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(Daily Mail)   Teenager taken to court for hacking in to a friends computer and taking her savings. FARK: Her virtual savings on RuneScape   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 73
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2013-05-22 12:28:06 PM  
"He effectively decimated the credits Miss Jenkins had built up over the previous six years."

Well, at least he let her keep 90% of it.

/ I wonder if the people he gave the credits to will be charged with receiving stolen property.
 
2013-05-22 12:39:51 PM  
These legal proceedings should have been in a virtual courtroom, then.

/Good farking grief.
 
2013-05-22 01:18:34 PM  
Belmont, of Swansea, admitted an offence under the Computer Misuse Act 1990 of gaining unauthorised access to a computer and making unauthorised modifications to computer material.

That seems like a reasonable charge.
 
2013-05-22 01:22:03 PM  
I think you can argue that they have a "tangible" worth though......

http://www.gamerluck.com/Exchange-runescape-money-to-runescape-membe r- on-gamerluck-com-news-88-html

If someone is willing to actually give you cash for it, then , it has value.
 
2013-05-22 02:02:58 PM  
Miss Jenkins

Any relation to Leeroy?
 
2013-05-22 02:03:00 PM  
Regardless of what has "taken" it is still computer hacking.
 
2013-05-22 02:03:17 PM  
I hope the Everquest police don't catch up with me
 
2013-05-22 02:03:21 PM  
Whereby "hacking in to a friends computer" you mean "logged in to her online account using the password she gave him?"  Yeah, what a l33t h4ck3r.

/no i dnrfta
 
2013-05-22 02:04:44 PM  
This happened to Sheldon.
 
2013-05-22 02:05:32 PM  
What is "computer material" exactly? Technically, I think it's mostly plastic, silicon and metal so this doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

And I thought everyone played WoW now anyways?

/recently went back to WoW for kicks
//the bastards sent me a code for a free week
///pure genius on their part
 
2013-05-22 02:06:06 PM  
Man the people who got screwed over by Phaser over in EVE are gonna be happy to hear this
 
2013-05-22 02:10:22 PM  
Any sociologists out there care to explain why these kids all look like Eminem?
 
2013-05-22 02:10:56 PM  
This will make an excellent Judge Judy
 
2013-05-22 02:13:02 PM  
As a recovering WoW addict Im glad my shiat never got hacked.
 
2013-05-22 02:14:44 PM  
As someone who made a considerable amount of money ( 20 K + ) from this game, I can state that the currency does have real value.
 
2013-05-22 02:14:46 PM  

Agnes Gonxha's Confidant: Any sociologists out there care to explain why these kids all look like Eminem?


I think he rapped about it. Something about "a million motherfarkers who look just lol me". Eminem, Today's Nostrodomus.
 
2013-05-22 02:15:55 PM  

Agnes Gonxha's Confidant: Any sociologists out there care to explain why these kids all look like Eminem?


I think he rapped about it. Something about "a million motherfarkers who look just like me". Eminem, Today's Nostrodomus.
 
2013-05-22 02:15:57 PM  

Damn you Todd Zarnecky!!!


images.wikia.com

 
2013-05-22 02:16:20 PM  

Sybarite: Belmont, of Swansea, admitted an offence under the Computer Misuse Act 1990 of gaining unauthorised access to a computer and making unauthorised modifications to computer material.

That seems like a reasonable charge.


Yeah, if they are really "friends" it is stupid it got as far as the police/court, but there is no "friends can't commit crimes against friends" clause in criminal law, so the police/courts are just doing their jobs and prosecuting theft as they should. Pretending virtual currencies don't have value would be the same as ignoring crimes because the thing stolen was bitcoins, or gold ETFs, or rare stamps, or baseball cards just because some people think it is silly to consider those things to be "valuable".
 
2013-05-22 02:16:31 PM  
*pffft!* HA! Online role-playing games are for losers!

/ *ahem* As long as we agree that 'World of Tanks' is not techincally an RPG *ahem*
 
2013-05-22 02:18:35 PM  

Oldiron_79: As a recovering WoW addict Im glad my shiat never got hacked.


Heh, a buddy got hacked in WoW...he logged in and found his character nekkid.

Except, the hacker had been using him as a mule, and had either forgotten, or hadn't finished in time; the character's backpack was full of high-end stuff MUCH more valuable than what he'd lost...

/same buddy was also pulling down about minimum wage selling Diablo II items when he was between jobs
 
2013-05-22 02:18:39 PM  

listernine: Agnes Gonxha's Confidant: Any sociologists out there care to explain why these kids all look like Eminem?

I think he rapped about it. Something about "a million motherfarkers who look just like me". Eminem, Today's Nostrodomus.


Lay off the coffee
 
2013-05-22 02:23:08 PM  
I will do anything for Facebook credits.
 
2013-05-22 02:25:59 PM  

Agnes Gonxha's Confidant: Any sociologists out there care to explain why these kids all look like Eminem?


I think he rapped about it. Something about "a million motherfarkers who look just like me". Eminem, Today's Nostrodomus.
 
2013-05-22 02:28:01 PM  
At least he has chicken.
 
2013-05-22 02:29:37 PM  
If anyone on Eve Online has a shipful of plex they want to sell me, let me know. Just show up in a unarmed cargo ship at the cordinates I give you. Come alone.
 
2013-05-22 02:32:49 PM  

dletter: I think you can argue that they have a "tangible" worth though......

http://www.gamerluck.com/Exchange-runescape-money-to-runescape-membe r- on-gamerluck-com-news-88-html

If someone is willing to actually give you cash for it, then , it has value.


It also represents effort expended by the victim. I have no problem with this going to court.
 
2013-05-22 02:32:53 PM  
i.dailymail.co.uk

lol, that's a keeper
 
2013-05-22 02:33:56 PM  

Agnes Gonxha's Confidant: listernine: Agnes Gonxha's Confidant: Any sociologists out there care to explain why these kids all look like Eminem?

I think he rapped about it. Something about "a million motherfarkers who look just like me". Eminem, Today's Nostrodomus.

Lay off the coffee


Uh. I'm blaming it on my phone.
 
2013-05-22 02:36:20 PM  

IdBeCrazyIf: Man the people who got screwed over by Phaser over in EVE are gonna be happy to hear this


Except Phaser Inc. never gained unauthorized access to anybody's computer so it's completely different from this case?
 
2013-05-22 02:37:51 PM  

dletter: I think you can argue that they have a "tangible" worth though......

http://www.gamerluck.com/Exchange-runescape-money-to-runescape-membe r- on-gamerluck-com-news-88-html

If someone is willing to actually give you cash for it, then , it has value.


Financial Crimes Enforcement Network ("FinCEN"), our wonderful Gov't at work, has now stated unequivocally if you can sell a virtual currency for real currency, IT HAS VALUE and any business involved in the buying and selling has to comply with anti-fraud/money laundering regs.

http://www.fincen.gov/statutes_regs/guidance/html/FIN-2013-G001.html
 
2013-05-22 02:41:33 PM  

ObscureNameHere: *pffft!* HA! Online role-playing games are for losers!

/ *ahem* As long as we agree that 'World of Tanks' is not techincally an RPG *ahem*


Hate to break it to you, but it sure ain't a simulation...it IS entertaining, though, I'll give it that.

If you want realistic WWII combined arms action, try Battleground Europe; you'll have to pay $15/month, and you'll throw your joystick across the room after you maneuver your slow-ass Char B for twenty minutes, being passed on the upslopes by infantry on foot, only to get taken out by an 88 you can't even see...but it's worth it.
 
2013-05-22 02:42:24 PM  
FTFA -  was ordered to pay £16 compensation

Was that paid in real money or virtual money?

Also what's the point of saving up these credits (for 6 years - WTF) and apparently not using them??  Why even get them if you are not going to use them to your advantage in some way?
 
2013-05-22 02:44:12 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: dletter: I think you can argue that they have a "tangible" worth though......

http://www.gamerluck.com/Exchange-runescape-money-to-runescape-membe r- on-gamerluck-com-news-88-html

If someone is willing to actually give you cash for it, then , it has value.

It also represents effort expended by the victim. I have no problem with this going to court.


Yep. My grandpa's runescape account is in the top 5,000 or so, and has billions in items and gold. It's worth a considerable amount of money.

I'd say someone stealing it is roughly the equivalent of stealing a used car.
 
2013-05-22 02:46:01 PM  

dletter: I think you can argue that they have a "tangible" worth though......

http://www.gamerluck.com/Exchange-runescape-money-to-runescape-membe r- on-gamerluck-com-news-88-html

If someone is willing to actually give you cash for it, then , it has value.


That page is what we call "keyword rich."
www.nextmovie.com
So how did you find it exactly?
 
2013-05-22 02:47:32 PM  
Real-world time was spent accruing these virtual goods and real-world time has value.   That is what should have been the basis for damages.
 
2013-05-22 02:56:57 PM  

Saners: Except Phaser Inc. never gained unauthorized access to anybody's computer so it's completely different from this case?


True, but the joke was a piss poor attempt at making fun of people who ascribe a dollars value to digital stuff

I'm off my game today
 
2013-05-22 02:58:15 PM  
Holy shiat.

People STILL play Runescape?

/Recovering WOW addict.
 
2013-05-22 02:58:18 PM  
Runescape credits are just a bunch of pixels. Just like a $100 bill is just a piece of paper.
 
2013-05-22 02:58:55 PM  
Oh man, Runescape. That brings back some memories. I'm sorta surprised it's still around. I got really into it maybe...10 or so years ago?
 
2013-05-22 03:02:00 PM  

hardinparamedic: Holy shiat.

People STILL play Runescape?

/Recovering WOW addict.


Think of Runescape as the poor mans WoW.
With better documentation.
and more player help available on der web.

Okay, WoW has far better graphics....but still, I was tearing my hair out trying to find ANY kind of help file or hints on exactly HOW TO DO THIS!!!
 
2013-05-22 03:03:01 PM  
I'd love to be the judge on that case.
I find you BOTH guilty of being shallow and slovenly.
I sentence you BOTH to go outside and play, and get some fresh air.
/Farrking kids.
 
2013-05-22 03:03:25 PM  

johnson442: Runescape credits are just a bunch of pixels. Just like a $100 bill is just a piece of paper.

karellen: Real-world time was spent accruing these virtual goods and real-world time has value.

Coolfusis: Yep. My grandpa's runescape account is in the top 5,000 or so, and has billions in items and gold. It's worth a considerable amount of money.

xria: Pretending virtual currencies don't have value


So what you all are saying is virtual currency does have value, as do the items being bought/sold in game?  That's fine but have you thought your cunning plan all the way through?  Are you okay with the IRS taxing Runescape/WoW/virtual purchases?
 
2013-05-22 03:07:32 PM  

johnson442: hardinparamedic: Holy shiat.

People STILL play Runescape?

/Recovering WOW addict.

Think of Runescape as the poor mans WoW.
With better documentation.
and more player help available on der web.

Okay, WoW has far better graphics....but still, I was tearing my hair out trying to find ANY kind of help file or hints on exactly HOW TO DO THIS!!!



Saying RuneScape is poor man's WOW is like saying dog food is a poor man's steak.
 
2013-05-22 03:10:19 PM  

abfalter: Saying RuneScape is poor man's WOW is like saying dog food is a poor man's steak.


NO DOG FOOD FOR VICTOR TONIGHT!

images2.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-05-22 03:15:43 PM  

karellen: Real-world time was spent accruing these virtual goods and real-world time has value.   That is what should have been the basis for damages.


That's kinda my thoughts on the matter. That doesn't make it valuable in the eyes of the law, but stealing/destroying the stuff is still a dick move. Your opinion of the worth of virtual stuff doesn't lessen the time and effort a person goes through to attain it, and doesn't give you the right to make it go away.
 
2013-05-22 03:19:06 PM  

serial_crusher: "He effectively decimated the credits Miss Jenkins had built up over the previous six years."

Well, at least he let her keep 90% of it.

/ I wonder if the people he gave the credits to will be charged with receiving stolen property.


Thank you... Thank you...  I am so sick of hearing 'decimated' used as a synonym of eradicated/obliterated/annihilated.  Especially on the news.  "The entire African village was decimated".  Guess they got lucky.
 
2013-05-22 03:19:22 PM  

lennavan: johnson442: Runescape credits are just a bunch of pixels. Just like a $100 bill is just a piece of paper.
karellen: Real-world time was spent accruing these virtual goods and real-world time has value.
Coolfusis: Yep. My grandpa's runescape account is in the top 5,000 or so, and has billions in items and gold. It's worth a considerable amount of money.
xria: Pretending virtual currencies don't have value

So what you all are saying is virtual currency does have value, as do the items being bought/sold in game?  That's fine but have you thought your cunning plan all the way through?  Are you okay with the IRS taxing Runescape/WoW/virtual purchases?


I don't think they would.  If I trade you a cow for an apple tree, does the IRS tax this exchange (I don't think so, but am not certain)?  The concept is the same here, they're not trading dollars, but things that are worth dollars.  When real dollars are used to pay for some virtual content, yes I expect the IRS to demand its share.  I assume they tax Steam purchases, cable subscriptions, etc.
 
2013-05-22 03:21:20 PM  

PunGent: ObscureNameHere: *pffft!* HA! Online role-playing games are for losers!

/ *ahem* As long as we agree that 'World of Tanks' is not techincally an RPG *ahem*

Hate to break it to you, but it sure ain't a simulation...it IS entertaining, though, I'll give it that.

If you want realistic WWII combined arms action, try Battleground Europe; you'll have to pay $15/month, and you'll throw your joystick across the room after you maneuver your slow-ass Char B for twenty minutes, being passed on the upslopes by infantry on foot, only to get taken out by an 88 you can't even see...but it's worth it.


Thanks for the tip, but I'll stick with WoT.   I like free (even though I did spend a whole $7 real dollars to buy some Gold when they had a big sale a few weeks back).

The funny thing is, I get that same rage at 'invisible kills' in WoT.  Especially if you've been tagged by artillery and didn't know it.    "Hmm.. I'm hiding by a house, behind a bush, good lane of fire, I think I am.... *CLANG* 'Bail out! This tank is finished'  Aw... FFS!"
 
2013-05-22 03:23:20 PM  

sunami: lennavan: johnson442: Runescape credits are just a bunch of pixels. Just like a $100 bill is just a piece of paper.
karellen: Real-world time was spent accruing these virtual goods and real-world time has value.
Coolfusis: Yep. My grandpa's runescape account is in the top 5,000 or so, and has billions in items and gold. It's worth a considerable amount of money.
xria: Pretending virtual currencies don't have value

So what you all are saying is virtual currency does have value, as do the items being bought/sold in game?  That's fine but have you thought your cunning plan all the way through?  Are you okay with the IRS taxing Runescape/WoW/virtual purchases?

I don't think they would.  If I trade you a cow for an apple tree, does the IRS tax this exchange (I don't think so, but am not certain)?  The concept is the same here, they're not trading dollars, but things that are worth dollars.  When real dollars are used to pay for some virtual content, yes I expect the IRS to demand its share.  I assume they tax Steam purchases, cable subscriptions, etc.


Of course the IRS taxes barter  :)

http://www.irs.gov/taxtopics/tc420.html

I actually learned this on Northern Exposure, so don't tell ME tv isn't educational
 
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