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2013-05-22 07:03:31 PM

old_toole: I hope that blowhard Berman is the first to go.


I always liked how he'd "predict" the draft pick -- "call me crazy guys, but...with the 13th pick, I'm getting a weird feeling the ___ are gonna take Joe Blow" -- and for years people thought he was some kind of draft savant.

and then Rich Eisen said, "yeah, the dirty little secret is, the NFL regularly gave us [ESPN] the pick before it was announced, so that the truck could get the video ready....some people would use the ifnromation to make themselves look smarter.  no names mentioned, Boomer."
 
2013-05-22 07:04:45 PM

Di Atribe: /have heard stories
//never been inside
///take that in all ways possible


I went to a hardware store/bike rental shop/pub in Ireland.  The American hippie telling the locals that "we shake hands like this in the State" made me want to stand up and apologize when she left.  The "this" was a Native American, grab the other person's forearm shake.  I went outside for a smoke instead.

The place you posted looks amazing.
 
2013-05-22 07:05:22 PM

PowerSlacker: I think the truth is somewhere in the middle. The arena in Phoenix (where the Suns play, can't remember the current sponsor's name) was awful for hockey from what I've heard from friends who went there.


That may be. A quick look a wikipedia says it was a major issue. Which begs the question why would they move the team to an arena that couldn't handle hockey?

I'm not against teams in warm climate. Enough of them have survived to prove it can work. But you need a good ownership group that is committed to build a following from the ground up. Maybe hockey in Phoenix could work, but this incarnation is a massive failure and I doubt they'll take another shot at it once this team leaves.
 
2013-05-22 07:06:23 PM

nyihockey: good ownership group that is committed to build a following from the ground up

 
2013-05-22 07:11:40 PM

chevydeuce: Gunny Highway: Di Atribe: chevydeuce: /if it doesn't snow at least 12" a year in a metropolitan area, it shouldn't have a farking hockey team

Why not?

It is just one of the many things hockey fans complain about.  Dont pay it any attention.

I'm not a hockey fan....


With that logic, if a city does not average 70°F for a high temperature in the middle of February, they shouldn't have a basketball team.

Also, all baseball and football domes should be demolished.
/Seriously.
 
2013-05-22 07:14:48 PM

soopey: Also, all baseball and football domes should be demolished.


I am not a big baseball in domes guy but this Spring in Minnesota and Colorado sucked.
 
2013-05-22 07:20:53 PM

Gunny Highway: soopey: Also, all baseball and football domes should be demolished.

I am not a big baseball in domes guy but this Spring in Minnesota and Colorado sucked.


As a baseball fan in Canada, retractable roofs are where it is at. The best of both worlds. You can have a great afternoon in the sun, but when it is bad you have shelter and very few lost games.
 
2013-05-22 07:30:22 PM

Di Atribe: take that in all ways possible


Yeeeeah, you do.

// nothing but love, Texas

Gunny Highway: The place you posted looks amazing.


www.droidforums.net
 
2013-05-22 07:44:08 PM

degenerate-afro: I watched the PBA from time to time when it was on over the air TV, but since it went to cable I haven't watched it at all.  I also use to watch PBR.  I miss ABC's wide world of sports.


This times infinity
 
2013-05-22 07:49:28 PM

"Sports are the only thing you really need to watch live, and one of the last remaining arguments for why you need to subscribe to cable."


I don't need to watch it as they want me to think. I love watching live sports but the cable bill was just too high for the few channels I did watch. I cut the cord and now watch mainly movies on Amazon Prime or Netflix. The only sports I tend to catch are any playoffs, and NFL games which thankfully are three games on Sunday between the networks. I'm not going to pay cable $100/month just so I can watch the few live sports on ESPN that I like.

 
2013-05-22 07:56:38 PM

chevydeuce: Rapmaster2000: I'd rather watch the PBA Tour than hockey.  In fact, I do watch PBA Tour and not hockey.

Same here....

/if it doesn't snow at least 12" a year in a metropolitan area, it shouldn't have a farking hockey team


4 of the bottom 5 franchises in average attendance(as a % of capacity) have annual snowfall over that mark.

Outside of Phoenix, the rest of the non-snow teams all do either excellent to relatively well.  The Kings, Sharks, and Panthers are basically guaranteed sell outs.  The Lightning and Predators do very well.  The Hurricanes, Ducks, and Stars do fairly well(and the Ducks had one of the longest home sellout streaks in the NHL going in mid-decade 00s).  Only Phoenix is truly awful.  Maybe Phoenix is just not a good market.  The Cardinals and DBacks struggle for years at a time, the post Nash Suns aren't doing so well.  Hmm, nine non-snow teams, 5 are doing ridiculously well, 3 more aren't struggling to get by but could do better, and 1 is awful.  Maybe it's the city, not the ice.

Of course, it doesn't help that of all the cities in any major sport, Phoenix was hit the hardest by the housing and economic crash.  Harder than any area where a Florida or California team resides(the other hardest hit regions outside of the Phoenix/Vegas areas).
 
2013-05-22 08:08:55 PM

skinink: "Sports are the only thing you really need to watch live, and one of the last remaining arguments for why you need to subscribe to cable."
I don't need to watch it as they want me to think. I love watching live sports but the cable bill was just too high for the few channels I did watch. I cut the cord and now watch mainly movies on Amazon Prime or Netflix. The only sports I tend to catch are any playoffs, and NFL games which thankfully are three games on Sunday between the networks. I'm not going to pay cable $100/month just so I can watch the few live sports on ESPN that I like.


Are you including the cost of your internet in the $100/mo?

Factoring in the discount from my package internet/tv deal, if I dropped TV and picked up Netflix and Hulu+ I'd save $25/mo.  It's not a huge amount, though it does add up over time, but I still have access to more channels(some of them good ones not available on Hulu+) and regional sports networks.  At this point, I don't feel the cost is too damn high, though maybe in the future it will be.
 
2013-05-22 08:31:12 PM

BarkingUnicorn: I don't think I will ever understand why people spend so much money and time watching sports.


I don't think I'll ever understand geeky douche bags with no athleticism. Enjoy your comic books.
 
2013-05-22 08:37:30 PM
It doesn't snow in San Jose and LA, guess both those teams should be contracted, the hell with their dedicated fanbases and constant sell out games! Shut up Chevy, you don't know what you're talking about.
 
2013-05-22 08:55:19 PM

chevydeuce: Rapmaster2000: I'd rather watch the PBA Tour than hockey.  In fact, I do watch PBA Tour and not hockey.

Same here....

/if it doesn't snow at least 12" a year in a metropolitan area, it shouldn't have a farking hockey team


WTF? Why do you hate L.A.?
 
2013-05-22 09:13:46 PM

chevydeuce: Di Atribe: chevydeuce: Because it dilutes the product if a large portion of the population in the surrounding area don't give two farks about your team....The teams biatch because nobody pays attention to their team...well no shiat Mr. Phoenix Coyotes owner! It's farking Phoenix!

Absolutely nothing you said has anything to do with the climate of the team's home.

People who live in cold climates have grown up with cold climate activities....people who live in warm climates have grown up with warm climate activities.  I understand there are transplants and all that, but the native population is still pretty large, comparatively.  If they don't know the history of hockey, don't have the knowledge of the game, etc, they are going to be ambivalent, at the most.  In the areas that hockey has always been big, it's still big, but when you're depending on teams in Phoenix or Tampa Bay, you're going to be disappointed in the results.


Why does Dallas have Minnesota's old team, then? Under your reasoning, that would never happen.

/Because you're talking out of your five-hole, that's why.
 
2013-05-22 09:45:44 PM

dywed88: Gunny Highway: soopey: Also, all baseball and football domes should be demolished.

I am not a big baseball in domes guy but this Spring in Minnesota and Colorado sucked.

As a baseball fan in Canada, retractable roofs are where it is at. The best of both worlds. You can have a great afternoon in the sun, but when it is bad you have shelter and very few lost games.


Can't let you Canadians have all the fun as far as those are concerned

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2013-05-22 10:12:12 PM

hockeyfarker: Gunny Highway: PowerSlacker: hockeyfarker: your list is wrong. Tampa Bay did not win the Stanley Cup.

What hurts more?
1.  Losing the Cup to a farking Florida team.
2.  Losing the Cup to a farking Florida team coached by Torts.
3.  Watching Darryl Sutter win the cup with LA after the Flames let him go.

4. Being the dork at the Senior Class of 2004 event sitting on the back of the swanky boat dinner with the hand held television watching your team lose. In Rhode Island.

5. moving to Switzerland during the second round. Convincing a local bar to stay "open" way past closing time on a weekday, in order to watch game 7 of the SCF, going home at 5AM, and then going to work.


I don't care that we lost to a Florida team. a team with Martin St. Louis in the best year of his career kinda hurt. good job on that one, Flames management.


6) Living a year in Australia and having several friends over for game 7 at 3 or so in the morning and sharing an 80 dollar AUD case of blue (which I hate but my girlfriend bought me thinking she was doing me a favour... Cause it's Canadian eh?) And having them watch me have a mild tantrum.
 
2013-05-22 11:14:42 PM

inclemency: 6) Living a year in Australia and having several friends over for game 7 at 3 or so in the morning and sharing an 80 dollar AUD case of blue (which I hate but my girlfriend bought me thinking she was doing me a favour... Cause it's Canadian eh?) And having them watch me have a mild tantrum.


Youtube video of your tantrum?
 
2013-05-22 11:45:57 PM

inclemency: hockeyfarker: Gunny Highway: PowerSlacker: hockeyfarker: your list is wrong. Tampa Bay did not win the Stanley Cup.

What hurts more?
1.  Losing the Cup to a farking Florida team.
2.  Losing the Cup to a farking Florida team coached by Torts.
3.  Watching Darryl Sutter win the cup with LA after the Flames let him go.

4. Being the dork at the Senior Class of 2004 event sitting on the back of the swanky boat dinner with the hand held television watching your team lose. In Rhode Island.

5. moving to Switzerland during the second round. Convincing a local bar to stay "open" way past closing time on a weekday, in order to watch game 7 of the SCF, going home at 5AM, and then going to work.


I don't care that we lost to a Florida team. a team with Martin St. Louis in the best year of his career kinda hurt. good job on that one, Flames management.

6) Living a year in Australia and having several friends over for game 7 at 3 or so in the morning and sharing an 80 dollar AUD case of blue (which I hate but my girlfriend bought me thinking she was doing me a favour... Cause it's Canadian eh?) And having them watch me have a mild tantrum.


7) Enjoying my team winning the Stanley Cup that year while breaking up with my biatch of a girlfriend.
 
2013-05-23 12:32:38 AM

Di Atribe: Car racing but ONLY if I'm watching with someone who can answer questions


what farking questions can you have about car racing?

"What happens if someone turns right instead?"
"What car is the chick in?"
"What logo is fastest?"
"Do they need a rear facing child seat in those things?"
"How many people had to be lifeflighted out today?"

Really, what?
 
2013-05-23 01:47:40 AM

poughdrew: inclemency: 6) Living a year in Australia and having several friends over for game 7 at 3 or so in the morning and sharing an 80 dollar AUD case of blue (which I hate but my girlfriend bought me thinking she was doing me a favour... Cause it's Canadian eh?) And having them watch me have a mild tantrum.

Youtube video of your tantrum?


I wish.
 
2013-05-23 08:46:02 AM
What else is ESPN going to show?  They keep losing the rights to sports that were used to fill that time to other networks.
 
2013-05-23 10:03:58 AM

groppet: Gunny Highway: spman: Also, does ESPN 2 still show Magic the Gathering?

Replaced by Cross Fit championships.  I still miss the Mini Golf championships.

Mini Golf was funny especially when they took it so serious.


Didn't they wear 'putting' gloves? I can't remember,  I was amused by how serious they took it too but I think the winner took home a good chunk of change.
 
2013-05-23 10:21:41 AM

Emperor_Tod: What else is ESPN going to show?  They keep losing the rights to sports that were used to fill that time to other networks.


It's kind of amazing if you think about it:
NFL playoffs - nothing on ESPN or ABC
MLB playoffs - 1 game on ESPN (none in recent years)
NBA playoffs - half on ESPN/ABC, no Finals games on ESPN
NHL playoffs - nothing on ESPN or ABC
NCAA tournament - nothing on ESPN or ABC

Of the big six team sports (counting college basketball and football), the only one which plays its title games on ESPN is college football.
 
2013-05-23 10:53:22 AM
Can some hockey fan explain to me why the Blue Jackets are doing so terribly as a franchise?  On paper it sounds great--they have the whole state to draw from and it's a cold-weather state.  It seemed a lot more obvious for an expansion team than Florida.
 
2013-05-23 11:26:21 AM

swankywanky: PowerSlacker: chevydeuce: Di Atribe: chevydeuce: /if it doesn't snow at least 12" a year in a metropolitan area, it shouldn't have a farking hockey team

Why not?

Because it dilutes the product if a large portion of the population in the surrounding area don't give two farks about your team....The teams biatch because nobody pays attention to their team...well no shiat Mr. Phoenix Coyotes owner!  It's farking Phoenix!

Actually, it's Glendale.  Were the Coyotes located in Phoenix/Scottsdale/Tempe, they would be much better off.

I actually did not know that - I do know that the Tampa Bay Rays have a similar issue; by the time you get from Tampa down to the stadium you could have driven to Orlando.


Someone failed basic geography.
 
2013-05-23 12:10:44 PM

Tradskinzd: swankywanky: PowerSlacker: chevydeuce: Di Atribe: chevydeuce: /if it doesn't snow at least 12" a year in a metropolitan area, it shouldn't have a farking hockey team

Why not?

Because it dilutes the product if a large portion of the population in the surrounding area don't give two farks about your team....The teams biatch because nobody pays attention to their team...well no shiat Mr. Phoenix Coyotes owner!  It's farking Phoenix!

Actually, it's Glendale.  Were the Coyotes located in Phoenix/Scottsdale/Tempe, they would be much better off.

I actually did not know that - I do know that the Tampa Bay Rays have a similar issue; by the time you get from Tampa down to the stadium you could have driven to Orlando.

Someone failed basic geography.


nope, (and was being facetious about the I-4 drive), but ex is from Clearwater and I lived down that way for a bit - and the #1 complaint I always heard was "I'd go to more game, but it's such a pain to get to with traffic."   Football people will drive to knowing they are going to tailgate and spend some time.  Baseball crowds don't generally do this.
 
2013-05-23 01:48:17 PM

derpy: Di Atribe: Car racing but ONLY if I'm watching with someone who can answer questions

what farking questions can you have about car racing?

"What happens if someone turns right instead?"
"What car is the chick in?"
"What logo is fastest?"
"Do they need a rear facing child seat in those things?"
"How many people had to be lifeflighted out today?"

Really, what?


Hehehe

i27.photobucket.com
 
2013-05-23 04:15:43 PM
Which is kind of funny, because when ever I see ESPN on a TV set when I go out at lunch during the day, ESPN only seems to show talking heads talking about sports instead of actually, you know, showing sports.
 
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