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(Gothamist)   The real reason the NYPD likes stop-and-frisk is not to keep weapons off the street: It's free weed   (gothamist.com) divider line 130
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2013-05-22 05:54:43 PM  

iheartscotch: hardinparamedic: iheartscotch: Remember, the police are the only people that some people say should have guns.

I get the feeling you're inferring that people should use their firearms to attack police by that statement. Otherwise,

Nope. I'm just implying that the police are less than reliable concerning corruption.


So why were you implying, in a thread about police abusing their authority, that minority New Yorkers would be better off if they were permitted to carry firearms?

I am a black guy who lives in a state that allows you to conceal carry with a permit. If I got stopped for questioning while unarmed, I would probably get hassled a bit and lose some time from my day.

If I got stopped and the cops found a concealed gun on me that I had every right to possess, I would count myself lucky to walk away alive.

Cops don't like it when you are an armed minority, and they won't hesitate to explain it to you directly.
 
2013-05-22 05:54:57 PM  

Nib: dj_bigbird: If they decriminalized weed in NY, the cops would have almost nothing to do.

It is decriminalized in NY actually.


NYC decriminalized weed to some extent, but forbids it from open view.  When the stop and frisk is initiated the cop will typically ask "do you have anything in your pockets I should know about?" and may be specific about needles/blades/guns or drugs.

If you say "no" and they search and find weed, once they pull it out of your pocket it's in open view.  You get arrested.  You also get charged with perjury for lying to the cop which is the real trigger for the arrest.

If you say "yes" and they search and find weed, once they pull it out of your pocket it's in open view.  You get a summons.

Once "summoned" to court if you are white you will likely get a ACD, adjournment contemplating dismissal. If you are good for X amount of time they will tear up your record.  If you are black or hispanic you probably go to Rikers, where depending on your priors, you either get welcomed with open arms or you learn about a whole new way of life.

And THIS system is a HUGE improvement on the one we had a few years ago.  Thanks Nelson Rockefeller!
 
2013-05-22 05:56:20 PM  

durbnpoisn: This is not unique to NYC.  My wife and I are friends with wives of cops, and they are always supremely happy whenever a bust goes down.  Then they get to raid the evidence locker.

I think the obvious tag could be bolded and underlined for this story.


This is actually very rare in most PDs, due to mandatory drug testing.
 
2013-05-22 05:56:58 PM  

Elandriel: cman: HOLY CRAP look at the minority to white ratio.

This policy is complete madness.

They are targeting minorities.

This!  This is profiling, through and through.  The NYPD has become truly despicable.


has become? They've been there for awhile. Not sure if they've outstripped the CPD yet though. It's hard to top 45 million bucks over three years in police brutality claims.
 
2013-05-22 05:59:03 PM  

iheartscotch: gilgigamesh: iheartscotch: cman: HOLY CRAP look at the minority to white ratio.

This policy is complete madness.

They are targeting minorities.

Remember, the police are the only people that some people say should have guns.

Yes, because the proper response to a police officer stopping you to do a constitutionally impermissible pat-down is to gun that farker down in his tracks. Clearly that is the solution with the least complicating or problematic consequences.

Here he is, folks, yet another responsible, law-abiding gun owner who thinks the solution to life's ordinary dilemmas is to shoot them.

Not what I said at all.

I was implying that the police are less than reliable.

Also, some people FREAKED when Arizona passed its "Papers, please" law; I figured that some of those same people would be on the same page here.


This is a thread about police abusing their authority, not being unreliable. "Some people say police are the only people who should have guns" implies you think other people should have guns. Why? In the context of this thread, that must mean to deal with abusive police.

Backtrack all you want. Your statement speaks for itself.
 
2013-05-22 06:07:37 PM  
They've been doing that since the 70's. Nothing new about that.
 
2013-05-22 06:09:19 PM  

gilgigamesh: iheartscotch: hardinparamedic: iheartscotch: Remember, the police are the only people that some people say should have guns.

I get the feeling you're inferring that people should use their firearms to attack police by that statement. Otherwise,

Nope. I'm just implying that the police are less than reliable concerning corruption.

So why were you implying, in a thread about police abusing their authority, that minority New Yorkers would be better off if they were permitted to carry firearms?

I am a black guy who lives in a state that allows you to conceal carry with a permit. If I got stopped for questioning while unarmed, I would probably get hassled a bit and lose some time from my day.

If I got stopped and the cops found a concealed gun on me that I had every right to possess, I would count myself lucky to walk away alive.

Cops don't like it when you are an armed minority, and they won't hesitate to explain it to you directly.


I don't know what to say... damn that sucks, but I know it happens. After 9/11 my uncle and aunt (interracial Marge) got pulled over while driving a white van, they had moving company. Cop walks up looks at them and says oh you're not the type we're looking for and they drive off. My uncle said that was the easiest stop he ever had the cop didn't even card him.
 
2013-05-22 06:10:53 PM  
er marriage not marge
/I need to drink more to get over this hangover.
 
2013-05-22 06:11:21 PM  

hardinparamedic: iheartscotch: Remember, the police are the only people that some people say should have guns.

I get the feeling you're inferring that people should use their firearms to attack police by that statement. Otherwise,


iheartscotch implies, you infer.
 
2013-05-22 06:11:54 PM  

illannoyin: [ecx.images-amazon.com image 341x500]

I think she's hiding something. Get in there and check it out Lou.


A giant red snapper?
 
2013-05-22 06:15:00 PM  

pit and pendulum: They've been doing that since the 1770's. Nothing new about that.


Police corruption has existed in the United States of America since there was a United States of America
 
2013-05-22 06:17:12 PM  

cman: HOLY CRAP look at the minority to white ratio.

This policy is complete madness.

They are targeting minorities.


Maybe if minorities would learn to behave they wouldn't draw attention to themselves and get stopped.
 
2013-05-22 06:18:38 PM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: er marriage not marge
/I need to drink more to get over this hangover.


I was hoping for a pic of what an interracial Marge may look like.
 
2013-05-22 06:18:48 PM  
I'd like to see the numbers on racial break-down of poverty in NYC next to those arrest numbers too.

It could be racism, or it could be good old fashioned oppression of the under-class.
 
2013-05-22 06:20:44 PM  

PortWineBoy: When the stop and frisk is initiated the cop will typically ask "do you have anything in your pockets I should know about?" and may be specific about needles/blades/guns or drugs.

If you say "no" and they search and find weed, once they pull it out of your pocket it's in open view.


Who puts weed in their pockets with the belief that it's something the police should know about?

/you left out the proper answer to the question
//say nothing
 
2013-05-22 06:29:03 PM  
HOW COULD WE HAVE SEEN THIS COMING?!?

i.imgur.com
 
2013-05-22 06:29:14 PM  

AbbeySomeone: tinfoil-hat maggie: er marriage not marge
/I need to drink more to get over this hangover.

I was hoping for a pic of what an interracial Marge may look like.


LoL, I'm sorta curious myself now : )
 
2013-05-22 06:37:01 PM  
Smokin' evidence.
 
2013-05-22 06:44:51 PM  

gilgigamesh: iheartscotch: hardinparamedic: iheartscotch: Remember, the police are the only people that some people say should have guns.

I get the feeling you're inferring that people should use their firearms to attack police by that statement. Otherwise,

Nope. I'm just implying that the police are less than reliable concerning corruption.

So why were you implying, in a thread about police abusing their authority, that minority New Yorkers would be better off if they were permitted to carry firearms?

I am a black guy who lives in a state that allows you to conceal carry with a permit. If I got stopped for questioning while unarmed, I would probably get hassled a bit and lose some time from my day.

If I got stopped and the cops found a concealed gun on me that I had every right to possess, I would count myself lucky to walk away alive.

Cops don't like it when you are an armed minority, and they won't hesitate to explain it to you directly.


I am implying that any citizen of the United States , without a felony on their record, with a valid conceal carry licence, to carry a firearm. No matter if that person is white, black, yellow, mango or tangerine.

If anyone who has a conceal carry gets stopped; it causes a little delay in there day.

/ I'm not advocating someone shoot a police officer in anyway; I'm not implying one should or would use a gun to shoot a police officer
 
2013-05-22 06:46:54 PM  
Hey...I remember that game!

www.nuclearsalad.com
 
2013-05-22 06:46:59 PM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: AbbeySomeone: tinfoil-hat maggie: er marriage not marge
/I need to drink more to get over this hangover.

I was hoping for a pic of what an interracial Marge may look like.

LoL, I'm sorta curious myself now : )


Here ya go :)

i3.photobucket.com
 
2013-05-22 06:48:03 PM  

quickdraw: tinfoil-hat maggie: AbbeySomeone: tinfoil-hat maggie: er marriage not marge
/I need to drink more to get over this hangover.

I was hoping for a pic of what an interracial Marge may look like.

LoL, I'm sorta curious myself now : )

Here ya go :)

[i3.photobucket.com image 533x800]


sorry - forgot to note that Marge is the baby.
 
2013-05-22 06:48:33 PM  

fawlty: This from a liberal Mayor in a liberal city.  Now, explain to me again how "progressives" are such better, more tolerant and understanding, people than conservatives.


What Mayor and what city are you talking about? If it's New York, Michael Bloomberg is a out-of-the-closet Republican running a just-to-the-left-of-the-Stasi police department. There is NOTHING liberal about him or them. The only difference I can see between Bloomberg and people like the Koch Bros is that he has no use for funditards.
 
2013-05-22 06:48:51 PM  
Also wanted to add that, as a white boy, I love toking up for a stroll around Manhattan.

/how ya doin' ossifer
 
2013-05-22 06:51:56 PM  

quickdraw: quickdraw: tinfoil-hat maggie: AbbeySomeone: tinfoil-hat maggie: er marriage not marge
/I need to drink more to get over this hangover.

I was hoping for a pic of what an interracial Marge may look like.

LoL, I'm sorta curious myself now : )

Here ya go :)

[i3.photobucket.com image 533x800]

sorry - forgot to note that Marge is the baby.


Cute kid, and yea I sorta guessed although ya never know.
 
2013-05-22 06:55:42 PM  
A truer (yet understated) snarky fark headline has never been written.
 
2013-05-22 07:04:52 PM  
PortWineBoy: Nib: dj_bigbird: If they decriminalized weed in NY, the cops would have almost nothing to do.

It is decriminalized in NY actually.

NYC decriminalized weed to some extent, but forbids it from open view.  When the stop and frisk is initiated the cop will typically ask "do you have anything in your pockets I should know about?" and may be specific about needles/blades/guns or drugs.

If you say "no" and they search and find weed, once they pull it out of your pocket it's in open view.  You get arrested.  You also get charged with perjury for lying to the cop which is the real trigger for the arrest.

If you say "yes" and they search and find weed, once they pull it out of your pocket it's in open view.  You get a summons.

Once "summoned" to court if you are white you will likely get a ACD, adjournment contemplating dismissal. If you are good for X amount of time they will tear up your record.  If you are black or hispanic you probably go to Rikers, where depending on your priors, you either get welcomed with open arms or you learn about a whole new way of life.

And THIS system is a HUGE improvement on the one we had a few years ago.  Thanks Nelson Rockefeller!


I was wondering about this, as there was this comment in the article:

If you get stopped and frisk, don't take the pot out. Let the cop take the pot out himself. ALWAYS let the cop take it out of your pocket himself, regardless of what he says to you.

Another comment was to reply "I have nothing in my pockets that can hurt you", but I don't know how well that one would go over if someone actually said it.
 
2013-05-22 07:09:21 PM  
Always wondered if all the booze consifcated (hic!) by the Chicago PD at Taste of Chicago & Grant Park July 4th fireworks went to a farking AMAZING July 5th CPD-only party...
 
2013-05-22 07:19:18 PM  

fat_free: Always wondered if all the booze consifcated (hic!) by the Chicago PD at Taste of Chicago & Grant Park July 4th fireworks went to a farking AMAZING July 5th CPD-only party...


To be fair, the only time I've ever seen CPD hassling people about alcohol is at the beach, and it was almost almost black or hispanic families/groups. It pissed me off that cops were spending their time trying to find booze when the "wildings" were robbing people and beating them blind via flash mob less than a mile away.

Someone got beaten and robbed 3 blocks away from North Ave Beach on inner lake shore where there were at least 2-4 cops every city block looking for people with booze at the beach....on a weekday. CPD and McCarthy are pretty much worthless in my opinion.
 
2013-05-22 07:24:28 PM  

iheartscotch: gilgigamesh: iheartscotch: hardinparamedic: iheartscotch: Remember, the police are the only people that some people say should have guns.

I get the feeling you're inferring that people should use their firearms to attack police by that statement. Otherwise,

Nope. I'm just implying that the police are less than reliable concerning corruption.

So why were you implying, in a thread about police abusing their authority, that minority New Yorkers would be better off if they were permitted to carry firearms?

I am a black guy who lives in a state that allows you to conceal carry with a permit. If I got stopped for questioning while unarmed, I would probably get hassled a bit and lose some time from my day.

If I got stopped and the cops found a concealed gun on me that I had every right to possess, I would count myself lucky to walk away alive.

Cops don't like it when you are an armed minority, and they won't hesitate to explain it to you directly.

I am implying that any citizen of the United States , without a felony on their record, with a valid conceal carry licence, to carry a firearm. No matter if that person is white, black, yellow, mango or tangerine.

If anyone who has a conceal carry gets stopped; it causes a little delay in there day.

/ I'm not advocating someone shoot a police officer in anyway; I'm not implying one should or would use a gun to shoot a police officer


No, he's saying that he wouldn't put it past some pig to make his day a living hell simply by virtue of being an armed minority. Hell, I'm white and almost got shot by a cop who, if not for his partner, might have gone totally off the deep end and shot me.

The thing about your average cop is that they are the types of personalities that would LEAST trust with a weapon, let alone arrest powers.
 
2013-05-22 07:26:22 PM  

redmid17: fat_free: Always wondered if all the booze consifcated (hic!) by the Chicago PD at Taste of Chicago & Grant Park July 4th fireworks went to a farking AMAZING July 5th CPD-only party...

To be fair, the only time I've ever seen CPD hassling people about alcohol is at the beach, and it was almost almost black or hispanic families/groups. It pissed me off that cops were spending their time trying to find booze when the "wildings" were robbing people and beating them blind via flash mob less than a mile away.

Someone got beaten and robbed 3 blocks away from North Ave Beach on inner lake shore where there were at least 2-4 cops every city block looking for people with booze at the beach....on a weekday. CPD and McCarthy are pretty much worthless in my opinion.


This. Anyone who calls the cops does so as a last resort or because the situation (legally) mandates it: accidents, theft, etc.
 
2013-05-22 07:27:38 PM  

miss diminutive: Remind me never to travel to New York as a black person.


Dear, you should never travel anywhere as a black person; it would be racist, in your case.
 
2013-05-22 07:28:52 PM  

pxlboy: The thing about your average cop is that they are the types of personalities that would LEAST trust with a weapon, let alone arrest powers.


This unfortunately can be very true.
/ And yea I've known some cool cops that weren't that way
//But it only takes one that is
 
2013-05-22 07:32:52 PM  

gilgigamesh: iheartscotch: hardinparamedic: iheartscotch: Remember, the police are the only people that some people say should have guns.

I get the feeling you're inferring that people should use their firearms to attack police by that statement. Otherwise,

Nope. I'm just implying that the police are less than reliable concerning corruption.

So why were you implying, in a thread about police abusing their authority, that minority New Yorkers would be better off if they were permitted to carry firearms?


I read it as sarcastic criticism of the notion that cops are more trustworthy than citizens, not an exhortation to carry weapons.
 
2013-05-22 07:32:54 PM  

miss diminutive: Remind me never to travel to New York as a black person.


we'll actually need more evidence to verify the veracity of your claim. People pretend to be all kinds of things on the intarwebs.
 
2013-05-22 07:37:12 PM  

gilgigamesh: If I got stopped and the cops found a concealed gun on me that I had every right to possess, I would count myself lucky to walk away alive.


Funny. I've been pulled over twice packing, neither time has the cop freaked out on me and tried to shoot me in the face.
 
2013-05-22 07:40:09 PM  

hardinparamedic: gilgigamesh: If I got stopped and the cops found a concealed gun on me that I had every right to possess, I would count myself lucky to walk away alive.

Funny. I've been pulled over twice packing, neither time has the cop freaked out on me and tried to shoot me in the face.


You're white.
 
2013-05-22 07:42:35 PM  

redmid17: hardinparamedic: gilgigamesh: If I got stopped and the cops found a concealed gun on me that I had every right to possess, I would count myself lucky to walk away alive.

Funny. I've been pulled over twice packing, neither time has the cop freaked out on me and tried to shoot me in the face.

You're white.


True. It's good to be in charge.

Also, that's not the only reason. I'm also a member of the Neptunati.
 
2013-05-22 07:42:41 PM  
I've been conducting an informal poll and it seems that the majority of those who complain about the mayor of NYC also think that he's a Democrat.
 
2013-05-22 07:42:58 PM  

PortWineBoy: Nib: dj_bigbird: 
If you say "no" and they search and find weed, once they pull it out of your pocket it's in open view.  You get arrested.  You also get charged with perjury for lying to the cop which is the real trigger for the arrest.


perjury happens in court, when you lie under oath. lying to a cop is completely legal, it just pisses them off.
 
2013-05-22 07:43:33 PM  

Stone Meadow: fawlty: This from a liberal Mayor in a liberal city.  Now, explain to me again how "progressives" are such better, more tolerant and understanding, people than conservatives.

What Mayor and what city are you talking about? If it's New York, Michael Bloomberg is a out-of-the-closet Republican running a just-to-the-left-of-the-Stasi police department. There is NOTHING liberal about him or them. The only difference I can see between Bloomberg and people like the Koch Bros is that he has no use for funditards.


Always so cute how liberals can choose which party someone is as long as they are doing something wrong.

Is there any liberal that has ever done anything wrong? Or is it as soon as they do something you disagree with they are republican?
 
2013-05-22 07:47:22 PM  
You are all idiots if you don't agree with racial profiling. Read the statistics--it WORKS.


Quit using the catch phrase...call it "criminal profiling" if that makes you sleep better at night.
 
2013-05-22 07:49:03 PM  

hardinparamedic: redmid17: hardinparamedic: gilgigamesh: If I got stopped and the cops found a concealed gun on me that I had every right to possess, I would count myself lucky to walk away alive.

Funny. I've been pulled over twice packing, neither time has the cop freaked out on me and tried to shoot me in the face.

You're white.

True. It's good to be in charge.

Also, that's not the only reason. I'm also a member of the Neptunati.


Are you going to be at the Bilderberg conference this year? I'm going to need a drinking buddy and you know how exclusive the Rockefellers and Kennedy's can be.
 
2013-05-22 07:49:12 PM  
FTFA: "Surveys have shown that <a data-cke-saved-href="http://www.oas.samhsa.gov/NSDUH/2k7NSDUH/tabs/Sec t1peTabs1to46.htm#Tab 1.26B">whites use marijuana at higher rates than blacks or Hispanics"

No, that's a faulty analysis of the results of that survey. Should read, "...whites lie on surveys at a much lower rate than blacks or Hispanics."
 
2013-05-22 07:50:29 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: miss diminutive: Remind me never to travel to New York as a black person.

Dear, you should never travel anywhere as a black person; it would be racist, in your case.


Plus, it's all...ILLEGAL and shiat to wear their skin as a Halloween costume, blackface or no.

// goddamn liberals is why
 
2013-05-22 07:50:47 PM  

gilgigamesh: Remember everyone: racism is dead and gone, and you're the real racist for looking at statistics that clearly demonstrate otherwise.


Black cops are involved.  Is it still racism when a block cop profiles a black youth?
 
2013-05-22 07:53:30 PM  

OgreMagi: gilgigamesh: Remember everyone: racism is dead and gone, and you're the real racist for looking at statistics that clearly demonstrate otherwise.

Black cops are involved.  Is it still racism when a block cop profiles a black youth?


...yes?
 
2013-05-22 08:01:02 PM  

redmid17: hardinparamedic: redmid17: hardinparamedic: gilgigamesh: If I got stopped and the cops found a concealed gun on me that I had every right to possess, I would count myself lucky to walk away alive.

Funny. I've been pulled over twice packing, neither time has the cop freaked out on me and tried to shoot me in the face.

You're white.

True. It's good to be in charge.

Also, that's not the only reason. I'm also a member of the Neptunati.

Are you going to be at the Bilderberg conference this year? I'm going to need a drinking buddy and you know how exclusive the Rockefellers and Kennedy's can be.


Could we please discuss what costumes we're wearing this year because last time it was so embarrassing to show up and everyone is wearing the same thing.
 
2013-05-22 08:02:42 PM  

nburghmatt: PortWineBoy: Nib: dj_bigbird: 
If you say "no" and they search and find weed, once they pull it out of your pocket it's in open view.  You get arrested.  You also get charged with perjury for lying to the cop which is the real trigger for the arrest.

perjury happens in court, when you lie under oath. lying to a cop is completely legal, it just pisses them off.


"Making false statements to police" and "obstructing an investigation" are real things.
 
2013-05-22 08:03:14 PM  

Dafatone: OgreMagi: gilgigamesh: Remember everyone: racism is dead and gone, and you're the real racist for looking at statistics that clearly demonstrate otherwise.

Black cops are involved.  Is it still racism when a block cop profiles a black youth?

...yes?


Discrimination isn't always racism, nor is it always bad. Which of the following groups would you *not* cross the street to avoid?

static.flickr.com

www.streetgangs.com
us.123rf.com

ronepraisecleveland.files.wordpress.com

That's discrimination. But it isn't racist.
 
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