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2013-05-22 03:49:49 PM  
That's nuts.
 
2013-05-22 03:50:22 PM  
Wow.  When I read the headline, I thought that this was some kind of charity pig roast or something.  This is simply awful.  Best wishes to all involved.
 
2013-05-22 03:51:09 PM  
Beyond barbaric. It was the act of base animals. Nothing human to see there.
 
2013-05-22 03:51:51 PM  

dittybopper: Yes, too smart and too decent. Right. Followed UK politics at all? Ever watched Prime Minister's Questions?


I know that a lot of brit politicians consider PM questions to be a waste of the PMs time in that he or she has to spend hours prepping, but I would LOVE to see it instituted here in the US.
 
2013-05-22 03:51:55 PM  

lockers: From the brilliant analysis: "The case for this being a jihadist attack, following the ideology of al-Qaeda, is compelling - even if the police won't yet say so officially."

I like how lone nutjob is now equivalent to insidious terrorist plot. I guess when you have a permanent war on an imagined political phantom, every minor crime must be part of it to encourage it's maintenance. I see the same shiat on the local news and refuse to accept this as terrorism at all.


There wasn't even a political motivation - this was "retribution" for a slight, not a "protest" seeking some reform or change.

// it's only terrorism because one of "them" did it
 
2013-05-22 03:52:19 PM  

fireclown: Wow.  When I read the headline, I thought that this was some kind of charity pig roast or something.  This is simply awful.  Best wishes to all involved.


Not to the suspects.  They should be fed nothing but pig entrails.
 
2013-05-22 03:53:03 PM  
"Terrorists" makes it sound like an organized group, rather than the lone nutjob that it was. It's the difference between "gang beats up teenager" and "guy beats up teenager." Please make sure you get it right in the future subby.
 
2013-05-22 03:53:06 PM  

Beerguy: And youtube already has a video up......NSFW  NSFW   NSFW

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=EROXP8JDG9M#!


stupid farking announcer talking over the guy on film !!! what  a dick ! shut up asshole and let us hear the video  !!

anybody got unmolested footage link ?
 
2013-05-22 03:55:43 PM  

Savage Belief: Wow. I thought only US cops shot people for filming them.


Here buddy, you could really use this.

/Just trying to help.
 
2013-05-22 03:56:41 PM  
Those two muslims must have watched one hell of a video to be that mad.
 
2013-05-22 03:56:43 PM  

Moosecakes: "Terrorists" makes it sound like an organized group, rather than the lone nutjob that it was. It's the difference between "gang beats up teenager" and "guy beats up teenager." Please make sure you get it right in the future subby.


Apparently the government took it as a serious terrorist incident.

Perhaps they thought the nutjob was one of a hundred meat cleaver wielding sleeper robots?
 
2013-05-22 03:57:05 PM  
farking savages
 
2013-05-22 03:57:18 PM  

GBB: YoOjo: From Twitter user Boya Dee -

 'Ohhhhh myyyy God!!!! I just see a man with his head chopped off right in front of my eyes!

'Oh my God!!!! The way Feds took them out!!! It was a female police officer she come out the whip and just started bussssin shots!!

'Mate ive seen alot of s*** im my time but that has to rank sumwhere in the top 3. I couldnt believe my eyes. That was some movie s***.'

The two black bredas run this white guy over over then hop out the car and start chopping mans head off with machete!!

'People were asking whyyy whyyy they were just saying we've had enough! They looked like they were on sutn! Then they start waving a recolver

'Then boydem turn up!! Woolwich feds didnt want it... They had to wait for armed response.. Helicopters everyting...

'Then thats how u know they were on sutn cos they actually went for armed feds with just two machete and an old rusty lookin revolver

'The first guy goes for the female fed with the machete and she not even ramping she took man out like robocop never seen nutn like it

'Then the next breda try buss off the rusty 45 and it just backfires and blows mans finger clean off... Feds didnt pet to just take him out!!

'These times i was just going to the shop for some fruit and veg and i see all that!'

[t0.gstatic.com image 299x168]


WTF did I just read?
 
2013-05-22 03:57:44 PM  
I've seen one person beheaded on video. If you've not seen something like that, I STRONGLY urge you NOT to watch it. Not ever.

You'll live your whole life happier not seeing or hearing it. Please, just trust me on that one.

As to what happened...just holy fark. 0_0
 
2013-05-22 03:58:50 PM  
LONDONGHAZI!!!!
 
2013-05-22 03:58:51 PM  
Bastards.
 
2013-05-22 03:59:11 PM  

bigwf2007: Cadet solider? Is that like ROTC?


Yeah, basically the British version of it.
 
2013-05-22 03:59:16 PM  
As a Brit, I say that while this is a terrible incident, it doesn't really make me think "Oh god, Terrorists!'.

So a couple of complete nutters killed a poor guy and were stupid enough to hang around ranting and raving about it until they got taken down by the police. It's a shame, but it happens. Crazy is crazy, whatever flavour it comes in. They'll be punished in due course, and my deepest sympathies to the family, but otherwise, it's just one of those things. The media seem to be getting rather too excitable about it all, simply due to the supposed terrorism angle.

If there is a sudden rash of attacks, on military personnel or otherwise, I might be somewhat concerned, but otherwise, hey, crazy is crazy.
 
2013-05-22 03:59:32 PM  
27.media.tumblr.com

"...and stay outta Woolwich"!
 
2013-05-22 03:59:46 PM  

weapon13: He used a meat cleaver. Who does he think he is? A chinese gangster?


Or a guy playing Diablo...
 
2013-05-22 03:59:50 PM  

Dr Dreidel: lockers: From the brilliant analysis: "The case for this being a jihadist attack, following the ideology of al-Qaeda, is compelling - even if the police won't yet say so officially."

I like how lone nutjob is now equivalent to insidious terrorist plot. I guess when you have a permanent war on an imagined political phantom, every minor crime must be part of it to encourage it's maintenance. I see the same shiat on the local news and refuse to accept this as terrorism at all.

There wasn't even a political motivation - this was "retribution" for a slight, not a "protest" seeking some reform or change.

// it's only terrorism because one of "them" did it


Check out BBC. They've got video of the guy standing there with the meat cleaver, blood on his hands, body in the middle of the street, saying it was terrorism. It's terrorism.
 
2013-05-22 04:00:30 PM  

Lady Indica: I've seen one person beheaded on video. If you've not seen something like that, I STRONGLY urge you NOT to watch it. Not ever.

You'll live your whole life happier not seeing or hearing it. Please, just trust me on that one.

As to what happened...just holy fark. 0_0


gotta link to the video that scarred you for life ?
 
2013-05-22 04:00:44 PM  
soldier

Not terrorism.
 
2013-05-22 04:01:01 PM  
Politics thread on the main page
d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net
An ancient evil awakens

 
2013-05-22 04:01:13 PM  

fireclown: dittybopper: Yes, too smart and too decent. Right. Followed UK politics at all? Ever watched Prime Minister's Questions?

I know that a lot of brit politicians consider PM questions to be a waste of the PMs time in that he or she has to spend hours prepping, but I would LOVE to see it instituted here in the US.


I actually like the idea myself.  It just seems so AMERICAN to hurl hostile questions at the head of the government.
 
2013-05-22 04:01:41 PM  

Dr Dreidel: There wasn't even a political motivation - this was "retribution" for a slight, not a "protest" seeking some reform or change.

// it's only terrorism because one of "them" did it


Honest question: Retribution for what slight? A 20 something male being a military cadet in the UK?

FTFA - "I apologise that women have had to witness this today, but in our land our women have to see the same. You people will never be safe. Remove your government, they don't care about you."

Seems pretty political to me.

Also FTFA - "According to senior Whitehall sources the people carrying out the attack were heard to say: "Allahu Akbar [God is Great]."

That's been fairly common vernacular among terrorists for a long time.
 
2013-05-22 04:01:44 PM  

James!: shiat, how did I not immediately go for the Highlander angle.

StrikitRich: I'm sure mere bullets won't stop The Kurgan

You farking win, sir.


Bows.  Thanks for the TF
 
2013-05-22 04:02:40 PM  
Don't worry people, Great Britain has already mobilized these guys.
 
2013-05-22 04:03:01 PM  

lockers: Joe Blowme: lockers: From the brilliant analysis: "The case for this being a jihadist attack, following the ideology of al-Qaeda, is compelling - even if the police won't yet say so officially."

I like how lone nutjob is now equivalent to insidious terrorist plot. I guess when you have a permanent war on an imagined political phantom, every minor crime must be part of it to encourage it's maintenance. I see the same shiat on the local news and refuse to accept this as terrorism at all.

[www.vote29.com image 580x357]

And yet just last year two buddies drove around my city, shooting and stabbing black people who were well known racists by there friends and family. But it's only terrorism when muslims do it?  Your beyond a stupid douche.


u mad bro? Truth hurts sometimes.
/so are you a member of teh death cult or just a dhimmi?
 
2013-05-22 04:03:02 PM  

dittybopper: fireclown: dittybopper: Yes, too smart and too decent. Right. Followed UK politics at all? Ever watched Prime Minister's Questions?

I know that a lot of brit politicians consider PM questions to be a waste of the PMs time in that he or she has to spend hours prepping, but I would LOVE to see it instituted here in the US.

I actually like the idea myself.  It just seems so AMERICAN to hurl hostile questions at the head of the government.


It would never work for the same reason our presidential debates are awful: pivot.
 
2013-05-22 04:03:43 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Religion of Peace


Aren't they all?
 
2013-05-22 04:05:00 PM  

Lady Indica: I've seen one person beheaded on video. If you've not seen something like that, I STRONGLY urge you NOT to watch it. Not ever.

You'll live your whole life happier not seeing or hearing it. Please, just trust me on that one.

As to what happened...just holy fark. 0_0


I watched Nicholas Berg get beheaded almost ten years ago and I can never unsee it. I had nightmares for days and to this day it still creeps me out.

I actually work with one of his friends and he says just thinking of what happened to him gives him severe anxiety. We talked about it very briefly but I noticed how upset he got and that was that.
 
2013-05-22 04:05:16 PM  

jst3p: dittybopper: fireclown: dittybopper: Yes, too smart and too decent. Right. Followed UK politics at all? Ever watched Prime Minister's Questions?

I know that a lot of brit politicians consider PM questions to be a waste of the PMs time in that he or she has to spend hours prepping, but I would LOVE to see it instituted here in the US.

I actually like the idea myself.  It just seems so AMERICAN to hurl hostile questions at the head of the government.

It would never work for the same reason our presidential debates are awful: pivot.


One could argue it doesn't work in the UK.  Still, it's a neat idea.  At the very least, it helps hold feet to the fire.
 
2013-05-22 04:05:31 PM  

olithon20: As a Brit, I say that while this is a terrible incident, it doesn't really make me think "Oh god, Terrorists!'.


Terrorism is a word.  Words have meaning.  The word terrorism has a meaning.
ter·ror·ism[ter-uh-riz-uh] Show IPA noun
1.the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.


We agree this was violence, right?  Good, that's half of the definition right there.  Now what was the purpose of this violence?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=EROXP8JDG9M# !

This may or may not be NSFW.  It's not really that bad but tastes may vary, so you were warned.  He's talking about the government.  Seems to me he has a political purpose.  I don't think it's wrong to use the word "terrorism" here.  Perhaps since it's only one guy dead and an isolated incident, you believe it's pretty ineffective terrorism.  But it is still terrorism.
 
2013-05-22 04:05:47 PM  
WHERE'S YOUR DOCTOR WHO NOW?
 
2013-05-22 04:06:22 PM  
at the moment we have nothing to go on, but it's likely something, or someone, radicalized them.
 
2013-05-22 04:07:07 PM  

lockers: From the brilliant analysis: "The case for this being a jihadist attack, following the ideology of al-Qaeda, is compelling - even if the police won't yet say so officially."

I like how lone nutjob is now equivalent to insidious terrorist plot. I guess when you have a permanent war on an imagined political phantom, every minor crime must be part of it to encourage it's maintenance. I see the same shiat on the local news and refuse to accept this as terrorism at all.


Well, since the killers shouted "Allahu Akbar", you can confidently surmise that it was a terrorist nutjob.
 
2013-05-22 04:07:38 PM  
Well.... every time the civilized world almost gets tired enough of the war on terror to give it up, something like this happens. Hope these backward savages enjoy using a snow shovel to clean their children out of the donkey pen because our drones NEVER get tired.
 
GBB
2013-05-22 04:08:17 PM  

TheGogmagog: GBB: YoOjo: From Twitter user Boya Dee -

 'Ohhhhh myyyy God!!!! I just see a man with his head chopped off right in front of my eyes!

'Oh my God!!!! The way Feds took them out!!! It was a female police officer she come out the whip and just started bussssin shots!!

'Mate ive seen alot of s*** im my time but that has to rank sumwhere in the top 3. I couldnt believe my eyes. That was some movie s***.'

The two black bredas run this white guy over over then hop out the car and start chopping mans head off with machete!!

'People were asking whyyy whyyy they were just saying we've had enough! They looked like they were on sutn! Then they start waving a recolver

'Then boydem turn up!! Woolwich feds didnt want it... They had to wait for armed response.. Helicopters everyting...

'Then thats how u know they were on sutn cos they actually went for armed feds with just two machete and an old rusty lookin revolver

'The first guy goes for the female fed with the machete and she not even ramping she took man out like robocop never seen nutn like it

'Then the next breda try buss off the rusty 45 and it just backfires and blows mans finger clean off... Feds didnt pet to just take him out!!

'These times i was just going to the shop for some fruit and veg and i see all that!'

[t0.gstatic.com image 299x168]

WTF did I just read?


upload.wikimedia.org

Breda, I have no clue.
 
2013-05-22 04:08:18 PM  

Katolu: AirForceVet: Fade2black: Nothing to be outraged about here, Liberals. He wasn't white and he didn't use a gun.

Crawl back under your rock.

No shiat, what a dick.


Did I hit a nerve, or hit too close to home?

Wait, wait, here's where I pretend I'm smarmy and say something like "well if he'd had a gun, he'd still be alive, or something along your only joke-of-talking-point.

/it's ok when you guys troll, though.
 
2013-05-22 04:08:52 PM  

olithon20: As a Brit, I say that while this is a terrible incident, it doesn't really make me think "Oh god, Terrorists!'.

So a couple of complete nutters killed a poor guy and were stupid enough to hang around ranting and raving about it until they got taken down by the police. It's a shame, but it happens. Crazy is crazy, whatever flavour it comes in. They'll be punished in due course, and my deepest sympathies to the family, but otherwise, it's just one of those things. The media seem to be getting rather too excitable about it all, simply due to the supposed terrorism angle.

If there is a sudden rash of attacks, on military personnel or otherwise, I might be somewhat concerned, but otherwise, hey, crazy is crazy.


Ned Stark: soldier

Not terrorism.


Except that they were religious zealots making political statements, threatening future violence, and demanding as much media coverage as they could get... other than that, totally not terrorists.
Oh, and he wasn't a soldier, he was a cadet.

DO YOU WANT TO KNOW MORE?
 
2013-05-22 04:09:15 PM  

YoOjo: From Twitter user Boya Dee -

 'Ohhhhh myyyy God!!!! I just see a man with his head chopped off right in front of my eyes!

'Oh my God!!!! The way Feds took them out!!! It was a female police officer she come out the whip and just started bussssin shots!!

'Mate ive seen alot of s*** im my time but that has to rank sumwhere in the top 3. I couldnt believe my eyes. That was some movie s***.'

The two black bredas run this white guy over over then hop out the car and start chopping mans head off with machete!!

'People were asking whyyy whyyy they were just saying we've had enough! They looked like they were on sutn! Then they start waving a recolver

'Then boydem turn up!! Woolwich feds didnt want it... They had to wait for armed response.. Helicopters everyting...

'Then thats how u know they were on sutn cos they actually went for armed feds with just two machete and an old rusty lookin revolver

'The first guy goes for the female fed with the machete and she not even ramping she took man out like robocop never seen nutn like it

'Then the next breda try buss off the rusty 45 and it just backfires and blows mans finger clean off... Feds didnt pet to just take him out!!

'These times i was just going to the shop for some fruit and veg and i see all that!'


Anyway don't listen to her coz everyone knows her fanny goes sideways.

i224.photobucket.com
 
2013-05-22 04:09:25 PM  

Mimic_Octopus: Lady Indica: I've seen one person beheaded on video. If you've not seen something like that, I STRONGLY urge you NOT to watch it. Not ever.

You'll live your whole life happier not seeing or hearing it. Please, just trust me on that one.

As to what happened...just holy fark. 0_0

gotta link to the video that scarred you for life ?


Didn't scar me for life but then again it wasn't a spider. I've seen worse. But it's a pretty awful thing, much worse than most people expect. And if you're a fan of gore (not judging, not my thing) you've probably seen it. It was the Russian solider decapitated with a knife. Very up close, very graphic, with full audio. Again, not judging but I personally don't see any redeeming value in such content being available. Always hope the family never sees it. =\
 
2013-05-22 04:09:31 PM  

jst3p: dittybopper: fireclown: dittybopper: Yes, too smart and too decent. Right. Followed UK politics at all? Ever watched Prime Minister's Questions?

I know that a lot of brit politicians consider PM questions to be a waste of the PMs time in that he or she has to spend hours prepping, but I would LOVE to see it instituted here in the US.

I actually like the idea myself.  It just seems so AMERICAN to hurl hostile questions at the head of the government.

It would never work for the same reason our presidential debates are awful: pivot.


Pivot?  I don't get it.

I would like to see some kind of system in place to keep everyone on topic, however.  I have long proposed that my Grand Ma-Ma be allowed to sit in for presidential debates.  If a candidate would be asked a question and answer a completely different question, she would get to give them a slapping.
 
2013-05-22 04:10:25 PM  
A note to all the fark racists: two people do not represent more than a million followers, and it's not fair to judge an entire faith based on two people. Do McVeigh or abortion clinic bombers represent all christians? No.

The victims in the long run will of course be immigrants as racist, right-wing parties like UKIP try to use this excuse to clamp down on immigration.
 
2013-05-22 04:10:25 PM  

dittybopper: One could argue it doesn't work in the UK. Still, it's a neat idea. At the very least, it helps hold feet to the fire.


Better yet, it forces a PM to have a pretty solid understanding of a wide range of current events.
 
2013-05-22 04:12:56 PM  

fireclown: Wow.  When I read the headline, I thought that this was some kind of charity pig roast or something.  This is simply awful.  Best wishes to all involved.


Um, including the asshat's with the machetes?  Poor platitude placement.
 
2013-05-22 04:13:34 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-05-22 04:13:42 PM  

Lady Indica: Mimic_Octopus: Lady Indica: I've seen one person beheaded on video. If you've not seen something like that, I STRONGLY urge you NOT to watch it. Not ever.

You'll live your whole life happier not seeing or hearing it. Please, just trust me on that one.

As to what happened...just holy fark. 0_0

gotta link to the video that scarred you for life ?

Didn't scar me for life but then again it wasn't a spider. I've seen worse. But it's a pretty awful thing, much worse than most people expect. And if you're a fan of gore (not judging, not my thing) you've probably seen it. It was the Russian solider decapitated with a knife. Very up close, very graphic, with full audio. Again, not judging but I personally don't see any redeeming value in such content being available. Always hope the family never sees it. =\


I think I've seen it, the audio is what got me not so much the visual. About ten years ago or so that made its rounds?
 
2013-05-22 04:13:42 PM  

lennavan: olithon20: As a Brit, I say that while this is a terrible incident, it doesn't really make me think "Oh god, Terrorists!'.

Terrorism is a word.  Words have meaning.  The word terrorism has a meaning.
ter·ror·ism[ter-uh-riz-uh] Show IPA noun
1.the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.

We agree this was violence, right?  Good, that's half of the definition right there.  Now what was the purpose of this violence?


Ok, so perhaps I was a little vague in my response. For which I apologise.

I will concede that this act would likely fit the bill for the definition of 'terrorism'. At the end of the day, any violent act committed could probably be argued to be an act of terrorism. And I wouldn't doubt that the people involved felt some form of ideological motivation to commit this act.

However, I don't really feel like this is much more than some act of some rather troubled people. I don't see this (and I really hope that I am correct) as some big Terrorist plot, but simply some very angry men committing a violent, isolated act. Sadly, this sort of thing happens. Sometimes it's due to a misguided religious fervor, sometimes it's because the voices in thier head told them so. Sometimes both.

Again, while I deplore the act committed here today, I don't think it's worth getting too concerned over in the long term, unless it turns out to be some part of a greater plan, which right now I feel is unlikely.
 
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