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2013-05-23 10:15:43 AM  
Good. Chest and belly putters gave players an unfair advantage. Also they looked stupid.
 
2013-05-23 10:18:25 AM  
Matt Kuchar is going to be a busy putting teacher over the next couple years.
 
2013-05-23 10:19:24 AM  

WTF Indeed: Good. Chest and belly putters gave players an unfair advantage. Also they looked stupid.


I wouldn't say it was an unfair advantage since everbody could use it if they wanted.

I think them looking stupid was reason enough to ban them.
 
2013-05-23 10:24:39 AM  

MugzyBrown: WTF Indeed: Good. Chest and belly putters gave players an unfair advantage. Also they looked stupid.

I wouldn't say it was an unfair advantage since everbody could use it if they wanted.

I think them looking stupid was reason enough to ban them.


Agreed. The whole practice had the appearance of somebody finding a loophole in the rules to cheat through. And it looked really stupid.
 
2013-05-23 10:32:26 AM  

WTF Indeed: Good. Chest and belly putters gave players an unfair advantage. Also they looked stupid.


THIS
 
2013-05-23 10:36:03 AM  
This rule change is ridiculous. Makes no sense. You can use a ball that can be blasted a mile with equipment made to blast a ball a mile. But this does not fly in the face of "tradition"? Anchoring stats show no advantage at all. All this is doing is creating rift among the different organizations of golf. At the British...no anchoring....at the U.S., feel free.

The argument is making more of a mockery of the game than the "problem" itself.

The "problem" is that golf is still governed by a bunch of old complainers who look for things that can make them feel important and relevant.
 
2013-05-23 10:41:50 AM  

WTF Indeed: Good. Chest and belly putters gave players an unfair advantage. Also they looked stupid.


What's 'unfair' about it? Please be as specific as possible.

I won't argue 'looks stupid', but I will point out you have to learn to play with a full on 50 incher, which is slightly different than a belly putter.
 
2013-05-23 10:43:46 AM  
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Still legal.
 
2013-05-23 10:47:02 AM  
Good.

Next, stop marking golf balls with helper marks. And clean the farking language up. And toss fans who shout "GET IN THE HOLE!!1!" from the tees. Either that or give them air-horns so they can really ruin things for everybody.

When are the women golfers going to start moaning and screaming after every stroke, like women do in tennis? I wonder if fans shout "IT'S IN THE HOLE!!1!" at women's professional golf tourneys.
 
2013-05-23 10:47:40 AM  

MFAWG: What's 'unfair' about it? Please be as specific as possible.


Putting is a pendulum motion.  With traditional puttters the only control a player has is their wrists, allowing for the possibility of more lateral and horizontal movement during the swing. With chest or belly putter, you have an anchor to one end that provides considerably more stability. It's like training wheels on a bike.
 
2013-05-23 10:56:28 AM  

TheShavingofOccam123: Good.

. And toss fans who shout "GET IN THE HOLE!!1!" from the tees.


A farking Men

Gawd those people are idiots.
 
2013-05-23 10:57:18 AM  

JohnnyCanuck: This rule change is ridiculous. Makes no sense. You can use a ball that can be blasted a mile with equipment made to blast a ball a mile. But this does not fly in the face of "tradition"? Anchoring stats show no advantage at all.


I don't use anchored putters myself (hell, I use the same putter I bought over 20 years ago and I still do well with it) but I'm still struggling to understand the justification for banning anchored putters, but not banning things that really do give the golfer an advantage.  I mean, club manufacturers are shouting all the time that their clubs give you a 30-yard driving advantage or lessen your slice--and they do.  Why weren't those clubs ever considered "unfair advantages"?
 
2013-05-23 11:00:31 AM  

WTF Indeed: MFAWG: What's 'unfair' about it? Please be as specific as possible.

Putting is a pendulum motion.  With traditional puttters the only control a player has is their wrists, allowing for the possibility of more lateral and horizontal movement during the swing. With chest or belly putter, you have an anchor to one end that provides considerably more stability. It's like training wheels on a bike.


And even if you don't consider it "unfair", it still, as they and you note, violates the spirit of the golf swing.  It's like wearing a harness to give you the perfect golf swing every time.  This ain't bowling and you aren't wearing a brace to make sure your stroke is perfect.

I think it's a good move for golf, even if statistics don't lean any direction.
 
2013-05-23 11:00:42 AM  

The Third Man: I mean, club manufacturers are shouting all the time that their clubs give you a 30-yard driving advantage or lessen your slice--and they do. Why weren't those clubs ever considered "unfair advantages"?


Well some of those clubs are banned.  I know the USGA/PGA has banned drivers due to a 'spring effect' of the head of the club.
 
2013-05-23 11:01:18 AM  

JohnnyCanuck: All this is doing is creating rift among the different organizations of golf. At the British...no anchoring....at the U.S., feel free.


Just out of curiosity, who do you think runs the US Open? Because this Rule was a joint announcement by the R&A and the USGA.

No sidesaddle putting, no anchoring. Swing the club. This was a long overdue move.
 
2013-05-23 11:03:01 AM  
http://www.usga.org/equipment/conformance/non_conforming_driver/Unite d -States-Golf-Association/

There's also a long list of non-conforming golf balls.

So they're not just picking on these stupid putters.
 
2013-05-23 11:04:32 AM  

MichiganFTL: Still legal.


The club must not be substantially different from the traditional and customary form and make. The club must be composed of a shaft and a head and it may also have material added to the shaft to enable the player to obtain a firm hold. All parts of the club must be fixed so that the club is one unit, and it must have no external attachments.

So, no. Not legal.
 
2013-05-23 11:06:24 AM  
"Get in the hole" has become the "Freebird" of golf.  They really need to self-enforce and get rid of it.  I don't care if it's on the tee, or a 15 foot putt, it needs to go.  It's idiotic and mocking.
 
2013-05-23 11:08:28 AM  

WTF Indeed: MFAWG: What's 'unfair' about it? Please be as specific as possible.

Putting is a pendulum motion.  With traditional puttters the only control a player has is their wrists, allowing for the possibility of more lateral and horizontal movement during the swing. With chest or belly putter, you have an anchor to one end that provides considerably more stability. It's like training wheels on a bike.


HSo what's unfair? Anybody with a couple of bucks can buy one and learn to use it.

I'll buy a 'not a real golf stroke' argument, but fairness isn't in the equation.

Full disclosure: I have a 50 inch Ping that makes an appearance in the bag occasionally. I have no problem with the rule, but I will still use it for practice. It forces me to set up square, and you have to keep the upper body very still to use it well. It also took me several hours to learn to use it at all.
 
2013-05-23 11:10:46 AM  
You farkers are taking this WAY too seriously.

I came to applaud the headline. Well done, subby.
 
2013-05-23 11:11:16 AM  

Gonz: MichiganFTL: Still legal.

The club must not be substantially different from the traditional and customary form and make. The club must be composed of a shaft and a head and it may also have material added to the shaft to enable the player to obtain a firm hold. All parts of the club must be fixed so that the club is one unit, and it must have no external attachments.

So, no. Not legal.


This rule hasn't applied to putters for a very, very long time. That's why putter grips are flat on one side.
 
2013-05-23 11:14:12 AM  

MFAWG: Gonz: MichiganFTL: Still legal.

The club must not be substantially different from the traditional and customary form and make. The club must be composed of a shaft and a head and it may also have material added to the shaft to enable the player to obtain a firm hold. All parts of the club must be fixed so that the club is one unit, and it must have no external attachments.

So, no. Not legal.

This rule hasn't applied to putters for a very, very long time. That's why putter grips are flat on one side.


Also

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2013-05-23 11:15:24 AM  

MFAWG: HSo what's unfair? Anybody with a couple of bucks can buy one and learn to use it.

I'll buy a 'not a real golf stroke' argument, but fairness isn't in the equation.


It's unfair in the same way steroids in baseball were unfair. Everyone had equal opportunity to use them and those that choice to use the got an unfair advantage over those that didn't.  It's not a equal comparison since steroids are a controlled substance and this is just a long putter, but the "unfairness" comparison is still apt.
 
2013-05-23 11:16:41 AM  

Gonz: JohnnyCanuck: All this is doing is creating rift among the different organizations of golf. At the British...no anchoring....at the U.S., feel free.

Just out of curiosity, who do you think runs the US Open? Because this Rule was a joint announcement by the R&A and the USGA.

No sidesaddle putting, no anchoring. Swing the club. This was a long overdue move.


My apologies. I was typing in haste. I believe the Players, or any event run by PGA America will be under a different set of rules. No need for semantics. The point is there are multiple governing bodies for golf. I don't use a long putter either. Same putter since late 90s. I just don't think it makes sense to ban something because a "traditionalist" doesn't like how it looks when equipment has been making golf courses obsolete for years. It's at the point where the pros need 8000 yard courses...but the biggest problem is on the green?!? Makes no sense. If it is such an advantage why is it not more common? To me it seems that many pros just don't like how it looks and therefore don't want to do it. So if "they" don't want to...no one can. Not to mention stats show it has no advantage...so I don't see how it can be deemed unfair.
 
2013-05-23 11:17:54 AM  

MFAWG: This rule hasn't applied to putters for a very, very long time. That's why putter grips are flat on one side.


Wrong rule. This is why putter grips are allowed to be flat on one side:

(i) For clubs other than putters the grip must be circular in cross-section, except that a continuous, straight, slightly raised rib may be incorporated along the full length of the grip, and a slightly indented spiral is permitted on a wrapped grip or a replica of one.
(ii) A putter grip may have a non-circular cross-section, provided the cross-section has no concavity, is symmetrical and remains generally similar throughout the length of the grip.


The rule I originally cited applies to every club in the bag.
 
2013-05-23 11:18:04 AM  
I'd've been fine with them simply requiring that the club only come into contact with the hands (and forearms, I guess, since apparently that's a thing). The belly putters, to me, feel like a complete circumvention of actually having to putt, whereas the long putter (à-la-Adam Scott) at least appears to require just as much skill and technique.

However, I do like the infographic, since it serves its purpose quite well (linked, as it's way too huge for Fark).
 
2013-05-23 11:18:47 AM  

WTF Indeed: MFAWG: HSo what's unfair? Anybody with a couple of bucks can buy one and learn to use it.

I'll buy a 'not a real golf stroke' argument, but fairness isn't in the equation.

It's unfair in the same way steroids in baseball were unfair. Everyone had equal opportunity to use them and those that choice to use the got an unfair advantage over those that didn't.  It's not a equal comparison since steroids are a controlled substance and this is just a long putter, but the "unfairness" comparison is still apt.


I don't buy that comparison for one second.
This is just rule makers grasping at keeping their sport "pure".
 
2013-05-23 11:19:12 AM  

The Third Man: Why weren't those clubs ever considered "unfair advantages"?


Because you still have to swing the club, and those clubs don't give you advantages at a professional level because they're designed to compensate for bad mechanics.
 
2013-05-23 11:25:01 AM  

JohnnyCanuck: Anchoring stats show no advantage at all.


Okay, so it should be no problem for those using anchored putters to return to "standard" putters.  Clearly their putting won't suffer.
 
2013-05-23 11:26:06 AM  

Gonz: MFAWG: This rule hasn't applied to putters for a very, very long time. That's why putter grips are flat on one side.

Wrong rule. This is why putter grips are allowed to be flat on one side:

(i) For clubs other than putters the grip must be circular in cross-section, except that a continuous, straight, slightly raised rib may be incorporated along the full length of the grip, and a slightly indented spiral is permitted on a wrapped grip or a replica of one.
(ii) A putter grip may have a non-circular cross-section, provided the cross-section has no concavity, is symmetrical and remains generally similar throughout the length of the grip.

The rule I originally cited applies to every club in the bag.


Nothing screams tradition like a toaster on a stick driver, to say nothing of putter heads that look like Star Trek die casts, right?

Once again the august ruling bodies waited until the cart was out of the barn, hitched to the horse, and almost all the way to town.
 
2013-05-23 11:33:40 AM  

Khellendros: "Get in the hole" has become the "Freebird" of golf.  They really need to self-enforce and get rid of it.  I don't care if it's on the tee, or a 15 foot putt, it needs to go.  It's idiotic and mocking.


Damn you people. This is golf, not a rock concert!
 
2013-05-23 11:36:41 AM  
To those of you comparing this to drivers or balls that add 30 yards. This isn't a fair comparison as you still have to hit the ball straight to begin with. If you don't, that extra 30 yards is just further out of bounds.

A fair example would a gyroscope or something inside a club head that ensures the club face doesn't move/twist as much during the swing causing an increased likelihood you hit the ball straight.
An anchored putter works differently, but would provide the same benefit, it removes the additional movement of a traditional 'swing' making it more likely you'll hit the ball straight.
 
2013-05-23 11:37:38 AM  

Yanks_RSJ: JohnnyCanuck: Anchoring stats show no advantage at all.

Okay, so it should be no problem for those using anchored putters to return to "standard" putters.  Clearly their putting won't suffer.


Why should they have to? Langer has been putting like this for as long as I can remember.

How about this...no more wearing hats. The sun and rain are natural and should be considered integral parts of the game. It's unfair for someone to wear a hat because another more recognizable player has nice hair and want to show it off on TV. He doesn't want to wear a hat so no one should be able to. It's unfair to him.
 
2013-05-23 11:41:02 AM  

JohnnyCanuck: How about this...no more wearing hats. The sun and rain are natural and should be considered integral parts of the game. It's unfair for someone to wear a hat because another more recognizable player has nice hair and want to show it off on TV. He doesn't want to wear a hat so no one should be able to. It's unfair to him.


The poor comparison committee please come to order!
 
2013-05-23 11:41:15 AM  

JohnnyCanuck: How about this...no more wearing hats. The sun and rain are natural and should be considered integral parts of the game. It's unfair for someone to wear a hat because another more recognizable player has nice hair and want to show it off on TV. He doesn't want to wear a hat so no one should be able to. It's unfair to him.


Don't hurt yourself.
 
2013-05-23 11:44:31 AM  

Khellendros: "Get in the hole" has become the "Freebird" of golf.  They really need to self-enforce and get rid of it.  I don't care if it's on the tee, or a 15 foot putt, it needs to go.  It's idiotic and mocking.


Go to a PGA event on a Saturday. That way, you'll know that everyone you're watching is going to be cashing some sort of paycheck. (That's karmically beneficial.) Drink a few beers.

Go to a tee box on a par 5. Have another beer, and see what happens. It's not something you want to do every time, but once is hilarious and satisfying.
 
2013-05-23 11:48:58 AM  

Khellendros: "Get in the hole" has become the "Freebird" of golf.


It seems like the thing over the last year has been yelling stuff like MASHED POTATOES instead of GITH.  Before GITH it was YOU DA MAN.  It's been going on for 20 years or so now.
 
2013-05-23 11:52:43 AM  

JohnnyCanuck: Yanks_RSJ: JohnnyCanuck: Anchoring stats show no advantage at all.

Okay, so it should be no problem for those using anchored putters to return to "standard" putters.  Clearly their putting won't suffer.

Why should they have to? Langer has been putting like this for as long as I can remember.

How about this...no more wearing hats. The sun and rain are natural and should be considered integral parts of the game. It's unfair for someone to wear a hat because another more recognizable player has nice hair and want to show it off on TV. He doesn't want to wear a hat so no one should be able to. It's unfair to him.


Then why can't people anchor the putter to their shoe, and "kick" the ball?  Or to their knee and swing like rockette?  Or to their hip and do a little shimmy for par?  The point of golf is a free swing with all the degrees of freedom your body can cause.  Eliminating new ways people come up with to skirt the rules to create a preference or advantage should get rooted out, particularly in a sport with as simple of a concept as golf.  Frankly, I'm surprised they're not more restrictive on club design and materials.
 
2013-05-23 11:54:01 AM  
Looks like we have ourselves some self-important whiners looking for a reason to whine again.

Try not to drop your monocle in your crystal glass of Dom Perignon, douchebags.

Let me guess...we should bring back the ban on blacks, jews & females too, right?
 
2013-05-23 11:59:16 AM  

JohnnyCanuck: Looks like we have ourselves some self-important whiners looking for a reason to whine again.

Try not to drop your monocle in your crystal glass of Dom Perignon, douchebags.

Let me guess...we should bring back the ban on blacks, jews & females too, right?


You get challenged, and your instinct is to lash out with name calling and appeal to class, gender, and race in a discussion about club anchoring?

Maybe you should adopt a motto like "Everyone is entitled to an opinion & Your choice is who you choose to be, so if you're causin' no harm then you're alright with me".  Just a thought.
 
2013-05-23 12:00:06 PM  

Khellendros: Frankly, I'm surprised they're not more restrictive on club design and materials.


I agree! That is where it has to start. Not just arbitrarily picking something because you don't like how it looks.
What about anchoring to your wrist/forearm? That's OK because it doesn't "look" different? Anchoring or not, you're still rotating your body and arms. You're still swinging the club in a manner that will have many points that can't be repeated 100% every time. Do we ban the claw grip next? Most players doing so create a more fluid shoulder rotation to take their hands out of the equation.
 
2013-05-23 12:00:06 PM  

JohnnyCanuck: Let me guess...we should bring back the ban on blacks, jews & females too, right?


Let the word go forth, anyone who supports the anchoring ban is a bigot.
 
2013-05-23 12:06:11 PM  

Khellendros: JohnnyCanuck: Yanks_RSJ: JohnnyCanuck: Anchoring stats show no advantage at all.

Okay, so it should be no problem for those using anchored putters to return to "standard" putters.  Clearly their putting won't suffer.

Why should they have to? Langer has been putting like this for as long as I can remember.

How about this...no more wearing hats. The sun and rain are natural and should be considered integral parts of the game. It's unfair for someone to wear a hat because another more recognizable player has nice hair and want to show it off on TV. He doesn't want to wear a hat so no one should be able to. It's unfair to him.

Then why can't people anchor the putter to their shoe, and "kick" the ball?  Or to their knee and swing like rockette?  Or to their hip and do a little shimmy for par?  The point of golf is a free swing with all the degrees of freedom your body can cause.  Eliminating new ways people come up with to skirt the rules to create a preference or advantage should get rooted out, particularly in a sport with as simple of a concept as golf.  Frankly, I'm surprised they're not more restrictive on club design and materials.


What about gloves or cleats?  Those are devices specifically designed to limit "the degrees of freedom your body can cause."

To me this all just seems silly.  You're still swinging a golf club and hitting a ball.  Maybe make the rule that the only body parts that can come into contact with the club are the hands.  That makes more sense.  As long as only the hands are swinging the club, what else matters?
 
2013-05-23 12:07:48 PM  

MugzyBrown: The poor comparison committee please come to order!


Yanks_RSJ: Don't hurt yourself.


Yanks_RSJ: Let the word go forth, anyone who supports the anchoring ban is a bigot.


Yeah...and i'm the one taking the low road.

It's OK for you to be wrong. Just admit it and move forward as a better person. I like that you people have your opinions. Without them there is no debate. But when you just echo the comments of something you just read, it doesn't really make it your opinion now does it? This issue was not a problem until someone won a major doing it. Now all of the sudden it's not fair. Whatever....someone on the internet doesn't agree with you....suck it up fellas.
 
2013-05-23 12:13:47 PM  
I made a comparison that, in my opinion, was as silly as the rule being purposed. A few of the "never-wrongs" had no rebuttal and posted snide remarks instead. I can play that...it's what makes proving y'all wrong fun. How tightly your panties bunch up while you scramble.
 
2013-05-23 12:15:00 PM  

JohnnyCanuck: Khellendros: Frankly, I'm surprised they're not more restrictive on club design and materials.

I agree! That is where it has to start. Not just arbitrarily picking something because you don't like how it looks.
What about anchoring to your wrist/forearm? That's OK because it doesn't "look" different? Anchoring or not, you're still rotating your body and arms. You're still swinging the club in a manner that will have many points that can't be repeated 100% every time. Do we ban the claw grip next? Most players doing so create a more fluid shoulder rotation to take their hands out of the equation.


The player must not make a stroke on the putting green from a stance astride, or with either foot touching, the line of putt or an extension of that line behind the ball.

That's Rule 16-1(e). You can't putt croquet-style. You know why that's a rule? Because Sam Snead thought he'd found a loophole in the rules that would help him overcome the yips. The USGA isn't down with that.

The USGA wants golfers to just deal with having the yips, and work through it.

This is even better- it's the head of the Royal and Ancient: "The danger signal was evident after American professionals began using long putters and that style of putting. When it first started, only a few elderly crackpots who had got the jitters used the method. It is absurd. You might as well lie on the green and use the end of the putter like a billiard cue to pot the ball."

Except that wasn't actually about long putters. Replace the word "long" with "croquet". And then realize that's a quote from 1967.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1079906/1/ i ndex.htm
 
2013-05-23 12:17:09 PM  

JohnnyCanuck: Yeah...and i'm the one taking the low road.


Yes, you are.

You seem to think you can "win" the argument by making logical leaps and painting everyone who disagrees with you as a bad person.

I'm not going to apologize for disagreeing with your opinion, but I feel pretty good that I'm not making idiotic generalizations about you based on said opinion, as you seem quite comfortable doing.
 
2013-05-23 12:17:12 PM  

Khellendros: You get challenged


Where was the challenge?

Was it this....

MugzyBrown: The poor comparison committee please come to order!


Or this...

Yanks_RSJ: Don't hurt yourself.


Or this...

Yanks_RSJ: Let the word go forth, anyone who supports the anchoring ban is a bigot.


Looks to me like a bunch of losers, whining.
 
2013-05-23 12:22:32 PM  

Gonz: This is even better- it's the head of the Royal and Ancient: "The danger signal was evident after American professionals began using long putters and that style of putting. When it first started, only a few elderly crackpots who had got the jitters used the method. It is absurd. You might as well lie on the green and use the end of the putter like a billiard cue to pot the ball."


In other words, it had nothing to do with "fairness" or "unfair advantages" and everything to do with some uppity Brits getting pissed that the Americans were "ruining" their game.  Makes sense.
 
2013-05-23 12:23:24 PM  
Wow...you people have no humor at all. Do you really think I assume you're wearing a monocle and drinking Dom Perignon? Or that the hat rule was meant to be serious?!? It was meant to paint you as a golf traditionalist, who sees no problem as long as they can benefit from whatever is proposed. You're one in a million, dude.

That's right...there is at least 7000 other people just like you. You're not that special....get over yourself.
 
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