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(ESPN)   Will the Miami Heat blow the Indiana Pacers off the court tonight, or will the Pacers beat the Heat and tease everyone into thinking they have a shot before the Heat beat 'em in 5? The answers and more in tonight's thread (8:30 eastern, TNT)   (espn.go.com) divider line 519
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2013-05-23 01:28:17 PM
They were right about Wade, that's for sure. Plus it's not crazy to say the refs won't foul out James, it's only happened once.
 
2013-05-23 01:28:20 PM

IAmRight: See, the whining after every call/non-call...EVERY PLAYER IN THE LEAGUE does this. They just don't get the camera on them after the whistle as often.

The Decision...meh. It was going to be a press conference. No problem with keeping it from being a thousand media people whining about how you owed it to Cleveland. Let 'em whine in print and on TV the next day behind your back like they did.

Pep rally? Well, you've seen the fans in Miami. They probably didn't even know LeBron and Bosh signed there until that.

/hell, I'm even fine with the comments after the Mavs' loss - it wasn't RIGHT to say, but it was true, and I always enjoy when athletes speak the truth instead of in cliches.
//doing the coughing thing to mock Dirk was lame, though
///I'm gonna put that one on Wade, though. Looked like Bron was the outsider trying to fit in on that video
////if LeBron is going to win 6+ titles, it's not gonna be with Wade as the No. 2 option, though
///which is good; it'd piss me off if Wade had more titles than he did


I agree with all of this. The hate comes with being the best.  LeBron gets it now and it is much easier for me to root for him.  Game 6 of the ECF, when he tore out my heart and shiat all over it, gave me a whole new respect for him.  The guy is awesome to watch.
 
2013-05-23 01:34:10 PM

I_C_Weener: The man must be the best defender the NBA has ever seen.


He just doesn't do all the reaching or gambling that a lot of guys do. Sometimes guys beat him around the edge - instead of grabbing or reaching from behind to try to poke it out, he lets the guy get to the help defense and rotates over to the guy his helper is leaving. Most fouls are called when guys overextend themselves trying to catch back up to someone who beat them.

If you'd actually watch the games, then you'd see that he really doesn't commit fouls very often on defense. You could say he should be whistled for an offensive foul or two per game, but if you're going to complain about that, then you should also complain about the fact that he only draws defensive fouls on maybe 20% of the fouls he takes. He's kinda like Shaq in that yeah, maybe he gets away with sending defenders sprawling...but the defenders are also aware that the only way they have a shot of stopping him is to hit him on every play, and that the refs won't call it.

 

redmid17: The Pacers play much better at home than on the road. Frankly if the Heat take either game in Indy I would be very surprised.


That's true. But the Heat also play better on the road than the other teams they've played in the postseason. They got two in Indianapolis last year, BTW, so it's not crazy to think that it would happen.
 
2013-05-23 01:36:40 PM

IAmRight: I_C_Weener: The man must be the best defender the NBA has ever seen.

He just doesn't do all the reaching or gambling that a lot of guys do. Sometimes guys beat him around the edge - instead of grabbing or reaching from behind to try to poke it out, he lets the guy get to the help defense and rotates over to the guy his helper is leaving. Most fouls are called when guys overextend themselves trying to catch back up to someone who beat them.

If you'd actually watch the games, then you'd see that he really doesn't commit fouls very often on defense. You could say he should be whistled for an offensive foul or two per game, but if you're going to complain about that, then you should also complain about the fact that he only draws defensive fouls on maybe 20% of the fouls he takes. He's kinda like Shaq in that yeah, maybe he gets away with sending defenders sprawling...but the defenders are also aware that the only way they have a shot of stopping him is to hit him on every play, and that the refs won't call it.

 redmid17: The Pacers play much better at home than on the road. Frankly if the Heat take either game in Indy I would be very surprised.

That's true. But the Heat also play better on the road than the other teams they've played in the postseason. They got two in Indianapolis last year, BTW, so it's not crazy to think that it would happen.


I knew you couldn't help but defend that.  And not even a nod to the idea that maybe he gets some favoritism.  Superstars often do.  Failure to acknowledge it is myopic at best.
 
2013-05-23 01:42:41 PM
 
2013-05-23 01:44:37 PM

I_C_Weener: I will say it was refreshing for LeBron James to have a foul called on him, let alone 5. Didn't he go like 5 games without a single foul called on him this season? That's pretty impressive...even if he rode the bench for 4 of those games. So, 5 games without a single foul. The man must be the best defender the NBA has ever seen.


If you watch him for a while LeBron is actually incredibly good at recognizing when he's beat on a drive and not exacerbating the situation by making a dumb foul.  I don't know if it's athleticism or just the fact that he knows no coach is going to bench him for not sending a guy to the line.  Iguodala has been less famously doing the same thing for a while.
 
2013-05-23 01:45:12 PM
May as well just start a "Sad Hibbert" meme.

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2013-05-23 01:50:46 PM

funk_soul_bubby: Bob Kravitz haz a sad.

Me, too.


Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while.

/kravitz is a borderline troll
 
2013-05-23 01:52:00 PM

TheJoe03: They were right about Wade, that's for sure. Plus it's not crazy to say the refs won't foul out James, it's only happened once.


Oh, and I wasn't right when pointing out that the Pacers shot more FTs and were called for the same number of fouls (and fewer techs), when we account for the Pacers' two intentional fouls at the end of regulation. It WASN'T accurate to point out that the Pacers got 46 FTs to the Knicks' 18 in Game 6 of the previous round.

It's not crazy to say either of those things, either. Or to point out that the Bulls/Heat series was even in foul calls the whole series despite the Bulls' gameplan, WHICH THEY ACTUALLY SAID, which was to intentionally foul people to prevent them from ever feeling comfortable. They literally had a gameplan to foul as much as possible...and didn't get called for significantly more fouls than the team that has all these superstars that supposedly always get superstar calls.

/there wasn't as much complaining about refs in this thread as there was in all the Bulls threads
//BTW, James has to exaggerate the contact when Augustin runs into him, because if Augustin falls down, then guess who's much more likely to get a foul called on him?
///sadly, much of the NBA is about playing the refs
 
2013-05-23 01:57:41 PM

I_C_Weener: I knew you couldn't help but defend that.  And not even a nod to the idea that maybe he gets some favoritism.  Superstars often do.  Failure to acknowledge it is myopic at best.


I didn't say he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt sometimes. I'm simply saying he gets WAY more sh*t for it than any other star, and he doesn't get near the calls they do. Check out how much more often Durant gets to the line, and NO ONE complains about it or bats an eye, despite the fact that he shoots far more jump shots. But if LeBron gets to the line? It's a conspiracy! Why don't other players get tagged with this, given the facts?

I'm not saying LeBron is the best defender in the league. Most versatile, sure. BUT I am saying that no, he really doesn't commit many defensive fouls. I don't see how anyone could watch the games and think otherwise - if he gets beat, he gets beat. He knows there are other possessions and he's not going to put himself in foul trouble gambling.

The Heat already have enough guys gambling with Wade and Chalmers on the floor together frequently; they don't need him to do it too.
 
2013-05-23 02:03:44 PM

IAmRight: I_C_Weener: I knew you couldn't help but defend that.  And not even a nod to the idea that maybe he gets some favoritism.  Superstars often do.  Failure to acknowledge it is myopic at best.

I didn't say he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt sometimes. I'm simply saying he gets WAY more sh*t for it than any other star, and he doesn't get near the calls they do. Check out how much more often Durant gets to the line, and NO ONE complains about it or bats an eye, despite the fact that he shoots far more jump shots. But if LeBron gets to the line? It's a conspiracy! Why don't other players get tagged with this, given the facts?

I'm not saying LeBron is the best defender in the league. Most versatile, sure. BUT I am saying that no, he really doesn't commit many defensive fouls. I don't see how anyone could watch the games and think otherwise - if he gets beat, he gets beat. He knows there are other possessions and he's not going to put himself in foul trouble gambling.

The Heat already have enough guys gambling with Wade and Chalmers on the floor together frequently; they don't need him to do it too.


A whopping one more FT a game over the last three years?
 
2013-05-23 02:22:55 PM

redmid17: IAmRight: I_C_Weener: I knew you couldn't help but defend that.  And not even a nod to the idea that maybe he gets some favoritism.  Superstars often do.  Failure to acknowledge it is myopic at best.

I didn't say he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt sometimes. I'm simply saying he gets WAY more sh*t for it than any other star, and he doesn't get near the calls they do. Check out how much more often Durant gets to the line, and NO ONE complains about it or bats an eye, despite the fact that he shoots far more jump shots. But if LeBron gets to the line? It's a conspiracy! Why don't other players get tagged with this, given the facts?

I'm not saying LeBron is the best defender in the league. Most versatile, sure. BUT I am saying that no, he really doesn't commit many defensive fouls. I don't see how anyone could watch the games and think otherwise - if he gets beat, he gets beat. He knows there are other possessions and he's not going to put himself in foul trouble gambling.

The Heat already have enough guys gambling with Wade and Chalmers on the floor together frequently; they don't need him to do it too.

A whopping one more FT a game over the last three years?


Durant took 215 more free throw attempts than LeBron this season. That's a lot.
 
2013-05-23 02:40:38 PM

redmid17: A whopping one more FT a game over the last three years?


a) a FT more per game is pretty damn significant, especially when the guy getting fewer FTs is painted as the guy getting the benefit of the referee doubt while the guy with more isn't.
b) this year, when Durant actually tried to play a bit more like LeBron, getting to the rim more often (shot fewer 3s this year than he did last year...and last year was a shortened season), he took 2.3 more FTs per game. That's a TON. Especially since teams don't want to foul him as much, since he makes a better percentage of them.
 
2013-05-23 02:51:16 PM
BTW, the plus/minus stats for this game are probably the No. 1 reason it's not taken more seriously (though obviously it's better with more information, like a season or career).

Ray Allen, he of the 1/8 shooting and bricking the FT that would've clinched the game, had the best +/- of the game with a +10.
 
2013-05-23 03:07:28 PM

IAmRight: BTW, the plus/minus stats for this game are probably the No. 1 reason it's not taken more seriously (though obviously it's better with more information, like a season or career).

Ray Allen, he of the 1/8 shooting and bricking the FT that would've clinched the game, had the best +/- of the game with a +10.


There was a game last season, against the Heat, where Hansbrough had a plus minus of -46 at one point in the 3rd quarter. He finished with a -43. I never really thought plus/minus in basketball was really that useful but I found that supremely appropriate.

http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=320104014
 
2013-05-23 05:16:29 PM

IAmRight: I'm not saying LeBron is the best defender in the league. Most versatile, sure. BUT I am saying that no, he really doesn't commit many defensive fouls. I don't see how anyone could watch the games and think otherwise - if he gets beat, he gets beat. He knows there are other possessions and he's not going to put himself in foul trouble gambling.


He also has the unique advantage of, when he's beat off the dribble, being able to let his man try for a lay-up, then block it.
 
2013-05-23 05:42:32 PM

IAmRight: Oh, and I wasn't right when pointing out that the Pacers shot more FTs and were called for the same number of fouls (and fewer techs), when we account for the Pacers' two intentional fouls at the end of regulation. It WASN'T accurate to point out that the Pacers got 46 FTs to the Knicks' 18 in Game 6 of the previous round.


Yeah but my point is that your way of going at the dummies that always blame refs is to do the same to teams that are playing Miami. Two wrongs don't make a right and complaining about refs is annoying, especially when you won and your rooting for the Miami freakin Heat, who do get a lot of calls based on how they play the game (driving as well as flopping). What next? Are Lakers, Clippers, and Spurs fans going to complain about calls? I hope not.
 
2013-05-23 05:50:42 PM

TheJoe03: Are Lakers, Clippers, and Spurs fans going to complain about calls? I hope not.


Funny you should mention that since I know one of the people I quoted whining about the refs is a Spurs fan and IIRC one is either a Lakers or Clippers fan.

TheJoe03: Yeah but my point is that your way of going at the dummies that always blame refs is to do the same to teams that are playing Miami.


I pointed it out when it was the Knicks that were getting hosed in the calls. It's to illustrate that guess what? All teams get calls their way at some point or another, so acting as though the Heat are getting special calls no one else is getting is laughable.

/though that thrown away pass that hit Wade's hand and went out being called Miami ball was ridiculous.
 
2013-05-23 09:08:21 PM

IAmRight: GardenWeasel: Wade has a great eye for what the refs can and can't see.

LessO2: It's so cute for TNT to point out LeBron James has four fouls.....as if the refs will let him get to five, let alone foul out.

akuma976: The refs aren't even trying to hide their bias anymore.

TheJoe03: This is the second time you've gone out of your way to complain the refs hate Miami while you complain that other people complain the refs are helping them. You keep bringing it up while none if us are biatching about the refs and Miami.

Do you have all those guys blocked or is it just that you ignore when people say stuff you agree with?


If you would read carefully, you would see I was NOT blaming the refs. I just said Wade knows how to use the opposing players body to shield the ref from seeing him yank and pull.
 
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