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(SFGate)   America's Cup is now a restricter plate race   (sfgate.com) divider line 45
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2013-05-23 06:42:26 AM
Restricted? I just met 'er!

/got nothin.
 
2013-05-23 06:46:30 AM
Lets just ban all sports and get it over with.
 
2013-05-23 06:55:52 AM
Let's just wrap the entire world in bubble wrap and get it over with.

Freedom is the ability to choose to do unsafe things.
 
2013-05-23 07:14:11 AM
Someone will just start a competing probitively-expensive-for-mere-mortals boat race.  With only four teams competing, it shouldn't be too hard to dethrone this one.
 
2013-05-23 07:14:35 AM
Didn't they have to make significant changes after the whole catamaran fiasco twenty years ago?  Granted, that wasn't a safety issue.
 
2013-05-23 07:26:19 AM
Wake me when they have restrictor plates in chess.
 
2013-05-23 08:01:16 AM

Kyosuke: Let's just wrap the entire world in bubble wrap and get it over with.

Freedom is the ability to choose to do unsafe things.


...and sue when things go wrong
 
2013-05-23 08:07:34 AM

Kyosuke: Freedom is the ability to choose to do unsafe things.


Yeah, but what does that have to do with sports?  There are always arbitrary rules.
 
2013-05-23 08:28:32 AM
There have long been rules of this type in racing, submittermoran.
 
2013-05-23 08:32:45 AM
As a guy who knows almost nothing about sailing races, how do they restrict the speed on a sail boat?
 
2013-05-23 08:42:05 AM

OtherLittleGuy: Wake me when they have restrictor plates in chess.


It already has a seal.

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2013-05-23 08:43:11 AM
Is this today's generic racing thread?

Romain Grosjean just put his car into the wall during free practice 2 and now it's flying through the air as they hoist it off the track.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-05-23 08:52:15 AM

Go Fast Turn Left: As a guy who knows almost nothing about sailing races, how do they restrict the speed on a sail boat?


By requiring convoluted designs that are unstable in winds gustier than can be generated in a child's bathtub. I think the race should be run from Alcatraz to the Farralons and back. Make them use real boats, not purpose-built water-skimmers.
 
2013-05-23 09:23:52 AM
The competition for the America's Cup and the technological innovations that have sprung from it since the Americans regained it in 1987 has been nothing short of staggering, but the last series should've been a warning sign.  When your sailboat actually travels faster than the wind propelling it, when people are being killed during trials, and when the likes of Dennis Conner see the price tag for competing and say, "That's just way too high," it's time to step back a bit.
 
2013-05-23 09:35:27 AM
Force them to build the boat on site. Everyone gets the same pile of materials, same tools, first one to sail across the Pacific wins.
 
2013-05-23 09:41:41 AM

Go Fast Turn Left: As a guy who knows almost nothing about sailing races, how do they restrict the speed on a sail boat?


They will restrict the conditions which they race in.  They will not race in winds above 20 knots in the qualifiers and not above 23 knots in the final.

There have always been restrictions like this as sometimes it is too windy to sail.
 
2013-05-23 09:50:15 AM

Lost Thought 00: Force them to build the boat on site. Everyone gets the same pile of materials, same tools, first one to sail across the Pacific wins.


My money's on Thor Heyerdahl
 
2013-05-23 09:50:19 AM

mactheknife: When your sailboat actually travels faster than the wind propelling it


That's nothing new.  It's called planing.  Many boats can do it, although they're usually dinghies, not fixed-keel boats with an entire football team on board.
 
2013-05-23 09:56:14 AM
Bravo on the reference subby.
 
2013-05-23 10:14:18 AM
damn i read about this 3 days ago and it was already two days old then
 
2013-05-23 10:28:17 AM
not fixed-keel boats

These catamarans aren't fixed-keel boats either. They use movable dagger-boards on each hull of the boat to help maintain stability and upwind performance. This type of boat makes for some dynamic sailing and should be fun to watch, but it's bringing alot of danger to the boats and the crews, especially racing on San Francisco Bay. It's a bit of a "NASCAR" feel, if you like. Everybody's waiting for the next big wreck. The combination of heavy breeze and strong tidal currents can mean rough sailing for a catamaran that may be too lightly built to handle it.

When Oracle Racing flipped over a few months back it looked like she buried a hull when tacking into the wake of a chase boat. Can you imagine what might happen with a spectator fleet running around out there ?
 
2013-05-23 11:52:58 AM
i guess they outlawed the WHOMPER then?

/wind
 
2013-05-23 12:19:53 PM
If it could restrict what it's doing to rents in San Francisco, that would be freaking nice, as well. Go away America's Cup, and never come back.
 
2013-05-23 12:51:42 PM
Most frustrating is the lack of info coming from Artemis, the boat that recently broke and caused the death of one of their sailors.

The America's Cup Safety Committee propose to decrease the max. wind allowance from 33kts to 23 kts, about 35mph to 25mph.

Am surprised the Kiwis are not upset .... yet.  As they have designed and built their boats to handle these conditions while other teams may have under-engineered their boats.

Still expecting the lawyers to get involved ....
 
2013-05-23 12:55:05 PM
Lets just get back to 12 meter boats.. These catamarans suck
 
2013-05-23 01:59:03 PM
Oh look Larry Ellison...took something that was good and turned it to shiat.  Eff him.
 
2013-05-23 02:13:53 PM

soopey: Is this today's generic racing thread?

Romain Grosjean just put his car into the wall during free practice 2 and now it's flying through the air as they hoist it off the track.

[i.imgur.com image 601x336]


There's the Ricochet Romain we all know and swerve to avoid!
 
rka
2013-05-23 02:34:00 PM

PluckYew: Oh look Larry Ellison...took something that was good and turned it to shiat.  Eff him.


What's this got to do with Larry? The rules were proposed by the race director, an Australian. It's an Italian team that is threatening to pull out if the wind is too high. Artemis is the team that had a crew member killed.

Not one of these things has much to do with the Oracle team.
 
2013-05-23 03:32:33 PM
Italians are known to be girly men and should be allowed to leave the race and given the Miss SandyVag award on the way out.
 
2013-05-23 03:37:00 PM

Dead for Tax Reasons: damn i read about this 3 days ago and it was already two days old then


Interesting.

FTFA: America's Cup Regatta Director Iain Murray wants to turn down the speed on this year's races. That was one of 37 safety recommendations he issued Wednesday in response to the recent death of a two-time Olympic medalist training on the Swedish Artemis Racing team boat.


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Are you a Redditor?
 
2013-05-23 03:38:28 PM

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Dead for Tax Reasons: damn i read about this 3 days ago and it was already two days old then

Interesting.

FTFA: America's Cup Regatta Director Iain Murray wants to turn down the speed on this year's races. That was one of 37 safety recommendations he issued Wednesday in response to the recent death of a two-time Olympic medalist training on the Swedish Artemis Racing team boat.


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Are you a Redditor?


http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/sailing/22580152
 
2013-05-23 03:49:16 PM

Dead for Tax Reasons: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Dead for Tax Reasons: damn i read about this 3 days ago and it was already two days old then

Interesting.

FTFA: America's Cup Regatta Director Iain Murray wants to turn down the speed on this year's races. That was one of 37 safety recommendations he issued Wednesday in response to the recent death of a two-time Olympic medalist training on the Swedish Artemis Racing team boat.


[encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com image 225x225]

Are you a Redditor?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/sailing/22580152


Well done. My apologies for associating you with Reddit. We cool?
 
2013-05-23 03:54:54 PM
America's Cup? More like attorneys cup. The things been won and lost as much in courtrooms as on the water lately.
 
2013-05-23 03:56:06 PM
In case you missed it and as the photo points out , that is the Golden Gate Bridge in the background.
 
2013-05-23 04:07:02 PM

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Dead for Tax Reasons: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Dead for Tax Reasons: damn i read about this 3 days ago and it was already two days old then

Interesting.

FTFA: America's Cup Regatta Director Iain Murray wants to turn down the speed on this year's races. That was one of 37 safety recommendations he issued Wednesday in response to the recent death of a two-time Olympic medalist training on the Swedish Artemis Racing team boat.


[encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com image 225x225]

Are you a Redditor?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/sailing/22580152

Well done. My apologies for associating you with Reddit. We cool?


lol...just watch where you stick that finger
 
2013-05-23 04:11:55 PM

soopey: Is this today's generic racing thread?

Romain Grosjean just put his car into the wall during free practice 2 and now it's flying through the air as they hoist it off the track.

[i.imgur.com image 601x336]


Freedom is the ability to choose to do unsafe things.Freedom is the ability for Grosjean to do unsafe things
 
2013-05-23 04:48:43 PM
I went on my very first ever sail boat ride last weekend, and had a blast.  As a result, I now consider myself an expert in these things.

If the object of the game is not to go as fast as you farking can, it isn't racing.
 
2013-05-23 06:15:30 PM

Kann: Lets just get back to 12 meter boats.. These catamarans suck


This.
 
2013-05-23 07:26:24 PM

Maturin: Kann: Lets just get back to 12 meter boats.. These catamarans suck

This.


I know, the 12m races were like watching paint dry, but it was some fine, classical lines paint.
 
2013-05-24 12:31:00 AM

divgradcurl: i guess they outlawed the WHOMPER then?

/wind


Seriously underrated flick that.

Kann: Lets just get back to 12 meter boats.. These catamarans suck


I vote that we go farther back to the J-Class.
 
2013-05-24 12:52:02 AM

Dead for Tax Reasons: damn i read about this 3 days ago and it was already two days old then


well im reading it today, kudos to you for caring more about sailing than 99.3 percent of the population.  I am in awe of you.  now hush up and let  us learn something.
 
2013-05-24 09:16:49 AM

zjbs14: divgradcurl: i guess they outlawed the WHOMPER then?

/wind

Seriously underrated flick that.



Cliff Robertson as a drunken, depressed, WASP version of Dennis Connor was awesome.  Plus some great scenery and photography.
 
2013-05-24 10:28:10 AM

I sound fat: Dead for Tax Reasons: damn i read about this 3 days ago and it was already two days old then

well im reading it today, kudos to you for caring more about sailing than 99.3 percent of the population.  I am in awe of you.  now hush up and let  us learn something.


Kudos to you for getting your news from fark, days late. I'll be extra quiet, seems you have a lot to learn
 
2013-05-24 12:18:34 PM
Lets just get back to 12 meter boats.. These catamarans suck

I vote that we go farther back to the J-Class.


Screw it, lets go all the way back and have them race identical two-masted, clipper-bowed, pilot boat boat- type schooners. At least then the boats would be able to race in what many of us consider a breeze as opposed to the near-hurricane the racers now consider a 20 knot wind.
 
2013-05-24 12:54:08 PM

shanteyman: Lets just get back to 12 meter boats.. These catamarans suck

I vote that we go farther back to the J-Class.

Screw it, lets go all the way back and have them race identical two-masted, clipper-bowed, pilot boat boat- type schooners. At least then the boats would be able to race in what many of us consider a breeze as opposed to the near-hurricane the racers now consider a 20 knot wind.


I think they oughta have no restrictions besides no motors. They know the conditions in SF Bay. Run what ya brung. The race dates should be set in stone. If it rains the day of the race, the race shall be held in the rain. If it's hurricanin', well ya shoulda brought a boat prepared for that eventuality. Ya pays yer money and ya takes yer chances.
 
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