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2013-05-24 12:01:32 AM
JasonOfOrillia
Campylobacter

From your link:

The organism is not usually spread from one person to another, but this can happen if the infected person is producing a large volume of diarrhea.


bullsballs
I would not drink raw milk, just like I would not drink ground water. I do not like getting sick from contaminated products when there is a simple way to prevent it. All it takes is one episode of diarrhea that takes months to go away to make you realize the danger, and why there are regulations about the proper handling of foodstuffs...

So don't!
 
2013-05-24 12:40:28 AM

RanDomino: JasonOfOrillia
Campylobacter

From your link:

The organism is not usually spread from one person to another, but this can happen if the infected person is producing a large volume of diarrhea.



From my second, CDC, link:
Campylobacter is one of the most common causes of diarrheal illness in the United States.

and

The organism is not usually spread from one person to another, but this can happen if the infected person is producing a large volume of diarrhea.

Your argument was this:
Whether or not the risks are "misrepresented" is immaterial, because there is no level of risk that would justify banning an activity which can never harm anyone but the willing participant

I don't think the word "never" means what you think it means.  If your dumbassery can cause other people to get sick through something that is easily preventable, in fact where it is harder to get unpasteurized milk, then you have a duty to not be that dumbass.
 
2013-05-24 01:26:40 AM

JasonOfOrillia: RanDomino: JasonOfOrillia
Campylobacter

From your link:

The organism is not usually spread from one person to another, but this can happen if the infected person is producing a large volume of diarrhea.


From my second, CDC, link:
Campylobacter is one of the most common causes of diarrheal illness in the United States.

and

The organism is not usually spread from one person to another, but this can happen if the infected person is producing a large volume of diarrhea.

Your argument was this:
Whether or not the risks are "misrepresented" is immaterial, because there is no level of risk that would justify banning an activity which can never harm anyone but the willing participant

I don't think the word "never" means what you think it means.  If your dumbassery can cause other people to get sick through something that is easily preventable, in fact where it is harder to get unpasteurized milk, then you have a duty to not be that dumbass.


Apparently, the jury is too stupid to decide whether the law is being applied fairly if they're actually told what happened.  And I'm sure you've never been sick in public, because that would get other people sick through an easily preventable cause, and you have a duty not to do that.
 
2013-05-24 02:07:38 AM
JasonOfOrillia
I don't think the word "never" means what you think it means. If your dumbassery can cause other people to get sick through something that is easily preventable, in fact where it is harder to get unpasteurized milk, then you have a duty to not be that dumbass.

The way Campylobacter spreads is if you touch the feces of something which has it (and then presumably touch a mucus membrane or cut or such). If you think that's only dangerous because of raw milk then you might want to be more careful about who you call a dumbass.
 
2013-05-24 06:35:51 AM

CourtroomWolf: Apparently, the jury is too stupid to decide whether the law is being applied fairly if they're actually told what happened. And I'm sure you've never been sick in public, because that would get other people sick through an easily preventable cause, and you have a duty not to do that.


Juries are normally triers of fact, not of law.  Judges restrict the information presented to juries all the time to prevent misdirections from entering trials.  If Vernon Hershberger wants to make it legal to sell raw milk the best place to lobby for that is at the ballot box or legislature.

RanDomino: JasonOfOrillia
I don't think the word "never" means what you think it means. If your dumbassery can cause other people to get sick through something that is easily preventable, in fact where it is harder to get unpasteurized milk, then you have a duty to not be that dumbass.

The way Campylobacter spreads is if you touch the feces of something which has it (and then presumably touch a mucus membrane or cut or such). If you think that's only dangerous because of raw milk then you might want to be more careful about who you call a dumbass.


I don't think Campylobacter is only dangerous because of raw milk.  There are plenty of other ways to get it.  Mis-handled raw chicken for example.  The only people I'm calling dumbasses are those who believe that raw milk is safe.  My Campylobactor example was only brought in to challenge your baseless assertion that "an activity which can never harm anyone but the willing participant."  You were wrong to say this.
 
2013-05-24 11:20:20 AM
JasonOfOrillia
My Campylobactor example was only brought in to challenge your baseless assertion that "an activity which can never harm anyone but the willing participant." You were wrong to say this.

It's the touching of feces that causes the problem, not the raw milk.
 
2013-05-24 07:30:56 PM

RanDomino: JasonOfOrillia
My Campylobactor example was only brought in to challenge your baseless assertion that "an activity which can never harm anyone but the willing participant." You were wrong to say this.

It's the touching of feces that causes the problem, not the raw milk.


If you read the first article that I posted you would realize that is the feces that get in the milk that can be the problem for this particular infection.  Do you understand that there are other infections that can be spread in milk?  Diseases that can be spread in raw milk include, but are not limited to Listeria, Salmonella, Norovirus, Mycobacterium Bovis, Brucella, and Giardia.  Some of these are not communicable but many are.

If you think that human-to-human fecal transmission is rare I suggest you lick your keyboard.

You original point was that if it only affects the primary raw-milk drinker then who cares.  All I did was point out one recent instance where a communicable disease was spread through raw milk to well over 100 people.  If, as you propose, an action which doesn't affect anyone else is acceptable then I would agree with you.  The fact is is that these actions can have effects on innocent bystanders and that is why regulation is needed.
 
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