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2013-05-22 04:13:53 PM  
Inb4 JoeBlowme stereotypes over 1.5 billion peo-

too late.
 
2013-05-22 04:14:01 PM  

fireclown: jst3p: dittybopper: fireclown: dittybopper: Yes, too smart and too decent. Right. Followed UK politics at all? Ever watched Prime Minister's Questions?

I know that a lot of brit politicians consider PM questions to be a waste of the PMs time in that he or she has to spend hours prepping, but I would LOVE to see it instituted here in the US.

I actually like the idea myself. It just seems so AMERICAN to hurl hostile questions at the head of the government.

It would never work for the same reason our presidential debates are awful: pivot.

Pivot? I don't get it.


HAVE A GOAL IN MIND
If you have no idea what you want to achieve, how the hell are you going to know when you've succeeded? Figure out a message that you want to get across and stay on point. When candidates pussyfoot around a subject they look weak and muddle their objective. If you somehow get derailed from your narrative, do what the candidates do - find a word or phrase you can use to pivot the discussion back into an area that serves your position.


http://www.modernman.com/debate-techniques-you-can-actually-use/
 
2013-05-22 04:14:55 PM  
Just soooo relieved it was white guys this time you guys. So happy.
 
2013-05-22 04:15:41 PM  
Yeah, I generally think that genocide is kind of a bad thing but I'm *really* starting to think there are exceptions.
/NUKE Mecca.

shiitehappens.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-05-22 04:16:07 PM  

super_grass: A note to all the fark racists: two people do not represent more than a million followers, and it's not fair to judge an entire faith based on two people. Do McVeigh or abortion clinic bombers represent all christians? No.

The victims in the long run will of course be immigrants as racist, right-wing parties like UKIP try to use this excuse to clamp down on immigration.


where the fark have you been for the last 40 year? this is not an isolated incident

/psst islam is not a race, but it is a death cult
//exhibit 112317418976890602349783545 can be found in TFA
 
2013-05-22 04:16:12 PM  

21-7-b: at the moment we have nothing to go on, but it's likely something, or someone, radicalized them.


Meth?
 
2013-05-22 04:17:23 PM  

Ego edo infantia cattus: olithon20: As a Brit, I say that while this is a terrible incident, it doesn't really make me think "Oh god, Terrorists!'.

So a couple of complete nutters killed a poor guy and were stupid enough to hang around ranting and raving about it until they got taken down by the police. It's a shame, but it happens. Crazy is crazy, whatever flavour it comes in. They'll be punished in due course, and my deepest sympathies to the family, but otherwise, it's just one of those things. The media seem to be getting rather too excitable about it all, simply due to the supposed terrorism angle.

If there is a sudden rash of attacks, on military personnel or otherwise, I might be somewhat concerned, but otherwise, hey, crazy is crazy.

Ned Stark: soldier

Not terrorism.

Except that they were religious zealots making political statements, threatening future violence, and demanding as much media coverage as they could get... other than that, totally not terrorists.
Oh, and he wasn't a soldier, he was a cadet.

DO YOU WANT TO KNOW MORE?


Yep. Yep. Yep. So what?

Soldiers are legal targets, even if they are in training. Not terrorism.
 
2013-05-22 04:17:30 PM  

willfullyobscure: Just soooo relieved it was white guys this time you guys. So happy.


Hey, cut that out.

Race-baiting is reserved only for reputable journalistic outlets like Salon so can get more pageclicks. Doing it on a fark thread is just tasteless.
 
2013-05-22 04:18:11 PM  
Do they have guns over there?
This is an easy fix.
 
2013-05-22 04:18:40 PM  

jennies1897: Lady Indica: Mimic_Octopus: Lady Indica: I've seen one person beheaded on video. If you've not seen something like that, I STRONGLY urge you NOT to watch it. Not ever.

You'll live your whole life happier not seeing or hearing it. Please, just trust me on that one.

As to what happened...just holy fark. 0_0

gotta link to the video that scarred you for life ?

Didn't scar me for life but then again it wasn't a spider. I've seen worse. But it's a pretty awful thing, much worse than most people expect. And if you're a fan of gore (not judging, not my thing) you've probably seen it. It was the Russian solider decapitated with a knife. Very up close, very graphic, with full audio. Again, not judging but I personally don't see any redeeming value in such content being available. Always hope the family never sees it. =\

I think I've seen it, the audio is what got me not so much the visual. About ten years ago or so that made its rounds?


Yes. And yes. The audio was very disturbing.
 
2013-05-22 04:18:54 PM  

happydude45: lockers: From the brilliant analysis: "The case for this being a jihadist attack, following the ideology of al-Qaeda, is compelling - even if the police won't yet say so officially."

I like how lone nutjob is now equivalent to insidious terrorist plot. I guess when you have a permanent war on an imagined political phantom, every minor crime must be part of it to encourage it's maintenance. I see the same shiat on the local news and refuse to accept this as terrorism at all.

Well, since the killers shouted "Allahu Akbar", you can confidently surmise that it was a terrorist nutjob.



And here I was thinking the dead giveaway was that fact that the guys sawed a cadets head off then told the people who witnessed it to remove their government or they'd never be safe.
 
2013-05-22 04:18:59 PM  

super_grass: A note to all the fark racists...


The people blaming this attack on Islam aren't being racist.  Islam is not something you're born with; it's something you're taught.
 
2013-05-22 04:19:44 PM  

lennavan: olithon20: As a Brit, I say that while this is a terrible incident, it doesn't really make me think "Oh god, Terrorists!'.

Terrorism is a word.  Words have meaning.  The word terrorism has a meaning.
ter·ror·ism[ter-uh-riz-uh] Show IPA noun
1.the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.

We agree this was violence, right?  Good, that's half of the definition right there.  Now what was the purpose of this violence?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=EROXP8JDG9M# !

This may or may not be NSFW.  It's not really that bad but tastes may vary, so you were warned.  He's talking about the government.  Seems to me he has a political purpose.  I don't think it's wrong to use the word "terrorism" here.  Perhaps since it's only one guy dead and an isolated incident, you believe it's pretty ineffective terrorism.  But it is still terrorism.


Concur.
 
2013-05-22 04:20:05 PM  

omnibus_necanda_sunt: Inb4 JoeBlowme stereotypes over 1.5 billion peo-

too late.


Tolerance of evil is a crime. Im talking about islam, not the people who are brainwashed.
Its like saying Nazis bad but not all germans are, see the difference? or are their good nazis?

/member?
//dhimmi?
 
2013-05-22 04:20:30 PM  

opiumpoopy: Apparently the government took it as a serious terrorist incident.


What, they killed a Brazilian?
 
2013-05-22 04:21:12 PM  

Lady Indica: jennies1897: Lady Indica: Mimic_Octopus: Lady Indica: I've seen one person beheaded on video. If you've not seen something like that, I STRONGLY urge you NOT to watch it. Not ever.

You'll live your whole life happier not seeing or hearing it. Please, just trust me on that one.

As to what happened...just holy fark. 0_0

gotta link to the video that scarred you for life ?

Didn't scar me for life but then again it wasn't a spider. I've seen worse. But it's a pretty awful thing, much worse than most people expect. And if you're a fan of gore (not judging, not my thing) you've probably seen it. It was the Russian solider decapitated with a knife. Very up close, very graphic, with full audio. Again, not judging but I personally don't see any redeeming value in such content being available. Always hope the family never sees it. =\

I think I've seen it, the audio is what got me not so much the visual. About ten years ago or so that made its rounds?

Yes. And yes. The audio was very disturbing.


The audio was the part that made me cringe.  The...well, I don't need to go into detail, you heard it too.  Felt really awful for the guy.
 
2013-05-22 04:21:43 PM  

fireclown: jst3p: dittybopper: fireclown: dittybopper: Yes, too smart and too decent. Right. Followed UK politics at all? Ever watched Prime Minister's Questions?

I know that a lot of brit politicians consider PM questions to be a waste of the PMs time in that he or she has to spend hours prepping, but I would LOVE to see it instituted here in the US.

I actually like the idea myself.  It just seems so AMERICAN to hurl hostile questions at the head of the government.

It would never work for the same reason our presidential debates are awful: pivot.

Pivot?  I don't get it.

I would like to see some kind of system in place to keep everyone on topic, however.  I have long proposed that my Grand Ma-Ma be allowed to sit in for presidential debates.  If a candidate would be asked a question and answer a completely different question, she would get to give them a slapping.


And if she gets tired, may we move on to cattle prods?
 
2013-05-22 04:22:06 PM  

super_grass: A note to all the fark racists: two people do not represent more than a million followers, and it's not fair to judge an entire faith based on two people. Do McVeigh or abortion clinic bombers represent all christians? No.

The victims in the long run will of course be immigrants as racist, right-wing parties like UKIP try to use this excuse to clamp down on immigration.


What are you talking about? The "faith" of these two individuals has absolutely nothing to do with their race. Based on your handle, about all I can advise you to do is put down the weed & pick up a book... preferrably a dictionary or something on the topic of theology vs. anthropology and how to tell the difference between the two.

/shakes head
 
2013-05-22 04:22:21 PM  

Joe Blowme: good nazis


Rommel.
 
2013-05-22 04:22:22 PM  

Ego edo infantia cattus: Savage Belief: Wow. I thought only US cops shot people for filming them.

Here buddy, you could really use this.

/Just trying to help.


5/7 and to be honest the 2 I got wrong seemed rather subjective to me, but actually an interesting read. stupid SAT's took all the fun out of reading back in school when you were on the clock.  but if you think that this thread isn't going to be a troll fest then you may want to re-learn the scientific method yourself (no offense)
 
2013-05-22 04:23:09 PM  

olithon20: As a Brit, I say that while this is a terrible incident, it doesn't really make me think "Oh god, Terrorists!'.

So a couple of complete nutters killed a poor guy and were stupid enough to hang around ranting and raving about it until they got taken down by the police. It's a shame, but it happens. Crazy is crazy, whatever flavour it comes in. They'll be punished in due course, and my deepest sympathies to the family, but otherwise, it's just one of those things. The media seem to be getting rather too excitable about it all, simply due to the supposed terrorism angle.

If there is a sudden rash of attacks, on military personnel or otherwise, I might be somewhat concerned, but otherwise, hey, crazy is crazy.


USA style in the house
 
2013-05-22 04:23:58 PM  

you are a puppet: <em>"I apologise that women have had to witness this today, but in our land our women have to see the same.</em>

In your land women have to deal with a lot worse.


Crazy dude makes no sense. He has a pretty strong and clear British accent to be from another land.
 
2013-05-22 04:24:02 PM  
TheGogmagog:

WTF did I just read?

How about a primer in how to speak London from Shadrack and the Mandem?

NSFW -  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ugy2MpD-mrE

Gets quite odd towards the end
 
2013-05-22 04:24:13 PM  

olithon20: I will concede that this act would likely fit the bill for the definition of 'terrorism'. At the end of the day, any violent act committed could probably be argued to be an act of terrorism.


No, it can't.  Terrorism is a word.  Words have meaning.  Terrorism is a word with a meaning.  The meaning of terrorism is not "any violent act."  The meaning of terrorism is "any violent act/thread to coerce."  Unless you can tell me who OJ Simpson was trying to coerce, that was not an act of terrorism.

olithon20: I don't think it's worth getting too concerned over in the long term


I don't either.  It's still terrorism.  If you've got it stuck in your head that all acts of terrorism demand high amounts of concern, that's your problem.  It doesn't change the definition of the word terrorism.
 
2013-05-22 04:24:49 PM  

PunGent: I would like to see some kind of system in place to keep everyone on topic, however. I have long proposed that my Grand Ma-Ma be allowed to sit in for presidential debates. If a candidate would be asked a question and answer a completely different question, she would get to give them a slapping.

And if she gets tired, may we move on to cattle prods?


Sure.  But I can assure you, my Grand Ma-Mas pimp hand is strong.  Should she, however, require a cup of coffee I guess you could have some thugs zap the crap out of a candidate.
 
2013-05-22 04:24:52 PM  

Joe Blowme: omnibus_necanda_sunt: Inb4 JoeBlowme stereotypes over 1.5 billion peo-

too late.

Tolerance of evil is a crime. Im talking about islam, not the people who are brainwashed.
Its like saying Nazis bad but not all germans are, see the difference? or are their good nazis?

/member?
//dhimmi?


Actually, looking at what germany is subjecting the rest of the EU to, all germans may be bad.
 
2013-05-22 04:25:44 PM  
omnibus_necanda_sunt

Meth?

who knows.
 
2013-05-22 04:25:47 PM  
 
2013-05-22 04:26:05 PM  
And for Christ's sake, don't pretend there isn't a strong undercurrent of racism involved in Islamophobia. How many times does "white people" come to mind when you say the word "Muslim"? The Daily Show did an entire bit on how freaking weird white Muslims are and how America had trouble assimilating it post-Boston.

And nobody gives a shiat about the Balkans.
 
2013-05-22 04:26:09 PM  

lockers: Joe Blowme: omnibus_necanda_sunt: Inb4 JoeBlowme stereotypes over 1.5 billion peo-

too late.

Tolerance of evil is a crime. Im talking about islam, not the people who are brainwashed.
Its like saying Nazis bad but not all germans are, see the difference? or are their good nazis?

/member?
//dhimmi?

Actually, looking at what germany is subjecting the rest of the EU to, all germans may be bad.


All German potato salad is bad.
 
2013-05-22 04:26:12 PM  

Joe Blowme: omnibus_necanda_sunt: Inb4 JoeBlowme stereotypes over 1.5 billion peo-

too late.

Tolerance of evil is a crime. Im talking about islam, not the people who are brainwashed.
Its like saying Nazis bad but not all germans are, see the difference? or are their good nazis?

/member?
//dhimmi?


What a good Nazi may look like in springtime...
www.funcrunch.com
 
2013-05-22 04:26:56 PM  

lennavan: olithon20: I will concede that this act would likely fit the bill for the definition of 'terrorism'. At the end of the day, any violent act committed could probably be argued to be an act of terrorism.

No, it can't.  Terrorism is a word.  Words have meaning.  Terrorism is a word with a meaning.  The meaning of terrorism is not "any violent act."  The meaning of terrorism is "any violent act/thread to coerce."  Unless you can tell me who OJ Simpson was trying to coerce, that was not an act of terrorism.

olithon20: I don't think it's worth getting too concerned over in the long term

I don't either.  It's still terrorism.  If you've got it stuck in your head that all acts of terrorism demand high amounts of concern, that's your problem.  It doesn't change the definition of the word terrorism.


Your definition of terrorism is absurd. [Intentionally targeting civilians] needs to be inserted, at the very least.
 
2013-05-22 04:27:01 PM  

Lady Indica: jennies1897: Lady Indica: Mimic_Octopus: Lady Indica: I've seen one person beheaded on video. If you've not seen something like that, I STRONGLY urge you NOT to watch it. Not ever.

You'll live your whole life happier not seeing or hearing it. Please, just trust me on that one.

As to what happened...just holy fark. 0_0

gotta link to the video that scarred you for life ?

Didn't scar me for life but then again it wasn't a spider. I've seen worse. But it's a pretty awful thing, much worse than most people expect. And if you're a fan of gore (not judging, not my thing) you've probably seen it. It was the Russian solider decapitated with a knife. Very up close, very graphic, with full audio. Again, not judging but I personally don't see any redeeming value in such content being available. Always hope the family never sees it. =\

I think I've seen it, the audio is what got me not so much the visual. About ten years ago or so that made its rounds?

Yes. And yes. The audio was very disturbing.


Oh lordy. I remember that one. That's where I learned that you really can't unsee (or unhear) things. I've been much more careful about clicking ever since.
 
2013-05-22 04:28:00 PM  

Lady Indica: Didn't scar me for life but then again it wasn't a spider. I've seen worse. But it's a pretty awful thing, much worse than most people expect. And if you're a fan of gore (not judging, not my thing) you've probably seen it. It was the Russian solider decapitated with a knife. Very up close, very graphic, with full audio. Again, not judging but I personally don't see any redeeming value in such content being available. Always hope the family never sees it. =\


Yeah, I saw that reporter (Daniel Pearl) get beheaded and I completely agree with you.  The audio was what really sticks with you.  I dunno why I watched that one but I won't watch anything like it again.
 
2013-05-22 04:28:22 PM  

olithon20: lennavan: olithon20: As a Brit, I say that while this is a terrible incident, it doesn't really make me think "Oh god, Terrorists!'.

Terrorism is a word.  Words have meaning.  The word terrorism has a meaning.
ter·ror·ism[ter-uh-riz-uh] Show IPA noun
1.the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.

We agree this was violence, right?  Good, that's half of the definition right there.  Now what was the purpose of this violence?

Ok, so perhaps I was a little vague in my response. For which I apologise.

I will concede that this act would likely fit the bill for the definition of 'terrorism'. At the end of the day, any violent act committed could probably be argued to be an act of terrorism.


Remember that crazy guy who hacked up the poor dude on the bus in Canada last year?  that was violent, but not terrorism.

And I wouldn't doubt that the people involved felt some form of ideological motivation to commit this act.

If their motivation is political/ideological...the attendant violence is pretty much terrorism.

However, I don't really feel like this is much more than some act of some rather troubled people. I don't see this (and I really hope that I am correct) as some big Terrorist plot, but simply some very angry men committing a violent, isolated act. Sadly, this sort of thing happens.

I doubt it's a BIG plot, but it's still terrorism.

Sometimes it's due to a misguided religious fervor, sometimes it's because the voices in thier head told them so. Sometimes both.

Again, while I deplore the act committed here today, I don't think it's worth getting too concerned over in the long term, unless it turns out to be some part of a greater plan, which right now I feel is unlikely.


I view Islam like I view Communism: regardless of their theoretical merits, in real-world practice, both are FAR too likely to be hijacked by violent extremists to the detriment of their own and neighboring societies.

Both suck as political systems, since they provide insufficient countervailing benefits to humanity to outweigh their manifold faults.
 
2013-05-22 04:28:42 PM  

omnibus_necanda_sunt: And for Christ's sake, don't pretend there isn't a strong undercurrent of racism involved in Islamophobia. How many times does "white people" come to mind when you say the word "Muslim"? The Daily Show did an entire bit on how freaking weird white Muslims are and how America had trouble assimilating it post-Boston.

And nobody gives a shiat about the Balkans.


But quibbling about Islamophobia and race gives them an "out" when someone points out their bigotry.

It also diverts attention away from their wildly inconsistent reactions to killings done by Muslim radicals.
 
2013-05-22 04:29:05 PM  
Is there such a thing as Reverse-Colonialism. Because the UK could use some of that right now.
 
2013-05-22 04:29:11 PM  

LoneCraneFullMoon: Lady Indica: jennies1897: Lady Indica: Mimic_Octopus: Lady Indica: I've seen one person beheaded on video. If you've not seen something like that, I STRONGLY urge you NOT to watch it. Not ever.

You'll live your whole life happier not seeing or hearing it. Please, just trust me on that one.

As to what happened...just holy fark. 0_0

gotta link to the video that scarred you for life ?

Didn't scar me for life but then again it wasn't a spider. I've seen worse. But it's a pretty awful thing, much worse than most people expect. And if you're a fan of gore (not judging, not my thing) you've probably seen it. It was the Russian solider decapitated with a knife. Very up close, very graphic, with full audio. Again, not judging but I personally don't see any redeeming value in such content being available. Always hope the family never sees it. =\

I think I've seen it, the audio is what got me not so much the visual. About ten years ago or so that made its rounds?

Yes. And yes. The audio was very disturbing.

The audio was the part that made me cringe.  The...well, I don't need to go into detail, you heard it too.  Felt really awful for the guy.


I think because it was unexpected. I had someone misrepresent the link, so I wasn't expecting any of it. If it helps, while it sounded farking awful once the artery is severed, the person is unconscious extremely quickly (within seconds). The rest is just the body making noise, going through the motions. So at least they were spared that. =\
 
2013-05-22 04:29:12 PM  

Ned Stark: Ego edo infantia cattus: olithon20: As a Brit, I say that while this is a terrible incident, it doesn't really make me think "Oh god, Terrorists!'.

So a couple of complete nutters killed a poor guy and were stupid enough to hang around ranting and raving about it until they got taken down by the police. It's a shame, but it happens. Crazy is crazy, whatever flavour it comes in. They'll be punished in due course, and my deepest sympathies to the family, but otherwise, it's just one of those things. The media seem to be getting rather too excitable about it all, simply due to the supposed terrorism angle.

If there is a sudden rash of attacks, on military personnel or otherwise, I might be somewhat concerned, but otherwise, hey, crazy is crazy.

Ned Stark: soldier

Not terrorism.

Except that they were religious zealots making political statements, threatening future violence, and demanding as much media coverage as they could get... other than that, totally not terrorists.
Oh, and he wasn't a soldier, he was a cadet.

DO YOU WANT TO KNOW MORE?

Yep. Yep. Yep. So what?

Soldiers are legal targets, even if they are in training. Not terrorism.



ter·ror·ism  noun\ˈter-ər-ˌi-zəm\
: the systematic use of terror especially as a means of cohesion.

Funny, Webster's doesn't say anything about civilian or military targets.
 
2013-05-22 04:29:33 PM  

lennavan: olithon20: As a Brit, I say that while this is a terrible incident, it doesn't really make me think "Oh god, Terrorists!'.

Terrorism is a word.  Words have meaning.  The word terrorism has a meaning.
ter·ror·ism[ter-uh-riz-uh] Show IPA noun
1.the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.

We agree this was violence, right?  Good, that's half of the definition right there.  Now what was the purpose of this violence?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=EROXP8JDG9M# !

This may or may not be NSFW.  It's not really that bad but tastes may vary, so you were warned.  He's talking about the government.  Seems to me he has a political purpose.  I don't think it's wrong to use the word "terrorism" here.  Perhaps since it's only one guy dead and an isolated incident, you believe it's pretty ineffective terrorism.  But it is still terrorism.


It still doesn't seem like terrorism. Definitions vary but usually when we study terrorism or talk about terrorism - we're speaking about a person or group that uses terror to leverage change (usually political). That's the basic criteria scholars, experts, and historians use.

Countries, agencies, states, etc often have slightly varying definitions. The US federal government has a few different ones that vary with each agency.
 
2013-05-22 04:30:19 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: And exactly WHERE was Obama?  Doing nothing...AGAIN!



Oh, c'mon already... BOB is always doing something. Play Golf, learning to speak without a teleprompter, eating a dog -- even getting a good night's sleep while your embassy is being attacked and your ambassador is killed is doing something.  You really are bing too hard on the man and besides, this was over in  GB, so it's more of the queen's problem.  Now I wonder why she DID NOTHING!!!
 
2013-05-22 04:30:34 PM  

super_grass: But quibbling about Islamophobia and race gives them an "out" when someone points out their bigotry.


You haven't actually pointed out any bigotry.  You've just assumed it.
 
2013-05-22 04:30:59 PM  

Joe Blowme: omnibus_necanda_sunt: Inb4 JoeBlowme stereotypes over 1.5 billion peo-

too late.

Tolerance of evil is a crime. Im talking about islam, not the people who are brainwashed.
Its like saying Nazis bad but not all germans are, see the difference? or are their good nazis?

/member?
//dhimmi?


Your complex insight into this murder is commendable and not at all indicative of an overly simplistic, reactionary nitwit.

/+as many internets as your great mind can imagine
 
2013-05-22 04:31:03 PM  

DeadPuppySociety: Smeggy Smurf: Religion of Peace

Aren't they all?


I'm pretty sure Pastafarians practice peace
 
2013-05-22 04:32:17 PM  
Maybe he was alien?

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-05-22 04:32:27 PM  
It took 20 minutes for the police to show up and they had to wait longer until they could get the special cops with guns to shoot the muslims.
 
2013-05-22 04:32:38 PM  

Ned Stark: Ego edo infantia cattus: olithon20: As a Brit, I say that while this is a terrible incident, it doesn't really make me think "Oh god, Terrorists!'.

So a couple of complete nutters killed a poor guy and were stupid enough to hang around ranting and raving about it until they got taken down by the police. It's a shame, but it happens. Crazy is crazy, whatever flavour it comes in. They'll be punished in due course, and my deepest sympathies to the family, but otherwise, it's just one of those things. The media seem to be getting rather too excitable about it all, simply due to the supposed terrorism angle.

If there is a sudden rash of attacks, on military personnel or otherwise, I might be somewhat concerned, but otherwise, hey, crazy is crazy.

Ned Stark: soldier

Not terrorism.

Except that they were religious zealots making political statements, threatening future violence, and demanding as much media coverage as they could get... other than that, totally not terrorists.
Oh, and he wasn't a soldier, he was a cadet.

DO YOU WANT TO KNOW MORE?

Yep. Yep. Yep. So what?

Soldiers are legal targets, even if they are in training. Not terrorism.



Soldiers are legitimate targets for other soldiers when all sides are following their respective chains of command in a declared war.

Non-soldiers randomly going after a service member in peacetime it isn't legitimate war making, and they've probably got no protection under Geneva.
Meaning the British can call them terrorists or murderers orwhatever and deal with them according to their governments laws.
 
2013-05-22 04:32:54 PM  

super_grass: A note to all the fark racists: two people do not represent more than a million followers, and it's not fair to judge an entire faith based on two people. Do McVeigh or abortion clinic bombers represent all christians? No.

The victims in the long run will of course be immigrants as racist, right-wing parties like UKIP try to use this excuse to clamp down on immigration.


While discrimination - not technically racism. Islam is a religion and not a subspecies.
 
2013-05-22 04:33:37 PM  

omnibus_necanda_sunt: Inb4 JoeBlowme stereotypes over 1.5 billion peo-

too late.


Shrug.  A large percentage of communists were non-violent, decent people.

Didn't prevent communist regimes from inflicting unheralded savagery on the world.

Or are you really going to say Islam is no different than, say, the Quakers?

Interestingly, communism and Islam have similar tenets regarding submission of the individual to something "greater", whether it's the will of Allah (as interpreted by the local imam), or the Party.

Screw that.
 
2013-05-22 04:34:04 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: DeadPuppySociety: Smeggy Smurf: Religion of Peace

Aren't they all?

I'm pretty sure Pastafarians practice peace


These people look peaceful to you?

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