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2013-05-23 01:03:49 AM
*checks dust layer on current xbox*

Probably very little.
 
2013-05-23 01:16:48 AM
Well, let's see.  After loaning out my original copy of the first Mass Effect a few times, three of the people I loaned it to subsequently bought both sequels, and I'm presuming bought a lot of the DLC.

Which would have never happened with a "No Free Sharing with Friends" lock-out.
 
2013-05-23 01:44:08 AM
Wait, video games will be locked to your XBox Live gamer tag? WTF? I just want to play a farking game, by myself. I have no interest in XBox Live or having a goddam 'gamer tag.'
 
2013-05-23 02:05:06 AM
I get exactly where they're coming from.

Developers are pissed because there's an ENTIRE cottage industry around their products for which they aren't getting paid a damned cent.

If they really really really wanted to clear this up and turn it around into a huge boon for them, let people transfer games to people on a previously established (like facebook) friends list.

Boom, all of a sudden friends get to loan games out, and the douchegargles over at GameStop cease to exist over night.

Win/Win!
 
2013-05-23 02:15:59 AM
I thought it over, and it doesn't actually impact me much at all. I'm pretty choosy about the kinds of games I want to buy, and I buy them at release time. I don't trade many in, as most of the games I like have replay value and I can find myself heavily invested in one a few years after it first came out.

It's still not a good idea, and I can see it impacting their marketing in general.
 
2013-05-23 06:25:33 AM
I'm excited for the SPORTS BOX 1 to sports me into sporting about sports.
 
2013-05-23 06:45:20 AM
If you're the owner of a Game Stop is means you're farked.
 
2013-05-23 07:00:06 AM
mojoimage.com

So sad.
 
2013-05-23 07:08:41 AM

propasaurus: Wait, video games will be locked to your XBox Live gamer tag? WTF? I just want to play a farking game, by myself. I have no interest in XBox Live or having a goddam 'gamer tag.'


You'll be able to buy additional licenses for the SRP of the game.
 
2013-05-23 07:10:50 AM
Probably nothing.

When I get around to buying a console this gen, it will probably be a Wii U.
 
2013-05-23 07:11:52 AM
What incentive do they have to drop prices on a used title if it costs as much as new? The real question is, Will sony pull the same shiat? Nintendo's Wii U is starting to look really appealing.
 
2013-05-23 07:14:45 AM

viscountalpha: What incentive do they have to drop prices on a used title if it costs as much as new? The real question is, Will sony pull the same shiat? Nintendo's Wii U is starting to look really appealing.


Together they can really save the WiiU.
 
2013-05-23 07:16:29 AM
That, plus the Kinect requirement, plus the 'Must phone home every 24 hours' bullshiat, means I won't be getting an Xbox One, that's for damn sure.
 
2013-05-23 07:17:13 AM

LordJiro: That, plus the Kinect requirement, plus the 'Must phone home every 24 hours' bullshiat, means I won't be getting an Xbox One, that's for damn sure.


Oh, also add "The Xbox 360 had fark-all in the way of decent exclusives, and so far, there's no indication the Xbox One will be any better in that department".
 
2013-05-23 07:18:08 AM
I honestly don't buy a lot of used games, but this still pisses me off because I like the option to. And I like knowing that if I spend $60 on a game and it turns out shiatty, I can make something back for it (though that's a whole nothing story.) It's more of the fact that they have restrictions and seemingly no good reason other than "we want to make all the money" that pisses me off. I found so many of my favourite games as a wee lad from renting them at video stores, or borrowing them from my friends.

Essentially it's "shell out $60 for every release" and that adds up quickly. I only have spent maybe $200 on all the Xbox 360 games I own.
 
2013-05-23 07:21:43 AM
It means that I will be buying a PS4 for the next console generation.
 
2013-05-23 07:24:41 AM
IF it meant games were steeply discounted (especially a few to six months after release), and there were occasional firesales of games? I'd probably be at least somewhat OK.

Since that's not going to happen, I suspect I'll stick with Steam (Which, while I currently cannot sell used games, often offers games at cheaper prices than a console system, so I at least get SOME benefit from not being able to re-sell)
 
2013-05-23 07:26:29 AM
It means Microsoft can kiss my big black be-hind.
 
2013-05-23 07:27:31 AM
So, if i buy a game for the xbone and install it with my gamertag, my kid (who has his own gamertag on the xbone) also has to shell out money to play that game? fark that shiat.

Also, if you think M$ is going to sell xbone games for the same $60 price as the 360's games, you're very much mistaken. Rumor has the PS4 games price tag at $90, so i expect M$ to do the same with the xbone.
 
2013-05-23 07:28:15 AM
Number of farks given..... 0
 
2013-05-23 07:30:12 AM
While none of these policy decisions affect me very much.  It's basically talked me out of buying it at launch.

I'll likely wait until a game I want to play very much comes out before buying one.  But that entirely depends on what PS4 and the Steam Box bring to the table.  Which is kind of a shame.  I've been very happy with the Xbox 360 all these years.

/I've jumped to a competing console twice before.  I'll do it again if it's right for me.
 
2013-05-23 07:30:26 AM

Dick Gozinya: Rumor has the PS4 games price tag at $90


That's probably just exchange rate BS. Yes, Japanese games cost around $90 new. When the dollar's strong, they're much cheaper at the same price.
 
2013-05-23 07:31:15 AM

Dick Gozinya: Rumor has the PS4 games price tag at $90


source?

Everything I've read puts it at the $60-70 dollar range.
 
2013-05-23 07:31:23 AM

Boojum2k: I thought it over, and it doesn't actually impact me much at all. I'm pretty choosy about the kinds of games I want to buy, and I buy them at release time. I don't trade many in, as most of the games I like have replay value and I can find myself heavily invested in one a few years after it first came out.

It's still not a good idea, and I can see it impacting their marketing in general.


I consider myself a "collector".  I have never sold games (yeah, even crappy ones bought during my stupid years).  I have the Original SimCity on 5" Floppy, X-Wing on 3.5"s, my Atari 2600 with about ten games (yes, E.T. is one of those), and a whole lot of stuff between then and now.  I would say I have around 200 games across 5 different systems (PC is the majority).  I have become extremely choosey over the past few years.  During the late 90's I was buying about one newly released game a month.  Now, I get one or two new release a year and wait for price drops on others.

I have moved on from browsing Gamestop (or, previously, Blockbuster) for used games.  Now it is either Amazon, GOG, or Steam.  This new generation of consoles does not sound like it is for me.  I grew up in an era when you "owned" the media.  I don't have to connect to a server to play Dungeon Keeper 2, I don't have to verify that I own my copy Baldurs Gate 2.  Hell, I can still pop my copy of Jade Empire into my 360 and it works.

 I would game exclusively on PC, but I live in a remote part of the US and my internet connection is crap (5GB cap at 5 mbps) so unless the infrastructure gets better (doubtful) I will just have to resort to my library.
 
2013-05-23 07:32:29 AM

Dick Gozinya: Also, if you think M$ is going to sell xbone games for the same $60 price as the 360's games, you're very much mistaken. Rumor has the PS4 games price tag at $90, so i expect M$ to do the same with the xbone.


There is no way PS4 is jumping up $30 in standard pricing in a single generation. It would DECIMATE game sales which is exactly the opposite of what they need to happen. I don't know where you heard this rumor but it's pretty laughable.
 
2013-05-23 07:32:50 AM

LordJiro: That, plus the Kinect requirement, plus the 'Must phone home every 24 hours' bullshiat, means I won't be getting an Xbox One, that's for damn sure.


This.

We've got a Wii and an Xbox 360 now.  We'll probably just get another Xbox 360, used if we have to, to replace the Wii for stuff like Netflix on the TV in the living room.
 
2013-05-23 07:33:33 AM
Though I don't like it, it doesn't impact me in the slightest.

I do occasionally buy used games, but I'm grown and have disposable income so I don't really mind paying full price.

Now if I was still a kid that had to rake leaves to get my game money and I couldn't borrow from friends, I'd be pissed. Sorry kiddies.
 
2013-05-23 07:33:36 AM

Dick Gozinya: So, if i buy a game for the xbone and install it with my gamertag, my kid (who has his own gamertag on the xbone) also has to shell out money to play that game? fark that shiat.

Also, if you think M$ is going to sell xbone games for the same $60 price as the 360's games, you're very much mistaken. Rumor has the PS4 games price tag at $90, so i expect M$ to do the same with the xbone.


Because it gives you the shaft?
 
2013-05-23 07:36:14 AM
Remember when new consoles debuted features that  benefited customers?
 
2013-05-23 07:39:06 AM
Google "PS 4 games $100" and you'll find all kinds of "sources" discussing the rumors of that price point for games. As i indicated in my original post, and reiterated here, these are RUMORS, not fact.

That said, we all know for a fact that the prices of games for the next gen consoles WILL be higher than the current $60 price tag. Anyone who choses to believe otherwise is delusional. Yes, that means you, who are right now typing up a flaming retort filled with all kinds of nerdrage.
 
2013-05-23 07:40:06 AM
Means very little until the policy is out there and running.

I imagine that at retail, games will still be around $60 (90 is pushing it too far - there will be torches and pitchforks). After a while, that price will drop, as it does in a bricks-and-mortar store until it gets to a bargain basement "Platinum Hits" price. Re-sales will likely follow that pricing model, especially for digital download.

No idea how second hand disk pricing will be done as the consumer has to pick up the game then activate a second code. That second code can be determined by the publisher so it could be zero to full price depending on how much of a bastard they are feeling at the time.

The question is, how much do *I* get paid for selling off my old game?
 
2013-05-23 07:40:06 AM
Very little actually since I'm not buying an Xbox One, before I used to rely on game reviews, and word of mouth before buying a game. I currently enjoy renting a game for $2 from redbox for a night playing to see if its good and if it is worth full price or if I can wait a few months till the price drop to what I think is the game's value. If microsoft isn't going to have something like a temp registration code to allow renting games for the Xbox1 I'm pretty much just going to skip it and not worry about it.

This better not catch on since here in az there's an awesome used store (books, music, movies, games, whatever) called Bookman's and one of the main reason's I go there is for games, usually for older systems but every so often there's a newer game there worth buying.
 
2013-05-23 07:41:03 AM
What will be funny is when the EU rules that game owners have the right to sell their games (and the US has already re-affirmed first sale doctrine), and while companies like Valve probably already have the mechanisms in place for Steam, ready to kick on, many others (Microsoft, Sony, Origin) will be caught flat-footed and either have to entirely disable their systems or deal with a temporary ban on these consoles until they can offer consumers the right to resell their games.

Corporations have been chugging along to the tipping point, assuming rights they don't exactly have secured. When it all goes critical, they will lose billions on that gamble.
 
2013-05-23 07:42:29 AM
All over the country there are jump to conclusions mats being quickly worn out.

There is no such policy, you just don't know how it will work. For me it means fark all as I never trade in or buy used games. Also, I'm a full-on Vita fanboi so will almost certainly get a PS4 (despite having a 360 and no PS3).
 
2013-05-23 07:43:53 AM
I don't really see a problem.

I use Steam and I just know the deal. You buy a game, you can't resell it. Where I could once buy a game for X and sell it for Y, I no longer have Y. I'm not going to pay X.

And think about it from the point of view of the producer. Rather than selling it to you for Y and you sell it to someone for X, they can now sell it for Y, and then for X. They get both lots of money. Which seems bad, but remember, we're in a competitive market here. They can't just do that. But what it potentially means is that they'll sell it you for Y-(X/2) and then sell it to the next guy for X - 1/3rd.

Or in other words...

Where you once paid $40 for a game and sold it for $10, you'll get the game for $35, and the next guy will get it for $7.

The only thing I wonder is whether this works better for Steam than consoles. Steam is digital, so the middleman cut is less than retail. My Steam games are going to be playable on the next PC I get.
 
2013-05-23 07:45:16 AM
Given that I just got a PS3 last month, this isn't going to affect me for a while, so I'll be watching from the sidelines as I catch up on a PS3 library I'm just getting around to. And yes, most of those games will be used. The reason I'm not on the cutting edge of gaming is affordability. Now, I would love to have a more affordable option that still puts money in the hands of developers, because I want to make sure games continue being made.

That's why I like places like Steam and Gog and HumbleBundle. I can buy games at low, low prices. HumbleBundle is offering Alan Wake this week, and I picked it up for a steal. But I do know that some money is going back to the developer, so I don't feel bad at all. I don't mind not being able to sell back the digital titles, because they are perfectly affordable. I never would have bought them at full price, but now I have more games than I know what to do with.

If consoles do go the route of no used games, then they need to offer an attractive alternative. If they want me to buy this kind of system, I need to know that I can play games on a budget. Right now, I'm not so reassured, and since I am perfectly capable of NOT buying a console, it's going to take a lot to convince me. Until then, I've got a huge and growing backlog to get through, so I'm good.
 
2013-05-23 07:45:58 AM
 
2013-05-23 07:47:32 AM
Not a damn thing because I'm a PC gamer for the most part.  The only exceptions to that rule are sports games which are better on the console.
 
2013-05-23 07:47:51 AM
I know this will probably get blown away as a poor analogy, but i dont see too many car makers pissing and moaning about the used car market. I dont see Tommy Hilfiger, or Hugo Boss, or Marty McFly biatching about being in the poorhouse because there are secondhand stores re-selling their clothes. So where do game studios and developers get all their butthurt over the used games market? I dont get it. Like any other product, you made it, you sold it, and you made your money. You have no right to control it after the sale is made. What makes software so special that these people think i owe them anything after the fact?
 
2013-05-23 07:49:16 AM

Felgraf: IF it meant games were steeply discounted (especially a few to six months after release), and there were occasional firesales of games? I'd probably be at least somewhat OK.

Since that's not going to happen, I suspect I'll stick with Steam (Which, while I currently cannot sell used games, often offers games at cheaper prices than a console system, so I at least get SOME benefit from not being able to re-sell)


Of course, if you are in the EU and use Steam, they are going to be required to allow resale because of an EU Court of Justice ruling:

http://www.webpronews.com/you-can-resell-your-steam-games-in-europe- 20 12-07

Whether once they have enabled it they will just let all users do it, even if they aren't required to in the US.

/presumably other digital distributors will have to follow suit as well
 
2013-05-23 07:49:25 AM
 
2013-05-23 07:49:28 AM
s14.postimg.org

They have done EVERYTHING wrong with this launch.  They have chosen to focus the new Xbox on things their core audience couldn't care less about, and enact changes that are universally hated by their core audience.  Especially when they KNOW that Sony is specifically NOT doing any of those things.

Everyone likes discs.  Everyone likes used games.  Not everyone has an internet connection (or a fast internet connection).  Everyone already has a farking means of watching the Price is Right.  Most gamers hate Kinect (and if you disagree, please name a single good Kinect game).  And they've gotten rid of used games in the form of mandatory FULL game installation and ONE time product activation code linked to your XBOX Live Account. This is the most retarded thing they could have done.  Limited to a 500GB hard drive, how many games is that going to hold?  Current games are about 10GB.  Next gen games are almost certainly going to be bigger, maybe a lot bigger.  Add in the fact that Microsoft is marketing this thing to be a home entertainment system (i.e. movie and television show downloads), that is not going to be a lot of space when you count saved games, downloadable content, etc.  And what's worse is, this is a blatant attempt to transition to a fully digital game distribution model, which people will hate ten times more than this announcement.  Forget about bargain bins, sales, etc.  Now if MS says a game is worth $60 forever, that's what it'll be. Period.  Screw you and your wallet.
 
2013-05-23 07:57:06 AM

soporific: Given that I just got a PS3 last month, this isn't going to affect me for a while, so I'll be watching from the sidelines as I catch up on a PS3 library I'm just getting around to. And yes, most of those games will be used. The reason I'm not on the cutting edge of gaming is affordability. Now, I would love to have a more affordable option that still puts money in the hands of developers, because I want to make sure games continue being made.


Well you are indirectly funding developers in a couple of ways anyway - when someone buys a new game knowing they can sell it second hand, they are more likely to buy it or spend more than they otherwise would, knowing they can get back some of the price at a later date when they get bored of it. Another way of looking at it is that when you buy a game second hand, in many cases the seller will turn around and buy a new game they otherwise wouldn't have the money for. So while not contributing as much as the people that buy new, you still support the games industry.

I mostly buy from Steam now, and after they are discounted, but that is as much to do with not having enough time to play all the games I already have, and thus paying full price when they are new when 75% of the time I wouldn't end up playing the game possibly for a year or more. There are the occasional exceptions where I know I will play it immediately and for a long time, but they are getting rarer the bigger the backlog becomes)
 
2013-05-23 07:58:23 AM
Nothing till E3. Microsoft said plenty of times the launch would be about the MEDIA side and E3 will be more about games.
/No I won't provide a link because you have to go through many Google pages full of click bait blogs and derp rants
 
2013-05-23 07:59:07 AM

kryptoknightmare: They have done EVERYTHING wrong with this launch. They have chosen to focus the new Xbox on things their core audience couldn't care less about, and enact changes that are universally hated by their core audience. Especially when they KNOW that Sony is specifically NOT doing any of those things.

Everyone likes discs. Everyone likes used games. Not everyone has an internet connection (or a fast internet connection). Everyone already has a farking means of watching the Price is Right. Most gamers hate Kinect (and if you disagree, please name a single good Kinect game). And they've gotten rid of used games in the form of mandatory FULL game installation and ONE time product activation code linked to your XBOX Live Account. This is the most retarded thing they could have done. Limited to a 500GB hard drive, how many games is that going to hold? Current games are about 10GB. Next gen games are almost certainly going to be bigger, maybe a lot bigger. Add in the fact that Microsoft is marketing this thing to be a home entertainment system (i.e. movie and television show downloads), that is not going to be a lot of space when you count saved games, downloadable content, etc. And what's worse is, this is a blatant attempt to transition to a fully digital game distribution model, which people will hate ten times more than this announcement. Forget about bargain bins, sales, etc. Now if MS says a game is worth $60 forever, that's what it'll be. Period. Screw you and your wallet.


There's a lot of comments I agree with in this thread, this being one of them.
I've had a 360 for years, and love it. However for this generation, unless they reallllly backpedal and change things, I'll either be getting a PS4, or a WiiU.

Which won't happen for a while, as my 360 just died and I replaced it in February. And I don't care, cause I've seen nothing of next-gen that makes me excited.

/stop trying to make "xbone" happen, it's not happening, stop trying to force it.
//"VCR One" on the other hand, is funny
 
2013-05-23 08:00:26 AM

LesserEvil: What will be funny is when the EU rules that game owners have the right to sell their games (and the US has already re-affirmed first sale doctrine), and while companies like Valve probably already have the mechanisms in place for Steam, ready to kick on, many others (Microsoft, Sony, Origin) will be caught flat-footed and either have to entirely disable their systems or deal with a temporary ban on these consoles until they can offer consumers the right to resell their games.

Corporations have been chugging along to the tipping point, assuming rights they don't exactly have secured. When it all goes critical, they will lose billions on that gamble.


That will be fine by me.  Would love to see corporations have to beg for people to buy their stuff because they took that gamble and lost.
 
2013-05-23 08:02:10 AM

kryptoknightmare: [s14.postimg.org image 420x424]

They have done EVERYTHING wrong with this launch.  They have chosen to focus the new Xbox on things their core audience couldn't care less about, and enact changes that are universally hated by their core audience.  Especially when they KNOW that Sony is specifically NOT doing any of those things.

Everyone likes discs.  Everyone likes used games.  Not everyone has an internet connection (or a fast internet connection).  Everyone already has a farking means of watching the Price is Right.  Most gamers hate Kinect (and if you disagree, please name a single good Kinect game).  And they've gotten rid of used games in the form of mandatory FULL game installation and ONE time product activation code linked to your XBOX Live Account. This is the most retarded thing they could have done.  Limited to a 500GB hard drive, how many games is that going to hold?  Current games are about 10GB.  Next gen games are almost certainly going to be bigger, maybe a lot bigger.  Add in the fact that Microsoft is marketing this thing to be a home entertainment system (i.e. movie and television show downloads), that is not going to be a lot of space when you count saved games, downloadable content, etc.  And what's worse is, this is a blatant attempt to transition to a fully digital game distribution model, which people will hate ten times more than this announcement.  Forget about bargain bins, sales, etc.  Now if MS says a game is worth $60 forever, that's what it'll be. Period.  Screw you and your wallet.


And, to compare these changes to the Steam model, Steam also offers you a lot of benefits you can't get on the XBox, unless (only in some cases) you subscribe to live....I'm thinking mainly of being able to logon to Steam from any computer and download/install your purchased games without having to repurchase, plus legacy game support as well as free access to community developed add-ons/mods.

Yeah, MS is screwing the pooch on this one....won't be buying the new XBox.
 
2013-05-23 08:03:41 AM

LesserEvil: What will be funny is when the EU rules that game owners have the right to sell their games (and the US has already re-affirmed first sale doctrine), and while companies like Valve probably already have the mechanisms in place for Steam, ready to kick on, many others (Microsoft, Sony, Origin) will be caught flat-footed and either have to entirely disable their systems or deal with a temporary ban on these consoles until they can offer consumers the right to resell their games.

Corporations have been chugging along to the tipping point, assuming rights they don't exactly have secured. When it all goes critical, they will lose billions on that gamble.


MS has already stated an Xbone disc is simply the vehicle to distribute the game. You're actually paying for a license to lease the game for the entire time MS supports the Xbone.
 
2013-05-23 08:05:25 AM

BullBearMS: It looks like Sony wins this round on two counts.

Not blocking the use of used games.
Sony Worldwide Studios boss Shuhei Yoshida has told Eurogamer that PlayStation 4 will not block the use of second-hand games, contrary to various reports, speculation and even a Sony patent unearthed last month.


This is important because of the following:

Sgt Otter: Well, let's see.  After loaning out my original copy of the first Mass Effect a few times, three of the people I loaned it to subsequently bought both sequels, and I'm presuming bought a lot of the DLC.

Which would have never happened with a "No Free Sharing with Friends" lock-out.


IOW, X lets Y borrow game.  Y likes game and decides to buy it him/herself.  Win/Win for everyone.  Something Microsoft going to learn the hard way.
 
2013-05-23 08:06:43 AM
It means... I'll be waiting until the console has been thoroughly hacked before getting one.  Then buy a bunch of cheap used games.
Or not.  Depends how long it takes for my 360 to die maybe.  Really not giving two much of a shiat right now.
 
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