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2013-05-22 05:18:34 PM

roblarky: calbert: [res.moviezine.se.s3-external-3.amazonaws.com image 490x325]

/obscure?

I wager there's hardly a single Farker who has ever seen that movie.


I remember it. It's from Highlander II .
 
2013-05-22 05:18:46 PM

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: EW! EW! Is this that thread? I LOVE this thread.

Ahum, Bombay Sapphire is for posers that don't know about important things and also they smell bad and are dumb and have saggy balls with funny smells that are unimportant.

Hendrick's or Broker's are the only gins for people that are not posers and know about important things and smell like top-shelf hooker perfume and are very smart with tight, high, large balls that smell like top shelf hooker pussy and are important.


Okay, I am 50, so you might have me on the saggy balls, but i just showered so I smell all purtty.

/plus I are smart
 
2013-05-22 05:21:06 PM

roblarky: calbert: [res.moviezine.se.s3-external-3.amazonaws.com image 490x325]

/obscure?

I wager there's hardly a single Farker who has ever seen that movie.


Or read the headline!
 
2013-05-22 05:21:23 PM
I once called a server on this.  I was quite sure that the 15 yr old Irish that I'd ordered (neat) was Bushmills or something else low-shelf.

Waiter was adamant that no such thing could have possibly happened but everyone at our table felt that the reactions of the bartender and manager (who got shifty, didn't make eye contact, hastily comped the drink while continuing to insist that such an error was impossible with their system) were the actions of guilty men.

Funny.  My next two rounds tasted like 15 yr old Jamesons.
 
2013-05-22 05:21:48 PM

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: EW! EW! Is this that thread? I LOVE this thread.

Ahum, Bombay Sapphire is for posers that don't know about important things and also they smell bad and are dumb and have saggy balls with funny smells that are unimportant.

Hendrick's or Broker's are the only gins for people that are not posers and know about important things and smell like top-shelf hooker perfume and are very smart with tight, high, large balls that smell like top shelf hooker pussy and are important.


What are your thoughts on Tanquery 10?
 
2013-05-22 05:22:06 PM

unyon: NASAM: Red Shirt Blues: EvilEgg: If you are paying for top shelf in your mixed drink, you deserve what you get.

This. Made waaaay too many Crown and Cokes when I was a bartender.

Crown is not top shelf.  Crown is garbage.

Crown isn't garbage- overrated perhaps, but not garbage.  It's not proper rye, though.  That corn blend that gives it sweetness and drinkability straight cuts too much of the edge off the rye.

Good rye whiskey, drunk straight, should start like lighter fluid and end like a chainsaw.


I like Bulleit rye neat. Almost always hits the spot.
 
2013-05-22 05:23:05 PM

TheOtherGuy: The hell with getting the brand right.  It seems lately that too many places can't even get the LIQUOR right.  Since when does a Gimlet or a Mojito involve vodka without specifying so (or even if you specify it)?  Apparently since vodka got cheap, I guess...  For that matter, even the venerable Martini deserves to be labeled as a Vodka Martini when that substitution is made.  At least freakin' ask before you dump Grey Goose on me instead of the gin, rum, or whatever cocktail I asked for and think I won't frickin' notice.  Well is fine, but at least give me what I ordered!  Geez.


I think most places where they'd get a martini wrong aren't a good place to order one. But I've had that problem before. Nice place, lots of "craft cocktails" and when I ask for a martini they start to reach for the vodka. Then they get all indignant when I tell them I want a gin martini. "You should have specified." Uh, no.

Same for a Tom Collins. One night one of my local bars (not a great place) offered a special on them. I order one and it comes out with vodka, sour mix, and sprite in a pint glass. When I sent it back the bartender had the nerve to tell me that it was right and that he knew how to make one.
 
2013-05-22 05:26:02 PM

thismomentinblackhistory: unyon: factoryconnection: EvilEgg: If you are paying for top shelf in your mixed drink, you deserve what you get.

Exactly.  The only way you can pass off Evan Williams black-label as Woodford Reserve is when it is mixed with Coke.

DRTFA, but knowing Jersey and TGIF clientele, I'm thinking that it was probably Fleischmann's Vodka and sprite instead of Grey Goose and sprite, as if anyone could tell the difference.  In fact, I've heard Kirkland-brand Vodka and Grey Goose are distilled in the same place.

The very idea of a premium vodka is a joke.  Vodka is the absence of flavour.  The best vodka is pure ethanol.

Stoli is as high up the shelf worth going. Otherwise you are paying for pretty bottles and expensive marketing campaigns.

I also love the people who try to order "top shelf" Long Islands. Wtf.....


Considering most bars use a premix and throw a splash of sour mix and coke ontop...

www.totalwine.com

I dont think its too much to ask a bartender to actually mix a drink. I made my SO a real IBA spec long island and she complained it didnt taste like it did at the bar. :-/
 
2013-05-22 05:26:10 PM

unyon: The best vodka is pure ethanol.


No, but thanks for playing.
 
2013-05-22 05:26:39 PM

ArcadianRefugee: /wtf is a "well drink"?


The trays attached to the bar at the bartenders waist level are called "Wells". It's usually filled with bottle of the cheap stuff. Drinks made from the well are well drinks and are usually a few bucks less than "Call" drinks where a brand is specified.

For example if you ask for a whiskey and coke you get well whiskey and coke while a Jack and coke uses Jack Daniels and costs more.

Some places use rot gut in their wells while others use a slightly better quality product. You can ask what brand of (whatever) the bar has in the well and then decide if you want a well or call drink.
 
2013-05-22 05:27:10 PM

NASAM: Red Shirt Blues: EvilEgg: If you are paying for top shelf in your mixed drink, you deserve what you get.

This. Made waaaay too many Crown and Cokes when I was a bartender.

Crown is not top shelf.  Crown is garbage.


you are wrong sir.
 
2013-05-22 05:28:15 PM

seventypercent: Screaming Viking


I haven't been called that since my honeymoon night!
 
2013-05-22 05:30:17 PM

unyon: The very idea of a premium vodka is a joke. Vodka is the absence of flavour.


Not much of a drinker, and when I do I normally drink beer, but every time I walk by the hard liquor aisle in the grocery store and see all the flavored vodkas, I think "Whatever happened to vodka-flavored vodka?"
 
2013-05-22 05:30:41 PM

pregerstheHobo: The one and only time I've been to a TGI Fridays was after a looooooooooooong day of traveling and we got to the hotel in Panama City next to the canal. We were hungry and thirsty and tired and the restaurant in the hotel was a Fridays. Bienvenido a Friday's!

I plan on keeping that my one and only experience at a TGIF. Fark that place.


The last time I visited a TGI Friday's was the last time I stayed in Beijing (which happened to be last week).
The hotel had one and I craved a not so Chinese meal after working late one night.
The food and service was pretty much on par with locations in the States.
 
2013-05-22 05:31:08 PM

A Terrible Human: Haha you haven't had terrible vodak til you've had Heaven Hills. That shiat tastes exactly how rubbing alcohol smells. For $12 a 1.75 liter bottle Barton's is alright. TAAKA is decent but the name makes me think it's a sound the heavy in tf2 would make.


If you'd like to try your hand with some truly wretched vodak, try some of the lower quality offerings from Zusco (which are sometimes used as counterfeit Hanoi).  Tried it for the first (and last) time in 2000, and I can still remember the taste.  It was a combination of bad almonds and petrol.
 
2013-05-22 05:32:40 PM
The last time I got a drink at the TGIF in Chase field, I specifically asked for well. I was told they only had premium and was charged for it. Only had 1 and it was the last one I will ever have there! Arizona Club at least will let you choose.
 
2013-05-22 05:35:54 PM

meathome: If you'd like to try your hand with some truly wretched vodak, try some of the lower quality offerings from Zusco (which are sometimes used as counterfeit Hanoi). Tried it for the first (and last) time in 2000, and I can still remember the taste. It was a combination of bad almonds and petrol.


I hate my taste buds and liver bad enough that I need to try that.
/Crappy vodka for when you have to get drunk within 3 hours of waking up.
 
2013-05-22 05:35:55 PM

meathome: A Terrible Human: Haha you haven't had terrible vodak til you've had Heaven Hills. That shiat tastes exactly how rubbing alcohol smells. For $12 a 1.75 liter bottle Barton's is alright. TAAKA is decent but the name makes me think it's a sound the heavy in tf2 would make.

If you'd like to try your hand with some truly wretched vodak, try some of the lower quality offerings from Zusco (which are sometimes used as counterfeit Hanoi).  Tried it for the first (and last) time in 2000, and I can still remember the taste.  It was a combination of bad almonds and petrol.


I was at a wedding reception one time when they were serving rotgut rail. The vodka tasted like hairspray and the rum tasted...like I'd imagine Pine Sol tastes like. After 3 drinks I gave up and just went with water.

If you're going to use rail, at least get some decent stuff.
 
2013-05-22 05:36:43 PM

Khellendros: unyon: The best vodka is pure ethanol.

No, but thanks for playing.


To clarify, the best vodka is pure ethanol and water.   Vodka is 40% alcohol (i.e.: ethanol), 60% water.  The only thing that distinguishes vodkas at that level is the concentration of hydrates buffering the alcohol and water molecules.

Any other imparted flavour in vodka other than alcohol is by definition an impurity.
 
2013-05-22 05:36:50 PM

unyon: factoryconnection: EvilEgg: If you are paying for top shelf in your mixed drink, you deserve what you get.

Exactly.  The only way you can pass off Evan Williams black-label as Woodford Reserve is when it is mixed with Coke.

DRTFA, but knowing Jersey and TGIF clientele, I'm thinking that it was probably Fleischmann's Vodka and sprite instead of Grey Goose and sprite, as if anyone could tell the difference.  In fact, I've heard Kirkland-brand Vodka and Grey Goose are distilled in the same place.

The very idea of a premium vodka is a joke.  Vodka is the absence of flavour.  The best vodka is pure ethanol.


This!   By law, Vodka is allowed to contain only ethanol and water.  Any difference in taste is caused by trace levels of stuff like ethyl acetate, ethyl lactate and fusel oils.  In other words, the more you can taste the difference, the more rotgut it is (albeit, expensive rotgut).
 
2013-05-22 05:37:28 PM

Treygreen13: TheOtherGuy: The hell with getting the brand right.  It seems lately that too many places can't even get the LIQUOR right.  Since when does a Gimlet or a Mojito involve vodka without specifying so (or even if you specify it)?  Apparently since vodka got cheap, I guess...  For that matter, even the venerable Martini deserves to be labeled as a Vodka Martini when that substitution is made.  At least freakin' ask before you dump Grey Goose on me instead of the gin, rum, or whatever cocktail I asked for and think I won't frickin' notice.  Well is fine, but at least give me what I ordered!  Geez.

I think most places where they'd get a martini wrong aren't a good place to order one. But I've had that problem before. Nice place, lots of "craft cocktails" and when I ask for a martini they start to reach for the vodka. Then they get all indignant when I tell them I want a gin martini. "You should have specified." Uh, no.

Same for a Tom Collins. One night one of my local bars (not a great place) offered a special on them. I order one and it comes out with vodka, sour mix, and sprite in a pint glass. When I sent it back the bartender had the nerve to tell me that it was right and that he knew how to make one.


I have experience bourbon in my rusty nail on more that one occasion. I nearly threw up due to a bad experience with bourbon as a teen (tween). I cannot tough mash whiskys.
 
2013-05-22 05:37:57 PM

calbert: [res.moviezine.se.s3-external-3.amazonaws.com image 490x325]

/obscure?


The first Leprechaun movie?
 
2013-05-22 05:37:59 PM
Glad I only go to bars where I see the drink being made in front of me.

/doesn't stop them from refilling empties with junk
//thankfully Crown Royal has a taste I'll never mistake
 
2013-05-22 05:38:01 PM

mjohnson71: basemetal: EvilEgg: If you are paying for top shelf in your mixed drink, you deserve what you get.

Meh, if you want to drink yours straight, go for it.  Myself, if I want some tonic and a lime with my Bombay Sapphire, that's my own damned business.

/and bartenders, I can tell the difference and will send it back

Same here with Tanqueray. Rail gin is horrible swill and I can tell the difference.


To quote the Brunchinh Shuttlecocks, well gin is the most godawful substance ever to sterilize a cigarette burn.

Hendricks please.
 
2013-05-22 05:41:43 PM

Cyno01: thismomentinblackhistory: unyon: factoryconnection: EvilEgg: If you are paying for top shelf in your mixed drink, you deserve what you get.

Exactly.  The only way you can pass off Evan Williams black-label as Woodford Reserve is when it is mixed with Coke.

DRTFA, but knowing Jersey and TGIF clientele, I'm thinking that it was probably Fleischmann's Vodka and sprite instead of Grey Goose and sprite, as if anyone could tell the difference.  In fact, I've heard Kirkland-brand Vodka and Grey Goose are distilled in the same place.

The very idea of a premium vodka is a joke.  Vodka is the absence of flavour.  The best vodka is pure ethanol.

Stoli is as high up the shelf worth going. Otherwise you are paying for pretty bottles and expensive marketing campaigns.

I also love the people who try to order "top shelf" Long Islands. Wtf.....

Considering most bars use a premix and throw a splash of sour mix and coke ontop...



I dont think its too much to ask a bartender to actually mix a drink. I made my SO a real IBA spec long island and she complained it didnt taste like it did at the bar. :-/


It's your money -- I'll make it! I mix my own Long Islands because it looks cool to pick up four bottles at the same time.
 
2013-05-22 05:44:35 PM

theorellior: God, just the mention of Grey Goose in this thread and already I'm imagining the smell of Axe and hearing the "'Sup, bro?" greetings.


Well if you went to Sona 13(one of the bars on the list) you would hear that a ton. Which is a shame because when it opened, it had a lot of potential to be a decent hangout.
 
2013-05-22 05:48:31 PM

Treygreen13: I think most places where they'd get a martini wrong aren't a good place to order one. But I've had that problem before. Nice place, lots of "craft cocktails" and when I ask for a martini they start to reach for the vodka. Then they get all indignant when I tell them I want a gin martini. "You should have specified." Uh, no.


If that is the default reaction to one of the most standard cocktails, then that person shouldn't be permitted to tend bar.

/and anyone who has actually formally trained to be behind a bar would know that.
 
2013-05-22 05:52:01 PM

mjohnson71: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: EW! EW! Is this that thread? I LOVE this thread.

Ahum, Bombay Sapphire is for posers that don't know about important things and also they smell bad and are dumb and have saggy balls with funny smells that are unimportant.

Hendrick's or Broker's are the only gins for people that are not posers and know about important things and smell like top-shelf hooker perfume and are very smart with tight, high, large balls that smell like top shelf hooker pussy and are important.

What are your thoughts on Tanquery 10?


In seriousness, I've never had it. Is it good?
 
2013-05-22 05:52:42 PM

meathome: /and anyone who has actually formally trained to be behind a bar would know that.


Hey bartender! What'djya learn in school?
 
2013-05-22 05:53:13 PM

mjohnson71: I was at a wedding reception one time when they were serving rotgut rail. The vodka tasted like hairspray and the rum tasted...like I'd imagine Pine Sol tastes like. After 3 drinks I gave up and just went with water.

If you're going to use rail, at least get some decent stuff.


Reminds me of the wedding I was at where they put ice in the wine... to chill it.

If you're into rum, there's a very nice offering from Belize (One Barrel) which is made with butterscotch.  On it's own, it's very nice, but add a splash of fruit juice (or better yet, old-style coca-cola) and you've got something that's bordering on heavenly.
 
2013-05-22 05:54:59 PM
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2013-05-22 05:57:04 PM
Back in my early 20s an older friend of mine didn't believe a person could tell the difference between vodkas of varying quality.  This, I think, was what he told himself to justify the swill he had been stocking his liquor cabinet with for years.  He was a research scientist, so  he arranged a double-blind taste test with four vodkas and six glasses.   All I knew was that each vodka was represented at least once.    I correctly identified most of them by smell before I tasted, and then I correctly identified the rest by taste.   In theory, it is all the same stuff.  In practice, the premium brands do a much better job of filtering out impurities.

As for the "don't use mixers with premium liquors" attitude, this works fine if you can't tell the difference.  For everyone else, I can't imagine not being able to immediately identify/smell a bourbon and coke made with Old Crow or Early Times.  Even Jim Beam (white label) is an improvement, and further improvements can be made with a slight step up to bourbons such as Elijah Craig, Bulleit, Wild Turkey, and Buffalo Trace.   Jim Beam Black Label is an excellent bourbon to mix with coke considering both price and complementary flavors.   Beyond that level I agree money and (subtle flavors) are being wasted.
 
2013-05-22 05:57:21 PM
1.bp.blogspot.com
Heaven in my mouth
 
2013-05-22 05:58:48 PM

Cyno01: thismomentinblackhistory: unyon: factoryconnection: EvilEgg: If you are paying for top shelf in your mixed drink, you deserve what you get.

Exactly.  The only way you can pass off Evan Williams black-label as Woodford Reserve is when it is mixed with Coke.

DRTFA, but knowing Jersey and TGIF clientele, I'm thinking that it was probably Fleischmann's Vodka and sprite instead of Grey Goose and sprite, as if anyone could tell the difference.  In fact, I've heard Kirkland-brand Vodka and Grey Goose are distilled in the same place.

The very idea of a premium vodka is a joke.  Vodka is the absence of flavour.  The best vodka is pure ethanol.

Stoli is as high up the shelf worth going. Otherwise you are paying for pretty bottles and expensive marketing campaigns.

I also love the people who try to order "top shelf" Long Islands. Wtf.....

Considering most bars use a premix and throw a splash of sour mix and coke ontop...

[www.totalwine.com image 250x350]

I dont think its too much to ask a bartender to actually mix a drink. I made my SO a real IBA spec long island and she complained it didnt taste like it did at the bar. :-/


Long Islands are for getting drunk, not for flavor.
 
2013-05-22 05:59:06 PM
There was a bar I worked at for a while that would buy insanely cheap alcohol, and adulterate the call spirits with the cheap stuff, usually to about 1:4 good:horrific.  No one ever caught on.  Of course, it helps that it was a biker bar, and very few of the patrons ever bought anything more then well drinks or beer.
 
2013-05-22 06:22:13 PM

Unicron74: theorellior: God, just the mention of Grey Goose in this thread and already I'm imagining the smell of Axe and hearing the "'Sup, bro?" greetings.

Well if you went to Sona 13(one of the bars on the list) you would hear that a ton. Which is a shame because when it opened, it had a lot of potential to be a decent hangout.


It was. I know all 3 owners. Was very surprised to see this.. then again a loy has probably changed in the past 2 years since I moved.
 
2013-05-22 06:30:53 PM

calbert: [res.moviezine.se.s3-external-3.amazonaws.com image 490x325]

/obscure?


Wait, I got this.   Ghandi, right?
 
2013-05-22 06:36:06 PM
I admit I'm not that good at differentiating between brands of alcohol; I have trouble telling the difference between Bombay and Tanqueray, or between Jim and Jack. But I CAN tell when it's bottom of the barrel rail crap instead of something halfway decent, and so can most people with half a brain, seeing as that nifty lighter fluid tang tends to give it away.

/But don't you dare give me a cheap mixer. I can tell when you use the no-name tonic instead of the Fever-Tree I paid an extra $4 for.
 
2013-05-22 06:55:35 PM

Radioactive Ass: The trays attached to the bar...[snip]


Thanks.
 
2013-05-22 06:58:33 PM

unyon: NASAM: Red Shirt Blues: EvilEgg: If you are paying for top shelf in your mixed drink, you deserve what you get.

This. Made waaaay too many Crown and Cokes when I was a bartender.

Crown is not top shelf.  Crown is garbage.

Crown isn't garbage- overrated perhaps, but not garbage.  It's not proper rye, though.  That corn blend that gives it sweetness and drinkability straight cuts too much of the edge off the rye.

Good rye whiskey, drunk straight, should start like lighter fluid and end like a chainsaw.


While I don't agree with your assessment of good rye -- I prefer a long finish that fades -- I do agree with the point on Crown Royal.  It's serviceable and much better than other low end swill.  Obviously overrated, like most overmarketed booze.

If you're not adverse to blended rye, I highly recommend trying the stuff from Forty Creek coming out of Ontario.  It can be quite hard to find, depending where you are, but even their baseline 'Barrel Select' brand is much better and, IMO, the best value rye / rye blend out there.  Most of their special editions and reserve blends are outstanding but, also, limited editions and much harder to find.

http://fortycreekwhisky.com/

/only drink Canadian rye
//currently parched
 
2013-05-22 07:09:33 PM

calbert: /obscure?


Live action SpongeBob?
 
2013-05-22 07:11:19 PM

Cyno01: thismomentinblackhistory: unyon: factoryconnection: EvilEgg: If you are paying for top shelf in your mixed drink, you deserve what you get.

Exactly.  The only way you can pass off Evan Williams black-label as Woodford Reserve is when it is mixed with Coke.

DRTFA, but knowing Jersey and TGIF clientele, I'm thinking that it was probably Fleischmann's Vodka and sprite instead of Grey Goose and sprite, as if anyone could tell the difference.  In fact, I've heard Kirkland-brand Vodka and Grey Goose are distilled in the same place.

The very idea of a premium vodka is a joke.  Vodka is the absence of flavour.  The best vodka is pure ethanol.

Stoli is as high up the shelf worth going. Otherwise you are paying for pretty bottles and expensive marketing campaigns.

I also love the people who try to order "top shelf" Long Islands. Wtf.....

Considering most bars use a premix and throw a splash of sour mix and coke ontop...

[www.totalwine.com image 250x350]

I dont think its too much to ask a bartender to actually mix a drink. I made my SO a real IBA spec long island and she complained it didnt taste like it did at the bar. :-/


I don't order top shelf but I can certainly tast the difference between that mix and a regular one.  That mix is f'ing disgusting.

And yes I actually drink LI's because I think they are good.  Not because I think I am getting something over on the bar.

I really wonder what the yearly savings for them was by doing that, it hardly seems worth it.  It's not like people at TGIF are ordering Hennessy Cognac Richard.
 
2013-05-22 07:16:34 PM
As much as Kansas liquor laws are insanely stupid, they do have one that's right.  You refill an empty booze bottle with anything and it's pretty much a death sentence for your liquor license.
 
2013-05-22 07:23:38 PM

basemetal: EvilEgg: If you are paying for top shelf in your mixed drink, you deserve what you get.

Meh, if you want to drink yours straight, go for it.  Myself, if I want some tonic and a lime with my Bombay Sapphire, that's my own damned business.

/and bartenders, I can tell the difference and will send it back


It makes a difference in a few drinks but you don't need Gray Goose if you're just going to mix it with cranberry juice or Crown Royal if you're just mixing it with Coke.
 
2013-05-22 07:27:07 PM
Dirt cheap Kentucky Gentleman whiskey, a couple of corn dogs and a fudgecicle for dessert, and a couple of '80s Kurt Russell movies and I'm set for the night.  That's about 10 bucks worth of happy right there.
 
2013-05-22 07:29:31 PM
NASAM:
Crown is not top shelf.  Crown is garbage.

and Johnny Walker Blue is only for neophytes who don't have an extensive knowledge of the best single malt scotch.

/don't be that guy
 
2013-05-22 07:32:33 PM

NASAM: Red Shirt Blues: EvilEgg: If you are paying for top shelf in your mixed drink, you deserve what you get.

This. Made waaaay too many Crown and Cokes when I was a bartender.

Crown is not top shelf.  Crown is garbage.


Yup. Same price as CC or VO on the shelves in the liquor stores here in Ontario.
Bars will charge premium however.
 
2013-05-22 07:32:50 PM

Uncle Bester: pregerstheHobo: The one and only time I've been to a TGI Fridays was after a looooooooooooong day of traveling and we got to the hotel in Panama City next to the canal. We were hungry and thirsty and tired and the restaurant in the hotel was a Fridays. Bienvenido a Friday's!

I plan on keeping that my one and only experience at a TGIF. Fark that place.

The last time I visited a TGI Friday's was the last time I stayed in Beijing (which happened to be last week).
The hotel had one and I craved a not so Chinese meal after working late one night.
The food and service was pretty much on par with locations in the States.


I think the one I went to was too. It reminded me of all chile's/applebee's/black-eyed peas type places. But I hardly go to those places in the states anyways.
 
2013-05-22 07:36:18 PM
Not only that, but they sell frozen ravioli and have their desserts made offsite.
 
2013-05-22 07:42:01 PM

miss diminutive: This might explain why my last screaming orgasm wasn't up to par.


This explains why I love you.
 
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