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(Gothamist)   The real reason the NYPD likes stop-and-frisk is not to keep weapons off the street: It's free weed   (gothamist.com) divider line 130
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2013-05-22 03:50:53 PM
HOLY CRAP look at the minority to white ratio.

This policy is complete madness.

They are targeting minorities.
 
2013-05-22 03:53:12 PM
Nobody should be surprised at the racial disparity.

But New York City should feel much, much safer now that the stoners are being arrested.
 
2013-05-22 03:55:42 PM
If they decriminalized weed in NY, the cops would have almost nothing to do.
 
2013-05-22 04:01:19 PM

cman: HOLY CRAP look at the minority to white ratio.

This policy is complete madness.

They are targeting minorities.


This!  This is profiling, through and through.  The NYPD has become truly despicable.
 
2013-05-22 04:19:42 PM
Remember everyone: racism is dead and gone, and you're the real racist for looking at statistics that clearly demonstrate otherwise.
 
2013-05-22 04:22:24 PM
Remind me never to travel to New York as a black person.
 
2013-05-22 04:23:26 PM
Well duh. In NOLA they cooperate with the weed dealers, that way they get your money AND your weed. Except they usually just fleece the tourists, not black people.
 
2013-05-22 04:25:13 PM
How can anyone with a moral bone in their body support this?

It is literally indefensible. There is no possible way to say that there is anything to this but racial profiling and intimidation.
 
2013-05-22 05:26:22 PM
You know, I attended the NYPD's academy to be a police officer.

I failed out when I actually shot the perp at the range, rather than the 9 people around him and the girl he was holding hostage.
 
2013-05-22 05:28:19 PM
NYC now more racist than the deep south, reach for the stars douchebags!
 
2013-05-22 05:30:00 PM
ecx.images-amazon.com

I think she's hiding something. Get in there and check it out Lou.
 
2013-05-22 05:30:24 PM
If Obama wasn't half-white, he would do something about this.
 
2013-05-22 05:31:09 PM
It's really sad stories like this are true.
 
2013-05-22 05:31:36 PM

gilgigamesh: Remember everyone: racism is dead and gone, and you're the real racist for looking at statistics that clearly demonstrate otherwise.


This isn't a racist policy, just #1 with racist policies.
 
2013-05-22 05:31:48 PM

Mark Ratner: If Obama wasn't half-white, he would do something about this.


Stupid Chalky men. They don't care about the green man.

24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-05-22 05:32:14 PM

illannoyin: [ecx.images-amazon.com image 341x500]

I think she's hiding something. Get in there and check it out Lou.


OH. DEAR. GOD.
 
2013-05-22 05:33:23 PM

cman: HOLY CRAP look at the minority to white ratio.

This policy is complete madness.

They are targeting minorities.


Remember, the police are the only people that some people say should have guns.
 
2013-05-22 05:33:38 PM
So there's a JOB out there where I get to stop people who look "interesting" to me, grope them without fear of reprisal, and take their weed???


Holy Sheeeit, I"m gonna join the NYPD!!!
 
2013-05-22 05:35:48 PM

Elandriel: cman: HOLY CRAP look at the minority to white ratio.

This policy is complete madness.

They are targeting minorities.

This!  This is profiling, through and through.  The NYPD has become truly despicable.


In all the IRS threads I was told by liberals that profiling was OK in order to single out certain groups.

What's the problem here then?
 
2013-05-22 05:36:16 PM

hardinparamedic: Mark Ratner: If Obama wasn't half-white, he would do something about this.

Stupid Chalky men. They don't care about the green man.


Double super fudge!

/ I actually thought about purchasing and then wearing a "Booty Hunter" hat.
 
2013-05-22 05:36:24 PM
FTFA: Surveys have shown that whites use marijuana at higher rates than blacks or Hispanics, yet of the 26,225 marijuana-related stops made in 2012, only 8.7% involved whites-61.4% involved blacks or Hispanics.

and

For instance, blacks or Latinos make up only 7.8% of the residents in the 17th Precinct, which covers Kips Bay, Turtle Bay, and Murray Hill. But 74% of those stopped in that precinct were people of color. In Greenwich Village's 6th Precinct, that number was 83.5%, despite the fact that only 8% of the neighborhood's population has that racial makeup.

This from a liberal Mayor in a liberal city.  Now, explain to me again how "progressives" are such better, more tolerant and understanding, people than conservatives.
 
2013-05-22 05:37:20 PM

iheartscotch: Remember, the police are the only people that some people say should have guns.


I get the feeling you're inferring that people should use their firearms to attack police by that statement. Otherwise,

i.imgur.com
 
2013-05-22 05:37:23 PM
s14.postimg.org
 
2013-05-22 05:38:47 PM

iheartscotch: cman: HOLY CRAP look at the minority to white ratio.

This policy is complete madness.

They are targeting minorities.

Remember, the police are the only people that some people say should have guns.


Yes, because the proper response to a police officer stopping you to do a constitutionally impermissible pat-down is to gun that farker down in his tracks. Clearly that is the solution with the least complicating or problematic consequences.

Here he is, folks, yet another responsible, law-abiding gun owner who thinks the solution to life's ordinary dilemmas is to shoot them.
 
2013-05-22 05:39:15 PM

iheartscotch: hardinparamedic: Mark Ratner: If Obama wasn't half-white, he would do something about this.

Stupid Chalky men. They don't care about the green man.

Double super fudge!

/ I actually thought about purchasing and then wearing a "Booty Hunter" hat.


You should do that.

api.ning.com

That would look awesome on you.
 
2013-05-22 05:40:31 PM
Did Ric Romero file this report?

/I was set to get a good high, but then I got frisked.....
 
2013-05-22 05:40:44 PM
And free cat food.

www.petco.com
 
Nib
2013-05-22 05:41:54 PM

dj_bigbird: If they decriminalized weed in NY, the cops would have almost nothing to do.


It is decriminalized in NY actually.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-05-22 05:42:04 PM
Why can't it be both?
 
2013-05-22 05:42:32 PM

fawlty: FTFA: Surveys have shown that whites use marijuana at higher rates than blacks or Hispanics, yet of the 26,225 marijuana-related stops made in 2012, only 8.7% involved whites-61.4% involved blacks or Hispanics.

and

For instance, blacks or Latinos make up only 7.8% of the residents in the 17th Precinct, which covers Kips Bay, Turtle Bay, and Murray Hill. But 74% of those stopped in that precinct were people of color. In Greenwich Village's 6th Precinct, that number was 83.5%, despite the fact that only 8% of the neighborhood's population has that racial makeup.

This from a liberal Mayor in a liberal city.  Now, explain to me again how "progressives" are such better, more tolerant and understanding, people than conservatives.


ha has a couple of liberal leanings. he's mostly a fascist authoritarian.
 
2013-05-22 05:43:42 PM
This is also a great way to "sell" tickets to the policeman's ball.
 
2013-05-22 05:44:31 PM
Aarontology


Nobody should be surprised at the racial disparity.

Liberal NY.

Democrats have always hated brown people.
 
2013-05-22 05:44:48 PM

miss diminutive: Remind me never to travel to New York as a black person.


You madam are cracking me up today, thank you : )
/because I'm so very hung over right now
 
2013-05-22 05:44:53 PM

fawlty: FTFA: Surveys have shown that whites use marijuana at higher rates than blacks or Hispanics, yet of the 26,225 marijuana-related stops made in 2012, only 8.7% involved whites-61.4% involved blacks or Hispanics.


So you are saying whites can keep their cool better since the smoke more? I'll hand it to you, it makes sense.
 
2013-05-22 05:45:05 PM

hardinparamedic: iheartscotch: Remember, the police are the only people that some people say should have guns.

I get the feeling you're inferring that people should use their firearms to attack police by that statement. Otherwise,


Nope. I'm just implying that the police are less than reliable concerning corruption.
 
2013-05-22 05:45:32 PM

joness0154: In all the IRS threads I was told by liberals that profiling was OK in order to single out certain groups.

What's the problem here then?


Based on the population and usage statistics, they should be stopping whites.
 
2013-05-22 05:46:15 PM

gilgigamesh: iheartscotch: cman: HOLY CRAP look at the minority to white ratio.

This policy is complete madness.

They are targeting minorities.

Remember, the police are the only people that some people say should have guns.

Yes, because the proper response to a police officer stopping you to do a constitutionally impermissible pat-down is to gun that farker down in his tracks. Clearly that is the solution with the least complicating or problematic consequences.

Here he is, folks, yet another responsible, law-abiding gun owner who thinks the solution to life's ordinary dilemmas is to shoot them.


Reading comprehension isn't your forte I'm guessing?

Hint: if you can't trust the police to not violate the small things, why would you trust them with firearms?

I'd like to see a modest reduction in police armament.
 
2013-05-22 05:48:02 PM

Hobodeluxe: fawlty: FTFA: Surveys have shown that whites use marijuana at higher rates than blacks or Hispanics, yet of the 26,225 marijuana-related stops made in 2012, only 8.7% involved whites-61.4% involved blacks or Hispanics.

and

For instance, blacks or Latinos make up only 7.8% of the residents in the 17th Precinct, which covers Kips Bay, Turtle Bay, and Murray Hill. But 74% of those stopped in that precinct were people of color. In Greenwich Village's 6th Precinct, that number was 83.5%, despite the fact that only 8% of the neighborhood's population has that racial makeup.

This from a liberal Mayor in a liberal city.  Now, explain to me again how "progressives" are such better, more tolerant and understanding, people than conservatives.

ha has a couple of liberal leanings. he's mostly a fascist authoritarian.


Authoritarian is not a left v right issue.
 
2013-05-22 05:48:17 PM

lockers: So you are saying whites can keep their cool better since the smoke more? I'll hand it to you, it makes sense.


No, that was what the article I was quoting said.  I have no opinion on the matter.
 
2013-05-22 05:48:17 PM

gilgigamesh: iheartscotch: cman: HOLY CRAP look at the minority to white ratio.

This policy is complete madness.

They are targeting minorities.

Remember, the police are the only people that some people say should have guns.

Yes, because the proper response to a police officer stopping you to do a constitutionally impermissible pat-down is to gun that farker down in his tracks. Clearly that is the solution with the least complicating or problematic consequences.

Here he is, folks, yet another responsible, law-abiding gun owner who thinks the solution to life's ordinary dilemmas is to shoot them.


Not what I said at all.

I was implying that the police are less than reliable.

Also, some people FREAKED when Arizona passed its "Papers, please" law; I figured that some of those same people would be on the same page here.
 
2013-05-22 05:48:33 PM
gothamist.com

www.woodytone.com
 
2013-05-22 05:49:13 PM
Racial profiling from police officers?  How long has THIS been going on?
 
2013-05-22 05:49:52 PM

Nib: dj_bigbird: If they decriminalized weed in NY, the cops would have almost nothing to do.

It is decriminalized in NY actually.


Not with 5000 arrests for it, it's not.
 
2013-05-22 05:49:52 PM

broken jebus: [gothamist.com image 640x427]

[www.woodytone.com image 314x360]


Yes, please.
/Want/need
//No really
 
2013-05-22 05:50:11 PM

fawlty: lockers: So you are saying whites can keep their cool better since the smoke more? I'll hand it to you, it makes sense.

No, that was what the article I was quoting said.  I have no opinion on the matter.


No opinion? Are you saying you doubt the facts the article presents?
 
2013-05-22 05:51:36 PM
b.vimeocdn.com
 
2013-05-22 05:52:20 PM
I'm still astonished that these have not been challenged in the SCOTUS.  They are CLEARLY 4th Amendment violations.
 
2013-05-22 05:52:36 PM
www.winstonsob.com

Before you advertise how tough you are, maybe you should go to the bathroom and douche some of Bloomberg's cock smell out you asshole, because it seems to me that you're all just little biatches to city hall.

- Doug Stanhope
(live in New York)

/Seemed relevant.
 
2013-05-22 05:53:02 PM
This is not unique to NYC.  My wife and I are friends with wives of cops, and they are always supremely happy whenever a bust goes down.  Then they get to raid the evidence locker.

I think the obvious tag could be bolded and underlined for this story.
 
2013-05-22 05:53:36 PM

cman: HOLY CRAP look at the minority to white ratio.

This policy is complete madness.

They are targeting minorities.


Yep. When it's taught as a textbook definition of discriminatory police by a police force in Criminal Justice 101 you know it's bad.
 
2013-05-22 05:54:43 PM

iheartscotch: hardinparamedic: iheartscotch: Remember, the police are the only people that some people say should have guns.

I get the feeling you're inferring that people should use their firearms to attack police by that statement. Otherwise,

Nope. I'm just implying that the police are less than reliable concerning corruption.


So why were you implying, in a thread about police abusing their authority, that minority New Yorkers would be better off if they were permitted to carry firearms?

I am a black guy who lives in a state that allows you to conceal carry with a permit. If I got stopped for questioning while unarmed, I would probably get hassled a bit and lose some time from my day.

If I got stopped and the cops found a concealed gun on me that I had every right to possess, I would count myself lucky to walk away alive.

Cops don't like it when you are an armed minority, and they won't hesitate to explain it to you directly.
 
2013-05-22 05:54:57 PM

Nib: dj_bigbird: If they decriminalized weed in NY, the cops would have almost nothing to do.

It is decriminalized in NY actually.


NYC decriminalized weed to some extent, but forbids it from open view.  When the stop and frisk is initiated the cop will typically ask "do you have anything in your pockets I should know about?" and may be specific about needles/blades/guns or drugs.

If you say "no" and they search and find weed, once they pull it out of your pocket it's in open view.  You get arrested.  You also get charged with perjury for lying to the cop which is the real trigger for the arrest.

If you say "yes" and they search and find weed, once they pull it out of your pocket it's in open view.  You get a summons.

Once "summoned" to court if you are white you will likely get a ACD, adjournment contemplating dismissal. If you are good for X amount of time they will tear up your record.  If you are black or hispanic you probably go to Rikers, where depending on your priors, you either get welcomed with open arms or you learn about a whole new way of life.

And THIS system is a HUGE improvement on the one we had a few years ago.  Thanks Nelson Rockefeller!
 
2013-05-22 05:56:20 PM

durbnpoisn: This is not unique to NYC.  My wife and I are friends with wives of cops, and they are always supremely happy whenever a bust goes down.  Then they get to raid the evidence locker.

I think the obvious tag could be bolded and underlined for this story.


This is actually very rare in most PDs, due to mandatory drug testing.
 
2013-05-22 05:56:58 PM

Elandriel: cman: HOLY CRAP look at the minority to white ratio.

This policy is complete madness.

They are targeting minorities.

This!  This is profiling, through and through.  The NYPD has become truly despicable.


has become? They've been there for awhile. Not sure if they've outstripped the CPD yet though. It's hard to top 45 million bucks over three years in police brutality claims.
 
2013-05-22 05:59:03 PM

iheartscotch: gilgigamesh: iheartscotch: cman: HOLY CRAP look at the minority to white ratio.

This policy is complete madness.

They are targeting minorities.

Remember, the police are the only people that some people say should have guns.

Yes, because the proper response to a police officer stopping you to do a constitutionally impermissible pat-down is to gun that farker down in his tracks. Clearly that is the solution with the least complicating or problematic consequences.

Here he is, folks, yet another responsible, law-abiding gun owner who thinks the solution to life's ordinary dilemmas is to shoot them.

Not what I said at all.

I was implying that the police are less than reliable.

Also, some people FREAKED when Arizona passed its "Papers, please" law; I figured that some of those same people would be on the same page here.


This is a thread about police abusing their authority, not being unreliable. "Some people say police are the only people who should have guns" implies you think other people should have guns. Why? In the context of this thread, that must mean to deal with abusive police.

Backtrack all you want. Your statement speaks for itself.
 
2013-05-22 06:07:37 PM
They've been doing that since the 70's. Nothing new about that.
 
2013-05-22 06:09:19 PM

gilgigamesh: iheartscotch: hardinparamedic: iheartscotch: Remember, the police are the only people that some people say should have guns.

I get the feeling you're inferring that people should use their firearms to attack police by that statement. Otherwise,

Nope. I'm just implying that the police are less than reliable concerning corruption.

So why were you implying, in a thread about police abusing their authority, that minority New Yorkers would be better off if they were permitted to carry firearms?

I am a black guy who lives in a state that allows you to conceal carry with a permit. If I got stopped for questioning while unarmed, I would probably get hassled a bit and lose some time from my day.

If I got stopped and the cops found a concealed gun on me that I had every right to possess, I would count myself lucky to walk away alive.

Cops don't like it when you are an armed minority, and they won't hesitate to explain it to you directly.


I don't know what to say... damn that sucks, but I know it happens. After 9/11 my uncle and aunt (interracial Marge) got pulled over while driving a white van, they had moving company. Cop walks up looks at them and says oh you're not the type we're looking for and they drive off. My uncle said that was the easiest stop he ever had the cop didn't even card him.
 
2013-05-22 06:10:53 PM
er marriage not marge
/I need to drink more to get over this hangover.
 
2013-05-22 06:11:21 PM

hardinparamedic: iheartscotch: Remember, the police are the only people that some people say should have guns.

I get the feeling you're inferring that people should use their firearms to attack police by that statement. Otherwise,


iheartscotch implies, you infer.
 
2013-05-22 06:11:54 PM

illannoyin: [ecx.images-amazon.com image 341x500]

I think she's hiding something. Get in there and check it out Lou.


A giant red snapper?
 
2013-05-22 06:15:00 PM

pit and pendulum: They've been doing that since the 1770's. Nothing new about that.


Police corruption has existed in the United States of America since there was a United States of America
 
2013-05-22 06:17:12 PM

cman: HOLY CRAP look at the minority to white ratio.

This policy is complete madness.

They are targeting minorities.


Maybe if minorities would learn to behave they wouldn't draw attention to themselves and get stopped.
 
2013-05-22 06:18:38 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: er marriage not marge
/I need to drink more to get over this hangover.


I was hoping for a pic of what an interracial Marge may look like.
 
2013-05-22 06:18:48 PM
I'd like to see the numbers on racial break-down of poverty in NYC next to those arrest numbers too.

It could be racism, or it could be good old fashioned oppression of the under-class.
 
2013-05-22 06:20:44 PM

PortWineBoy: When the stop and frisk is initiated the cop will typically ask "do you have anything in your pockets I should know about?" and may be specific about needles/blades/guns or drugs.

If you say "no" and they search and find weed, once they pull it out of your pocket it's in open view.


Who puts weed in their pockets with the belief that it's something the police should know about?

/you left out the proper answer to the question
//say nothing
 
2013-05-22 06:29:03 PM
HOW COULD WE HAVE SEEN THIS COMING?!?

i.imgur.com
 
2013-05-22 06:29:14 PM

AbbeySomeone: tinfoil-hat maggie: er marriage not marge
/I need to drink more to get over this hangover.

I was hoping for a pic of what an interracial Marge may look like.


LoL, I'm sorta curious myself now : )
 
2013-05-22 06:37:01 PM
Smokin' evidence.
 
2013-05-22 06:44:51 PM

gilgigamesh: iheartscotch: hardinparamedic: iheartscotch: Remember, the police are the only people that some people say should have guns.

I get the feeling you're inferring that people should use their firearms to attack police by that statement. Otherwise,

Nope. I'm just implying that the police are less than reliable concerning corruption.

So why were you implying, in a thread about police abusing their authority, that minority New Yorkers would be better off if they were permitted to carry firearms?

I am a black guy who lives in a state that allows you to conceal carry with a permit. If I got stopped for questioning while unarmed, I would probably get hassled a bit and lose some time from my day.

If I got stopped and the cops found a concealed gun on me that I had every right to possess, I would count myself lucky to walk away alive.

Cops don't like it when you are an armed minority, and they won't hesitate to explain it to you directly.


I am implying that any citizen of the United States , without a felony on their record, with a valid conceal carry licence, to carry a firearm. No matter if that person is white, black, yellow, mango or tangerine.

If anyone who has a conceal carry gets stopped; it causes a little delay in there day.

/ I'm not advocating someone shoot a police officer in anyway; I'm not implying one should or would use a gun to shoot a police officer
 
2013-05-22 06:46:54 PM
Hey...I remember that game!

www.nuclearsalad.com
 
2013-05-22 06:46:59 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: AbbeySomeone: tinfoil-hat maggie: er marriage not marge
/I need to drink more to get over this hangover.

I was hoping for a pic of what an interracial Marge may look like.

LoL, I'm sorta curious myself now : )


Here ya go :)

i3.photobucket.com
 
2013-05-22 06:48:03 PM

quickdraw: tinfoil-hat maggie: AbbeySomeone: tinfoil-hat maggie: er marriage not marge
/I need to drink more to get over this hangover.

I was hoping for a pic of what an interracial Marge may look like.

LoL, I'm sorta curious myself now : )

Here ya go :)

[i3.photobucket.com image 533x800]


sorry - forgot to note that Marge is the baby.
 
2013-05-22 06:48:33 PM

fawlty: This from a liberal Mayor in a liberal city.  Now, explain to me again how "progressives" are such better, more tolerant and understanding, people than conservatives.


What Mayor and what city are you talking about? If it's New York, Michael Bloomberg is a out-of-the-closet Republican running a just-to-the-left-of-the-Stasi police department. There is NOTHING liberal about him or them. The only difference I can see between Bloomberg and people like the Koch Bros is that he has no use for funditards.
 
2013-05-22 06:48:51 PM
Also wanted to add that, as a white boy, I love toking up for a stroll around Manhattan.

/how ya doin' ossifer
 
2013-05-22 06:51:56 PM

quickdraw: quickdraw: tinfoil-hat maggie: AbbeySomeone: tinfoil-hat maggie: er marriage not marge
/I need to drink more to get over this hangover.

I was hoping for a pic of what an interracial Marge may look like.

LoL, I'm sorta curious myself now : )

Here ya go :)

[i3.photobucket.com image 533x800]

sorry - forgot to note that Marge is the baby.


Cute kid, and yea I sorta guessed although ya never know.
 
2013-05-22 06:55:42 PM
A truer (yet understated) snarky fark headline has never been written.
 
2013-05-22 07:04:52 PM
PortWineBoy: Nib: dj_bigbird: If they decriminalized weed in NY, the cops would have almost nothing to do.

It is decriminalized in NY actually.

NYC decriminalized weed to some extent, but forbids it from open view.  When the stop and frisk is initiated the cop will typically ask "do you have anything in your pockets I should know about?" and may be specific about needles/blades/guns or drugs.

If you say "no" and they search and find weed, once they pull it out of your pocket it's in open view.  You get arrested.  You also get charged with perjury for lying to the cop which is the real trigger for the arrest.

If you say "yes" and they search and find weed, once they pull it out of your pocket it's in open view.  You get a summons.

Once "summoned" to court if you are white you will likely get a ACD, adjournment contemplating dismissal. If you are good for X amount of time they will tear up your record.  If you are black or hispanic you probably go to Rikers, where depending on your priors, you either get welcomed with open arms or you learn about a whole new way of life.

And THIS system is a HUGE improvement on the one we had a few years ago.  Thanks Nelson Rockefeller!


I was wondering about this, as there was this comment in the article:

If you get stopped and frisk, don't take the pot out. Let the cop take the pot out himself. ALWAYS let the cop take it out of your pocket himself, regardless of what he says to you.

Another comment was to reply "I have nothing in my pockets that can hurt you", but I don't know how well that one would go over if someone actually said it.
 
2013-05-22 07:09:21 PM
Always wondered if all the booze consifcated (hic!) by the Chicago PD at Taste of Chicago & Grant Park July 4th fireworks went to a farking AMAZING July 5th CPD-only party...
 
2013-05-22 07:19:18 PM

fat_free: Always wondered if all the booze consifcated (hic!) by the Chicago PD at Taste of Chicago & Grant Park July 4th fireworks went to a farking AMAZING July 5th CPD-only party...


To be fair, the only time I've ever seen CPD hassling people about alcohol is at the beach, and it was almost almost black or hispanic families/groups. It pissed me off that cops were spending their time trying to find booze when the "wildings" were robbing people and beating them blind via flash mob less than a mile away.

Someone got beaten and robbed 3 blocks away from North Ave Beach on inner lake shore where there were at least 2-4 cops every city block looking for people with booze at the beach....on a weekday. CPD and McCarthy are pretty much worthless in my opinion.
 
2013-05-22 07:24:28 PM

iheartscotch: gilgigamesh: iheartscotch: hardinparamedic: iheartscotch: Remember, the police are the only people that some people say should have guns.

I get the feeling you're inferring that people should use their firearms to attack police by that statement. Otherwise,

Nope. I'm just implying that the police are less than reliable concerning corruption.

So why were you implying, in a thread about police abusing their authority, that minority New Yorkers would be better off if they were permitted to carry firearms?

I am a black guy who lives in a state that allows you to conceal carry with a permit. If I got stopped for questioning while unarmed, I would probably get hassled a bit and lose some time from my day.

If I got stopped and the cops found a concealed gun on me that I had every right to possess, I would count myself lucky to walk away alive.

Cops don't like it when you are an armed minority, and they won't hesitate to explain it to you directly.

I am implying that any citizen of the United States , without a felony on their record, with a valid conceal carry licence, to carry a firearm. No matter if that person is white, black, yellow, mango or tangerine.

If anyone who has a conceal carry gets stopped; it causes a little delay in there day.

/ I'm not advocating someone shoot a police officer in anyway; I'm not implying one should or would use a gun to shoot a police officer


No, he's saying that he wouldn't put it past some pig to make his day a living hell simply by virtue of being an armed minority. Hell, I'm white and almost got shot by a cop who, if not for his partner, might have gone totally off the deep end and shot me.

The thing about your average cop is that they are the types of personalities that would LEAST trust with a weapon, let alone arrest powers.
 
2013-05-22 07:26:22 PM

redmid17: fat_free: Always wondered if all the booze consifcated (hic!) by the Chicago PD at Taste of Chicago & Grant Park July 4th fireworks went to a farking AMAZING July 5th CPD-only party...

To be fair, the only time I've ever seen CPD hassling people about alcohol is at the beach, and it was almost almost black or hispanic families/groups. It pissed me off that cops were spending their time trying to find booze when the "wildings" were robbing people and beating them blind via flash mob less than a mile away.

Someone got beaten and robbed 3 blocks away from North Ave Beach on inner lake shore where there were at least 2-4 cops every city block looking for people with booze at the beach....on a weekday. CPD and McCarthy are pretty much worthless in my opinion.


This. Anyone who calls the cops does so as a last resort or because the situation (legally) mandates it: accidents, theft, etc.
 
2013-05-22 07:27:38 PM

miss diminutive: Remind me never to travel to New York as a black person.


Dear, you should never travel anywhere as a black person; it would be racist, in your case.
 
2013-05-22 07:28:52 PM

pxlboy: The thing about your average cop is that they are the types of personalities that would LEAST trust with a weapon, let alone arrest powers.


This unfortunately can be very true.
/ And yea I've known some cool cops that weren't that way
//But it only takes one that is
 
2013-05-22 07:32:52 PM

gilgigamesh: iheartscotch: hardinparamedic: iheartscotch: Remember, the police are the only people that some people say should have guns.

I get the feeling you're inferring that people should use their firearms to attack police by that statement. Otherwise,

Nope. I'm just implying that the police are less than reliable concerning corruption.

So why were you implying, in a thread about police abusing their authority, that minority New Yorkers would be better off if they were permitted to carry firearms?


I read it as sarcastic criticism of the notion that cops are more trustworthy than citizens, not an exhortation to carry weapons.
 
2013-05-22 07:32:54 PM

miss diminutive: Remind me never to travel to New York as a black person.


we'll actually need more evidence to verify the veracity of your claim. People pretend to be all kinds of things on the intarwebs.
 
2013-05-22 07:37:12 PM

gilgigamesh: If I got stopped and the cops found a concealed gun on me that I had every right to possess, I would count myself lucky to walk away alive.


Funny. I've been pulled over twice packing, neither time has the cop freaked out on me and tried to shoot me in the face.
 
2013-05-22 07:40:09 PM

hardinparamedic: gilgigamesh: If I got stopped and the cops found a concealed gun on me that I had every right to possess, I would count myself lucky to walk away alive.

Funny. I've been pulled over twice packing, neither time has the cop freaked out on me and tried to shoot me in the face.


You're white.
 
2013-05-22 07:42:35 PM

redmid17: hardinparamedic: gilgigamesh: If I got stopped and the cops found a concealed gun on me that I had every right to possess, I would count myself lucky to walk away alive.

Funny. I've been pulled over twice packing, neither time has the cop freaked out on me and tried to shoot me in the face.

You're white.


True. It's good to be in charge.

Also, that's not the only reason. I'm also a member of the Neptunati.
 
2013-05-22 07:42:41 PM
I've been conducting an informal poll and it seems that the majority of those who complain about the mayor of NYC also think that he's a Democrat.
 
2013-05-22 07:42:58 PM

PortWineBoy: Nib: dj_bigbird: 
If you say "no" and they search and find weed, once they pull it out of your pocket it's in open view.  You get arrested.  You also get charged with perjury for lying to the cop which is the real trigger for the arrest.


perjury happens in court, when you lie under oath. lying to a cop is completely legal, it just pisses them off.
 
2013-05-22 07:43:33 PM

Stone Meadow: fawlty: This from a liberal Mayor in a liberal city.  Now, explain to me again how "progressives" are such better, more tolerant and understanding, people than conservatives.

What Mayor and what city are you talking about? If it's New York, Michael Bloomberg is a out-of-the-closet Republican running a just-to-the-left-of-the-Stasi police department. There is NOTHING liberal about him or them. The only difference I can see between Bloomberg and people like the Koch Bros is that he has no use for funditards.


Always so cute how liberals can choose which party someone is as long as they are doing something wrong.

Is there any liberal that has ever done anything wrong? Or is it as soon as they do something you disagree with they are republican?
 
2013-05-22 07:47:22 PM
You are all idiots if you don't agree with racial profiling. Read the statistics--it WORKS.


Quit using the catch phrase...call it "criminal profiling" if that makes you sleep better at night.
 
2013-05-22 07:49:03 PM

hardinparamedic: redmid17: hardinparamedic: gilgigamesh: If I got stopped and the cops found a concealed gun on me that I had every right to possess, I would count myself lucky to walk away alive.

Funny. I've been pulled over twice packing, neither time has the cop freaked out on me and tried to shoot me in the face.

You're white.

True. It's good to be in charge.

Also, that's not the only reason. I'm also a member of the Neptunati.


Are you going to be at the Bilderberg conference this year? I'm going to need a drinking buddy and you know how exclusive the Rockefellers and Kennedy's can be.
 
2013-05-22 07:49:12 PM
FTFA: "Surveys have shown that <a data-cke-saved-href="http://www.oas.samhsa.gov/NSDUH/2k7NSDUH/tabs/Sec t1peTabs1to46.htm#Tab 1.26B">whites use marijuana at higher rates than blacks or Hispanics"

No, that's a faulty analysis of the results of that survey. Should read, "...whites lie on surveys at a much lower rate than blacks or Hispanics."
 
2013-05-22 07:50:29 PM

BarkingUnicorn: miss diminutive: Remind me never to travel to New York as a black person.

Dear, you should never travel anywhere as a black person; it would be racist, in your case.


Plus, it's all...ILLEGAL and shiat to wear their skin as a Halloween costume, blackface or no.

// goddamn liberals is why
 
2013-05-22 07:50:47 PM

gilgigamesh: Remember everyone: racism is dead and gone, and you're the real racist for looking at statistics that clearly demonstrate otherwise.


Black cops are involved.  Is it still racism when a block cop profiles a black youth?
 
2013-05-22 07:53:30 PM

OgreMagi: gilgigamesh: Remember everyone: racism is dead and gone, and you're the real racist for looking at statistics that clearly demonstrate otherwise.

Black cops are involved.  Is it still racism when a block cop profiles a black youth?


...yes?
 
2013-05-22 08:01:02 PM

redmid17: hardinparamedic: redmid17: hardinparamedic: gilgigamesh: If I got stopped and the cops found a concealed gun on me that I had every right to possess, I would count myself lucky to walk away alive.

Funny. I've been pulled over twice packing, neither time has the cop freaked out on me and tried to shoot me in the face.

You're white.

True. It's good to be in charge.

Also, that's not the only reason. I'm also a member of the Neptunati.

Are you going to be at the Bilderberg conference this year? I'm going to need a drinking buddy and you know how exclusive the Rockefellers and Kennedy's can be.


Could we please discuss what costumes we're wearing this year because last time it was so embarrassing to show up and everyone is wearing the same thing.
 
2013-05-22 08:02:42 PM

nburghmatt: PortWineBoy: Nib: dj_bigbird: 
If you say "no" and they search and find weed, once they pull it out of your pocket it's in open view.  You get arrested.  You also get charged with perjury for lying to the cop which is the real trigger for the arrest.

perjury happens in court, when you lie under oath. lying to a cop is completely legal, it just pisses them off.


"Making false statements to police" and "obstructing an investigation" are real things.
 
2013-05-22 08:03:14 PM

Dafatone: OgreMagi: gilgigamesh: Remember everyone: racism is dead and gone, and you're the real racist for looking at statistics that clearly demonstrate otherwise.

Black cops are involved.  Is it still racism when a block cop profiles a black youth?

...yes?


Discrimination isn't always racism, nor is it always bad. Which of the following groups would you *not* cross the street to avoid?

static.flickr.com

www.streetgangs.com
us.123rf.com

ronepraisecleveland.files.wordpress.com

That's discrimination. But it isn't racist.
 
2013-05-22 08:04:46 PM

stainpouch: I've been conducting an informal poll and it seems that the majority of those who complain about the mayor of NYC also think that he's a Democrat.


Given he changes his political party so often, it's kind of hard to keep up.  He was a democrat, then he was a republican, now he's an independent.   Though I can't guarantee he's still an independent at this very moment.
 
2013-05-22 08:07:53 PM

miss diminutive: Remind me never to travel to New York as a black person.


Or as any person that values things like, their rights.
 
2013-05-22 08:09:16 PM

BarkingUnicorn: nburghmatt: PortWineBoy: Nib: dj_bigbird:
If you say "no" and they search and find weed, once they pull it out of your pocket it's in open view.  You get arrested.  You also get charged with perjury for lying to the cop which is the real trigger for the arrest.

perjury happens in court, when you lie under oath. lying to a cop is completely legal, it just pisses them off.

"Making false statements to police" and "obstructing an investigation" are real things.


Yep, hence...
Do not talk to the police part 1
 
2013-05-22 08:13:58 PM

BarkingUnicorn: nburghmatt: PortWineBoy: Nib: dj_bigbird: 
If you say "no" and they search and find weed, once they pull it out of your pocket it's in open view.  You get arrested.  You also get charged with perjury for lying to the cop which is the real trigger for the arrest.

perjury happens in court, when you lie under oath. lying to a cop is completely legal, it just pisses them off.

"Making false statements to police" and "obstructing an investigation" are real things.


a crime has to have already occurred in both cases.
 
2013-05-22 08:19:02 PM
Let me start off by saying that I have serious issues with stop and frisk due to the  Constituional Issues -rascism- and the abuse of power it is leading  to -Bloomberg wants to install remote body scanners on patrol cars.

But if you actually look at the crime rates as well as the  decline in gun possession arrests since the policy was institued then yes it is a freaking success! the article only deals with 2012 records, the low weapons find rate is due ot the  fact  that the  criminal element -well at least the  minority ones- has learned that  they stand a good chance of a gun bust if they carry their piece around town.

While the  Terry Decision procliamed this constituional, there are serious issues in NYNY since they seem to think they do not have apply this to us honkies which is a whole other matter of Constutional questions

As for whining about a posession charge then I guess one should be smart enough to leave the  herb at home untill it is legalized - you know common sense
 
2013-05-22 08:22:30 PM

Azlefty: Let me start off by saying that I have serious issues with stop and frisk due to the  Constituional Issues -rascism- and the abuse of power it is leading  to -Bloomberg wants to install remote body scanners on patrol cars.

But if you actually look at the crime rates as well as the  decline in gun possession arrests since the policy was institued then yes it is a freaking success! the article only deals with 2012 records, the low weapons find rate is due ot the  fact  that the  criminal element -well at least the  minority ones- has learned that  they stand a good chance of a gun bust if they carry their piece around town.

While the  Terry Decision procliamed this constituional, there are serious issues in NYNY since they seem to think they do not have apply this to us honkies which is a whole other matter of Constutional questions

As for whining about a posession charge then I guess one should be smart enough to leave the  herb at home untill it is legalized - you know common sense


Congratulations, you graduated to the "It's okay to violate laws it people get arrested" school of thought. At this rate, you might hit 8th grade civics before you die.
 
2013-05-22 09:01:14 PM

nburghmatt: BarkingUnicorn: nburghmatt: PortWineBoy: Nib: dj_bigbird: 
If you say "no" and they search and find weed, once they pull it out of your pocket it's in open view.  You get arrested.  You also get charged with perjury for lying to the cop which is the real trigger for the arrest.

perjury happens in court, when you lie under oath. lying to a cop is completely legal, it just pisses them off.

"Making false statements to police" and "obstructing an investigation" are real things.

a crime has to have already occurred in both cases.


Actually, no.  Police need only a reasonable suspicion that a crime has occurred, is occurring, or is about to occur in order to investigate. See Terry Stop.
 
2013-05-22 09:17:36 PM

BarkingUnicorn: nburghmatt: BarkingUnicorn: nburghmatt: PortWineBoy: Nib: dj_bigbird: 
If you say "no" and they search and find weed, once they pull it out of your pocket it's in open view.  You get arrested.  You also get charged with perjury for lying to the cop which is the real trigger for the arrest.

perjury happens in court, when you lie under oath. lying to a cop is completely legal, it just pisses them off.

"Making false statements to police" and "obstructing an investigation" are real things.

a crime has to have already occurred in both cases.

Actually, no.  Police need only a reasonable suspicion that a crime has occurred, is occurring, or is about to occur in order to investigate. See Terry Stop.


shiat. another vague law that is basically a license to do anything at any time.
 
2013-05-22 09:18:56 PM

hardinparamedic: gilgigamesh: If I got stopped and the cops found a concealed gun on me that I had every right to possess, I would count myself lucky to walk away alive.

Funny. I've been pulled over twice packing, neither time has the cop freaked out on me and tried to shoot me in the face.


Due to some idiot relatives (by marriage, thank dog) acting the fool, I have had to deal with cops 4 times in the last month.  Each time they approach me I identify I have a concealed weapon and it's location.  All 4 times they have looked me over, shrugged their shoulder, and we conducted whatever business they came for.

/white & middle aged
//guess it makes a difference?
 
2013-05-22 09:21:09 PM

nburghmatt: BarkingUnicorn: nburghmatt: PortWineBoy: Nib: dj_bigbird: 
If you say "no" and they search and find weed, once they pull it out of your pocket it's in open view.  You get arrested.  You also get charged with perjury for lying to the cop which is the real trigger for the arrest.

perjury happens in court, when you lie under oath. lying to a cop is completely legal, it just pisses them off.

"Making false statements to police" and "obstructing an investigation" are real things.

a crime has to have already occurred in both cases.


True, but you don't have to be the one who committed it. They just have to be "investigating" it. And there are a lot of crimes occurring all the time.
 
2013-05-22 09:21:57 PM
www.rockworldeast.com
 
2013-05-22 09:23:24 PM

nburghmatt: BarkingUnicorn: nburghmatt: BarkingUnicorn: nburghmatt: PortWineBoy: Nib: dj_bigbird:
If you say "no" and they search and find weed, once they pull it out of your pocket it's in open view.  You get arrested.  You also get charged with perjury for lying to the cop which is the real trigger for the arrest.

perjury happens in court, when you lie under oath. lying to a cop is completely legal, it just pisses them off.

"Making false statements to police" and "obstructing an investigation" are real things.

a crime has to have already occurred in both cases.

Actually, no.  Police need only a reasonable suspicion that a crime has occurred, is occurring, or is about to occur in order to investigate. See Terry Stop.

shiat. another vague law that is basically a license to do anything at any time.


Yep and that's the way they like it.
/Who is they?
 
2013-05-22 09:30:46 PM

nburghmatt: BarkingUnicorn: nburghmatt: BarkingUnicorn: nburghmatt: PortWineBoy: Nib: dj_bigbird: 
If you say "no" and they search and find weed, once they pull it out of your pocket it's in open view.  You get arrested.  You also get charged with perjury for lying to the cop which is the real trigger for the arrest.

perjury happens in court, when you lie under oath. lying to a cop is completely legal, it just pisses them off.

"Making false statements to police" and "obstructing an investigation" are real things.

a crime has to have already occurred in both cases.

Actually, no.  Police need only a reasonable suspicion that a crime has occurred, is occurring, or is about to occur in order to investigate. See Terry Stop.

shiat. another vague law that is basically a license to do anything at any time.


Well, really, it makes perfect sense.  Ideally, cops should be investigating before crimes occur in order to prevent them. If the investigation aborts a contemplated crime, that's a good thing.  If you don't want to help, fine, you don't have to answer questions (except for stating your name, in some States).  But if you do answer questions, lies obstruct the investigation, may throw police off track, and aid the commission of a crime or its discovery.

Refusing to answer questions may get you threatened with obstruction, but it's a bluff.  Some very foolish cops will carry the bluff as far as arresting you.  The charge won't stick.
 
2013-05-22 10:43:55 PM
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

WTF!?!?
 
2013-05-22 10:50:12 PM

Azlefty: Let me start off by saying that I have serious issues with stop and frisk due to the  Constituional Issues -rascism- and the abuse of power it is leading  to -Bloomberg wants to install remote body scanners on patrol cars.

But if you actually look at the crime rates as well as the  decline in gun possession arrests since the policy was institued then yes it is a freaking success! the article only deals with 2012 records, the low weapons find rate is due ot the  fact  that the  criminal element -well at least the  minority ones- has learned that  they stand a good chance of a gun bust if they carry their piece around town.

While the  Terry Decision procliamed this constituional, there are serious issues in NYNY since they seem to think they do not have apply this to us honkies which is a whole other matter of Constutional questions

As for whining about a posession charge then I guess one should be smart enough to leave the  herb at home untill it is legalized - you know common sense


The problem with the Terry Decision is how the police misrepresent the court's findings.  The police proclaim it an expansion of power that allows them to search anyone at any time.  The fact is the Terry case was a LIMIT on police power, stating the police can only do a warrantless search when there is a very clear possibility of a danger to the police officer while investigating a crime.  NYPD has extended this to "we don't like how you look, so we consider that a potential crime.  And we are afraid of your looks, which constitutes an immediate threat."  Eventually the courts are going to slap the shiat out of NYC for this gross violation of the Constitution.
 
2013-05-22 10:59:01 PM

uncleacid: And free cat food.


Cat food?! Fookin' prawns.
 
2013-05-22 11:07:52 PM

OgreMagi: Azlefty: Let me start off by saying that I have serious issues with stop and frisk due to the  Constituional Issues -rascism- and the abuse of power it is leading  to -Bloomberg wants to install remote body scanners on patrol cars.

But if you actually look at the crime rates as well as the  decline in gun possession arrests since the policy was institued then yes it is a freaking success! the article only deals with 2012 records, the low weapons find rate is due ot the  fact  that the  criminal element -well at least the  minority ones- has learned that  they stand a good chance of a gun bust if they carry their piece around town.

While the  Terry Decision procliamed this constituional, there are serious issues in NYNY since they seem to think they do not have apply this to us honkies which is a whole other matter of Constutional questions

As for whining about a posession charge then I guess one should be smart enough to leave the  herb at home untill it is legalized - you know common sense

The problem with the Terry Decision is how the police misrepresent the court's findings.  The police proclaim it an expansion of power that allows them to search anyone at any time.  The fact is the Terry case was a LIMIT on police power, stating the police can only do a warrantless search when there is a very clear possibility of a danger to the police officer while investigating a crime.  NYPD has extended this to "we don't like how you look, so we consider that a potential crime.  And we are afraid of your looks, which constitutes an immediate threat."  Eventually the courts are going to slap the shiat out of NYC for this gross violation of the Constitution.


You will learn to like it citizen....
 
2013-05-23 12:04:07 AM

redmid17: hardinparamedic: redmid17: hardinparamedic: gilgigamesh: If I got stopped and the cops found a concealed gun on me that I had every right to possess, I would count myself lucky to walk away alive.

Funny. I've been pulled over twice packing, neither time has the cop freaked out on me and tried to shoot me in the face.

You're white.

True. It's good to be in charge.

Also, that's not the only reason. I'm also a member of the Neptunati.

Are you going to be at the Bilderberg conference this year? I'm going to need a drinking buddy and you know how exclusive the Rockefellers and Kennedy's can be.


The Bilderbergs? HAHAHAHAH. They're just a front to keep the Five Jew Bankers from finding out we have the spear of Poseidon.

Besides, there is about 13 ritualistic murders between you and the good stuff, neophyte. Get to stabbin'.
 
2013-05-23 12:06:44 AM

hardinparamedic: redmid17: hardinparamedic: redmid17: hardinparamedic: gilgigamesh: If I got stopped and the cops found a concealed gun on me that I had every right to possess, I would count myself lucky to walk away alive.

Funny. I've been pulled over twice packing, neither time has the cop freaked out on me and tried to shoot me in the face.

You're white.

True. It's good to be in charge.

Also, that's not the only reason. I'm also a member of the Neptunati.

Are you going to be at the Bilderberg conference this year? I'm going to need a drinking buddy and you know how exclusive the Rockefellers and Kennedy's can be.

The Bilderbergs? HAHAHAHAH. They're just a front to keep the Five Jew Bankers from finding out we have the spear of Poseidon.

Besides, there is about 13 ritualistic murders between you and the good stuff, neophyte. Get to stabbin'.


Not again....
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-05-23 12:10:57 AM

redmid17: hardinparamedic: redmid17: hardinparamedic: redmid17: hardinparamedic: gilgigamesh: If I got stopped and the cops found a concealed gun on me that I had every right to possess, I would count myself lucky to walk away alive.

Funny. I've been pulled over twice packing, neither time has the cop freaked out on me and tried to shoot me in the face.

You're white.

True. It's good to be in charge.

Also, that's not the only reason. I'm also a member of the Neptunati.

Are you going to be at the Bilderberg conference this year? I'm going to need a drinking buddy and you know how exclusive the Rockefellers and Kennedy's can be.

The Bilderbergs? HAHAHAHAH. They're just a front to keep the Five Jew Bankers from finding out we have the spear of Poseidon.

Besides, there is about 13 ritualistic murders between you and the good stuff, neophyte. Get to stabbin'.

Not again....
[25.media.tumblr.com image 238x289]


i13.photobucket.com

Excellent work, Mort Vader.
 
2013-05-23 01:38:32 AM

Z1P2: miss diminutive: Remind me never to travel to New York as a black person.

Or as any person that values things like, their rights.

If you're Black and are also armed, you may as well report directly to prison or to the morgue--they choose which one (you may luck out and get both!).  The police are arresting scores of individuals (travelers/tourists mostly) who are acting in good faith and trying to comply with the law, but when they seek information (even if they possess valid gun registration as well as permits to carry from out of state) and admit to being in possession of a weapon, they are immediately arrested and face a hefty fine and up to three years in the state pen.  Hunters on their way to shooting pheasants in South Dakota end up serving three years in Attica for merely changing planes at La Guardia?   Ah......apparently..........that could happen and probably has many times.  Their draconian laws have yet to be challenged, or at least that's my understanding.

 
2013-05-23 04:55:31 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: You will learn to like it citizen....


Sorry to harsh your mellow by pointing out the intelligent thing to do, until Terry is revisited they are allowed to do this and a person who actually thought past the next bowl would realize that carrying your herb around in a good way to get busted
 
2013-05-23 04:58:30 AM

OgreMagi: The problem with the Terry Decision is how the police misrepresent the court's findings. The police proclaim it an expansion of power that allows them to search anyone at any time. The fact is the Terry case was a LIMIT on police power, stating the police can only do a warrantless search when there is a very clear possibility of a danger to the police officer while investigating a crime. NYPD has extended this to "we don't like how you look, so we consider that a potential crime. And we are afraid of your looks, which constitutes an immediate threat." Eventually the courts are going to slap the shiat out of NYC for this gross violation of the Constitution.


Exactly and until the courts slap it down they will keep doing it and those who are unable to comprehend that the cops will bust you over your dime bag will continue to get arrested, I find it hard to feel sorry for them when a coherent thought can prevent to Cops from finding your weed upon you.
 
2013-05-23 05:02:23 AM

redmid17: Congratulations, you graduated to the "It's okay to violate laws it people get arrested" school of thought. At this rate, you might hit 8th grade civics before you die.


Congratulations you have no reading comprehension! Until the Terry Decision is revisited and changed the only ones violating laws are those the Cops bust, You might try a Civic class to learn about how this works.

The Constitution and Supreme Court, how do they work?
 
2013-05-23 06:08:55 AM

Azlefty: redmid17: Congratulations, you graduated to the "It's okay to violate laws it people get arrested" school of thought. At this rate, you might hit 8th grade civics before you die.

Congratulations you have no reading comprehension! Until the Terry Decision is revisited and changed the only ones violating laws are those the Cops bust, You might try a Civic class to learn about how this works.

The Constitution and Supreme Court, how do they work?


The Terry decision needs to be obeyed more than it needs to be changed.  It's pretty simple and reasonable.

Police can stop and question a citizen only if they have a reasonable, articulable suspicion that the citizen has, is, or is about to commit a crime.

Police can frisk a citizen only when they have a reasonable suspicion that the citizen bears a weapon that poses a threat to officer safety.

The NYPD is totally ignoring the Terry decision's constraints.  What we need is a ginormous damages award against NYC and a tight leash on the NYPD held by the DoJ.

For example, 532K stops were conducted in 2012 and 476K (89%) resulted in no summons or arrest.  "Furtive movement" is the most common reason given, in over half of stops.  It  seems a lot of suspicions may have been unreasonable and inarticulate.

55.8% of 2012's stops led to frisks, but only 2% of frisks produced weapons.  Compared to other "racial" groups, blacks and Latinos were far more likely to be frisked and far less likely to be found with weapons..

Only about 8.5% of frisks produced any contraband including weapons and weed.

The ACLU's report makes my blood boil.  It provides a lot of good fodder for informed discussion.

http://www.nyclu.org/files/publications/2012_Report_NYCLU_0.pdf
 
2013-05-23 08:23:46 AM

cman: HOLY CRAP look at the minority to white ratio.

This policy is complete madness.

They are targeting minorities.



Look, it's not the cop's fault that minorities look more suspicious.
 
2013-05-23 09:00:02 AM
Wow.  Not in the south.  Feature that.
 
2013-05-23 09:27:28 AM

Azlefty: redmid17: Congratulations, you graduated to the "It's okay to violate laws it people get arrested" school of thought. At this rate, you might hit 8th grade civics before you die.

Congratulations you have no reading comprehension! Until the Terry Decision is revisited and changed the only ones violating laws are those the Cops bust, You might try a Civic class to learn about how this works.

The Constitution and Supreme Court, how do they work?


Jesus you're an idiot. Just because you type things on the Internet doesn't make them true. Actually learn what Terry allows before you open your mouth again. It'll keep you from further embarrassing yourself.
 
2013-05-23 11:15:33 AM

untaken_name: Dafatone: OgreMagi: gilgigamesh: Remember everyone: racism is dead and gone, and you're the real racist for looking at statistics that clearly demonstrate otherwise.

Black cops are involved.  Is it still racism when a block cop profiles a black youth?

...yes?

Discrimination isn't always racism, nor is it always bad. Which of the following groups would you *not* cross the street to avoid?

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That's discrimination. But it isn't racist.


Probably just the Hispanic ones, maybe the white guys with guns as well, the Asian crips up top? Probably not. And the black guys? Definitely not unless I have my black friend with me, he can be confrontational.
 
2013-05-23 05:26:32 PM

Azlefty: redmid17: Congratulations, you graduated to the "It's okay to violate laws it people get arrested" school of thought. At this rate, you might hit 8th grade civics before you die.

Congratulations you have no reading comprehension! Until the Terry Decision is revisited and changed the only ones violating laws are those the Cops bust, You might try a Civic class to learn about how this works.

The Constitution and Supreme Court, how do they work?


Terry doesn't need to be revisited.  The court was very clear about it being a LIMITATION on police powers.  What needs to happen is the police need to be reminded of this fact.
 
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