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(Christian Post)   Jodi Arias feels betrayed by jury. And you know how she deals with betrayal   (christianpost.com) divider line 21
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2013-05-22 12:33:30 PM  
3 votes:
"Hoping they would see me for who I am"

Pretty sure they did.

Pretty sure we all have.
2013-05-22 10:31:35 AM  
3 votes:
Jodi Arias is a perfect example of a person that should never open her mouth in public. The first time the cops showed up at her door (or however it went down) she should have uttered one word, "lawyer" and then taken a vow of silence. Every time she talks she appears more crazy and more guilty than before.
2013-05-22 01:59:52 PM  
2 votes:

plcow: I understand that she murdered somebody, but who cares?


People care because murder is bad.
2013-05-22 12:35:39 PM  
2 votes:

plcow: Who is she and why is she all over the news? I understand that she murdered somebody, but who cares?  Is she a celebrity?


Because she's hot and crazy and gave up the backdoor and killed her boyfriend.

Any one of those isn't notable.  Two get a nod.  Three get noticed.  But when you collect all four of them, man, that's just a media circus!
2013-05-22 12:20:17 PM  
2 votes:
Shouldn't articles about America's favorite soap operas go in the Entertainment tab?
2013-05-23 03:44:09 PM  
1 votes:

bugontherug: gja: The My Little Pony Killer: bugontherug: While you may consider the intense emotional pain she would suffer awaiting her execution a good thing, I do not.

I don't see why you wouldn't.  She has had her entire life to deal with whatever emotional issues she has. She chose not only to not take care of herself, but to take her issues out on another person in the worst possible way.

I hope it hurts her every second of every day, and I don't think I'm a bad person for thinking so.

I will concur with you. I have no problem, even though my Christianity nags at me, my 'human being' parts scream 'let her suffer'.

What? A Christian rationalizing away why it's okay not to empathize with another human being? Why, I've never encountered that before.

"I was in prison, and you came to visit me... whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me."

"I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me... whatever you did not do for the least of these, you did not do for me."

Whatever you wish on Jodi Arias, you wish also on Christ.


Who was nothing more than another human being, like Arias.
2013-05-23 03:42:43 PM  
1 votes:

bugontherug: The My Little Pony Killer: bugontherug: While you may consider the intense emotional pain she would suffer awaiting her execution a good thing, I do not.

I don't see why you wouldn't.  She has had her entire life to deal with whatever emotional issues she has. She chose not only to not take care of herself, but to take her issues out on another person in the worst possible way.

She didn't think she was sick.

That word you used there; "chose." Which part of diminished ability to control emotions, diminished ability to foresee consequences, and diminished ability to control impulses don't you understand? If there is such a thing as free will at all, she had a seriously diminished version of it. And if there is a linkage between free will and moral responsibility, then she is, by virtue of her diminished self-control, less responsible for the things she does than are normal people. And if she is less responsible, she is less morally blameworthy.

I hope it hurts her every second of every day, and I don't think I'm a bad person for thinking so.

I wouldn't say you're a bad person. It does suggest an egocentric inability to see the world through another's eyes. But that's hard for most people to do.

Have you experienced life with a diminished ability to regulate your emotions, a diminished ability to foresee the consequences of your actions, and a diminished ability to control your responses to impulses? Have you endured the lifetime of emotional torture a BPD expert described as the emotional equivalent of 3rd degree burns over 90% of the body?

A startlingly high number of borderlines, about 10%, commit suicide. Higher suicidality than any other mental health diagnosis. This is a condition that hurts a lot all the time. I've read one doctor who said of BPD that as regards mental health, it means "everything that can go wrong has gone wrong."


Psychobabble. Excuse-ridden psychological bullshiat. The vast majorit don't believe in or give a rat's ass about any of that nonsense.

She murdered her boyfriend in a terrifying, cruel, excessive, and horrible manner. She needs to pay and pay and pay and pay. She needs to be locked up, totally alone, for many years so she can experience that hopelessness. Then, she needs to know that she is going to be killed, for several months at least, so she can experience that terror.

Then, justice will have been served.
gja [TotalFark]
2013-05-22 11:32:22 PM  
1 votes:

bugontherug: gja: The My Little Pony Killer: bugontherug: While you may consider the intense emotional pain she would suffer awaiting her execution a good thing, I do not.

I don't see why you wouldn't.  She has had her entire life to deal with whatever emotional issues she has. She chose not only to not take care of herself, but to take her issues out on another person in the worst possible way.

I hope it hurts her every second of every day, and I don't think I'm a bad person for thinking so.

I will concur with you. I have no problem, even though my Christianity nags at me, my 'human being' parts scream 'let her suffer'.

What? A Christian rationalizing away why it's okay not to empathize with another human being? Why, I've never encountered that before.

"I was in prison, and you came to visit me... whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me."

"I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me... whatever you did not do for the least of these, you did not do for me."

Whatever you wish on Jodi Arias, you wish also on Christ.


Can't agree with you on that. She ceased being any semblance of human or humane, so that vacates that covenant (imvho)
gja [TotalFark]
2013-05-22 10:20:44 PM  
1 votes:

The My Little Pony Killer: bugontherug: While you may consider the intense emotional pain she would suffer awaiting her execution a good thing, I do not.

I don't see why you wouldn't.  She has had her entire life to deal with whatever emotional issues she has. She chose not only to not take care of herself, but to take her issues out on another person in the worst possible way.

I hope it hurts her every second of every day, and I don't think I'm a bad person for thinking so.


I will concur with you. I have no problem, even though my Christianity nags at me, my 'human being' parts scream 'let her suffer'.
2013-05-22 05:09:22 PM  
1 votes:
bugontherug: Wogus: I do not pretend to know what is wrong with Jodi Arias nor, really, do I care. I will say that I think the world will be a little bit better place without her in it. She simply needs to be exterminated; like you would exterminate a common cockroach. Simply and dispassionately disposed of.

I'll pretend to know. Or at least pretend to have a pretty good guess. My armchair diagnosis is Borderline Personality Disorder. In Europe, they call it "Emotional Dysregulation Syndrome."  ...  I say Jodi Arias should die, but not for the same reasons you do. While you may consider the intense emotional pain she would suffer awaiting her execution a good thing, I do not. She needs to die because she's a danger to others, and a natural lifespan served in prison is too cruel a punishment. She might suffer more intensely as she awaits her execution than she would if she went to prison for life. But she won't suffer for as long. And maybe her victim's family can find some sense of equity in her death.


Excuse me? I didn't say why I think Jodi Arias should die; but it's certainly NOT for the sadistic reasons you seem to want to thrust on me (e.g. "While you may consider the intense emotional pain she would suffer awaiting her execution a good thing...).

Where the fark, exactly, is that coming from?
2013-05-22 04:27:07 PM  
1 votes:

Wogus: I do not pretend to know what is wrong with Jodi Arias nor, really, do I care. I will say that I think the world will be a little bit better place without her in it. She simply needs to be exterminated; like you would exterminate a common cockroach. Simply and dispassionately disposed of.


I'll pretend to know. Or at least pretend to have a pretty good guess. My armchair diagnosis is Borderline Personality Disorder. In Europe, they call it "Emotional Dysregulation Syndrome."

Her condition consists in extreme emotional lability arising from an imperfectly formed amygdala. In early childhood, maybe even prenatally, her body was flooded with stress hormones which diverted resources normally used to properly form the brain to other functions. As a result, she lacks the ability normal people have to control their emotional states. She experiences emotions more intensely than normal people's do, her emotions swing more wildly than normal people's do.

The same stressors which caused her amygdala to form improperly probably also caused her frontal cortex to form improperly. Impairment of her frontal cortex causes two deficits: 1) diminished ability to calculate the consequences of her actions, and 2) diminished impulse control. Her brain therefore has a triple whamny of fail: intense, uncontrollable emotions, inability to foresee outcomes of her actions, and poor impulse control.  So when she gets mad, for example, she gets really mad. Worse, she's significantly more likely to act inappropriately in her anger than are normal people.

People often mistakenly interpret her impulsive responses to intense emotion as calculated efforts to manipulate others. Someone in this very thread, for example, remarked that her request for the death penalty was part of her "pathological manipulation." More likely, it arose from the intense emotion associated with her murder conviction. She probably said it mainly to vent her own feelings, without contemplating how other people would react to it at all.

That isn't to say she isn't manipulative though. Borderline Personality Disorder is highly comorbid with Narcissistic Personality Disorder. I don't fully understand the interplay, but I think it involves the ego's response to the poor self image arising from her self-destructive responses to her own intense emotions. To oversimplify, I think she hates the things she does so much, that she has constructed a false image of herself to project to the world. The narcissistic supply she gets from being told she's beautiful, from her sexual promiscuity, etc., replaces the real self-esteem that would derive from being better equipped to handle the world.

This same false self also serves as kind of an emotional armor. Highly emotional people who are also intelligent learn early in life that when certain other people pick up on your emotional lability, they use it as a weapon against you. So the "narcissistic mask," if you will, that she projects may also serve to conceal the sensitivity which makes her a target for interpersonal predators.

Is she like a cockroach? I don't know. Neither she nor a cockroach chose to be the way they are, so they have that much in common. But she is sentient, and therefore able to appreciate her own plight in a way that a cockroach cannot. She also has a much more complex nervous system than a cockroach, and a consequently greater capacity to suffer. Multiply her capacity to understand that she's about to die or go to prison forever by her already intense emotional lability, and her terror is probably off the charts.

To quote one expert who in turn was quoted by Psychology Today:

"People with BPD are like people with third degree burns over 90 percent of their body," says Marsha M. Linehan, Ph.D., founder of Dialectical Behavioral Therapy. "Lacking emotional skin, they feel agony at the slightest touch or movement."

I for one agree with those hidden religious doctrines which exhort us universal compassion. It took a scientist to articulate those doctrines in a way a secularist like me could appreciate. Said Albert Einstein:

"A human being is a part of the whole, called by us "Universe," a part limited in time and space.  He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest, a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness.  This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us.  Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures...".

I say Jodi Arias should die, but not for the same reasons you do. While you may consider the intense emotional pain she would suffer awaiting her execution a good thing, I do not. She needs to die because she's a danger to others, and a natural lifespan served in prison is too cruel a punishment. She might suffer more intensely as she awaits her execution than she would if she went to prison for life. But she won't suffer for as long. And maybe her victim's family can find some sense of equity in her death.

tl;dr: A bleeding heart's plaintive plea that it really wasn't Jodi's fault, so we should all feel sorry for her. Boo hoo hoo!
2013-05-22 02:57:40 PM  
1 votes:

umad: plcow: I understand that she murdered somebody, but who cares?

People care because murder is bad.


Also, she didn't just murder him. She murdered the everloving shiat out of him at least three times. Plus, sex.
2013-05-22 02:08:03 PM  
1 votes:

OOBE Juan Kenobi: PsyLord:  She's not crazy, just a sociopath.

Can you explain what the difference would be? lol


Crazy people don't comprehend reality.
2013-05-22 01:49:38 PM  
1 votes:

NightOwl2255: Jodi Arias is a perfect example of a person that should never open her mouth in public. The first time the cops showed up at her door (or however it went down) she should have uttered one word, "lawyer" and then taken a vow of silence. Every time she talks she appears more crazy and more guilty than before.


Since she is, in fact, crazy and guilty, I have no problem with her expressing such to the police/jury.
2013-05-22 01:20:00 PM  
1 votes:
She is a pathological manipulator. Here statement boils down to:

I know I asked for the death penalty, but if you give me death you are REALLY hurting my POOR INNOCENT FAMILY so unless you all suck as humans you have to spare me.

If I was on the jury I would be asking the judge if "slow death" was an option.
2013-05-22 12:55:41 PM  
1 votes:
It's odd, but I lost sympathy for her when I saw the nude pics and found out that she has breast implants.
2013-05-22 12:50:09 PM  
1 votes:
The "Survivor" tee shirt made me want to choke her.

Biatch.
2013-05-22 12:38:06 PM  
1 votes:
She actually sounds pretty calm in the interview.  She also seems to have a persecution complex.  She's not crazy, just a sociopath.
2013-05-22 12:36:53 PM  
1 votes:

plcow: Who is she and why is she all over the news? I understand that she murdered somebody, but who cares?  Is she a celebrity?


She is now. She stabbed her boyfriend in the shower about thirty times, then shot him as he crawled away for his life, and finally cut his throat Nearly Headless Nick style. In self defense.
2013-05-22 12:34:48 PM  
1 votes:
Don't stick your dick in crazy.

That is all.
2013-05-22 12:31:34 PM  
1 votes:
Some people need killin'
She is one.
 
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