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2013-05-22 07:32:12 PM  
Has terrorism ever worked? Even once in the modern era? I mean, these are not small groups terrorists go up against, do they really expect millions of people to be like "oh man, we better do what these people say or they will kill a few of us every now and then!" It really just doesn't seem likely.
 
2013-05-22 07:35:47 PM  
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Look, you can argue whether it was an act of terrorism or not, your opinion does not matter. It is terrorism when the guvmint says so. End of story, everybody go home.
 
2013-05-22 07:41:56 PM  

lockers: I like how lone nutjob is now equivalent to insidious terrorist plot.


Oh yeah, that's real new. Just happened for this, never happened before.

www.nndb.com
 
2013-05-22 07:43:38 PM  

Mellotiger: Has terrorism ever worked? Even once in the modern era? I mean, these are not small groups terrorists go up against, do they really expect millions of people to be like "oh man, we better do what these people say or they will kill a few of us every now and then!" It really just doesn't seem likely.


I dunno, 12 guys from Saudi Arabia managed to cost America untold billions of dollars and an ever-increasing number of their rights. Supposedly, terrorists hate us for our freedom, and now we're no longer free, so they have accomplished their mission. If that's not "working", I have no idea what "working" would look like.
 
2013-05-22 07:45:00 PM  

Mellotiger: Has terrorism ever worked? Even once in the modern era? I mean, these are not small groups terrorists go up against, do they really expect millions of people to be like "oh man, we better do what these people say or they will kill a few of us every now and then!" It really just doesn't seem likely.


It depends on what you mean by 'worked'. In Northern Ireland, for example, terrorism changed the political settlement there. The Provisional IRA didn't get everything they wanted, but it managed to convince the bulk of its membership (and supporters) that their 'war' had been successful.
 
2013-05-22 07:49:51 PM  
A terrible, terrible event.

But meanwhile, millions of people in Western nations continue to demonstrate the fact they are utterly desensitised to their government's involvement in over a decade of worthless, illegal warfare.

Remember that US soldier who went crazy and killed all those kids? Congrats if you do, 99% of the population sure don't.

In fact how many acts of personal atrocity committed by US/UK troops do you remember from the last DECADE of warfare?

Probably bugger all because that's what is supposed to happen. Meanwhile they are occurring at a rate that would freak you out, as would be expected by shoving often poorly-educated young men from lower socio-economic backgrounds in godforsaken hellholes and having them risk their lives with little support simply so politicians can say 'THINK OF THE TROOPS' to win votes and corporations can make $$$ hand over first. Meanwhile, their equivalents in certain nations have a field day inciting Jihad with all the evidence conveniently to hand.

So yeah, if you want to be outraged, you'd be better served raging at the older men on both 'sides' who fark up the lives and minds of young men, not the young men who commit these atrocities.

Get your head out from where Fox News and Friends shoved it and wake up to the fact that your government is still burning the lives of young men on both sides for fark all.

OMG OSAMA 9.11 NEVAR FOGET!

Really? Osama's farking dead folks, mishun accumplished! I think by now we've established there are no, and never were, any freaking WMDs in Iraq.

Get out of the Middle East and within a month or two you'll never see another terrorist action because they will be too busy killing each other for the next fifty years to worry about coming over to your nation, and your domestic crop will all bugger off back home to lend a hand. Give them five years of it and you can even help install a few strongmen and then it's back to business as usual.

Worried about the oil? Don't fret, they'll need the money to fund their internal warfare.

Wake up and realise that these awful muslim terrorists actually have VERY GOOD REASONS for doing what they do - the same way you would if a bunch of soldiers came into YOUR home town, raped a few young women and shot up a wedding or two before bombing the crap out of your grandad's house. Or even if it were happening to people in the next county over. Brown people, killing our men and raping our women? I think we all know what to do.

So yeah, today's yet another chance to realise that Western Democracy is in a News Corporation-induced coma, blind to its wars of aggression and desperately ramping up the siege mentality in order to churn out more votes and dollars for those who run the show. Don't go and burn your bra over it but start reminding people to wake the fark up.

Or you can just post some shiat about filthy muslims and good guys with guns, showing that you're just as backwards-ass ignorant as some AK-toting hick from a hillside in Afghanistan.
 
2013-05-22 07:50:16 PM  

Bontesla: DeathByGeekSquad: It's only shocking if you don't understand the world outside of your own border.

Wait, what?


He sounds informed
 
2013-05-22 07:54:26 PM  

cegorach: you're just as backwards-ass ignorant as some AK-toting hick from a hillside in Afghanistan.


I'm not sure that you know as much as you think you know about Afghanistan. Which is kind of funny, considering the particular insult you're slinging.
 
2013-05-22 07:59:00 PM  

cegorach: A terrible, terrible event.

But meanwhile, millions of people in Western nations continue to demonstrate the fact they are utterly desensitised to their government's involvement in over a decade of worthless, illegal warfare.

Remember that US soldier who went crazy and killed all those kids? Congrats if you do, 99% of the population sure don't.

In fact how many acts of personal atrocity committed by US/UK troops do you remember from the last DECADE of warfare?

Probably bugger all because that's what is supposed to happen. Meanwhile they are occurring at a rate that would freak you out, as would be expected by shoving often poorly-educated young men from lower socio-economic backgrounds in godforsaken hellholes and having them risk their lives with little support simply so politicians can say 'THINK OF THE TROOPS' to win votes and corporations can make $$$ hand over first. Meanwhile, their equivalents in certain nations have a field day inciting Jihad with all the evidence conveniently to hand.

So yeah, if you want to be outraged, you'd be better served raging at the older men on both 'sides' who fark up the lives and minds of young men, not the young men who commit these atrocities.

Get your head out from where Fox News and Friends shoved it and wake up to the fact that your government is still burning the lives of young men on both sides for fark all.

OMG OSAMA 9.11 NEVAR FOGET!

Really? Osama's farking dead folks, mishun accumplished! I think by now we've established there are no, and never were, any freaking WMDs in Iraq.

Get out of the Middle East and within a month or two you'll never see another terrorist action because they will be too busy killing each other for the next fifty years to worry about coming over to your nation, and your domestic crop will all bugger off back home to lend a hand. Give them five years of it and you can even help install a few strongmen and then it's back to business as usual.

Worried about the oil? Don't fret, they'll ne ...


Funny, the war in Afghanistan would have never even happened if the 9/11 terrorist attack hadn't happened first. If the attacker's plot was to get thousands of their fellow Muslims killed, they did a good job. If not, well...
 
2013-05-22 08:01:43 PM  

lennavan: Bontesla: Public beheading, in and of itself, isn't terrorism.

After sourced each of the required components to fit the definition of terrorism with quotes, you cannot possibly be pretending I am claiming this.  You simply cannot be.

Bontesla: Neither is talking politics, religion, or video games while the beheading takes place.

If you behead a guy on the street and then run to a camera and say "shiat like this is gonna keep happening until you pull your troops out of Muslim countries" that's terrorism.

Bontesla: Some random guy killing someone else on the street and citing political reasons is the very farking definition of the word more akin to a hate crime than it is terrorism.

It sure is.  It seems you are arguing this guy's method of terrorism is ineffective.  Fair enough.  But that didn't require you to forget the definition of the word.


Just saying the name of your god during a murder, and then demanding unspecified political change afterward, does not make a crime "terrorism". It may be terroristic; but before terrorism became bastardized into "anything that Muslims do that is criminal and scary", terrorism DID have a specific political meaning and required it be done by a recognized or recognizable group, or at least an individual with ties to such a group. Random people committing murder and then post facto "claiming" they did it for the PLO or the IRA were not recognized as "terrorists" by either the government or the organization they claimed.

By your definition, Richard Ramirez was a "terrorist" because he killed in the name of Satan (a god) and demanded media attention and social changes (although a bit obscure). So could anyone who does something antisocial who then claims a religious figure and then says "I will keep doing X until your government does Y." And I grant you that in today's media culture, that is in fact the definition of "terrorism", but it's also why these guys AREN'T terrorists.

A genuine terrorist is attempting to create genuine government or social change by focused acts directed against the civilian population which would have the effect of coercing the population into forcing the government to enact the change. Two random guys murdering another random guy on a side street, while terrifying, is NOT the kind of act which would encourage the public to put pressure on their government to bow to the terrorists' demands. It's more likely to get the murderers either jailed or beaten by the public. What these guys are, is murderers who killed an innocent person and then needed a quick excuse for why they did it; and probably they're really stupid and wanted their 15 minutes of fame on Facebook as well.

As long as we keep to this broad definition of terrorism (any act of violence done in the name of religion and change), then idiot criminals can use it to their advantage. We need to re-narrow the focus, and redefine it as an act by a recognized group or agent of such a group, directed against the larger public, with the aim of forcing specific government change against a specific government. Then we can call these kinds of douchebags what they are: common murderers, and proceed as such.
 
2013-05-22 08:03:19 PM  
the guy delivering his spiel for the camera in the smart western clothes appears to me to be minus beard, but plus earring.
 
2013-05-22 08:04:00 PM  

happydude45: lockers: From the brilliant analysis: "The case for this being a jihadist attack, following the ideology of al-Qaeda, is compelling - even if the police won't yet say so officially."

I like how lone nutjob is now equivalent to insidious terrorist plot. I guess when you have a permanent war on an imagined political phantom, every minor crime must be part of it to encourage it's maintenance. I see the same shiat on the local news and refuse to accept this as terrorism at all.

Well, since the killers shouted "Allahu Akbar", you can confidently surmise that it was a terrorist nutjob.


Or, another 'workplace violence' incident like Fort Hood.
 
2013-05-22 08:07:04 PM  
<p><blockquote></p><p style="padding: 0px 0px 0.7em; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 1.4em; line-height: 1.48em; color: rgb(40, 40, 40);">For years al-Qaeda activists such as Anwar al-Awlaki, the American-born cleric who preached global jidad from his base in Yemen until he was killed by a U.S. drone strike two years ago, have been calling on their followers to launch their own home-grown attacks.</p><p style="padding: 0px 0px 0.7em; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 1.4em; line-height: 1.48em; color: rgb(40, 40, 40);">Rather than trying to carry out sophisticated operations on the scale of the September 11 attacks, or the July 7 bombings in London in 2005, Awlaki urged his followers to take matters into their own hands and conduct basic attacks, such as launching suicide bomb attacks in British shopping centres, or attacking  British military targets.</p><p style="padding: 0px 0px 0.7em; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 1.4em; line-height: 1.48em; color: rgb(40, 40, 40);">To date the intelligence and security services appear to have succeeded in disrupting these so-called homegrown plots, and a number of al-Qaeda terrorists have recently received lengthy jail terms. In one of these plots an al-Qaeda terrorist wanted to kidnap a British soldier in the Midlands and film himself beheading his captive.</p><p> </blockquote></p>
 
2013-05-22 08:08:09 PM  
For years al-Qaeda activists such as Anwar al-Awlaki, the American-born cleric who preached global jidad from his base in Yemen until he was killed by a U.S. drone strike two years ago, have been calling on their followers to launch their own home-grown attacks.

Rather than trying to carry out sophisticated operations on the scale of the September 11 attacks, or the July 7 bombings in London in 2005, Awlaki urged his followers to take matters into their own hands and conduct basic attacks, such as launching suicide bomb attacks in British shopping centres, or attacking British military targets.

To date the intelligence and security services appear to have succeeded in disrupting these so-called homegrown plots, and a number of al-Qaeda terrorists have recently received lengthy jail terms. In one of these plots an al-Qaeda terrorist wanted to kidnap a British soldier in the Midlands and film himself beheading his captive.
 
2013-05-22 08:10:57 PM  
The 2007 plot to behead a British Muslim soldier was undertaken by a group of British Pakistanis in Birmingham, England, planning to kidnap and behead a British Muslim soldier in order to undermine the morale of the British Army and inhibit its recruitment of Muslims. The leader, Parviz Khan, admitted the plot and was sentenced to life imprisonment, to serve at least 14 years. One associate was found guilty of failing to report the plot and four associates were sentenced to up to seven years for supplying equipment to Pakistan-based militants fighting the International Security Assistance Force in Afghanistan.[1]
 
2013-05-22 08:14:58 PM  

MrHappyRotter: People, people, people.  You misunderstood.  It's the religion of peas.  PEAS.


Probably chickpeas more specifically...
 
2013-05-22 08:16:43 PM  

PartTimeBuddha: Mellotiger: Has terrorism ever worked? Even once in the modern era? I mean, these are not small groups terrorists go up against, do they really expect millions of people to be like "oh man, we better do what these people say or they will kill a few of us every now and then!" It really just doesn't seem likely.

It depends on what you mean by 'worked'. In Northern Ireland, for example, terrorism changed the political settlement there. The Provisional IRA didn't get everything they wanted, but it managed to convince the bulk of its membership (and supporters) that their 'war' had been successful.


Shiat I forgot about the IRA.
 
2013-05-22 08:21:04 PM  

untaken_name: Mellotiger: Has terrorism ever worked? Even once in the modern era? I mean, these are not small groups terrorists go up against, do they really expect millions of people to be like "oh man, we better do what these people say or they will kill a few of us every now and then!" It really just doesn't seem likely.

I dunno, 12 guys from Saudi Arabia managed to cost America untold billions of dollars and an ever-increasing number of their rights. Supposedly, terrorists hate us for our freedom, and now we're no longer free, so they have accomplished their mission. If that's not "working", I have no idea what "working" would look like.


Point taken, but I don't think the right to not be searched before boarding an airplane is what they wanted to change. We still have religious freedom, women are still driving cars and voting, media is still "westernized"....isn't that the things they are against? Did they really go through all that just to tighten up flight security and make wire-taps a bit more common? I doubt it. That's why I say it didn't work.
 
2013-05-22 08:24:41 PM  
A mother-of-two described tonight how she put her own life on the line by trying to persuade the soldier's murderers to hand over their weapons.

Cub scout leader Ingrid Loyau-Kennett selflessly engaged the terrorists in conversation and kept her nerve as one of them told her: "We want to start a war in London tonight."
 
2013-05-22 08:32:18 PM  
Listen, you dicks.
It's only "Terrorism" if it frightens you.
It didn't frighten me.
It didn't frighten that female Bobby who gunned the cray cray sumbaitch down in warm blood.
It's just some smack head looking for his "ATTICA!" moment, and deprived of it because, sweet brown, ain't nobody got time fo dat.

Screw 'em. Let Allah sort 'em out.
 
2013-05-22 08:35:11 PM  
Father_Jack:
i'm just sayin' there is not a causal relationship between islam and terrorism. if there were, then the turks the indonesians, the malaysians etc would be doing the same thing. and they're not; they have successful states and are making money etc.

*cough* bali bombings *cough* 

jamia islamia would like a work with you
 
2013-05-22 08:37:08 PM  

Breaker Moran: MrHappyRotter: People, people, people.  You misunderstood.  It's the religion of peas.  PEAS.

Probably chickpeas more specifically...


Oh God. I love falafel. Just inventing falafel gets the ME off the hook for a hell of a lot of beheadin's and creepin' sharias. You know what? I don't even think I'd mind a few more airplane missile things to boot. It's just that good.

encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
 
2013-05-22 08:43:59 PM  

ChipNASA: Yeah, I generally think that genocide is kind of a bad thing but I'm *really* starting to think there are exceptions.
/NUKE Mecca.
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B83 free fall weapon.  1.2 megatons.  Leave nothing behind to be recovered and venerated.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B83_nuclear_bomb
 
2013-05-22 08:53:37 PM  

boyvoyeur: Didn't know UK cops had guns


UK cops carry either no guns or all the guns. The armed police carry (IIRC) MP5's with folding stocks as standard and train in other firearms.
 
2013-05-22 08:56:31 PM  

jst3p: Time for an assault knife ban.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFVkzYDNJqo
 
2013-05-22 09:09:57 PM  
Lol @ britain. Letting religious nutjobs from the 3rd world immigrate to your country and live off of taxpayer money sure is working out pretty well.
 
2013-05-22 09:18:58 PM  
At least these idiots didn't have high capacity fire arms to spray into the crowds or cops.  One guy got hacked with a machete.  One.
 
2013-05-22 09:29:38 PM  

gadian: At least these idiots didn't have high capacity fire arms to spray into the crowds or cops.  One guy got hacked with a machete.  One.


25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-05-22 09:41:26 PM  

Ego edo infantia cattus: Ned Stark: blah blah blah
ter·ror·ism  noun\ˈter-ər-ˌi-zəm\
: the systematic use of terror especially as a means of cohesion.

Funny, Webster's doesn't say anything about civilian or military targets.



Cohesion???
 
2013-05-22 09:55:24 PM  

serialsuicidebomber: Ego edo infantia cattus: Ned Stark: blah blah blah
ter·ror·ism  noun\ˈter-ər-ˌi-zəm\
: the systematic use of terror especially as a means of cohesion.

Funny, Webster's doesn't say anything about civilian or military targets.


Cohesion???


I saw a bumper sticker today that stated " KILL ALL THE MUSLIMS BEFORE THEY KILL YOU"!

Weird.
 
2013-05-22 10:01:20 PM  

torquestripe: serialsuicidebomber: Ego edo infantia cattus: Ned Stark: blah blah blah
ter·ror·ism  noun\ˈter-ər-ˌi-zəm\
: the systematic use of terror especially as a means of cohesion.

Funny, Webster's doesn't say anything about civilian or military targets.


Cohesion???

I saw a bumper sticker today that stated " KILL ALL THE MUSLIMS BEFORE THEY KILL YOU"!

Weird.


What kind of car does Michael Savage drive?
 
2013-05-22 10:13:25 PM  

Mellotiger: untaken_name: Mellotiger: Has terrorism ever worked? Even once in the modern era? I mean, these are not small groups terrorists go up against, do they really expect millions of people to be like "oh man, we better do what these people say or they will kill a few of us every now and then!" It really just doesn't seem likely.

I dunno, 12 guys from Saudi Arabia managed to cost America untold billions of dollars and an ever-increasing number of their rights. Supposedly, terrorists hate us for our freedom, and now we're no longer free, so they have accomplished their mission. If that's not "working", I have no idea what "working" would look like.

Point taken, but I don't think the right to not be searched before boarding an airplane is what they wanted to change. We still have religious freedom, women are still driving cars and voting, media is still "westernized"....isn't that the things they are against? Did they really go through all that just to tighten up flight security and make wire-taps a bit more common? I doubt it. That's why I say it didn't work.


How about killing even American citizens with no trial?  I spout off online all the time, am I next. I think we should be more surgical  killing the bad Muslims, or reap what we sew.

Let me make it simple

If you were brown and someone white blew the shiat out of your family you probably would want to kill white people.

Pretty damn simple to me.
 
2013-05-22 10:18:19 PM  

Mellotiger: untaken_name: Mellotiger: Has terrorism ever worked? Even once in the modern era? I mean, these are not small groups terrorists go up against, do they really expect millions of people to be like "oh man, we better do what these people say or they will kill a few of us every now and then!" It really just doesn't seem likely.

I dunno, 12 guys from Saudi Arabia managed to cost America untold billions of dollars and an ever-increasing number of their rights. Supposedly, terrorists hate us for our freedom, and now we're no longer free, so they have accomplished their mission. If that's not "working", I have no idea what "working" would look like.

Point taken, but I don't think the right to not be searched before boarding an airplane is what they wanted to change. We still have religious freedom, women are still driving cars and voting, media is still "westernized"....isn't that the things they are against? Did they really go through all that just to tighten up flight security and make wire-taps a bit more common? I doubt it. That's why I say it didn't work.


Oh, is that all they did? Nothing about the decade-plus long undeclared war that's draining tax money from normal people like water from a sieve? Nothing about the creation of a whole new government agency...which is now one of the largest and most expensive government agencies in America? Nothing about the stopping and searching of random people by said agency not only at airports, but also on municipal buses and in shopping malls? Nothing about the "stop and frisk" policies which result in over 500,000 violations of the 4th amendment every single year in NYC alone? Getting GWB re-elected.... Seriously, I think you're severely underestimating the impact those 12 Saudis had.
 
2013-05-22 10:20:13 PM  

gadian: high capacity fire arms


www.xceleratefitness.co.uk
 
2013-05-22 10:31:41 PM  

eventhelosers: Mellotiger: untaken_name: Mellotiger: Has terrorism ever worked? Even once in the modern era? I mean, these are not small groups terrorists go up against, do they really expect millions of people to be like "oh man, we better do what these people say or they will kill a few of us every now and then!" It really just doesn't seem likely.

I dunno, 12 guys from Saudi Arabia managed to cost America untold billions of dollars and an ever-increasing number of their rights. Supposedly, terrorists hate us for our freedom, and now we're no longer free, so they have accomplished their mission. If that's not "working", I have no idea what "working" would look like.

Point taken, but I don't think the right to not be searched before boarding an airplane is what they wanted to change. We still have religious freedom, women are still driving cars and voting, media is still "westernized"....isn't that the things they are against? Did they really go through all that just to tighten up flight security and make wire-taps a bit more common? I doubt it. That's why I say it didn't work.

How about killing even American citizens with no trial?  I spout off online all the time, am I next. I think we should be more surgical  killing the bad Muslims, or reap what we sew.

Let me make it simple

If you were brown and someone white blew the shiat out of your family you probably would want to kill white people.

Pretty damn simple to me.


Revenge and terrorism are not even close to the same thing.
 
2013-05-22 10:53:43 PM  

untaken_name: Mellotiger: untaken_name: Mellotiger: Has terrorism ever worked? Even once in the modern era? I mean, these are not small groups terrorists go up against, do they really expect millions of people to be like "oh man, we better do what these people say or they will kill a few of us every now and then!" It really just doesn't seem likely.

I dunno, 12 guys from Saudi Arabia managed to cost America untold billions of dollars and an ever-increasing number of their rights. Supposedly, terrorists hate us for our freedom, and now we're no longer free, so they have accomplished their mission. If that's not "working", I have no idea what "working" would look like.

Point taken, but I don't think the right to not be searched before boarding an airplane is what they wanted to change. We still have religious freedom, women are still driving cars and voting, media is still "westernized"....isn't that the things they are against? Did they really go through all that just to tighten up flight security and make wire-taps a bit more common? I doubt it. That's why I say it didn't work.

Oh, is that all they did? Nothing about the decade-plus long undeclared war that's draining tax money from normal people like water from a sieve? Nothing about the creation of a whole new government agency...which is now one of the largest and most expensive government agencies in America? Nothing about the stopping and searching of random people by said agency not only at airports, but also on municipal buses and in shopping malls? Nothing about the "stop and frisk" policies which result in over 500,000 violations of the 4th amendment every single year in NYC alone? Getting GWB re-elected.... Seriously, I think you're severely underestimating the impact those 12 Saudis had.


Oh no, don't misunderstand me, I'm not saying they didn't do much damage nor have a lasting effect on americans as well as the world, to some degree. I'm just saying that its not exactly crippling to our way of life. It has not encouraged us to give up our ways and be like they want us to be, in my opinion. We've given much, we've wasted more, but we are still doing every single thing that they hate us for. terrorism is meant to control people through terror, not inconvenience them. If inconvenience were the point, all crime would be terrorism.

When we all convert religions, or women stop going out uncovered, or we pull all of our troops home, or the media starts showing only state sanctioned propaganda, or any of the other things that they consider us infidels for stops happening as a direct result of fear of future terrorist attacks, then I will say they have unequivocally won, and we have succumbed. Until then, I guess we'll just disagree. But at least we're free to express it.
 
2013-05-22 11:06:40 PM  
CEGORACH: Get out of the Middle East and within a month or two you'll never see another terrorist action because they will be too busy killing each other for the next fifty years to worry about coming over to your nation, and your domestic crop will all bugger off back home to lend a hand. Give them five years of it and you can even help install a few strongmen and then it's back to business as usual.

You need to study Islam a bit. This was another tiny part of a large war that has been going on since Islam was founded 1400 years ago. It is a war that will never end until Islam is de-legitimated and left on the trash heap of history. Islam means "submission" and its goal is to make the entire world Muslim. There will always be Muslims and Leftists who will find excuses and rationalizations for Muslims subjugating, repressing, beating, maiming, torturing and killing non-believers, as well as other Muslims. The fact is that the religion was founded on violence and terror and justifies violence and terror to achieve its goals. It is estimated that over 200 million people have died in Muslim wars of conquest since the 700s. Those wars of conquest are continuing to this day. Just ask non-believers places like Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Mali, Indonesia, Thailand, Nigeria, Kenya, Pakistan, Egypt, Lebanon, Bangladesh, India, East Timor, Sri Lanka, Syria, Israel, The Philippines, Macedonia, Algeria, Libya, Tunisia, Spain, Russia, China, India, etc.

Islam cannot exist in harmony with other religions and cultures because it is a supremacist ideology which exhorts its followers to make the entire world submit to Islam, one way or the other.

Open your eyes.

Qur'an:9:88 "The Messenger and those who believe with him, strive hard and fight with their wealth and lives in Allah's Cause."
Qur'an:9:5 "Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war."
Qur'an:9:112 "The Believers fight in Allah's Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed."
Qur'an:9:29 "Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission."
Qur'an:8:39 "Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah."
Qur'an:8:39 "So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world)."
Qur'an:9:14 "Fight them and Allah will punish them by your hands, lay them low, and cover them with shame. He will help you over them."
Qur'an:8:65 "O Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are twenty among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; if there are a hundred then they will slaughter a thousand unbelievers, for the infidels are a people devoid of understanding."
Qur'an:9:38 "Believers, what is the matter with you, that when you are asked to go forth and fight in Allah's Cause you cling to the earth? Do you prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? Unless you go forth, He will afflict and punish you with a painful doom, and put others in your place."
Qur'an:9:123 "Fight the unbelievers around you, and let them find harshness in you."
Qur'an:8:72 "Those who accepted Islam and left their homes to fight in Allah's Cause with their possessions and persons, and those who gave (them) asylum, aid, and shelter, those who harbored them - these are allies of one another. You are not responsible for protecting those who embraced Islam but did not leave their homes [to fight] until they do so." [Another translation reads:] "You are only called to protect Muslims, who fight."
Qur'an:48:16 "Say (Muhammad) to the wandering desert Arabs who lagged behind: 'You shall be invited to fight against a people given to war with mighty prowess. You shall fight them until they surrender and submit. If you obey, Allah will grant you a reward, but if you turn back, as you did before, He will punish you with a grievous torture."
Qur'an:48:22 "If the unbelieving infidels fight against you, they will retreat. (Such has been) the practice (approved) of Allah in the past: no change will you find in the ways of Allah."
Qur'an:47:4 "When you clash with the unbelieving Infidels in battle (fighting Jihad in Allah's Cause), smite their necks until you overpower them, killing and wounding many of them. At length, when you have thoroughly subdued them, bind them firmly, making (them) captives. Thereafter either generosity or ransom (them based upon what benefits Islam) until the war lays down its burdens. Thus are you commanded by Allah to continue carrying out Jihad against the unbelieving infidels until they submit to Islam."
Qur'an:9:19 "Do you make the giving of drink to pilgrims, or the maintenance of the Mosque, equal to those who fight in the Cause of Allah? They are not comparable in the sight of Allah. Those who believe, and left their homes, striving with might, fighting in Allah's Cause with their goods and their lives, have the highest rank in the sight of Allah.
Qur'an:2:193 "Fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief) and religion is only for Allah. But if they cease/desist, let there be no hostility except against infidel disbelievers."
Qur'an:2:217 "They question you concerning fighting in the sacred month. Say: 'Fighting therein is a grave (matter); but to prevent access to Allah, to deny Him, to prevent access to the Sacred Mosque, to expel its members, and polytheism are worse than slaughter. Nor will they cease fighting you until they make you renegades from your religion. If any of you turn back and die in unbelief, your works will be lost and you will go to Hell. Surely those who believe and leave their homes to fight in Allah's Cause have the hope of Allah's mercy."
Qur'an:2:244 "Fight in Allah's Cause, and know that Allah hears and knows all."
Qur'an:2:246 "He said: 'Would you refrain from fighting if fighting were prescribed for you?' They said: 'How could we refuse to fight in Allah's Cause?'"
Qur'an:3:146 "How many prophets fought in Allah's Cause? With them (fought) myriads of godly men who were slain. They never lost heart if they met with disaster in Allah's Cause, nor did they weaken nor give in. Allah loves those who are firm and steadfast [warriors]."
Qur'an:3:153 "Behold! You ran off precipitately, climbing up the high hill without even casting a side glance at anyone, while the Messenger in your rear is calling you from your rear, urging you to fight. Allah gave you one distress after another by way of requital, to teach you not to grieve for the booty that had escaped you and for (the ill) that had befallen you."
Qur'an:3:154 "Say: 'Even if you had remained in your houses, those ordained to be slaughtered would have gone forth to the places where they were to slain."
Qur'an:61:4 "Surely Allah loves those who fight in His Cause." Qur'an:61:11 "Believers, shall I lead you to a bargain or trade that will save you from a painful torment? That you believe in Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad), and that you strive and fight in Allah's Cause with your property and your lives: That will be best for you!"
Qur'an 61:12 "He will forgive you your sins, and admit you to Gardens under which rivers flow, and to beautiful mansions in Eden: that is indeed the Supreme Achievement. And another (favor) which you love: help from Allah for a speedy victory over your enemies.
 
2013-05-22 11:15:02 PM  
So these guys are gonna do what? 10 years in cushy prisons maybe?
 
2013-05-22 11:20:35 PM  

vudukungfu: Listen, you dicks.
It's only "Terrorism" if it frightens you.
It didn't frighten me.
It didn't frighten that female Bobby who gunned the cray cray sumbaitch down in warm blood.
It's just some smack head looking for his "ATTICA!" moment, and deprived of it because, sweet brown, ain't nobody got time fo dat.

Screw 'em. Let Allah sort 'em out.


Dial it back a little and someone might actually bite; someone besides me saying you're trying too hard, I mean.
 
2013-05-22 11:22:54 PM  

mikaloyd: So these guys are gonna do what? 10 years in cushy prisons maybe?


More like an eternity in a pine box. Suicide by cop never comes with jail time.
 
2013-05-23 12:01:02 AM  

Dr Dreidel: There wasn't even a political motivation - this was "retribution" for a slight, not a "protest" seeking some reform or change.


Really?  Do tell us what the dead guy did to these two fellows......

Oh wait, is it common in your land to get mad at one guy, cross the street, and punch some other guy as punishment?
 
2013-05-23 12:01:53 AM  
Bath salts?
 
2013-05-23 12:08:20 AM  
Did I get in before the lefties say that killing the student and beheading him isnt terrorism?
 
2013-05-23 01:11:15 AM  

vudukungfu: Listen, you dicks.
It's only "Terrorism" if it frightens you.
It didn't frighten me.
It didn't frighten that female Bobby who gunned the cray cray sumbaitch down in warm blood.
It's just some smack head looking for his "ATTICA!" moment, and deprived of it because, sweet brown, ain't nobody got time fo dat.

Screw 'em. Let Allah sort 'em out.


Well... I actually think I agree with you.
 
2013-05-23 01:43:27 AM  

bleckdoyle: CEGORACH: Get out of the Middle East and within a month or two you'll never see another terrorist action because they will be too busy killing each other for the next fifty years to worry about coming over to your nation, and your domestic crop will all bugger off back home to lend a hand. Give them five years of it and you can even help install a few strongmen and then it's back to business as usual.

You need to study Islam a bit. This was another tiny part of a large war that has been going on since Islam was founded 1400 years ago. It is a war that will never end until Islam is de-legitimated and left on the trash heap of history. Islam means "submission" and its goal is to make the entire world Muslim. There will always be Muslims and Leftists who will find excuses and rationalizations for Muslims subjugating, repressing, beating, maiming, torturing and killing non-believers, as well as other Muslims. The fact is that the religion was founded on violence and terror and justifies violence and terror to achieve its goals. It is estimated that over 200 million people have died in Muslim wars of conquest since the 700s. Those wars of conquest are continuing to this day. Just ask non-believers places like Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Mali, Indonesia, Thailand, Nigeria, Kenya, Pakistan, Egypt, Lebanon, Bangladesh, India, East Timor, Sri Lanka, Syria, Israel, The Philippines, Macedonia, Algeria, Libya, Tunisia, Spain, Russia, China, India, etc.

Islam cannot exist in harmony with other religions and cultures because it is a supremacist ideology which exhorts its followers to make the entire world submit to Islam, one way or the other.

Open your eyes.

Qur'an:9:88 "The Messenger and those who believe with him, strive hard and fight with their wealth and lives in Allah's Cause."
Qur'an:9:5 "Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war."
Qur'an:9:112 "The Believers fight in A ...


Why are you here when you know you would be happier on stormfront.org?
 
2013-05-23 02:02:46 AM  
If only there was some kind of weapon that the soldier could have been packing....
 
2013-05-23 03:05:12 AM  

bleckdoyle: Islam cannot exist in harmony with other religions and cultures because it is a supremacist ideology which exhorts its followers to make the entire world submit to Islam, one way or the other.


...Just like any other religion in the history of forever.
 
2013-05-23 03:17:17 AM  
What's up with the denial we go through every time something like this happens? Interesting to see a lot of people scrambling to make it out like this was just some crazy guy on drugs, and not a symptom of a larger problem.
 
2013-05-23 03:48:32 AM  
Don't like the western world?? Then get out! Sick of you Shiatholes trying to turn western nations into the crap holes you fled.
 
2013-05-23 04:35:51 AM  
Father_Jack: dforkus: Father_Jack: dforkus: Father_Jack: JabbaTheButt: Wake up.   As this murderer said,  Islam is at war with the West.
Oh, I see, blaming the religion is "barking up the wrong tree", it's all our fault.

Bull farking shiat.
There are a billion hindus that are just as poor as the muslim underclass, hundreds of millions in central and south america that have been royally farked over by bad Western foreign policy, but they aren't hacking up people in the US/UK to "avenge their brothers"...

Islam's got a problem, a big farking problem, and they, so far, have been so wrapped up in their perpetual state of victimhood to really do anything about it.

where did i say its all our fault?

i'm just sayin' there is not a causal relationship between islam and terrorism. if there were, then the turks the indonesians, the malaysians etc would be doing the same thing. and they're not; they have successful states and are making money etc.


Turkey has no less than 12 active terrorist organisations (admittedly 1/3 of these are communist/marxist groups)  they have to deal with inside their own borders including:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hizbollah_(Turkey)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Eastern_Islamic_Raiders%27_Front

Indonesia has its own damn wiki page just to list all the terrorism that goes on there:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_Indonesi a
also  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jemaah_Islamiah

And as for Malaysia, they are doing well, well enough to plan your next conference there:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_al-Qaeda_Summit

You also might want to read up on this for how being anything but Muslim in Malaysia isn't all rainbows and sunshine

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_religion_in_Malaysia

And yes wikipedia links, because they are easy to find and this is fark.com not my doctoral dissertation.

To state that Islam is not related to terrorism in a significant way is just delusional, and yes there are non-muslim terrorists, eg. the aforementioned communist/marxist ones in Turkey, the IRA, ETA etc, but the number of terrorists in the world today that are muslim so far outweighs the others, that being terrorist and not muslim is noteworthy by its exception.
 
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