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(Pro Football Talk)   In order to make Pro Bowl more exciting, NFL may offer cash incentives to players for individual performance and making big plays during the game. Like a bounty, one might say   (profootballtalk.nbcsports.com) divider line 54
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2013-05-22 10:03:22 AM
Hypocrisy, thy name is Roger Goodell. :-(
 
2013-05-22 01:26:31 PM
In order to make Pro Bowl more exciting

impossible
 
2013-05-22 01:28:36 PM
The pro bowl sucks worse than all other all star events combined. They all suck and i can't believe the hype surrounding them. I'd rather watch Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter get it....nm wrong thread
 
2013-05-22 01:29:57 PM
The last time something interesting happened at the pro bowl was when Sean Taylor laid out that poor punter a yard shy of the first down on a fake punt.
 
2013-05-22 01:36:08 PM

facisto: The last time something interesting happened at the pro bowl was when Sean Taylor laid out that poor punter a yard shy of the first down on a fake punt.


The punter took it real personal.
 
2013-05-22 01:38:48 PM
Pfff...Bounty.

Lets just say there is an amount of cash.  For math purposes we call this amount 100k, that sits in a pool.

Every offensive point your opponent scores reduces this number the equivalent number while every defensive point scored increases it.

At the end of the game, the number remaining is how much money the NFL owners pay to a charity of my choice while the difference is paid by the NFL players directly to me.

And since it seems that nobody ever wants to give me money for nothing, I expect the defenses to absolutely dominate and finally provide some exciting plays and low score games instead of the basketball scores we regularly see now.

I call this the "Allsar supports charities Pro-Bowl".
 
2013-05-22 01:43:07 PM
Turn the Pro-Bowl into 7v7 with no pads and contact rules.  I want to see what Calvin Johnson is capable of without the extra weight of his gear.  Beyond that do a young stars game and a skills competition.  You're never going to get any kind of serious contact of your All-Stars, because even a bounty isn't going to offset the risk of ending your career early and losing millions of dollars in bonuses and contracts.  Just embrace that fact and find a different way to display the athleticism of the players.
 
2013-05-22 01:51:35 PM
There's an intensity to an actual football game...like, one that actually counts in the standings and stuff...that simply will never translate into any variant of a post-season all-star game. Period. The fact the Pro Bowl comes after watching playoff games where sh*t gets even MORE intense makes the comparison even more laughable.

I'd rather spend a Sunday afternoon artificially inseminating livestock than watch the Pro Bowl.
 
2013-05-22 01:53:10 PM

ha-ha-guy: Turn the Pro-Bowl into 7v7 with no pads and contact rules.  I want to see what Calvin Johnson is capable of without the extra weight of his gear.  Beyond that do a young stars game and a skills competition.  You're never going to get any kind of serious contact of your All-Stars, because even a bounty isn't going to offset the risk of ending your career early and losing millions of dollars in bonuses and contracts.  Just embrace that fact and find a different way to display the athleticism of the players.


They used to have a skills competition.  I remember watching accuracy contests with the QBs, sprints with the RBs, and so on.  They were actually somewhat entertaining to watch.

\Dave Krieg, who knew you were so accurate?
 
2013-05-22 01:53:23 PM
Lose the actual game and make it a skills competition weekend.  QB accuracy, fastest man, strongest man, etc.  A much more interesting product to watch, individual skills are highlighted (with bragging rights on the line for players and fans) an nobody risks any serious injury.
 
2013-05-22 01:53:41 PM

Killer Cars: There's an intensity to an actual football game


Yeah.  The reality is if say you played the Pro Bowl and then right after it you played a game of entirely unsigned free agents, the latter game would be better since those guys would at least be trying to catch the eye of some scout.
 
2013-05-22 01:54:40 PM

Killer Cars: There's an intensity to an actual football game...like, one that actually counts in the standings and stuff...that simply will never translate into any variant of a post-season all-star game. Period. The fact the Pro Bowl comes after watching playoff games where sh*t gets even MORE intense makes the comparison even more laughable.

I'd rather spend a Sunday afternoon artificially inseminating livestock than watch the Pro Bowl.


Real men inseminate livestock naturally.
 
2013-05-22 01:57:36 PM
The NFL should take a cue from baseball and let the winning conference of the Pro Bowl host the Super Bowl.  Of course, for the NFL, you'll want to let them host the Super Bowl for the next season.
 
2013-05-22 01:58:14 PM
The fact they have to hold it in Hawaii so the players will even show up is telling how much this means to the players.
/they still hold it in Hawaii right?
//I said 'players' twice
 
2013-05-22 01:59:52 PM
Everyone knows what the issue is with the Pro bowl... it is that, unlike any other sport, so much of what makes football is hard contact, that when you pull that out of the game as they do in the pro bowl because it is a game that doesn't "count", the league (ie, the teams) put in rules to protect their investments (the players), the players purposefully as well don't go full throttle because they are protecting their own self-interest.    About the closest thing to that is hockey, but, with hockey the fighting/hard hits is probably about 10-20% of the sport... the majority of the sport is skating, puck, and shooting/goalie skills.   With football, you take away the ability to hit at full speed, you are taking away a major part of the game.

Although I do find it interesting that, baseball is really the only sport where showing off defense in the ASG is seen as a "positive"... the other three sports, basically they make it so it is an offensive showcase... NBA ASG is always scoring way over league averages... an NHL ASG is usually like 11-8.... Pro Bowls are generally 49-35 games.   With baseball, the pitchers pitching still want to get the other team out, so, just the nature of the game I think, encourages trying to keep the scores low.

So, given that, since they have neutered the game so much as it is, adding things like "TD reception=$20k", "TD throw=$25k", "Sack = $10k", etc at the Pro Bowl seems like... why not.   The only thing I see against that is, now guys will want to be in the game more, and if they get sat down, they'll complain about it, blame the coach, etc.  Not sure how they'll get around that.   Honestly, if they really want it to be a gameshow, they'd just trash the Pro Bowl as a game and make it a skills competition.

Still have it as NFC vs. AFC, but, have a competition for every position that can equally gain the same max points to a final score.  For positions where they bring more than 1 player, all the players compete, and maybe only the top 1-2 scores for each team count towards the "Conference" scores:
QB - Throwing accuracy
RB - Running/Obsticle Course
TE - Blocking/Catching combination
WR/DB - Head to head Route/Catching vs. coverage competition
OL/DL - Some sort of Head to head competition
LB - Pass rushing
K - FG kicking
P - Punt Distance/Accuracy (Coffin Corners, etc).
KR - Speed/Route Course (simulating a developing KO return).
 
2013-05-22 02:01:50 PM

lennavan: The NFL should take a cue from baseball and let the winning conference of the Pro Bowl host the Super Bowl.  Of course, for the NFL, you'll want to let them host the Super Bowl for the next season.


Actually, considering it is the week before the Pro Bowl, I thought maybe they get rid of the coin flip before the Super Bowl, and the conference that wins the Pro Bowl "wins" the Coin Flip right at the Super Bowl.
 
2013-05-22 02:09:25 PM

Wadded Beef: Lose the actual game and make it a skills competition weekend.  QB accuracy, fastest man, strongest man, etc.  A much more interesting product to watch, individual skills are highlighted (with bragging rights on the line for players and fans) an nobody risks any serious injury.


I want to see Nick Mangold race Vince Wilfork while they both push 500lb blocking sleds. Winner gets a pie.
 
2013-05-22 02:11:39 PM

dletter: lennavan: The NFL should take a cue from baseball and let the winning conference of the Pro Bowl host the Super Bowl.  Of course, for the NFL, you'll want to let them host the Super Bowl for the next season.

Actually, considering it is the week before the Pro Bowl, I thought maybe they get rid of the coin flip before the Super Bowl, and the conference that wins the Pro Bowl "wins" the Coin Flip right at the Super Bowl.


How would that motivate players to play harder?  Obviously if the players are in the Pro Bowl they aren't in the Super Bowl, so there's no incentive to play hard so that some team, that isn't their team, automatically wins a coin flip.
 
2013-05-22 02:14:26 PM
dletter:
Everyone knows what the issue is with the Pro bowl... it is that, unlike any other sport, so much of what makes football is hard contact, that when you pull that out of the game as they do in the pro bowl because it is a game that doesn't "count", the league (ie, the teams) put in rules to protect their investments (the players), the players purposefully as well don't go full throttle because they are protecting their own self-interest.    About the closest thing to that is hockey, but, with hockey the fighting/hard hits is probably about 10-20% of the sport... the majority of the sport is skating, puck, and shooting/goalie skills.   With football, you take away the ability to hit at full speed, you are taking away a major part of the game.

I would like to see a defenceman who was picked for the(NHL) allstar team to just go out and kick ass, deliver some good hits and you know, play defence, people might complain but hell, that's why he is there as an allstar, if he can't even play his position then why bother. That always bugged me.


/when was last fight in NHL allstar game..anybody...anybody
//couldn't get rid of the italics wtf
 
2013-05-22 02:16:12 PM

dletter: lennavan: The NFL should take a cue from baseball and let the winning conference of the Pro Bowl host the Super Bowl.  Of course, for the NFL, you'll want to let them host the Super Bowl for the next season.

Actually, considering it is the week before the Pro Bowl, I thought maybe they get rid of the coin flip before the Super Bowl, and the conference that wins the Pro Bowl "wins" the Coin Flip right at the Super Bowl.


That's not going to motivate a thing.  The players in the Pro Bowl aren't playing in the Super Bowl a week later.  However, many of them I imagine are hoping they'll be in the Super Bowl next year.  So whatever reward there is, has to be for the next year.  I can't imagine anyone risking injury over a farking coin flip.  But home field advantage?  That'd be nuts.  Not only the fans but the weather.  Can you imagine Aaron Rodgers playing for a chance at Lambeau hosting a Super Bowl in February?  And you know the coaches are gonna be calling less ridiculous plays and whatnot.
 
2013-05-22 02:24:06 PM

facisto: The last time something interesting happened at the pro bowl was when Sean Taylor laid out that poor punter a yard shy of the first down on a fake punt.


This was the first thing I thought of when I read the headline.
 
2013-05-22 02:25:10 PM

weirdneighbour: /when was last fight in NHL allstar game..anybody...anybody


http://www.greatesthockeylegends.com/2011/01/all-star-game-memories- al l-star-fight.html

Not surprisingly it involved Gordie Howe
 
2013-05-22 02:38:11 PM

dletter: Still have it as NFC vs. AFC, but, have a competition for every position that can equally gain the same max points to a final score. For positions where they bring more than 1 player, all the players compete, and maybe only the top 1-2 scores for each team count towards the "Conference" scores:
QB - Throwing accuracy
RB - Running/Obsticle Course
TE - Blocking/Catching combination
WR/DB - Head to head Route/Catching vs. coverage competition
OL/DL - Some sort of Head to head competition
LB - Pass rushing
K - FG kicking
P - Punt Distance/Accuracy (Coffin Corners, etc).
KR - Speed/Route Course (simulating a developing KO return).


I think that this would be the best method.   Maybe throw in some of the combine type activites like bench press and vertical leap. Show off the athletic talent in a relatively safe manner (there is no absolute safety because when your engaging in activity, the freak injury can always happen).  The only question is how do you select individuals for these various contests.  I would suggest a vote among players with a "fan selection" thrown in for each event as well.
 
2013-05-22 02:41:53 PM

lennavan: dletter: lennavan: The NFL should take a cue from baseball and let the winning conference of the Pro Bowl host the Super Bowl.  Of course, for the NFL, you'll want to let them host the Super Bowl for the next season.

Actually, considering it is the week before the Pro Bowl, I thought maybe they get rid of the coin flip before the Super Bowl, and the conference that wins the Pro Bowl "wins" the Coin Flip right at the Super Bowl.

That's not going to motivate a thing.  The players in the Pro Bowl aren't playing in the Super Bowl a week later.  However, many of them I imagine are hoping they'll be in the Super Bowl next year.  So whatever reward there is, has to be for the next year.  I can't imagine anyone risking injury over a farking coin flip.  But home field advantage?  That'd be nuts.  Not only the fans but the weather.  Can you imagine Aaron Rodgers playing for a chance at Lambeau hosting a Super Bowl in February?  And you know the coaches are gonna be calling less ridiculous plays and whatnot.


The problem is that some cities are not set up to host a Superbowl and never will be.
 
2013-05-22 02:45:52 PM
I'd like to buy a vowel.
 
2013-05-22 02:46:45 PM

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: lennavan: dletter: lennavan: The NFL should take a cue from baseball and let the winning conference of the Pro Bowl host the Super Bowl.  Of course, for the NFL, you'll want to let them host the Super Bowl for the next season.

Actually, considering it is the week before the Pro Bowl, I thought maybe they get rid of the coin flip before the Super Bowl, and the conference that wins the Pro Bowl "wins" the Coin Flip right at the Super Bowl.

That's not going to motivate a thing.  The players in the Pro Bowl aren't playing in the Super Bowl a week later.  However, many of them I imagine are hoping they'll be in the Super Bowl next year.  So whatever reward there is, has to be for the next year.  I can't imagine anyone risking injury over a farking coin flip.  But home field advantage?  That'd be nuts.  Not only the fans but the weather.  Can you imagine Aaron Rodgers playing for a chance at Lambeau hosting a Super Bowl in February?  And you know the coaches are gonna be calling less ridiculous plays and whatnot.

The problem is that some cities are not set up to host a Superbowl and never will be.



Translation: Some cities will not be able to make as much $$$ hosting the Super Bowl as other cities.

True enough.  My bad, sometimes in my sillier moments I forget the NFL is a business.
 
2013-05-22 02:50:19 PM

Jubeebee: I want to see Nick Mangold race Vince Wilfork while they both push 500lb blocking sleds. Winner gets a pie.


If we're talking about Vince Wilfork, I'd rather see a demonstration of his amazing cognitive powers. He sees and hears everything, you know.
 
2013-05-22 02:56:20 PM
 
2013-05-22 02:58:09 PM

PowerSlacker: Killer Cars: There's an intensity to an actual football game...like, one that actually counts in the standings and stuff...that simply will never translate into any variant of a post-season all-star game. Period. The fact the Pro Bowl comes after watching playoff games where sh*t gets even MORE intense makes the comparison even more laughable.

I'd rather spend a Sunday afternoon artificially inseminating livestock than watch the Pro Bowl.

Dallas Fans Real men inseminate livestock naturally manually.


FTFY
 
2013-05-22 03:00:08 PM

Jubeebee: I want to see Nick Mangold race Vince Wilfork while they both push 500lb blocking sleds. Winner gets a pie.


Why not make the pie eating part of it and make it a Tri-athalon.
 
2013-05-22 03:02:07 PM

xaks: PowerSlacker: Killer Cars: There's an intensity to an actual football game...like, one that actually counts in the standings and stuff...that simply will never translate into any variant of a post-season all-star game. Period. The fact the Pro Bowl comes after watching playoff games where sh*t gets even MORE intense makes the comparison even more laughable.

I'd rather spend a Sunday afternoon artificially inseminating livestock than watch the Pro Bowl

*can't you do both* chick
 
2013-05-22 03:03:16 PM

Captain Steroid: Hypocrisy, thy name is Roger Goodell. :-(


I forgot who said it, It may have been Gregg Lloyd, but all of those hits that the NFL fines players for end up being featured on the NFL highlight films that the NFL sells and give out as promotional items.
 
2013-05-22 03:05:06 PM
Replace the Pro Bowl with the Senior Bowl.  "Pro bowlers" get selected to go on a free Hawaiian vacation and hang out with future NFLers.  The kids play the actual game and get to hang with the pros.

/maybe this would also be the time to present league awards and whatnot
 
2013-05-22 03:06:44 PM
They should mix in high school players into the game, that would make it more interesting...


High school players, Areana League guys, CFL'ers, Lingerie League gals, Puppy Bowl dogs, Aussie Rules blokes...man, now that would be a game to watch!
 
2013-05-22 03:08:36 PM

dallylamma: They should mix in high school players into the game, that would make it more interesting...


High school players, Areana League guys, CFL'ers, Lingerie League gals, Puppy Bowl dogs, Aussie Rules blokes...man, now that would be a game to watch!


I have the weirdest boner right now.
 
2013-05-22 03:10:54 PM

PowerSlacker: dallylamma: They should mix in high school players into the game, that would make it more interesting...


High school players, Areana League guys, CFL'ers, Lingerie League gals, Puppy Bowl dogs, Aussie Rules blokes...man, now that would be a game to watch!

I have the weirdest boner right now.


Yes, those Aussies are manly blokes.
 
2013-05-22 03:12:57 PM

PowerSlacker: dallylamma: They should mix in high school players into the game, that would make it more interesting...


High school players, Areana League guys, CFL'ers, Lingerie League gals, Puppy Bowl dogs, Aussie Rules blokes...man, now that would be a game to watch!

I have the weirdest boner right now.


If it lasts for more than four hours...you're welcome.
 
2013-05-22 03:13:08 PM
Perhaps they could play flag football in sand. Surely no one would get hurt playing that.
 
2013-05-22 03:14:46 PM

Guelph35: weirdneighbour: /when was last fight in NHL allstar game..anybody...anybody

http://www.greatesthockeylegends.com/2011/01/all-star-game-memories- al l-star-fight.html

Not surprisingly it involved Gordie Howe


Not surprising, but just the one, I thought there would have been more. And I have that Gordie Howe card.
 
2013-05-22 03:16:06 PM

Krymson Tyde: Perhaps they could play flag football in sand. Surely no one would get hurt playing that.


1999 Rookie FF game in the sand, dude for the Pats tore his knee up so bad the initial thought was to amputate.
 
2013-05-22 03:29:36 PM

lennavan: Translation: Some cities will not be able to make as much $$$ hosting the Super Bowl as other cities.


Please tell me where Green Bay, Wisconsin is going to host 600,000 people.
 
2013-05-22 03:30:15 PM
How 'bout a variation on the 7-on-7 game where guys are forced to play out of position.

Vince Wilfork and Nick Mangold as linemen? We've seen that. Nick Mangold as a WR, against CB Chris Kluwe? Tell me people wouldn't tune in and watch that. It would be compelling TV.
 
2013-05-22 03:34:55 PM

Chupacabra Sandwich: lennavan: Translation: Some cities will not be able to make as much $$$ hosting the Super Bowl as other cities.

Please tell me where Green Bay, Wisconsin is going to host 600,000 people.


Either you went a little overboard with your zeros, or someone has no idea what a Super Bowl host city gets for visitors during the game week.
 
2013-05-22 03:35:41 PM

DoBeDoBeDo: Krymson Tyde: Perhaps they could play flag football in sand. Surely no one would get hurt playing that.

1999 Rookie FF game in the sand, dude for the Pats tore his knee up so bad the initial thought was to amputate.


i356.photobucket.com
 
2013-05-22 03:36:35 PM

Chupacabra Sandwich: lennavan: Translation: Some cities will not be able to make as much $$$ hosting the Super Bowl as other cities.

Please tell me where Green Bay, Wisconsin is going to host 600,000 people.


You don't need to host 600,000 people to host the Super Bowl.  You need to host 53 players and about 20 coaches per team and then a few referees.  It is fully possible to host a Super Bowl with zero spectators in the stands.  The rest is about money, like I said (bolded).
 
2013-05-22 04:36:57 PM
Skills competition.

Not sure how you'd do that for some positions, but bringing back the old QB club competition would be a fantastic start.
 
2013-05-22 05:33:41 PM
For the players who are worried about injuries, it can can happen anytime. Look at Crabtree today. Should they end OTA's? Practice in pads? The preseason?

Just make their salary guaranteed if they get injured. But maybe no salary cap implications to their team.
 
2013-05-22 06:04:23 PM
And what after that contract ends?

It is all about balance. Players are always at risk, but playing a live game is far more dangerous than any practice. And the ProBowl probably more so than most games as the players are unfamiliar with the teammates around them.

Football just does not work well with an allstar game. The violence in the game makes anything resembling a legitimate game very difficult to get players to commit to and the season structure leaves it at a terrible time. The three things I would do if they want to hold something:

1) Put it after the Superbowl, sure that has its issues but not having players on the best teams playing is a joke and nobody will accept it in the middle of the season.
2) Focus on a skills competition like the NHL. Make it a major draw, like the Slam Dunk contest and Home Run Derby (I know a lot of non-ball fans who watch the latter).
3) Have a "future stars" game with top prospects and maybe rookies playing. These are people with motivation to play and would likely be more interesting than the Pro-Bowl. And you get to see the stars do cool shiat in the skills competition.

Throwing in a big awards banquet at the end wouldn't hurt either.
 
2013-05-22 06:31:38 PM
1. Keep the game in Hawaii.
2. Do whatever the hell else you want with it.
 
2013-05-22 06:39:07 PM
they should just turn it into an exhibition like the dunk contest
 
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