-05-23 02:13:50 PM  
2016 ?
3 yrs to implement
 
2013-05-23 02:20:51 PM  

doofusss: 2016 ?
3 yrs to implement


This is common in golf.  Anything that could require a player to retrain a significant part of their game is given lots of lead time to adjust.
 
2013-05-23 02:48:32 PM  

Khellendros: doofusss: 2016 ?
3 yrs to implement

This is common in golf.  Anything that could require a player to retrain a significant part of their game is given lots of lead time to adjust.


Wedges were 8 or 10 for club players, so yeah.
 
2013-05-23 03:14:31 PM  
Since no one else is willing to state the obvious...

The reason there is no (or very lax) rules governing equipment is because $$$. The manufacturers know that by upping the equipment on an annual basis the amateur golf nuts will continue to buy it to get a "bit" better. More money for the manufacturers mean more money for golf in general. Golf has always prided itself on being a sport in which the average Joe can play along with the pros using a handicap system. Problem with that is by giving Joe an extra 5 yards means giving the Pro an extra 20. With putting being more of a "feel" skill, Joe was getting pretty good at it too. Those that switched to anchoring a long putter REALLY liked the results. I'd be interested to see the past few years of sales for putters compared to the rest of the bag. At the risk of throwing on the tinfoil hat, this ban will probably result in an upswing in putter sales. They want Joe to have 10 putters in the basement that "don't work". The same guy who has the R11 in his basement because he had to have the R1 to put the ball 5 yards deeper into the woods.

Rigid rules on equipment creates a ceiling that would be reached easily. Then what? I buy a set a sticks that are top-notch and I use 'em for a life time. No need to buy the latest & greatest because it's just a different color and offer me no real advantage. You can fark with the "feel" clubs because people tend to hold on to their putters and wedges longer, anyway. Which is why the groove rule was passed without the manufacturers complaining. "No problem...we'll just tell them that they need this ball". And you will listen...'cause that's what you do.

So enough with the "purity of the game BS". Golf's purity has been ass-farked by the industry forever. Golf has to set the rules and have the manufacturers comply....not the other way around.

THAT is the problem I have with these rules changes being made under the guise of protecting the game's integrity.
 
2013-05-23 06:00:41 PM  
Thing is: this is not an equipment ban. You can still use a 50 inch putter, you just can't hold it against your sternum or under your chin.

Didn't stop a couple of manufacturers from being pretty pissy in their press releases.
 
2013-05-23 07:22:31 PM  

MichiganFTL: [cdn.stripersonline.com image 260x400]

Still legal.


So is getting head from Amelia Earhart...

...almost.
 
2013-05-23 08:09:02 PM  

MFAWG: I hope they do something about rangefinders next. Nothing like seeing some moron standing on top of the 100 yard marker trying to get a yardage.


Say what?  Have you ever used one or a smartphone GPS app and then compared that to the stake or 150yrd shrub or whatever?  Depending on the pin placement the difference can be 20 yards or more.  Knowing the distance is only one aspect.  Executing is the real challenge.  After you're done banning rangefinders and/or smartphones and putting strokes that offend your sensibilities you can start lobbying to get rid of graphite shafts or those newfangled abominations, wooden tees.
 
2013-05-23 08:49:20 PM  

relaxitsjustme: MFAWG: I hope they do something about rangefinders next. Nothing like seeing some moron standing on top of the 100 yard marker trying to get a yardage.

Say what?  Have you ever used one or a smartphone GPS app and then compared that to the stake or 150yrd shrub or whatever?  Depending on the pin placement the difference can be 20 yards or more.  Knowing the distance is only one aspect.  Executing is the real challenge.  After you're done banning rangefinders and/or smartphones and putting strokes that offend your sensibilities you can start lobbying to get rid of graphite shafts or those newfangled abominations, wooden tees.


I'm never more than 10 yards off what the rangefinder says, and I'm almost always within the margin of error of GPS. At my home course I'm rarely more than 2 or 3 yards off.

You know why? Because knowing your yardage is a key skill component of the game, and one that isn't that difficult to learn, especially on a modern, well marked course.

So put that shiat away, you're probably wasting everyones time with it.
 
2013-05-23 09:17:01 PM  

MFAWG: relaxitsjustme: MFAWG: I hope they do something about rangefinders next. Nothing like seeing some moron standing on top of the 100 yard marker trying to get a yardage.

Say what?  Have you ever used one or a smartphone GPS app and then compared that to the stake or 150yrd shrub or whatever?  Depending on the pin placement the difference can be 20 yards or more.  Knowing the distance is only one aspect.  Executing is the real challenge.  After you're done banning rangefinders and/or smartphones and putting strokes that offend your sensibilities you can start lobbying to get rid of graphite shafts or those newfangled abominations, wooden tees.

I'm never more than 10 yards off what the rangefinder says, and I'm almost always within the margin of error of GPS. At my home course I'm rarely more than 2 or 3 yards off.

You know why? Because knowing your yardage is a key skill component of the game, and one that isn't that difficult to learn, especially on a modern, well marked course.

So put that shiat away, you're probably wasting everyones time with it.


Explain how Joe Duffer getting yardage from a rangefinder/GPS is any different than a pro asking his caddy for the yardage and then having his caddy check a yardage book.  I could buy a yardage book in the proshop and do the same thing or I can get the EXACT yardage with my rangefinder in less than 10 seconds.  It takes longer than that to look at the 150 yard dogwood tree or sprinkler cover, try and figure out how far in front or behind that you are and then look at the green trying to determine if the pin is front, middle or back.  I'm not wasting any time by using it.
 
2013-05-23 09:25:51 PM  

relaxitsjustme: MFAWG: relaxitsjustme: MFAWG: I hope they do something about rangefinders next. Nothing like seeing some moron standing on top of the 100 yard marker trying to get a yardage.

Say what?  Have you ever used one or a smartphone GPS app and then compared that to the stake or 150yrd shrub or whatever?  Depending on the pin placement the difference can be 20 yards or more.  Knowing the distance is only one aspect.  Executing is the real challenge.  After you're done banning rangefinders and/or smartphones and putting strokes that offend your sensibilities you can start lobbying to get rid of graphite shafts or those newfangled abominations, wooden tees.

I'm never more than 10 yards off what the rangefinder says, and I'm almost always within the margin of error of GPS. At my home course I'm rarely more than 2 or 3 yards off.

You know why? Because knowing your yardage is a key skill component of the game, and one that isn't that difficult to learn, especially on a modern, well marked course.

So put that shiat away, you're probably wasting everyones time with it.

Explain how Joe Duffer getting yardage from a rangefinder/GPS is any different than a pro asking his caddy for the yardage and then having his caddy check a yardage book.  I could buy a yardage book in the proshop and do the same thing or I can get the EXACT yardage with my rangefinder in less than 10 seconds.  It takes longer than that to look at the 150 yard dogwood tree or sprinkler cover, try and figure out how far in front or behind that you are and then look at the green trying to determine if the pin is front, middle or back.  I'm not wasting any time by using it.


Oh, you're THAT guy.

Of course you play every round in under 4 hours, and always within 5 strokes of your handicap. That guy.

Most regular Joe Duffers I actually see using a range finder take more than 10 seconds to figure the difference between 145 and 147, and then can't execute anyway. So there's that.
 
2013-05-23 11:14:16 PM  

MFAWG: Most regular Joe Duffers I actually see using a range finder take more than 10 seconds to figure the difference between 145 and 147, and then can't execute anyway shank it off the hosel. So there's that.


FTFY
 
2013-05-23 11:17:36 PM  

NASAM: TheShavingofOccam123: Good.

. And toss fans who shout "GET IN THE HOLE!!1!" from the tees.

A farking Men

Gawd those people are idiots.


Wow, I hate those idiots.  I used to go to the Buick Open back when that was a thing and honestly, the jackasses who would yell that on EVERY shot really annoyed me.

/Thanks, Obama, for killing that tournament.
 
2013-05-24 05:38:08 AM  
I have tried the belly and long putters and quite frankly I can't use either. I'm no good with them and don't see any advantage to using them. It's a skill, like putting with a traditional putter. That said, I am in favour of how the stroke is now being defined. I believe the club should be swung freely. However, this does impact some who play the game recreationally and use the putter for legitimate reasons, like back issues. I think those players by and large will still be able to play using the long putter without anchoring it. I might be wrong about that, but they have lots of time to experiment, as the ban won't go through until 2016, and with legal challenges that are inevitably going to come, maybe longer.

In my opinion, bifurcation needs to happen here. Most other professional sports play by a different set of rules at the professional level, so why not golf? Baseball comes to mind with the aluminum bats, basketball with the location of the 3 point arc, and so forth. on the Tour level, these guys are playing for a living. Some of them (not a lot, but a few) will be negatively impacted by this ban. To what degree, I don't know. Players like Tim Clarke and Bernhard Langer are going to suffer. Players like Keegan Bradley and Webb Simpson, probably not so. They use them for different reasons, whether it's preference, to address physiological issues, or because that's all they've ever used. But at the level they're at, with money and career at stake, I wouldn't be one bit surprised to see the PGA Tour say "Nope. We're not following suit". Then the really interesting part comes when the US Open, the British Open (or just the Open if you will) and other USGA/R&A sanctioned events come around. Those players will have no choice but to go traditional, or not play.

Definitely more to come from the players' and PGA Tours' side of things. This is a long way from over.
 
2013-05-24 02:57:31 PM  

MFAWG: relaxitsjustme: MFAWG: relaxitsjustme: MFAWG: I hope they do something about rangefinders next. Nothing like seeing some moron standing on top of the 100 yard marker trying to get a yardage.

Say what?  Have you ever used one or a smartphone GPS app and then compared that to the stake or 150yrd shrub or whatever?  Depending on the pin placement the difference can be 20 yards or more.  Knowing the distance is only one aspect.  Executing is the real challenge.  After you're done banning rangefinders and/or smartphones and putting strokes that offend your sensibilities you can start lobbying to get rid of graphite shafts or those newfangled abominations, wooden tees.

I'm never more than 10 yards off what the rangefinder says, and I'm almost always within the margin of error of GPS. At my home course I'm rarely more than 2 or 3 yards off.

You know why? Because knowing your yardage is a key skill component of the game, and one that isn't that difficult to learn, especially on a modern, well marked course.

So put that shiat away, you're probably wasting everyones time with it.

Explain how Joe Duffer getting yardage from a rangefinder/GPS is any different than a pro asking his caddy for the yardage and then having his caddy check a yardage book.  I could buy a yardage book in the proshop and do the same thing or I can get the EXACT yardage with my rangefinder in less than 10 seconds.  It takes longer than that to look at the 150 yard dogwood tree or sprinkler cover, try and figure out how far in front or behind that you are and then look at the green trying to determine if the pin is front, middle or back.  I'm not wasting any time by using it.

Oh, you're THAT guy.

Of course you play every round in under 4 hours, and always within 5 strokes of your handicap. That guy.

Most regular Joe Duffers I actually see using a range finder take more than 10 seconds to figure the difference between 145 and 147, and then can't execute anyway. So there's that.


Fark off.  I play my rounds as fast or as slow as the group ahead of me.  And I enjoy either pace equally.  But you're THAT guy getting peod if somebody in the group ahead of you has the audacity to mishiat a ball now and again.
 
2013-05-24 02:59:31 PM  

The Smails Kid: MFAWG: Most regular Joe Duffers I actually see using a range finder take more than 10 seconds to figure the difference between 145 and 147, and then can't execute anyway shank it off the hosel. So there's that.

FTFY


I'll bet you a hundred bucks you slice it into the woods.
 
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