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2013-05-23 10:11:14 AM  
When contacted by CBS 2, a rep for the Department of Transportation simply said that "any motorist who believes they received a ticket in error can contest it through the Department of Finance, which adjudicates violations."

Haha good luck with that.
 
2013-05-23 10:35:12 AM  
It's only money, can't take it with us. I'd be happy to give a bit to whoever wants some so this wouldn't ruin my day.
 
2013-05-23 10:35:45 AM  
a rep for the Department of Transportation simply said that "any motorist who believes they received a ticket in error can contest it through the Department of Finance

If anybody needs to go in front of a Senate hearing to have their ass reamed, it's this guy.
 
2013-05-23 10:35:52 AM  
Parking enforcement is the epitome of bureaucracy and authoritarianism at its worst.
 
2013-05-23 10:36:34 AM  
To storage B in the basement?
 
2013-05-23 10:36:40 AM  
www.toys-collection.com
 
2013-05-23 10:37:23 AM  
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Is it about my cube?
 
2013-05-23 10:38:20 AM  

Walker: When contacted by CBS 2, a rep for the Department of Transportation simply said that "any motorist who believes they received a ticket in error can contest it through the Department of Finance, which adjudicates violations."

Haha good luck with that.


That's exactly what I thought when I read that.
115 dollars is robbery.
 
2013-05-23 10:39:50 AM  
It's nothing a few hangings can't fix.  Start with the mayor and work your way down to the meter maid.  THe next batch of goons will not allow this if it means they will hang as well.
 
2013-05-23 10:40:44 AM  
 
2013-05-23 10:43:24 AM  
I thought stuff like this was par for the course in New York City?
 
2013-05-23 10:45:27 AM  

TheEdibleSnuggie: I thought stuff like this was par for the course in New York City?


Lying, cheating and stealing?  No wonder it's the home of the stockbrokers
 
2013-05-23 10:45:37 AM  
Not this thread again.  Or maybe this is an extremely rare occurrence that we will get all pissy about anyway and murmur under our breaths how this was intentional and shake tiny fists and such as.
 
2013-05-23 10:46:13 AM  
The law is usually written so that signs are only advisory. The rules for parking don't change when or because the signs change; the rules change when they're scheduled to, and the signs may or may not be correct at any given time.

Which is stupid, and anyone caught in this absolutely shouldn't have to pay a ticket, but that's how the law usually works.
 
2013-05-23 10:48:40 AM  
It seems too blatant of a "scheme" to be something that will happen again and again. It was probably just a one off mistake or a really stupid attempt at a cash grab (for very little cash).

Of course the responsibility falls to the ticketed people who have to go through the bureaucratic mess of having their money refunded.

Minus state and court fees of course, it costs money to refund money!
 
2013-05-23 10:51:51 AM  
...the Department of Transportation simply said that "any motorist who believes they received a ticket in error can contest it through the Department of Finance, which adjudicates violations."

Translation: fark you and pay up.
 
2013-05-23 10:56:07 AM  
Pfft, happens in Chicago all the time.
 
2013-05-23 10:56:59 AM  
Can you say "organized crime?" What are the odds of a meter maid appearing 25 minutes after the sign went up in an area where she didn't have anything to enforce (yet)? Unless they don't work in known areas with parking restrictions and just stroll around town until they happen upon a stretch of road that has some restriction. That would be rather inefficient.

drjekel_mrhyde: I love this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qn1eqoyWa_M


Same goes here. There is no way the tow truck driver just happened to notice a car parked in a disabled spot. Someone has called it in. And there aren't many people who know about this spot as it's just been painted.
 
2013-05-23 10:57:05 AM  
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"Right, so some guy just came along and put up signs"

/Those people should really learn to pay their parking tickets.
 
2013-05-23 10:58:07 AM  

AgentBang: It seems too blatant of a "scheme" to be something that will happen again and again. It was probably just a one off mistake or a really stupid attempt at a cash grab (for very little cash).

Of course the responsibility falls to the ticketed people who have to go through the bureaucratic mess of having their money refunded.

Minus state and court fees of course, it costs money to refund money!


I'm guessing the signs went up and the traffic warden noticed the now illegally parked car and issued the citation.  It should be contestable in court - but unless your city has a method to contest parking citations online it's probably not worth it.

I guess NYC is not used to bikeshare docks but I wouldn't park in front of one like that regardless of the signs.  Sure the city could have had the signs scheduled to go up later - but coordinating timing like that is almost impossible.
 
2013-05-23 11:01:29 AM  
Subby: You have 30 minutes to move your cube

There's a Time Cube joke in the headline somewhere, but I can't quite pin it down.
 
2013-05-23 11:07:04 AM  

CitizenjaQ: The law is usually written so that signs are only advisory. The rules for parking don't change when or because the signs change; the rules change when they're scheduled to, and the signs may or may not be correct at any given time.

Which is stupid, and anyone caught in this absolutely shouldn't have to pay a ticket, but that's how the law usually works.


I guess the question would be this - if the signs and/or meters specify certain holidays, (like if it says "not required on Sundays, Christmas, Thanksgiving, Labor Day, or Memorial Day" directly on the meter) could that be considered entrapment or otherwise be invalidated by the parking meter itself saying that you didn't have to pay for parking?
    Someone who lives in SF might have heard local news about the parking law being changed, but if you're a visitor from out of town, there is no way you could know if the signage is incorrect.  At the very least, most cities at least put up temporary signs at regular intervals on the roadway warning that different parking rules are in effect.
 
2013-05-23 11:14:48 AM  
Or just keep a supply of license plates and change 'em every month or so. Problem solved.
 
2013-05-23 11:15:33 AM  
CBS Time...

About 10 years ago a buddy of mine and I went to Chicago for the day. We were downtown and did not really know where we were but we decided to turn to park. We turned from what appeared to be a turn left only lane. Just after we turned, a very large woman officer came up behind us on a four-wheeler and proceeded to issue us a ticket. Ticket was for turning left in a no turn lane. I told her the road said I have to turn left. She said it had been painted over. I walked over and looked and sure enough you could see new paint, but the old paint showing it as a left turn only lane still remained. She said there was a sign, which there was three lanes away to the right, which a bus had just happened to be in front of when we were turning. It was the dumbest ticket I'm sure I will ever receive in my life.
 
2013-05-23 11:19:42 AM  

Rising_Zan_Samurai_Gunman: if the signs and/or meters specify certain holidays, (like if it says "not required on Sundays, Christmas, Thanksgiving, Labor Day, or Memorial Day" directly on the meter) could that be considered entrapment or otherwise be invalidated by the parking meter itself saying that you didn't have to pay for parking?


What in the shiat did I just read?
 
2013-05-23 11:22:22 AM  

bmihura: Or just keep a supply of license plates and change 'em every month or so. Problem solved.


Except that they scan your windshield stickers in NYS.
 
2013-05-23 11:28:19 AM  

turboke: Can you say "organized crime?" What are the odds of a meter maid appearing 25 minutes after the sign went up in an area where she didn't have anything to enforce (yet)? Unless they don't work in known areas with parking restrictions and just stroll around town until they happen upon a stretch of road that has some restriction. That would be rather inefficient.


Do you know how I know you've never been to NYC?   There is no such thing as an area where they have nothing to enforce when it comes to parking.  They will always ticket you, it's only a matter of time.
 
2013-05-23 11:38:31 AM  
 
2013-05-23 11:43:39 AM  

trappedspirit: What in the shiat did I just read?


...you've never heard of a parking meter?
 
2013-05-23 11:47:25 AM  

trappedspirit: What in the shiat did I just read?


me·ter [mee-ter]
noun
1.
an instrument for measuring, especially one that automatically measures and records the quantity of something, as of gas, water, miles, or time, when it is activated.
2.
parking meter.
 
2013-05-23 12:05:19 PM  

poot_rootbeer: trappedspirit: What in the shiat did I just read?

...you've never heard of a parking meter?


ThatGuyGreg: trappedspirit: What in the shiat did I just read?

me·ter [mee-ter]
noun
1.
an instrument for measuring, especially one that automatically measures and records the quantity of something, as of gas, water, miles, or time, when it is activated.
2.
parking meter.



Yeah, never heard of the word meter.  That's exactly what I was trying to convey.  You guys get the prize.  I was not wondering how a meter that has holidays directly on the meter could be invalidated by the parking meter.  Instead I was wondering what this strange combination of letters was supposed to be.
 
2013-05-23 12:20:30 PM  
At least the people who parked in front of the bike racks deserve the ticket. You block access to something and park in a manner that causes you to partially block a traffic lane, that is ticketable anywhere in the US. People not blocking the bike racks deserve the tickets dismissed.

turboke: Can you say "organized crime?" What are the odds of a meter maid appearing 25 minutes after the sign went up in an area where she didn't have anything to enforce (yet)? Unless they don't work in known areas with parking restrictions and just stroll around town until they happen upon a stretch of road that has some restriction. That would be rather inefficient.


I'm guessing you haven't ever watched Parking Wars. Yes, meter maids do stroll around their assigned areas because many parking infractions do occur that aren't sign related such as parking in driveways, alleys, being to close to corners, blocking crosswalks, parking on sidewalks, etc. That show taught me some sympathy for meter maids, you have to remember all the people who are morons, assholes, and selfish out there will usually be the same way or worse behind a steering wheel.
 
2013-05-23 12:54:47 PM  
I was hoping for a chance to slam people who drive the Nissan Cube. Whenever I see one on the road I recoil in disgust.
 
2013-05-23 01:27:56 PM  
What is the difference between government and the Mafia?

The Mafia admits to being criminals.
 
2013-05-23 01:58:05 PM  
Standard municipal fund raising technique here in Tulsa. Just wait for Octoberfest, The Tulsa State Fair or Mayfest. Happens every year.
 
2013-05-23 02:01:27 PM  
I got a ticket once for an expired meter. Except the meter wasn't there when I parked. I wrote a letter explaining the situation and the ticket was dismissed without further incident. And this was in L.A., where the city probably gets 3/4 of its operating revenue from outrageously high fines for trivial violations of deliberately confusing parking regulations.
 
2013-05-23 03:23:14 PM  
I have received 3 tickets on separate occassions for parking in a handicap parking(All in Sacramento, CA). Each time I had a valid placard on my mirror.  I caught the meter maid in the act during one of the incidents and asked why i was receiving a ticket.  She looked at my mirror and said, "oh, sorry, but the ticket is already issued, you can mail in an objection".  I mailed in my objection, they accepted it for "A $35 PROCESSING FEE".  I wrote back and asked why I was being charged a processing fee for an invalid ticketing and asked how I could contest this fee.  I was told I could not contest it and to pay the fee or the full $375 fine would show up on my next registration renewal.  3 Times this has happened.  It is not bad enough to have a legitimate lifelong handicap, now I have to pay a handy tax for the privilege of being in pain.
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2013-05-23 03:23:40 PM  
had a bike share installed a block away from me. a few days before, they left laminated "no parking" signs along the block. maybe the drivers ignored these signs?
 
2013-05-23 05:14:27 PM  
If all it takes is someone putting up a sign to make a legal area suddenly illega, all us drivers should rebel and pull down all the signs. "Nope, it's not illegal to park here now. There's no sign."
 
2013-05-23 05:16:22 PM  
... Suddenly legal. Darn typos.
 
2013-05-23 07:02:47 PM  
A simple fix for this crap:  Pass a law that if you successfully defend yourself from a ticket the city pays you whatever they were trying to collect/collected from you in addition to refunding anything they actually collected.  If you took it to a court where attorneys are normally needed you also get reasonable attorney's fees.

Of course this will never be done unless it's imposed by the feds, anyplace that gets ticket money would never vote for accountability.
 
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