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2013-05-22 03:14:25 PM  
If you are paying for top shelf in your mixed drink, you deserve what you get.
 
2013-05-22 03:31:46 PM  

EvilEgg: If you are paying for top shelf in your mixed drink, you deserve what you get.


This. Made waaaay too many Crown and Cokes when I was a bartender.
 
2013-05-22 03:44:13 PM  
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2013-05-22 03:46:20 PM  

EvilEgg: If you are paying for top shelf in your mixed drink, you deserve what you get.


Meh, if you want to drink yours straight, go for it.  Myself, if I want some tonic and a lime with my Bombay Sapphire, that's my own damned business.

/and bartenders, I can tell the difference and will send it back
 
2013-05-22 03:47:17 PM  

EvilEgg: If you are paying for top shelf in your mixed drink, you deserve what you get.


Exactly.  The only way you can pass off Evan Williams black-label as Woodford Reserve is when it is mixed with Coke.

DRTFA, but knowing Jersey and TGIF clientele, I'm thinking that it was probably Fleischmann's Vodka and sprite instead of Grey Goose and sprite, as if anyone could tell the difference.  In fact, I've heard Kirkland-brand Vodka and Grey Goose are distilled in the same place.
 
2013-05-22 03:51:02 PM  
This might explain why my last screaming orgasm wasn't up to par.
 
2013-05-22 03:54:47 PM  
I can't believe the discerning customers at TGI Fridays couldn't tell the difference.
 
2013-05-22 04:01:59 PM  

factoryconnection: EvilEgg: If you are paying for top shelf in your mixed drink, you deserve what you get.

Exactly.  The only way you can pass off Evan Williams black-label as Woodford Reserve is when it is mixed with Coke.

DRTFA, but knowing Jersey and TGIF clientele, I'm thinking that it was probably Fleischmann's Vodka and sprite instead of Grey Goose and sprite, as if anyone could tell the difference.  In fact, I've heard Kirkland-brand Vodka and Grey Goose are distilled in the same place.


I just threw up in my mouth a little. Fleischmann's is disgusting. There's not a mix in the world that can fix the taste of Seagram's or Fleischmann's.
 
2013-05-22 04:02:37 PM  
Interesting, all of the TGIFridays listed are owned by the same franchisee, The Braid Restaurant Group. They only own 3 others in NJ. I wonder if this was corporate policy? And if so, I wonder if a RICO charge could be leveled?
 
2013-05-22 04:04:35 PM  
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/obscure?
 
2013-05-22 04:05:00 PM  

calbert: [res.moviezine.se.s3-external-3.amazonaws.com image 490x325]

/obscure?


Friends?
 
2013-05-22 04:06:52 PM  

miss diminutive: calbert: [res.moviezine.se.s3-external-3.amazonaws.com image 490x325]

/obscure?

Friends?


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2013-05-22 04:34:17 PM  

factoryconnection: EvilEgg: If you are paying for top shelf in your mixed drink, you deserve what you get.

Exactly.  The only way you can pass off Evan Williams black-label as Woodford Reserve is when it is mixed with Coke.

DRTFA, but knowing Jersey and TGIF clientele, I'm thinking that it was probably Fleischmann's Vodka and sprite instead of Grey Goose and sprite, as if anyone could tell the difference.  In fact, I've heard Kirkland-brand Vodka and Grey Goose are distilled in the same place.


The very idea of a premium vodka is a joke.  Vodka is the absence of flavour.  The best vodka is pure ethanol.
 
2013-05-22 04:38:28 PM  

unyon: factoryconnection: EvilEgg: If you are paying for top shelf in your mixed drink, you deserve what you get.

Exactly.  The only way you can pass off Evan Williams black-label as Woodford Reserve is when it is mixed with Coke.

DRTFA, but knowing Jersey and TGIF clientele, I'm thinking that it was probably Fleischmann's Vodka and sprite instead of Grey Goose and sprite, as if anyone could tell the difference.  In fact, I've heard Kirkland-brand Vodka and Grey Goose are distilled in the same place.

The very idea of a premium vodka is a joke.  Vodka is the absence of flavour.  The best vodka is pure ethanol.


I think you answered your own question.
 
2013-05-22 04:54:21 PM  

unyon: factoryconnection: EvilEgg: If you are paying for top shelf in your mixed drink, you deserve what you get.

Exactly.  The only way you can pass off Evan Williams black-label as Woodford Reserve is when it is mixed with Coke.

DRTFA, but knowing Jersey and TGIF clientele, I'm thinking that it was probably Fleischmann's Vodka and sprite instead of Grey Goose and sprite, as if anyone could tell the difference.  In fact, I've heard Kirkland-brand Vodka and Grey Goose are distilled in the same place.

The very idea of a premium vodka is a joke.  Vodka is the absence of flavour.  The best vodka is pure ethanol.


Stoli is as high up the shelf worth going. Otherwise you are paying for pretty bottles and expensive marketing campaigns.

I also love the people who try to order "top shelf" Long Islands. Wtf.....
 
2013-05-22 04:57:29 PM  

calbert: [res.moviezine.se.s3-external-3.amazonaws.com image 490x325]

/obscure?


I wager there's hardly a single Farker who has ever seen that movie.
 
2013-05-22 04:57:52 PM  
Uh, I was under the understanding at the end of the night, most bars fill up their top shelf alcohol bottles with the cheaper shiat.
 
2013-05-22 04:59:54 PM  

unyon: factoryconnection: EvilEgg: If you are paying for top shelf in your mixed drink, you deserve what you get.

Exactly.  The only way you can pass off Evan Williams black-label as Woodford Reserve is when it is mixed with Coke.

DRTFA, but knowing Jersey and TGIF clientele, I'm thinking that it was probably Fleischmann's Vodka and sprite instead of Grey Goose and sprite, as if anyone could tell the difference.  In fact, I've heard Kirkland-brand Vodka and Grey Goose are distilled in the same place.

The very idea of a premium vodka is a joke.  Vodka is the absence of flavour.  The best vodka is pure ethanol.


I'd stuff my bottle of Tito's up your ass but I'm pouring some in a few hours.
 
2013-05-22 05:00:32 PM  

Red Shirt Blues: EvilEgg: If you are paying for top shelf in your mixed drink, you deserve what you get.

This. Made waaaay too many Crown and Cokes when I was a bartender.


Crown is not top shelf.  Crown is garbage.
 
2013-05-22 05:00:33 PM  
The one and only time I've been to a TGI Fridays was after a looooooooooooong day of traveling and we got to the hotel in Panama City next to the canal. We were hungry and thirsty and tired and the restaurant in the hotel was a Fridays. Bienvenido a Friday's!

I plan on keeping that my one and only experience at a TGIF. Fark that place.
 
2013-05-22 05:01:07 PM  

EvilEgg: If you are paying for top shelf in your mixed drink, you deserve what you get.


Truth.
 
2013-05-22 05:01:13 PM  
You mean they just figured this out? I thought this was SOP around the country.
 
2013-05-22 05:01:15 PM  
I propose a new government job. I'll go from bar to bar with nips of top shelf liquors. I will have each bar pour me a shot of each kind of liquor. I will match shot for shot with my nips. If I notice any discrepancies I will make an appointment to revisit that bar at a later date and do the test again.

If they fail twice, I own the bar.
 
2013-05-22 05:02:23 PM  

calbert: /obscure?


Very.
 
2013-05-22 05:02:59 PM  

basemetal: EvilEgg: If you are paying for top shelf in your mixed drink, you deserve what you get.

Meh, if you want to drink yours straight, go for it.  Myself, if I want some tonic and a lime with my Bombay Sapphire, that's my own damned business.

/and bartenders, I can tell the difference and will send it back


You probably can (I can for sure) - incidentally try Citadelle if you like Bombay Sapphire...

*BUT* most people can't.

I had a poor friend in college who was dating a high dollar girl who constantly made him buy top shelf drinks for her (gin - Bombay Sapphire actually). Since I was a big gin guy and girls normally aren't, I was curious if she even knew the difference between that and wells. -Honestly I'm impressed by anyone who appreciates gin, especially the girls.

So I did a taste test on her for two drinks... she failed... I told her she was right... and let my friend know his drink bills were about to get a *lot* cheaper with this one.
 
2013-05-22 05:04:01 PM  
I don't always order Swill, but when I do, it's at TGI Friday's.
 
2013-05-22 05:04:07 PM  
What I order either comes from a shelf too high for the bartender to reach...or from a plastic jug on the ground.  There is no in-between when it comes to whiskey.
 
2013-05-22 05:05:51 PM  

Sybarite: I can't believe the discerning customers at TGI Fridays couldn't tell the difference.


TFA: "Officials said more than 100 state investigators worked on the probe, which involved customer complaints..."
 
2013-05-22 05:06:43 PM  
Thank God It's Georgi.
 
2013-05-22 05:07:06 PM  
Wait persons at TGITMA (Thank God It's the Middle Ages) have to wear chain mail that looks like flair. On the plus side, many a wait person has been saved from sneek attacks with dirks and daggers, and the occasional sword. The helmets help.

I'm just making that up. But if the Potzrebie Effect is real, the fact that I can conceive it means that it actually exists in another universe somewhere.

I figure if there is anything as improbable as a "Thank God It's Monday" coffee mug, there must be a universe where TGITMA's is a real thing. Don't we have Renaissance Fayres and Medieval dinner and a mélee places? Why wouldn't people go for a Medieval Theme Restaurant, heavy on the beef, with edible trenchers of bread?

Trencher men (fatties) would love it.

All you can eat Sir Loin, Baron of Beef, Count de Monnaie, Duke of Earl, and Bugs Bunny broiled rabbit platters.

No potatoes though. That would be going too far, namely to the New World and back.

Yes, it's a good world. And as it's creator, I get to to freeload at all the restaurants I invent, all the hotels I invent, and duty free shops. Creator's Discount. OR ELSE.
 
2013-05-22 05:08:53 PM  
Wouldnt that pretty much be automatic forfeiture of their liquor license?  The fact that it was many TGI Friday's would also suggest it was a bit more than just a weekday manager trying to squeeze a few bucks more into the profit margin.  Assuming it came from any higher up you can probably add racketeering charges as well.

/We all know that thirteen 40-something-year old female managers are about to get thrown under a bus but this sounds a lot "sleazier" than that.
 
2013-05-22 05:09:25 PM  

basemetal: EvilEgg: If you are paying for top shelf in your mixed drink, you deserve what you get.

Meh, if you want to drink yours straight, go for it.  Myself, if I want some tonic and a lime with my Bombay Sapphire, that's my own damned business.

/and bartenders, I can tell the difference and will send it back


Same here with Tanqueray. Rail gin is horrible swill and I can tell the difference.
 
2013-05-22 05:09:41 PM  
At least they got alcohol. How many times I ordered a drink at Tipsy McSwaggers and received nary a buzz for my trouble. Hard Rock, I'm looking at you!
 
2013-05-22 05:10:09 PM  

EvilEgg: If you are paying for top shelf in your mixed drink

  go to TGI Fridays, you deserve what you get.

Fixed.
 
2013-05-22 05:10:10 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: There's not a mix in the world that can fix the taste of Seagram's or Fleischmann's.


Haha you haven't had terrible vodak til you've had Heaven Hills. That shiat tastes exactly how rubbing alcohol smells. For $12 a 1.75 liter bottle Barton's is alright. TAAKA is decent but the name makes me think it's a sound the heavy in tf2 would make.
 
2013-05-22 05:10:34 PM  
The hell with getting the brand right.  It seems lately that too many places can't even get the LIQUOR right.  Since when does a Gimlet or a Mojito involve vodka without specifying so (or even if you specify it)?  Apparently since vodka got cheap, I guess...  For that matter, even the venerable Martini deserves to be labeled as a Vodka Martini when that substitution is made.  At least freakin' ask before you dump Grey Goose on me instead of the gin, rum, or whatever cocktail I asked for and think I won't frickin' notice.  Well is fine, but at least give me what I ordered!  Geez.
 
2013-05-22 05:10:56 PM  
Friendly advice: never say "obscure?" when the reference is RIGHT THERE IN THE FARKING HEADLINE.

Color me shocked that the sophisticated palettes among TGIF clientele were unable to suss this out.
 
2013-05-22 05:11:29 PM  

NASAM: Red Shirt Blues: EvilEgg: If you are paying for top shelf in your mixed drink, you deserve what you get.

This. Made waaaay too many Crown and Cokes when I was a bartender.

Crown is not top shelf.  Crown is garbage.


Oh look, it's that guy.
 
2013-05-22 05:12:05 PM  

NASAM: Red Shirt Blues: EvilEgg: If you are paying for top shelf in your mixed drink, you deserve what you get.

This. Made waaaay too many Crown and Cokes when I was a bartender.

Crown is not top shelf.  Crown is garbage.


Crown isn't garbage- overrated perhaps, but not garbage.  It's not proper rye, though.  That corn blend that gives it sweetness and drinkability straight cuts too much of the edge off the rye.

Good rye whiskey, drunk straight, should start like lighter fluid and end like a chainsaw.
 
2013-05-22 05:12:45 PM  
I just wish weights and measures would get involved.  I'm sick of being served a "pint" in a 13oz, heavy-bottomed shaker glass.
 
2013-05-22 05:13:30 PM  
God, just the mention of Grey Goose in this thread and already I'm imagining the smell of Axe and hearing the "'Sup, bro?" greetings.
 
2013-05-22 05:13:47 PM  

keepitcherry: NASAM: Red Shirt Blues: EvilEgg: If you are paying for top shelf in your mixed drink, you deserve what you get.

This. Made waaaay too many Crown and Cokes when I was a bartender.

Crown is not top shelf.  Crown is garbage.

Oh look, it's that guy.


Which one?  The one that recognizes and appreciates good whiskey?
 
2013-05-22 05:14:24 PM  
TGI Friday's is horrible. Whenever I order a Screaming Viking there, it's impossible to get one with a bruised cucumber.
 
2013-05-22 05:15:25 PM  

Gabrielmot: basemetal: EvilEgg: If you are paying for top shelf in your mixed drink, you deserve what you get.

Meh, if you want to drink yours straight, go for it.  Myself, if I want some tonic and a lime with my Bombay Sapphire, that's my own damned business.

/and bartenders, I can tell the difference and will send it back

You probably can (I can for sure) - incidentally try Citadelle if you like Bombay Sapphire...

*BUT* most people can't.


If it was vodka, or some other spirit, I wouldn't know the difference, but I have had to tell a bartender to open the new bottle because that's not Bombay.  (a couple of times my buddy and I both looked at each other and told the waitress, that's not Sapphire).

/will try the Citadelle
 
2013-05-22 05:15:34 PM  
EW! EW! Is this that thread? I LOVE this thread.

Ahum, Bombay Sapphire is for posers that don't know about important things and also they smell bad and are dumb and have saggy balls with funny smells that are unimportant.

Hendrick's or Broker's are the only gins for people that are not posers and know about important things and smell like top-shelf hooker perfume and are very smart with tight, high, large balls that smell like top shelf hooker pussy and are important.
 
2013-05-22 05:15:42 PM  

Super Chronic: Friendly advice: never say "obscure?" when the reference is RIGHT THERE IN THE FARKING HEADLINE.

Color me shocked that the sophisticated palettes among TGIF clientele were unable to suss this out.


So what you're saying is the reference was so completely not obscure from both references in both the headline and the picture, that when he typed "obscure" it became near comical?

I think you and I have discovered a new form of comedy.
 
2013-05-22 05:16:29 PM  

theorellior: God, just the mention of Grey Goose in this thread and already I'm imagining the smell of Axe and hearing the "'Sup, bro?" greetings.


Not as much with Grey Goose. Totally with Three Olives.
 
2013-05-22 05:16:29 PM  

Gabrielmot: basemetal: EvilEgg: If you are paying for top shelf in your mixed drink, you deserve what you get.

Meh, if you want to drink yours straight, go for it. Myself, if I want some tonic and a lime with my Bombay Sapphire, that's my own damned business.

/and bartenders, I can tell the difference and will send it back

You probably can (I can for sure) - incidentally try Citadelle if you like Bombay Sapphire...




Also, "tonic and lime" isn't going to do much to mask the flavor. Orange juice, Coke, and things that actually have a flavor themselves might do a bit more.

/wtf is a "well drink"?
 
2013-05-22 05:16:52 PM  
FTFA: "The investigation was dubbed "Operation Swill" and found 29 bars and restaurants serving well-brand alcohol in place of premium"

What in the raging fark is "well-brand alcohol"?  The whole point of well alcohol is that it isn't brandname. (And tastes like salty piss, but that's a different matter.)
 
2013-05-22 05:17:52 PM  

Those SNL fake ads were pretty good sometimes. More than once it was nearly over before I realized that it was a fake.

Remember the Gay Beer ad with Chris Farley and the gorgeous pool boys? the Diamonds are Forever parody with lesbians? Those were two of many that fooled me at least part way through. Ah, sometimes SNL was as good as it used to be*.

And sometimes it was ahead of its time.

*I allude to the tale that somebody once complained to Mr. Mark Lemon, co-founder and a long time Editor of PUNCH magazine that it wasn't what it used to be and he replied modestly that it never was.

Mark Lemon's father was a hop merchant in London, which brings us back to beer.

upload.wikimedia.org

Mark Lemon bore a slight resemblance to Chris Farley
 
2013-05-22 05:18:34 PM  

roblarky: calbert: [res.moviezine.se.s3-external-3.amazonaws.com image 490x325]

/obscure?

I wager there's hardly a single Farker who has ever seen that movie.


I remember it. It's from Highlander II .
 
2013-05-22 05:18:46 PM  

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: EW! EW! Is this that thread? I LOVE this thread.

Ahum, Bombay Sapphire is for posers that don't know about important things and also they smell bad and are dumb and have saggy balls with funny smells that are unimportant.

Hendrick's or Broker's are the only gins for people that are not posers and know about important things and smell like top-shelf hooker perfume and are very smart with tight, high, large balls that smell like top shelf hooker pussy and are important.


Okay, I am 50, so you might have me on the saggy balls, but i just showered so I smell all purtty.

/plus I are smart
 
2013-05-22 05:21:06 PM  

roblarky: calbert: [res.moviezine.se.s3-external-3.amazonaws.com image 490x325]

/obscure?

I wager there's hardly a single Farker who has ever seen that movie.


Or read the headline!
 
2013-05-22 05:21:23 PM  
I once called a server on this.  I was quite sure that the 15 yr old Irish that I'd ordered (neat) was Bushmills or something else low-shelf.

Waiter was adamant that no such thing could have possibly happened but everyone at our table felt that the reactions of the bartender and manager (who got shifty, didn't make eye contact, hastily comped the drink while continuing to insist that such an error was impossible with their system) were the actions of guilty men.

Funny.  My next two rounds tasted like 15 yr old Jamesons.
 
2013-05-22 05:21:48 PM  

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: EW! EW! Is this that thread? I LOVE this thread.

Ahum, Bombay Sapphire is for posers that don't know about important things and also they smell bad and are dumb and have saggy balls with funny smells that are unimportant.

Hendrick's or Broker's are the only gins for people that are not posers and know about important things and smell like top-shelf hooker perfume and are very smart with tight, high, large balls that smell like top shelf hooker pussy and are important.


What are your thoughts on Tanquery 10?
 
2013-05-22 05:22:06 PM  

unyon: NASAM: Red Shirt Blues: EvilEgg: If you are paying for top shelf in your mixed drink, you deserve what you get.

This. Made waaaay too many Crown and Cokes when I was a bartender.

Crown is not top shelf.  Crown is garbage.

Crown isn't garbage- overrated perhaps, but not garbage.  It's not proper rye, though.  That corn blend that gives it sweetness and drinkability straight cuts too much of the edge off the rye.

Good rye whiskey, drunk straight, should start like lighter fluid and end like a chainsaw.


I like Bulleit rye neat. Almost always hits the spot.
 
2013-05-22 05:23:05 PM  

TheOtherGuy: The hell with getting the brand right.  It seems lately that too many places can't even get the LIQUOR right.  Since when does a Gimlet or a Mojito involve vodka without specifying so (or even if you specify it)?  Apparently since vodka got cheap, I guess...  For that matter, even the venerable Martini deserves to be labeled as a Vodka Martini when that substitution is made.  At least freakin' ask before you dump Grey Goose on me instead of the gin, rum, or whatever cocktail I asked for and think I won't frickin' notice.  Well is fine, but at least give me what I ordered!  Geez.


I think most places where they'd get a martini wrong aren't a good place to order one. But I've had that problem before. Nice place, lots of "craft cocktails" and when I ask for a martini they start to reach for the vodka. Then they get all indignant when I tell them I want a gin martini. "You should have specified." Uh, no.

Same for a Tom Collins. One night one of my local bars (not a great place) offered a special on them. I order one and it comes out with vodka, sour mix, and sprite in a pint glass. When I sent it back the bartender had the nerve to tell me that it was right and that he knew how to make one.
 
2013-05-22 05:26:02 PM  

thismomentinblackhistory: unyon: factoryconnection: EvilEgg: If you are paying for top shelf in your mixed drink, you deserve what you get.

Exactly.  The only way you can pass off Evan Williams black-label as Woodford Reserve is when it is mixed with Coke.

DRTFA, but knowing Jersey and TGIF clientele, I'm thinking that it was probably Fleischmann's Vodka and sprite instead of Grey Goose and sprite, as if anyone could tell the difference.  In fact, I've heard Kirkland-brand Vodka and Grey Goose are distilled in the same place.

The very idea of a premium vodka is a joke.  Vodka is the absence of flavour.  The best vodka is pure ethanol.

Stoli is as high up the shelf worth going. Otherwise you are paying for pretty bottles and expensive marketing campaigns.

I also love the people who try to order "top shelf" Long Islands. Wtf.....


Considering most bars use a premix and throw a splash of sour mix and coke ontop...

www.totalwine.com

I dont think its too much to ask a bartender to actually mix a drink. I made my SO a real IBA spec long island and she complained it didnt taste like it did at the bar. :-/
 
2013-05-22 05:26:10 PM  

unyon: The best vodka is pure ethanol.


No, but thanks for playing.
 
2013-05-22 05:26:39 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: /wtf is a "well drink"?


The trays attached to the bar at the bartenders waist level are called "Wells". It's usually filled with bottle of the cheap stuff. Drinks made from the well are well drinks and are usually a few bucks less than "Call" drinks where a brand is specified.

For example if you ask for a whiskey and coke you get well whiskey and coke while a Jack and coke uses Jack Daniels and costs more.

Some places use rot gut in their wells while others use a slightly better quality product. You can ask what brand of (whatever) the bar has in the well and then decide if you want a well or call drink.
 
2013-05-22 05:27:10 PM  

NASAM: Red Shirt Blues: EvilEgg: If you are paying for top shelf in your mixed drink, you deserve what you get.

This. Made waaaay too many Crown and Cokes when I was a bartender.

Crown is not top shelf.  Crown is garbage.


you are wrong sir.
 
2013-05-22 05:28:15 PM  

seventypercent: Screaming Viking


I haven't been called that since my honeymoon night!
 
2013-05-22 05:30:17 PM  

unyon: The very idea of a premium vodka is a joke. Vodka is the absence of flavour.


Not much of a drinker, and when I do I normally drink beer, but every time I walk by the hard liquor aisle in the grocery store and see all the flavored vodkas, I think "Whatever happened to vodka-flavored vodka?"
 
2013-05-22 05:30:41 PM  

pregerstheHobo: The one and only time I've been to a TGI Fridays was after a looooooooooooong day of traveling and we got to the hotel in Panama City next to the canal. We were hungry and thirsty and tired and the restaurant in the hotel was a Fridays. Bienvenido a Friday's!

I plan on keeping that my one and only experience at a TGIF. Fark that place.


The last time I visited a TGI Friday's was the last time I stayed in Beijing (which happened to be last week).
The hotel had one and I craved a not so Chinese meal after working late one night.
The food and service was pretty much on par with locations in the States.
 
2013-05-22 05:31:08 PM  

A Terrible Human: Haha you haven't had terrible vodak til you've had Heaven Hills. That shiat tastes exactly how rubbing alcohol smells. For $12 a 1.75 liter bottle Barton's is alright. TAAKA is decent but the name makes me think it's a sound the heavy in tf2 would make.


If you'd like to try your hand with some truly wretched vodak, try some of the lower quality offerings from Zusco (which are sometimes used as counterfeit Hanoi).  Tried it for the first (and last) time in 2000, and I can still remember the taste.  It was a combination of bad almonds and petrol.
 
2013-05-22 05:32:40 PM  
The last time I got a drink at the TGIF in Chase field, I specifically asked for well. I was told they only had premium and was charged for it. Only had 1 and it was the last one I will ever have there! Arizona Club at least will let you choose.
 
2013-05-22 05:35:54 PM  

meathome: If you'd like to try your hand with some truly wretched vodak, try some of the lower quality offerings from Zusco (which are sometimes used as counterfeit Hanoi). Tried it for the first (and last) time in 2000, and I can still remember the taste. It was a combination of bad almonds and petrol.


I hate my taste buds and liver bad enough that I need to try that.
/Crappy vodka for when you have to get drunk within 3 hours of waking up.
 
2013-05-22 05:35:55 PM  

meathome: A Terrible Human: Haha you haven't had terrible vodak til you've had Heaven Hills. That shiat tastes exactly how rubbing alcohol smells. For $12 a 1.75 liter bottle Barton's is alright. TAAKA is decent but the name makes me think it's a sound the heavy in tf2 would make.

If you'd like to try your hand with some truly wretched vodak, try some of the lower quality offerings from Zusco (which are sometimes used as counterfeit Hanoi).  Tried it for the first (and last) time in 2000, and I can still remember the taste.  It was a combination of bad almonds and petrol.


I was at a wedding reception one time when they were serving rotgut rail. The vodka tasted like hairspray and the rum tasted...like I'd imagine Pine Sol tastes like. After 3 drinks I gave up and just went with water.

If you're going to use rail, at least get some decent stuff.
 
2013-05-22 05:36:43 PM  

Khellendros: unyon: The best vodka is pure ethanol.

No, but thanks for playing.


To clarify, the best vodka is pure ethanol and water.   Vodka is 40% alcohol (i.e.: ethanol), 60% water.  The only thing that distinguishes vodkas at that level is the concentration of hydrates buffering the alcohol and water molecules.

Any other imparted flavour in vodka other than alcohol is by definition an impurity.
 
2013-05-22 05:36:50 PM  

unyon: factoryconnection: EvilEgg: If you are paying for top shelf in your mixed drink, you deserve what you get.

Exactly.  The only way you can pass off Evan Williams black-label as Woodford Reserve is when it is mixed with Coke.

DRTFA, but knowing Jersey and TGIF clientele, I'm thinking that it was probably Fleischmann's Vodka and sprite instead of Grey Goose and sprite, as if anyone could tell the difference.  In fact, I've heard Kirkland-brand Vodka and Grey Goose are distilled in the same place.

The very idea of a premium vodka is a joke.  Vodka is the absence of flavour.  The best vodka is pure ethanol.


This!   By law, Vodka is allowed to contain only ethanol and water.  Any difference in taste is caused by trace levels of stuff like ethyl acetate, ethyl lactate and fusel oils.  In other words, the more you can taste the difference, the more rotgut it is (albeit, expensive rotgut).
 
2013-05-22 05:37:28 PM  

Treygreen13: TheOtherGuy: The hell with getting the brand right.  It seems lately that too many places can't even get the LIQUOR right.  Since when does a Gimlet or a Mojito involve vodka without specifying so (or even if you specify it)?  Apparently since vodka got cheap, I guess...  For that matter, even the venerable Martini deserves to be labeled as a Vodka Martini when that substitution is made.  At least freakin' ask before you dump Grey Goose on me instead of the gin, rum, or whatever cocktail I asked for and think I won't frickin' notice.  Well is fine, but at least give me what I ordered!  Geez.

I think most places where they'd get a martini wrong aren't a good place to order one. But I've had that problem before. Nice place, lots of "craft cocktails" and when I ask for a martini they start to reach for the vodka. Then they get all indignant when I tell them I want a gin martini. "You should have specified." Uh, no.

Same for a Tom Collins. One night one of my local bars (not a great place) offered a special on them. I order one and it comes out with vodka, sour mix, and sprite in a pint glass. When I sent it back the bartender had the nerve to tell me that it was right and that he knew how to make one.


I have experience bourbon in my rusty nail on more that one occasion. I nearly threw up due to a bad experience with bourbon as a teen (tween). I cannot tough mash whiskys.
 
2013-05-22 05:37:57 PM  

calbert: [res.moviezine.se.s3-external-3.amazonaws.com image 490x325]

/obscure?


The first Leprechaun movie?
 
2013-05-22 05:37:59 PM  
Glad I only go to bars where I see the drink being made in front of me.

/doesn't stop them from refilling empties with junk
//thankfully Crown Royal has a taste I'll never mistake
 
2013-05-22 05:38:01 PM  

mjohnson71: basemetal: EvilEgg: If you are paying for top shelf in your mixed drink, you deserve what you get.

Meh, if you want to drink yours straight, go for it.  Myself, if I want some tonic and a lime with my Bombay Sapphire, that's my own damned business.

/and bartenders, I can tell the difference and will send it back

Same here with Tanqueray. Rail gin is horrible swill and I can tell the difference.


To quote the Brunchinh Shuttlecocks, well gin is the most godawful substance ever to sterilize a cigarette burn.

Hendricks please.
 
2013-05-22 05:41:43 PM  

Cyno01: thismomentinblackhistory: unyon: factoryconnection: EvilEgg: If you are paying for top shelf in your mixed drink, you deserve what you get.

Exactly.  The only way you can pass off Evan Williams black-label as Woodford Reserve is when it is mixed with Coke.

DRTFA, but knowing Jersey and TGIF clientele, I'm thinking that it was probably Fleischmann's Vodka and sprite instead of Grey Goose and sprite, as if anyone could tell the difference.  In fact, I've heard Kirkland-brand Vodka and Grey Goose are distilled in the same place.

The very idea of a premium vodka is a joke.  Vodka is the absence of flavour.  The best vodka is pure ethanol.

Stoli is as high up the shelf worth going. Otherwise you are paying for pretty bottles and expensive marketing campaigns.

I also love the people who try to order "top shelf" Long Islands. Wtf.....

Considering most bars use a premix and throw a splash of sour mix and coke ontop...



I dont think its too much to ask a bartender to actually mix a drink. I made my SO a real IBA spec long island and she complained it didnt taste like it did at the bar. :-/


It's your money -- I'll make it! I mix my own Long Islands because it looks cool to pick up four bottles at the same time.
 
2013-05-22 05:44:35 PM  

theorellior: God, just the mention of Grey Goose in this thread and already I'm imagining the smell of Axe and hearing the "'Sup, bro?" greetings.


Well if you went to Sona 13(one of the bars on the list) you would hear that a ton. Which is a shame because when it opened, it had a lot of potential to be a decent hangout.
 
2013-05-22 05:48:31 PM  

Treygreen13: I think most places where they'd get a martini wrong aren't a good place to order one. But I've had that problem before. Nice place, lots of "craft cocktails" and when I ask for a martini they start to reach for the vodka. Then they get all indignant when I tell them I want a gin martini. "You should have specified." Uh, no.


If that is the default reaction to one of the most standard cocktails, then that person shouldn't be permitted to tend bar.

/and anyone who has actually formally trained to be behind a bar would know that.
 
2013-05-22 05:52:01 PM  

mjohnson71: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: EW! EW! Is this that thread? I LOVE this thread.

Ahum, Bombay Sapphire is for posers that don't know about important things and also they smell bad and are dumb and have saggy balls with funny smells that are unimportant.

Hendrick's or Broker's are the only gins for people that are not posers and know about important things and smell like top-shelf hooker perfume and are very smart with tight, high, large balls that smell like top shelf hooker pussy and are important.

What are your thoughts on Tanquery 10?


In seriousness, I've never had it. Is it good?
 
2013-05-22 05:52:42 PM  

meathome: /and anyone who has actually formally trained to be behind a bar would know that.


Hey bartender! What'djya learn in school?
 
2013-05-22 05:53:13 PM  

mjohnson71: I was at a wedding reception one time when they were serving rotgut rail. The vodka tasted like hairspray and the rum tasted...like I'd imagine Pine Sol tastes like. After 3 drinks I gave up and just went with water.

If you're going to use rail, at least get some decent stuff.


Reminds me of the wedding I was at where they put ice in the wine... to chill it.

If you're into rum, there's a very nice offering from Belize (One Barrel) which is made with butterscotch.  On it's own, it's very nice, but add a splash of fruit juice (or better yet, old-style coca-cola) and you've got something that's bordering on heavenly.
 
2013-05-22 05:54:59 PM  
simpsonswiki.net

Brought to you by the people who cracked the contents of the 'flaming Moe'!
 
2013-05-22 05:57:04 PM  
Back in my early 20s an older friend of mine didn't believe a person could tell the difference between vodkas of varying quality.  This, I think, was what he told himself to justify the swill he had been stocking his liquor cabinet with for years.  He was a research scientist, so  he arranged a double-blind taste test with four vodkas and six glasses.   All I knew was that each vodka was represented at least once.    I correctly identified most of them by smell before I tasted, and then I correctly identified the rest by taste.   In theory, it is all the same stuff.  In practice, the premium brands do a much better job of filtering out impurities.

As for the "don't use mixers with premium liquors" attitude, this works fine if you can't tell the difference.  For everyone else, I can't imagine not being able to immediately identify/smell a bourbon and coke made with Old Crow or Early Times.  Even Jim Beam (white label) is an improvement, and further improvements can be made with a slight step up to bourbons such as Elijah Craig, Bulleit, Wild Turkey, and Buffalo Trace.   Jim Beam Black Label is an excellent bourbon to mix with coke considering both price and complementary flavors.   Beyond that level I agree money and (subtle flavors) are being wasted.
 
2013-05-22 05:57:21 PM  
1.bp.blogspot.com
Heaven in my mouth
 
2013-05-22 05:58:48 PM  

Cyno01: thismomentinblackhistory: unyon: factoryconnection: EvilEgg: If you are paying for top shelf in your mixed drink, you deserve what you get.

Exactly.  The only way you can pass off Evan Williams black-label as Woodford Reserve is when it is mixed with Coke.

DRTFA, but knowing Jersey and TGIF clientele, I'm thinking that it was probably Fleischmann's Vodka and sprite instead of Grey Goose and sprite, as if anyone could tell the difference.  In fact, I've heard Kirkland-brand Vodka and Grey Goose are distilled in the same place.

The very idea of a premium vodka is a joke.  Vodka is the absence of flavour.  The best vodka is pure ethanol.

Stoli is as high up the shelf worth going. Otherwise you are paying for pretty bottles and expensive marketing campaigns.

I also love the people who try to order "top shelf" Long Islands. Wtf.....

Considering most bars use a premix and throw a splash of sour mix and coke ontop...

[www.totalwine.com image 250x350]

I dont think its too much to ask a bartender to actually mix a drink. I made my SO a real IBA spec long island and she complained it didnt taste like it did at the bar. :-/


Long Islands are for getting drunk, not for flavor.
 
2013-05-22 05:59:06 PM  
There was a bar I worked at for a while that would buy insanely cheap alcohol, and adulterate the call spirits with the cheap stuff, usually to about 1:4 good:horrific.  No one ever caught on.  Of course, it helps that it was a biker bar, and very few of the patrons ever bought anything more then well drinks or beer.
 
2013-05-22 06:22:13 PM  

Unicron74: theorellior: God, just the mention of Grey Goose in this thread and already I'm imagining the smell of Axe and hearing the "'Sup, bro?" greetings.

Well if you went to Sona 13(one of the bars on the list) you would hear that a ton. Which is a shame because when it opened, it had a lot of potential to be a decent hangout.


It was. I know all 3 owners. Was very surprised to see this.. then again a loy has probably changed in the past 2 years since I moved.
 
2013-05-22 06:30:53 PM  

calbert: [res.moviezine.se.s3-external-3.amazonaws.com image 490x325]

/obscure?


Wait, I got this.   Ghandi, right?
 
2013-05-22 06:36:06 PM  
I admit I'm not that good at differentiating between brands of alcohol; I have trouble telling the difference between Bombay and Tanqueray, or between Jim and Jack. But I CAN tell when it's bottom of the barrel rail crap instead of something halfway decent, and so can most people with half a brain, seeing as that nifty lighter fluid tang tends to give it away.

/But don't you dare give me a cheap mixer. I can tell when you use the no-name tonic instead of the Fever-Tree I paid an extra $4 for.
 
2013-05-22 06:55:35 PM  

Radioactive Ass: The trays attached to the bar...[snip]


Thanks.
 
2013-05-22 06:58:33 PM  

unyon: NASAM: Red Shirt Blues: EvilEgg: If you are paying for top shelf in your mixed drink, you deserve what you get.

This. Made waaaay too many Crown and Cokes when I was a bartender.

Crown is not top shelf.  Crown is garbage.

Crown isn't garbage- overrated perhaps, but not garbage.  It's not proper rye, though.  That corn blend that gives it sweetness and drinkability straight cuts too much of the edge off the rye.

Good rye whiskey, drunk straight, should start like lighter fluid and end like a chainsaw.


While I don't agree with your assessment of good rye -- I prefer a long finish that fades -- I do agree with the point on Crown Royal.  It's serviceable and much better than other low end swill.  Obviously overrated, like most overmarketed booze.

If you're not adverse to blended rye, I highly recommend trying the stuff from Forty Creek coming out of Ontario.  It can be quite hard to find, depending where you are, but even their baseline 'Barrel Select' brand is much better and, IMO, the best value rye / rye blend out there.  Most of their special editions and reserve blends are outstanding but, also, limited editions and much harder to find.

http://fortycreekwhisky.com/

/only drink Canadian rye
//currently parched
 
2013-05-22 07:09:33 PM  

calbert: /obscure?


Live action SpongeBob?
 
2013-05-22 07:11:19 PM  

Cyno01: thismomentinblackhistory: unyon: factoryconnection: EvilEgg: If you are paying for top shelf in your mixed drink, you deserve what you get.

Exactly.  The only way you can pass off Evan Williams black-label as Woodford Reserve is when it is mixed with Coke.

DRTFA, but knowing Jersey and TGIF clientele, I'm thinking that it was probably Fleischmann's Vodka and sprite instead of Grey Goose and sprite, as if anyone could tell the difference.  In fact, I've heard Kirkland-brand Vodka and Grey Goose are distilled in the same place.

The very idea of a premium vodka is a joke.  Vodka is the absence of flavour.  The best vodka is pure ethanol.

Stoli is as high up the shelf worth going. Otherwise you are paying for pretty bottles and expensive marketing campaigns.

I also love the people who try to order "top shelf" Long Islands. Wtf.....

Considering most bars use a premix and throw a splash of sour mix and coke ontop...

[www.totalwine.com image 250x350]

I dont think its too much to ask a bartender to actually mix a drink. I made my SO a real IBA spec long island and she complained it didnt taste like it did at the bar. :-/


I don't order top shelf but I can certainly tast the difference between that mix and a regular one.  That mix is f'ing disgusting.

And yes I actually drink LI's because I think they are good.  Not because I think I am getting something over on the bar.

I really wonder what the yearly savings for them was by doing that, it hardly seems worth it.  It's not like people at TGIF are ordering Hennessy Cognac Richard.
 
2013-05-22 07:16:34 PM  
As much as Kansas liquor laws are insanely stupid, they do have one that's right.  You refill an empty booze bottle with anything and it's pretty much a death sentence for your liquor license.
 
2013-05-22 07:23:38 PM  

basemetal: EvilEgg: If you are paying for top shelf in your mixed drink, you deserve what you get.

Meh, if you want to drink yours straight, go for it.  Myself, if I want some tonic and a lime with my Bombay Sapphire, that's my own damned business.

/and bartenders, I can tell the difference and will send it back


It makes a difference in a few drinks but you don't need Gray Goose if you're just going to mix it with cranberry juice or Crown Royal if you're just mixing it with Coke.
 
2013-05-22 07:27:07 PM  
Dirt cheap Kentucky Gentleman whiskey, a couple of corn dogs and a fudgecicle for dessert, and a couple of '80s Kurt Russell movies and I'm set for the night.  That's about 10 bucks worth of happy right there.
 
2013-05-22 07:29:31 PM  
NASAM:
Crown is not top shelf.  Crown is garbage.

and Johnny Walker Blue is only for neophytes who don't have an extensive knowledge of the best single malt scotch.

/don't be that guy
 
2013-05-22 07:32:33 PM  

NASAM: Red Shirt Blues: EvilEgg: If you are paying for top shelf in your mixed drink, you deserve what you get.

This. Made waaaay too many Crown and Cokes when I was a bartender.

Crown is not top shelf.  Crown is garbage.


Yup. Same price as CC or VO on the shelves in the liquor stores here in Ontario.
Bars will charge premium however.
 
2013-05-22 07:32:50 PM  

Uncle Bester: pregerstheHobo: The one and only time I've been to a TGI Fridays was after a looooooooooooong day of traveling and we got to the hotel in Panama City next to the canal. We were hungry and thirsty and tired and the restaurant in the hotel was a Fridays. Bienvenido a Friday's!

I plan on keeping that my one and only experience at a TGIF. Fark that place.

The last time I visited a TGI Friday's was the last time I stayed in Beijing (which happened to be last week).
The hotel had one and I craved a not so Chinese meal after working late one night.
The food and service was pretty much on par with locations in the States.


I think the one I went to was too. It reminded me of all chile's/applebee's/black-eyed peas type places. But I hardly go to those places in the states anyways.
 
2013-05-22 07:36:18 PM  
Not only that, but they sell frozen ravioli and have their desserts made offsite.
 
2013-05-22 07:42:01 PM  

miss diminutive: This might explain why my last screaming orgasm wasn't up to par.


This explains why I love you.
 
2013-05-22 07:59:38 PM  

mjohnson71: theorellior: God, just the mention of Grey Goose in this thread and already I'm imagining the smell of Axe and hearing the "'Sup, bro?" greetings.

Not as much with Grey Goose. Totally with Three Olives.


I believe you are missing Hennessy.
 
2013-05-22 08:01:09 PM  

Voiceofreason01: NASAM:
Crown is not top shelf.  Crown is garbage.

and Johnny Walker Blue is only for neophytes who don't have an extensive knowledge of the best single malt scotch.

/don't be that guy


Blue label is a blended whiskey. Not single-malt.
 
2013-05-22 08:04:22 PM  

DrBrownCow: Back in my early 20s an older friend of mine didn't believe a person could tell the difference between vodkas of varying quality.  This, I think, was what he told himself to justify the swill he had been stocking his liquor cabinet with for years.  He was a research scientist, so  he arranged a double-blind taste test with four vodkas and six glasses.   All I knew was that each vodka was represented at least once.    I correctly identified most of them by smell before I tasted, and then I correctly identified the rest by taste.   In theory, it is all the same stuff.  In practice, the premium brands do a much better job of filtering out impurities.

As for the "don't use mixers with premium liquors" attitude, this works fine if you can't tell the difference.  For everyone else, I can't imagine not being able to immediately identify/smell a bourbon and coke made with Old Crow or Early Times.  Even Jim Beam (white label) is an improvement, and further improvements can be made with a slight step up to bourbons such as Elijah Craig, Bulleit, Wild Turkey, and Buffalo Trace.   Jim Beam Black Label is an excellent bourbon to mix with coke considering both price and complementary flavors.   Beyond that level I agree money and (subtle flavors) are being wasted.


Beer drinker here, but Black on ice with just enough Coke to darken it is *spectacular*

/and a good way to get me 0-60. Good times, good times.
 
2013-05-22 08:05:16 PM  

Voiceofreason01: NASAM:
Crown is not top shelf.  Crown is garbage.

and Johnny Walker Blue is only for neophytes who don't have an extensive knowledge of the best single malt scotch.

/don't be that guy


So then Dewars right? Yeah, I'm pretty sure its Dewars we're talking about.
 
2013-05-22 08:13:23 PM  

unyon: The very idea of a premium vodka is a joke.  Vodka is the absence of flavour.  The best vodka is pure ethanol.


I would agree but you really don't want to drink pure ethanol.  Tito's is my fave and arguably the purest ethanol/water mixture out there not from a lab.
 
2013-05-22 08:36:46 PM  

Thingster: Beer drinker here, but Black on ice with just enough Coke to darken it is *spectacular*


Maybe people can't distinguish between bourbons once they are in a cocktail because they mix bourbon into Coke instead of splashing some Coke into their bourbon.
 
2013-05-22 08:49:23 PM  

EvilEgg: If you are paying for top shelf in your mixed drink, you deserve what you get.


To shelf in a martini (whether gin or vodka) makes a big difference.  Top shelf in a girl drink is stupid.  Only an idiot pays for Stoli and cranberry juice.
 
2013-05-22 09:06:25 PM  

Amberwind: I have trouble telling the difference between Bombay and Tanqueray,


I never would have thought I could either until my mom ordered Tanqueray and her husband ordered Bombay. Tanqueray was way sweeter.

or between Jim and Jack.

Those aren't even the same kind of whiskey! One is a bourbon and the other one is an original TN concoction.
 
2013-05-22 09:30:09 PM  

DrBrownCow: Thingster: Beer drinker here, but Black on ice with just enough Coke to darken it is *spectacular*

Maybe people can't distinguish between bourbons once they are in a cocktail because they mix bourbon into Coke instead of splashing some Coke into their bourbon.


I wouldn't argue, it's a big reason I'm not a mixed drink drinker at bars. There should only be enough mixer to take the edge off of the liquor or to compliment the flavor.

A bourbon and Coke should NEVER be served as a shot over ice in a tumbler topped with Coke.
 
2013-05-22 09:46:33 PM  
ecmoRandomNumbers:

I just threw up in my mouth a little. Fleischmann's is disgusting. There's not a mix in the world that can fix the taste of Seagram's or Fleischmann's.

I used to think Fleischmann's tasted like an alternative car fuel, back when I drank.  But that didn't stop me.
 
2013-05-22 10:27:47 PM  
Farkers can get a cheeseburger anywhere. They come to TGIFridays for the atmosphere and the attitude.
 
2013-05-22 10:29:09 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: ecmoRandomNumbers:

I just threw up in my mouth a little. Fleischmann's is disgusting. There's not a mix in the world that can fix the taste of Seagram's or Fleischmann's.

I used to think Fleischmann's tasted like an alternative car fuel, back when I drank.  But that didn't stop me.


As "alternative car fuel" is ethanol, just like all "beverage alcohol" (like Fleischmann's), you were correct.
 
2013-05-22 10:43:25 PM  

mjohnson71: basemetal: EvilEgg: If you are paying for top shelf in your mixed drink, you deserve what you get.

Meh, if you want to drink yours straight, go for it.  Myself, if I want some tonic and a lime with my Bombay Sapphire, that's my own damned business.

/and bartenders, I can tell the difference and will send it back

Same here with Tanqueray. Rail gin is horrible swill and I can tell the difference.


You think that stuff is bad, you should try the Dutch/Belgian Jeniver. It tastes like bathtub gin, but it's all the rage there.
 
2013-05-22 10:47:50 PM  

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: meathome: /and anyone who has actually formally trained to be behind a bar would know that.

Hey bartender! What'djya learn in school?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVSb1AXTyuk">http://www.youtube.com/w atch?v=PVSb1AXTyuk

Now THAT may be obscure
 
2013-05-22 10:48:35 PM  
Nice job youtube, farked up the link. Anyhow, it should work
 
2013-05-22 10:52:42 PM  

meathome: Treygreen13: I think most places where they'd get a martini wrong aren't a good place to order one. But I've had that problem before. Nice place, lots of "craft cocktails" and when I ask for a martini they start to reach for the vodka. Then they get all indignant when I tell them I want a gin martini. "You should have specified." Uh, no.

If that is the default reaction to one of the most standard cocktails, then that person shouldn't be permitted to tend bar.

/and anyone who has actually formally trained to be behind a bar would know that.


Not at party bars. Serious bars with serious drinkers go for gin, party bars catering to 20-somethings know vodka is on order, and any serious drinker is only present to pick up an intoxicated 20-something.
 
2013-05-23 12:02:49 AM  

berylman: unyon: The very idea of a premium vodka is a joke.  Vodka is the absence of flavour.  The best vodka is pure ethanol.

I would agree but you really don't want to drink pure ethanol.  Tito's is my fave and arguably the purest ethanol/water mixture out there not from a lab.


If you are in Texas, give Dripping Springs a try sometime. Or my new favorite, Cinco (from San Antonio). Dripping Springs is generally at the same price point as Tito's, but even smoother. And Cinco martinis with just a hint of vermouth and olive are near perfect. Central Texas well water FTW.

/this post brought to you by a former Texan bartender.
 
2013-05-23 12:07:29 AM  
You know, the Nazis had pieces of flair that they made the Jews wear.
 
2013-05-23 12:29:36 AM  
I live in NJ, and am only a few minutes drive from one of these places. I've actually eaten at two of them, but never had any drinks. If they keep their liquorlicenses I'll be shocked, and since their bars are pretty much their feature... yeah, they're screwed.

/I feel like going in with a copy of the article and demanding a refund regardless.
 
2013-05-23 01:00:09 AM  

basemetal: Gabrielmot: basemetal: EvilEgg: If you are paying for top shelf in your mixed drink, you deserve what you get.

Meh, if you want to drink yours straight, go for it.  Myself, if I want some tonic and a lime with my Bombay Sapphire, that's my own damned business.

/and bartenders, I can tell the difference and will send it back

You probably can (I can for sure) - incidentally try Citadelle if you like Bombay Sapphire...

*BUT* most people can't.

If it was vodka, or some other spirit, I wouldn't know the difference, but I have had to tell a bartender to open the new bottle because that's not Bombay.  (a couple of times my buddy and I both looked at each other and told the waitress, that's not Sapphire).

/will try the Citadelle


Hold the phone, did not mythbustrs run cheap vodka through a Brita filter and it was the same as "top" shelf
 
2013-05-23 01:31:38 AM  

berylman: unyon: The very idea of a premium vodka is a joke.  Vodka is the absence of flavour.  The best vodka is pure ethanol.

I would agree but you really don't want to drink pure ethanol.  Tito's is my fave and arguably the purest ethanol/water mixture out there not from a lab.


Not unless you want to go blind, no.  And definitely don't drink ethanol while smoking.  But I'm not much of a vodka drinker other than in the occasional caesar or screwdriver.  It's good to make other drinks boozy, but I find it pretty disinteresting compared to whiskey.
 
2013-05-23 02:48:01 AM  

trippdogg: unyon: factoryconnection: EvilEgg: If you are paying for top shelf in your mixed drink, you deserve what you get.

Exactly.  The only way you can pass off Evan Williams black-label as Woodford Reserve is when it is mixed with Coke.

DRTFA, but knowing Jersey and TGIF clientele, I'm thinking that it was probably Fleischmann's Vodka and sprite instead of Grey Goose and sprite, as if anyone could tell the difference.  In fact, I've heard Kirkland-brand Vodka and Grey Goose are distilled in the same place.

The very idea of a premium vodka is a joke.  Vodka is the absence of flavour.  The best vodka is pure ethanol.

This!   By law, Vodka is allowed to contain only ethanol and water.  Any difference in taste is caused by trace levels of stuff like ethyl acetate, ethyl lactate and fusel oils.  In other words, the more you can taste the difference, the more rotgut it is (albeit, expensive rotgut).


For fark's sake, there's more nonsense in this post than I can even address. Suffice to say, you don't know what you're talking about.

Properly made vodka has a flavor. Potato vodka tastes like potatoes. Corn vodka tastes like corn. Cane vodka tastes like sugar cane. shiatty vodka tastes like fusel oils because cheap, money-grubbing distillers don't separate the heads and tails from the heart of the distillation. Get a bottle of Boyd and Blair. It tastes like potatoes, because it's farking MADE FROM POTATOES. Distilling to 192 proof is not enough to remove that flavor.

Vodka is NOT, nor is it supposed to be, water and pure ethanol. Stop posting this crap.
 
2013-05-23 02:49:08 AM  
Mixed with coke I cant really tell Jack from a well drink. If Im ordering it on the rocks not mixed with nothing I can tell well from Jack from gentleman Jack from Single barrel.
 
2013-05-23 03:07:29 AM  

unyon: berylman: unyon: The very idea of a premium vodka is a joke.  Vodka is the absence of flavour.  The best vodka is pure ethanol.

I would agree but you really don't want to drink pure ethanol.  Tito's is my fave and arguably the purest ethanol/water mixture out there not from a lab.

Not unless you want to go blind, no.  And definitely don't drink ethanol while smoking.  But I'm not much of a vodka drinker other than in the occasional caesar or screwdriver.  It's good to make other drinks boozy, but I find it pretty disinteresting compared to whiskey.


Much like most of what you've said in this thread, this is annoyingly incorrect.

Ethanol does not cause blindness. Methanol, which is sometimes produced during ethanol distillation, causes blindness because of formic acid formation in the liver. Seriously, if you insist on spouting off about spirits, at least get your shiat straight.
 
2013-05-23 03:18:48 AM  

jaylectricity: Amberwind: I have trouble telling the difference between Bombay and Tanqueray,

I never would have thought I could either until my mom ordered Tanqueray and her husband ordered Bombay. Tanqueray was way sweeter.

or between Jim and Jack.

Those aren't even the same kind of whiskey! One is a bourbon and the other one is an original TN concoction.


Jack Daniel's is bourbon.
 
2013-05-23 03:44:39 AM  

factoryconnection: EvilEgg: If you are paying for top shelf in your mixed drink, you deserve what you get.

Exactly.  The only way you can pass off Evan Williams black-label as Woodford Reserve is when it is mixed with Coke.

DRTFA, but knowing Jersey and TGIF clientele, I'm thinking that it was probably Fleischmann's Vodka and sprite instead of Grey Goose and sprite, as if anyone could tell the difference.  In fact, I've heard Kirkland-brand Vodka and Grey Goose are distilled in the same place.


A lot of different bourbons are distilled at the same place. They just use different mash bills, etc. for different brands. Not every distillery will tell you the brands they make besides their flagship label, but you can tell who distills it by what town it comes from. For instance, if the label says it comes from Bardstown, Ky, it's distilled at Heaven Hill. If it says Clermont, it's Jim Beam. If it's Frankfort, it's Buffalo Trace. If it's Lawrenceburg, it's either Four Roses or Wild Turkey. Some of the bourbon distillers also do other spirits. A lot of them do vodkas in addition to bourbon.
 
2013-05-23 03:45:39 AM  

Z-clipped: jaylectricity: Amberwind: I have trouble telling the difference between Bombay and Tanqueray,

I never would have thought I could either until my mom ordered Tanqueray and her husband ordered Bombay. Tanqueray was way sweeter.

or between Jim and Jack.

Those aren't even the same kind of whiskey! One is a bourbon and the other one is an original TN concoction.

Jack Daniel's is bourbon.


No it is not, the govt says if its charcoal filtered its American Whisky not boubon, it HAS to be NON FILTERED by law to be bourbon. It is a violation of federal liquor laws to advertise filtered as bourbon or non filtered as whiskey. Philistine.
 
2013-05-23 07:12:27 AM  
This thread needs more Brian:

i4.photobucket.com
 
2013-05-23 08:06:50 AM  
I don't normally drink whiskey, but when I do
I sip Shackleton
I almost always drink vodak
any vodak will do
 
2013-05-23 09:29:09 AM  

Z-clipped: jaylectricity: Amberwind: I have trouble telling the difference between Bombay and Tanqueray,

I never would have thought I could either until my mom ordered Tanqueray and her husband ordered Bombay. Tanqueray was way sweeter.

or between Jim and Jack.

Those aren't even the same kind of whiskey! One is a bourbon and the other one is an original TN concoction.

Jack Daniel's is bourbon.


Jack is Tennesee Whiskey. It is specifically, and legally, *not* Bourbon.
 
2013-05-23 11:22:51 AM  

Gecko Gingrich: Z-clipped: jaylectricity: Amberwind: I have trouble telling the difference between Bombay and Tanqueray,

I never would have thought I could either until my mom ordered Tanqueray and her husband ordered Bombay. Tanqueray was way sweeter.

or between Jim and Jack.

Those aren't even the same kind of whiskey! One is a bourbon and the other one is an original TN concoction.

Jack Daniel's is bourbon.

Jack is Tennesee Whiskey. It is specifically, and legally, *not* Bourbon.


By law Tennessee whiskey qualifies as bourbon.

Tennessee whiskey doesn't have a legal definition, and up to the point of filtering the process is identical to bourbon.

So since the bourbon definition doesn't preclude filtering, Tennessee whiskey is a filtered bourbon.

The whole, "A square is a rectangle, but a rectangle is not a square," concept.
 
2013-05-23 11:24:42 AM  

Thingster: By law Tennessee whiskey qualifies as bourbon.

Tennessee whiskey doesn't have a legal definition, and up to the point of filtering the process is identical to bourbon.

So since the bourbon definition doesn't preclude filtering, Tennessee whiskey is a filtered bourbon.

The whole, "A square is a rectangle, but a rectangle is not a square," concept.


By law, Jack is not Bourbon. One of the legal requirements for Bourbon is that is contains no additives. The Government considers charcoal filtering to be an additive. You are wrong. It's as simple as that.
 
2013-05-23 11:36:31 AM  

Oldiron_79: it HAS to be NON FILTERED by law to be bourbon.


Wrong.  There are no filtration requirements for bourbon under NAFTA.  Filtration also has nothing to do with a whiskey being "Tennessee Whiskey".  You're talking out of your ass.

The requirements for bourbon are:

At least 51% corn
Distilled no further than 160 proof
Aged in new oak
Goes into the barrel at no more than 125 proof
Bottled at no less than 80 proof

That's it.

Gecko Gingrich: Jack is Tennesee Whiskey. It is specifically, and legally, *not* Bourbon.


Incorrect.  All Tennessee whiskey is bourbon. In fact, it's HAS to be bourbon to be called Tennessee Whiskey.  It's just further classified as "bourbon made in Tennessee", because a few whiskey producers in Tennessee like to think they're special.  Jack Daniel's can write "Pure Tennessee Unicorn Piss" on their bottles if they want to-  they're still making farking bourbon.
 
2013-05-23 11:38:26 AM  

Gecko Gingrich: By law, Jack is not Bourbon. One of the legal requirements for Bourbon is that is contains no additives.


Also wrong.  Many other bourbons are filtered after distillation.  They're still bourbon.
 
2013-05-23 11:42:21 AM  

Gecko Gingrich: Thingster: By law Tennessee whiskey qualifies as bourbon.

Tennessee whiskey doesn't have a legal definition, and up to the point of filtering the process is identical to bourbon.

So since the bourbon definition doesn't preclude filtering, Tennessee whiskey is a filtered bourbon.

The whole, "A square is a rectangle, but a rectangle is not a square," concept.

By law, Jack is not Bourbon. One of the legal requirements for Bourbon is that is contains no additives. The Government considers charcoal filtering to be an additive. You are wrong. It's as simple as that.


Title 27, ch1, pt5, sec. 5.22 (b)(1)(I)

Says go fark yourself. Be damn sure you're right before flat telling someone they're wrong.
 
2013-05-23 11:44:58 AM  
Alcohol for export has different regs than alcohol for domestic consumption. What's "Bourbon" in the Philippians may not be "Bourbon" in the US. In the US, Jack is not Bourbon.
 
2013-05-23 11:47:28 AM  

Thingster: Says go fark yourself. Be damn sure you're right before flat telling someone they're wrong.


It's amazing the amount of bullshiat people "KNOW" about spirits.
 
2013-05-23 11:54:33 AM  

Gecko Gingrich: In the US, Jack is not Bourbon.


Wrong.  You're wrong under NAFTA, which specifically states that Tennessee Whiskey MUST be straight bourbon, and you're wrong under US Federal law, which doesn't define Tennessee whiskey at all.

No offense intended here, but I've probably been selling Jack Daniel's longer than you've been wiping your own ass, and several of my friends are professional distillers.  Stop posting this crap.  You don't know what you're talking about.

/also, I don't live in the Philippines, I just haven't updated my profile in a while
 
2013-05-23 12:09:09 PM  

Thingster: Tennessee whiskey is a filtered bourbon.


And not even all Tennessee whiskey is charcoal filtered.  Pritchard's doesn't filter at all.  I know this because Phillip came to give a talk at one of my restaurants, and I asked him.
 
2013-05-23 12:13:06 PM  
Yeah, I caught that on reread.

I blame it on trying to outrun the flood of [citation needed] that I heard coming around the bend.
 
2013-05-23 12:20:59 PM  

Z-clipped: No offense intended here, but I've probably been selling Jack Daniel's longer than you've been wiping your own ass, and several of my friends are professional distillers.


Link
 
2013-05-23 12:25:20 PM  

Gecko Gingrich: Z-clipped: No offense intended here, but I've probably been selling Jack Daniel's longer than you've been wiping your own ass, and several of my friends are professional distillers.

Link


" Appeals to accomplishment are fallacies only when they are simple appeals to authority. It is not fallacious to rely on the testimony of a person who has attained a certain level of education or experience if they can produce further evidence to back up their positions when required."

You could ask him questions based upon his experiences to determine if this is a simple appeal to authority, but that would take admitting you were in error.

Can't have that.
 
2013-05-23 12:45:21 PM  
 
2013-05-23 12:51:18 PM  
Oh, and I worked bars for years, both behind them and managing them. I worked in the liquor distribution industry for years more. I've had dinner with Bill Samuels and his family.
 
2013-05-23 12:51:33 PM  

Gecko Gingrich: Z-clipped: No offense intended here, but I've probably been selling Jack Daniel's longer than you've been wiping your own ass, and several of my friends are professional distillers.

Link


Yeah, except I wasn't backing up an argument with that information.  I was just giving you some friendly advice:  this is one of my fields of expertise, and I have informational resources at my disposal that most people don't.

THIS is a citation that proves my point:

North American Free Trade Agreement
Chapter 3 - Annex 307.3 to Annex 315


Annex 313: Distinctive Products


1. Canada and Mexico shall recognize Bourbon Whiskey and Tennessee Whiskey, which is a straight Bourbon Whiskey authorized to be produced only in the State of Tennessee, as distinctive products of the United States. Accordingly, Canada and Mexico shall not permit the sale of any product as Bourbon Whiskey or Tennessee Whiskey, unless it has been manufactured in the United States in accordance with the laws and regulations of the United States governing the manufacture of Bourbon Whiskey and Tennessee Whiskey.

Next, you can feel free to point out where in the federal Standards of Identity for Distilled Spirits the word "Tennessee" appears.  (You can't, because it doesn't.)

Face it.  You bought a bunch of malarky that some stupid pedant bar fly tried to pass off as an explanation for why Jack bottles don't say "bourbon" on them.  They don't say "bourbon" because the guys at Jack Daniel's want you to think their whiskey is somehow special and different.  It's not.  Now stop making shiat up (charcoal filtering is an additive, are you farking serious?) and trying to toss logical fallacy definitions at me.  And especially, stop correcting people who say that Jack is bourbon because they're right and you're wrong.
 
2013-05-23 12:53:52 PM  

Gecko Gingrich: it has added color and flavor from the charcoal.


No it farking does not.  Charcoal filtering is used by many many companies (including many bourbon producers) to REMOVE color and flavor from spirits.
 
2013-05-23 12:57:11 PM  

Gecko Gingrich: NAFTA:


For fark's sake, it says right in YOUR NAFTA quote that TN whiskey is bourbon, and you're STILL arguing with me.   WTF is wrong with you?
 
2013-05-23 12:59:16 PM  

Gecko Gingrich: Oh, and I worked bars for years, both behind them and managing them.


Then you should know better.
 
2013-05-23 01:03:37 PM  

Z-clipped: Charcoal filtering is used by many many companies (including many bourbon producers) to REMOVE color and flavor from spirits.


Jack's charcoal is made from Maple. Maple is not Oak. Bourbon's requirements include aging in charred Oak. That charred Oak adds flavor, as does charred Maple.

Z-clipped: For fark's sake, it says right in YOUR NAFTA quote that TN whiskey is bourbon, and you're STILL arguing with me. WTF is wrong with you?


I'm arguing that Jack doesn't meet the NAFTA required definition of Tennessee Whisky.
 
2013-05-23 01:22:34 PM  

Gecko Gingrich: Z-clipped: Charcoal filtering is used by many many companies (including many bourbon producers) to REMOVE color and flavor from spirits.

Jack's charcoal is made from Maple. Maple is not Oak. Bourbon's requirements include aging in charred Oak. That charred Oak adds flavor, as does charred Maple.

Z-clipped: For fark's sake, it says right in YOUR NAFTA quote that TN whiskey is bourbon, and you're STILL arguing with me. WTF is wrong with you?

I'm arguing that Jack doesn't meet the NAFTA required definition of Tennessee Whisky.


images.sodahead.com

So now "it's not oak?"...  Dude... you are SO full of it.  You're obviously finally getting off your ass and doing some research if you know that JD uses maple chips, so maybe you can read up a little more.  (Not that Wiki is a definitive resource, but at least it's annotated.)

Charcoal (of any type) is not a flavoring or coloring additive in this world or any other.  LC Process does not affect whether a whiskey can be called bourbon.  Almost all bourbon is filtered, much of it using charcoal.  You're obviously too stubborn to admit you're wrong, even in the face of clear evidence.  I'm not really interested in watching a contortionist show at this point, so I'm done here.

Whatever else it may wish to call itself, Jack Daniel's IS bourbon.  Period.
 
2013-05-23 01:25:23 PM  

Gecko Gingrich: Z-clipped: Charcoal filtering is used by many many companies (including many bourbon producers) to REMOVE color and flavor from spirits.

Jack's charcoal is made from Maple. Maple is not Oak. Bourbon's requirements include aging in charred Oak. That charred Oak adds flavor, as does charred Maple.

Z-clipped: For fark's sake, it says right in YOUR NAFTA quote that TN whiskey is bourbon, and you're STILL arguing with me. WTF is wrong with you?

I'm arguing that Jack doesn't meet the NAFTA required definition of Tennessee Whisky.


Your premise thus far has been that Tennessee whiskey is by definition not bourbon.

All of the sources cited by you above contradict this point, now you're changing your point to be "Jack isn't Tennessee whiskey", even though it's straight bourbon.

Really - stand back, reread the thread, reread the sources, and look up charcoal filtering.
 
2013-05-23 01:43:52 PM  

Thingster: Your premise thus far has been that Tennessee whiskey is by definition not bourbon.


True, but the argument was made that Jack is a Bourbon by virtue of the fact that it is Tennessee Whisky.

Z-clipped: You're obviously finally getting off your ass and doing some research if you know that JD uses maple chips, so maybe you can read up a little more.


So, it wasn't at all possible I knew this before now? Did anyone know this before now, or am I the first one?
 
2013-05-23 03:01:20 PM  
I know I said I was done, but this is too funny:

Gecko Gingrich: So, it wasn't at all possible I knew this before now?


Well, let's see...

First:

Gecko Gingrich: Jack is Tennesee Whiskey.


Then:

Gecko Gingrich: Jack isn't a Tennessee Whisky

 No, I'm going to go with "it's obvious that you're looking shiat up as you go along".  It's OK, man.  Everybody does it in these threads once in a while.  I've been reading your posts for years, and I think you're pretty right on most of the time.  Just not this time, on this particular subject.


Anyway, have a nice day.
 
2013-05-23 03:33:05 PM  

Duke_leto_Atredes: basemetal: Gabrielmot: basemetal: EvilEgg: If you are paying for top shelf in your mixed drink, you deserve what you get.

Meh, if you want to drink yours straight, go for it.  Myself, if I want some tonic and a lime with my Bombay Sapphire, that's my own damned business.

/and bartenders, I can tell the difference and will send it back

You probably can (I can for sure) - incidentally try Citadelle if you like Bombay Sapphire...

*BUT* most people can't.

If it was vodka, or some other spirit, I wouldn't know the difference, but I have had to tell a bartender to open the new bottle because that's not Bombay.  (a couple of times my buddy and I both looked at each other and told the waitress, that's not Sapphire).

/will try the Citadelle

Hold the phone, did not mythbustrs run cheap vodka through a Brita filter and it was the same as "top" shelf


Hold the phone, Bombay Sapphire is not vodka.
 
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