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2013-05-22 09:36:24 AM  
Wow, McCain's come along way with technology in the last 5 years. Maybe he should give lessons to Gingrich.
 
2013-05-22 09:45:25 AM  
He's lucky.  When I was a kid, we didn't have any apps.
 
2013-05-22 09:50:25 AM  
Old man yells at iCloud.
 
2013-05-22 09:58:15 AM  

xenophon10k: Wow, McCain's come along way with technology in the last 5 years. Maybe he should give lessons to Gingrich.


Gingrich already has some technology figured out.  Whenever his computer gets a virus, he just buys another one.
 
2013-05-22 10:00:01 AM  

grokca: Old man yells at iCloud.


YES!!!
 
2013-05-22 10:08:08 AM  

I_Am_Weasel: xenophon10k: Wow, McCain's come along way with technology in the last 5 years. Maybe he should give lessons to Gingrich.

Gingrich already has some technology figured out.  Whenever his computer gets a virus, he just buys another one.


To be fair, that's usually the least annoying solution.
 
2013-05-22 10:13:32 AM  

I_Am_Weasel: xenophon10k: Wow, McCain's come along way with technology in the last 5 years. Maybe he should give lessons to Gingrich.

Gingrich already has some technology figured out.  Whenever his computer gets a virus, he just buys another one.


You're thinking of his marriages.
 
2013-05-22 10:20:42 AM  
Apple liked this question because it assured them that nobody in government has a hope or prayer of ever figuring out what laws they broke.

/If you can't handle apps, you can't handle their tax filings.
 
2013-05-22 10:21:06 AM  

grokca: Old man yells at iCloud.


Dammit. Too late. Nice work.
 
2013-05-22 10:22:42 AM  
....and what's the deal with Ovaltine?
 
2013-05-22 10:23:03 AM  
As an American living overseas, I resent the fact that I have to pay taxes on my foreign earnings that I have to declare the balances of all my foreign bank accounts to the US Government.
 
2013-05-22 10:23:26 AM  
Forced, unnecessary upgrades are annoying.


Hey a cute movie of a puppy sleeping.  [clicks link then wait 20 minutes for Quicktime to update]
 
2013-05-22 10:24:59 AM  
I'm with cranky grandpa on this one.
 
2013-05-22 10:27:01 AM  

grokca: Old man yells at iCloud.


A keyboard... you owe it to my employer
 
2013-05-22 10:27:10 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: As an American living overseas, I resent the fact that I have to pay taxes on my foreign earnings that I have to declare the balances of all my foreign bank accounts to the US Government.


So, basically, you're aggravated that your more complicated living arrangements have more complicated tax requirements.

I have two possible solutions for you (aside from "quit whining about  it"):

1. Move back to the U.S.
2. Get the fark out and stay there
 
2013-05-22 10:28:28 AM  
Jesus, you have to press a button every couple of weeks.  How terrible.
 
2013-05-22 10:28:34 AM  
I used to be the biggest apple fan, but that was many many years ago. Like 20. They've changed a lot, and not in a good way. (I'm old).
 
2013-05-22 10:29:20 AM  

grokca: Old man yells at iCloud.


So much win.
 
2013-05-22 10:29:41 AM  
"I'm out of time but what I really wanted to ask was why the hell I have to keep updating apps on my iPhone all the time and why you don't fix that," the Arizona Republican said.

That poor chicken cloud.
 
2013-05-22 10:30:10 AM  
I didn't know there was an app for an abacus.
 
2013-05-22 10:32:15 AM  

grokca: Old man yells at iCloud.


I'm hitting the FUNNY button so hard, my monitor is screaming in pain.
 
2013-05-22 10:33:00 AM  
encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
 
2013-05-22 10:33:21 AM  

grokca: Old man yells at iCloud.


That would have been a nice headline.
 
2013-05-22 10:33:47 AM  
I'm out of time but what I really wanted to ask was why the hell I have to keep updating apps on my iPhone all the time and why you don't fix that

Ladies and gentleman, what we have here is former Presidential candidate and 600 term Senator John McCain derailing a committee hearing to whine about his Angry Birds app auto-updating every few weeks.
 
2013-05-22 10:34:02 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: As an American living overseas, I resent the fact that I have to pay taxes on my foreign earnings that I have to declare the balances of all my foreign bank accounts to the US Government.


Are you having to pay income taxes in your country of residence or something?  Because you definitely don't have to pay US sales or property taxes (on local property) and you're exempt from federal withholding, so even if you are that's a relatively small amount of double taxation.
 
2013-05-22 10:36:17 AM  
Am I the only one who thought the journalist was trying to say that exchange was friendly and gentle ribbing, rather than an actual complaint by a confused old man?

McCain annoys me a lot of the time, but what annoys me more is out of context whining here on FARK.
 
2013-05-22 10:36:23 AM  
foodfrenzy.ocregister.com

"Is this thing on?"
 
2013-05-22 10:36:38 AM  

Jim_Callahan: AverageAmericanGuy: As an American living overseas, I resent the fact that I have to pay taxes on my foreign earnings that I have to declare the balances of all my foreign bank accounts to the US Government.

Are you having to pay income taxes in your country of residence or something?  Because you definitely don't have to pay US sales or property taxes (on local property) and you're exempt from federal withholding, so even if you are that's a relatively small amount of double taxation.


Yes, I have to pay income tax (and sales tax and property tax) in my foreign tax home.
 
2013-05-22 10:36:55 AM  

thurstonxhowell: I'm out of time but what I really wanted to ask was why the hell I have to keep updating apps on my iPhone all the time and why you don't fix that

Ladies and gentleman, what we have here is former Presidential candidate and 600 term Senator John McCain derailing a committee hearing to whine about his Angry Birds app auto-updating every few weeks.


You know he was joking, right?
 
2013-05-22 10:37:00 AM  

thurstonxhowell: I'm out of time but what I really wanted to ask was why the hell I have to keep updating apps on my iPhone all the time and why you don't fix that

Ladies and gentleman, what we have here is former Presidential candidate and 600 term Senator John McCain derailing a committee hearing to whine about his Angry Birds app auto-updating every few weeks.


Derailing?  Seriously?  An offhanded throwaway comment in the midst of the entire Senate lining up to take turns fluffing Apple?
 
2013-05-22 10:37:12 AM  
Where the fark does him complaining about updates fit into the relevance of this discussion?

I have a feeling this is nothing more than a dog and pony show. A feel good, like our Government is looking out for the American tax payer by going after big mega corporation money.

WWE of politics.
 
2013-05-22 10:37:52 AM  

fickenchucker: Am I the only one who thought the journalist was trying to say that exchange was friendly and gentle ribbing, rather than an actual complaint by a confused old man?

McCain annoys me a lot of the time, but what annoys me more is out of context whining here on FARK.


Watch the video.  McCain was clearly hamming it up.
 
2013-05-22 10:38:59 AM  
I'm out of time but what I really wanted to ask was why the hell I have to keep updating apps on my iPhone all the time and why you don't fix that

i.imgur.com
 
2013-05-22 10:39:09 AM  

Random Anonymous Blackmail: I have a feeling this is nothing more than a dog and pony show.


Did you just figure this out?

That's all Politics is. A donkey and an elephant raping the whore that is lady liberty.
 
2013-05-22 10:39:41 AM  
This is clearly more newsworthy than RAND PAUL doing his best Joe Barton impression ("Ah...am sa-oo...saw-ree!") to Apple heads in hopes of putting a Foxconn in Kentucky.
 
2013-05-22 10:40:03 AM  
tuna fingers: "I used to be the biggest apple fan, but that was many many years ago. Like 20. They've changed a lot, and not in a good way. (I'm old)."

20 years ago Mac OS was so weak and listless that it could get shown up by *Microsoft*.
With Windows 95: a mediocre, incremental improvement with an out-sized marketing campaign.

You may want to wipe off those rose colored glasses.  They seem to be smudged.
 
2013-05-22 10:43:11 AM  
This explains why McCain's airplanes kept dropping out of the sky.

"Bob, you're a great mechanic, but she flies fine, in fact I'm not even going to do a walk around this morning. You did gas her up, right? That's all she needs. Don't worry about those air worthiness advisories, I'm sure one more trip won't hurt"
 
2013-05-22 10:47:05 AM  

tuna fingers: I used to be the biggest apple fan, but that was many many years ago. Like 20. They've changed a lot, and not in a good way. (I'm old).


What?  I've actually started going over to Apple products.  They used to be such weak sauce that I didn't consider them computers.  Now I run VMWare Fusion on my Mac and virtualize my work desktop.  It's pretty pimp.  I've done it on Windows and it's not quite as good.
 
2013-05-22 10:48:19 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Jim_Callahan: AverageAmericanGuy: As an American living overseas, I resent the fact that I have to pay taxes on my foreign earnings that I have to declare the balances of all my foreign bank accounts to the US Government.

Are you having to pay income taxes in your country of residence or something?  Because you definitely don't have to pay US sales or property taxes (on local property) and you're exempt from federal withholding, so even if you are that's a relatively small amount of double taxation.

Yes, I have to pay income tax (and sales tax and property tax) in my foreign tax home.


And when you get into any kind of trouble overseas the nice people at the State Department will help you out, so suck it up, pay your taxes, and move on.  If you don't like it, get citizenship in another country and renounce your American citizenship.  As you happen to use various governmental services (ranging from absentee ballot to whatever you make use of during any visits to America), suck it up and pay your share.

/and if you do it right, you don't pay Uncle Sam
//he even spots you an automatic two month extension to get your paperwork in order
 
2013-05-22 10:50:35 AM  
If you want no updates, you should be using Android.
 
2013-05-22 10:51:30 AM  

ringersol: tuna fingers: "I used to be the biggest apple fan, but that was many many years ago. Like 20. They've changed a lot, and not in a good way. (I'm old)."

20 years ago Mac OS was so weak and listless that it could get shown up by *Microsoft*.
With Windows 95: a mediocre, incremental improvement with an out-sized marketing campaign.

You may want to wipe off those rose colored glasses.  They seem to be smudged.


I lost what little respect I had for Apple when they abandoned PowerPC processors. Or Apple's consumers. Not sure which.
 
2013-05-22 10:51:40 AM  

ringersol: tuna fingers: "I used to be the biggest apple fan, but that was many many years ago. Like 20. They've changed a lot, and not in a good way. (I'm old)."

20 years ago Mac OS was so weak and listless that it could get shown up by *Microsoft*.
With Windows 95: a mediocre, incremental improvement with an out-sized marketing campaign.

You may want to wipe off those rose colored glasses.  They seem to be smudged.


For all its faults, Win95 was a major improvement over Win3.1.
 
2013-05-22 10:52:15 AM  

grokca: Old man yells at iCloud.


iThink we're done here
 
2013-05-22 10:55:35 AM  

xenophon10k: Wow, McCain's come along way with technology in the last 5 years. Maybe he should give lessons to Gingrich.


You mean he's figured out how to get his phone to stop flashing  SUN 12:00 AM?
 
2013-05-22 10:58:26 AM  

fickenchucker: Am I the only one who thought the journalist was trying to say that exchange was friendly and gentle ribbing, rather than an actual complaint by a confused old man?

McCain annoys me a lot of the time, but what annoys me more is out of context whining here on FARK.


This is why I make sure all of my whining is in-context. Readers really savor whinging when it's directed properly.
 
2013-05-22 10:59:39 AM  

ha-ha-guy: AverageAmericanGuy: Jim_Callahan: AverageAmericanGuy: As an American living overseas, I resent the fact that I have to pay taxes on my foreign earnings that I have to declare the balances of all my foreign bank accounts to the US Government.

Are you having to pay income taxes in your country of residence or something?  Because you definitely don't have to pay US sales or property taxes (on local property) and you're exempt from federal withholding, so even if you are that's a relatively small amount of double taxation.

Yes, I have to pay income tax (and sales tax and property tax) in my foreign tax home.

And when you get into any kind of trouble overseas the nice people at the State Department will help you out, so suck it up, pay your taxes, and move on.  If you don't like it, get citizenship in another country and renounce your American citizenship.  As you happen to use various governmental services (ranging from absentee ballot to whatever you make use of during any visits to America), suck it up and pay your share.

/and if you do it right, you don't pay Uncle Sam
//he even spots you an automatic two month extension to get your paperwork in order


Land of the Free, indeed.
 
2013-05-22 11:05:32 AM  

someonelse: I'm with cranky grandpa on this one.


You're with cranky grandpa on pulling the most popular company that's evading taxes here in the US just to ask them tech support questions? This was honestly on par with the stupid tax questions they were asking.
 
2013-05-22 11:07:36 AM  
a Senate panel's  grilling of Apple's top brass over the company's offshore tax avoidance practices

But the senators weren't so kind when it came to talking about Apple's offshore cash storage practices, which are legal but have cost the U.S. Treasury billions in revenue, according to members of subcommittee.



OK.  Stupid question.

WTF are they hoping to accomplish.  Drag a CEO in to testify about policies put in place BY CONGRASSHOLES for what?  Should Apple not take advantage of policies put in place by Congrassholes to encourage companies like APPLE?

WHAT ABOUT THE JOBS????  (employment, not the dead guy).

Are these the same Congrassholes who suggested Buffet should 'write a check'?
 
2013-05-22 11:08:02 AM  
24.media.tumblr.com

/oblig
 
2013-05-22 11:09:20 AM  

Mentat: thurstonxhowell: I'm out of time but what I really wanted to ask was why the hell I have to keep updating apps on my iPhone all the time and why you don't fix that

Ladies and gentleman, what we have here is former Presidential candidate and 600 term Senator John McCain derailing a committee hearing to whine about his Angry Birds app auto-updating every few weeks.

You know he was joking, right?


Billions of dollars in lost revenue and the widening income gap is hilarious. McCain should know.
 
2013-05-22 11:10:02 AM  

Diogenes: "I'm out of time but what I really wanted to ask was why the hell I have to keep updating apps on my iPhone all the time and why you don't fix that," the Arizona Republican said.

That poor chicken cloud.


Being old enough to have spent long hours with punch cards, I'll agree with the Senator to some extent.  If you write the app correctly the first time, it shouldn't need to be constantly updated.  Granted, sometimes you need to have updates to deal with improved technologies, but I get the feeling that a lot of these "upgrades" are correcting screw-ups they should have dealt with before  putting things on the market and/or trying to gather more marketing data.  If I spend money on an App, I have a right to expect it to be de -bugged and workable.  And if it's free, I will probably be even more incensed if it has problems.  Nobody is paying me to debug their software.

/end of rant.
 
2013-05-22 11:15:49 AM  
And what about all those pesky passwords, why doesn't the phone just know who I am?
 
2013-05-22 11:20:21 AM  

moothemagiccow: someonelse: I'm with cranky grandpa on this one.

You're with cranky grandpa on pulling the most popular company that's evading taxes here in the US just to ask them tech support questions? This was honestly on par with the stupid tax questions they were asking.


He made a joke at the end of his allotted time. And yeah, I find the constant updates mildly annoying. I'll get over it.
No doubt the hearing was one giant blowjob for the tax-evading Apple, but I'm not outraged over McCain's lame joke.
 
2013-05-22 11:22:08 AM  
Regarding installing updates for iOS apps:

You don't have to
If you don't want to
You don't have to
If you don't want
To
 
2013-05-22 11:24:13 AM  

Mr. Titanium: Diogenes: "I'm out of time but what I really wanted to ask was why the hell I have to keep updating apps on my iPhone all the time and why you don't fix that," the Arizona Republican said.

That poor chicken cloud.

Being old enough to have spent long hours with punch cards, I'll agree with the Senator to some extent.  If you write the app correctly the first time, it shouldn't need to be constantly updated.  Granted, sometimes you need to have updates to deal with improved technologies, but I get the feeling that a lot of these "upgrades" are correcting screw-ups they should have dealt with before  putting things on the market and/or trying to gather more marketing data.  If I spend money on an App, I have a right to expect it to be de -bugged and workable.  And if it's free, I will probably be even more incensed if it has problems.  Nobody is paying me to debug their software.

/end of rant.


heh.  My Dad was an old school punch card programmer that hates apps that constantly update for simple, and stupid bug fixes.  Especially if they do an update on a bug they've fixed in earlier releases.  Why fix the bug, and then fark it up again later only to have to go back an fix it again?  Makes no sense.
 
2013-05-22 11:24:38 AM  
I could be wrong, but aren't updates on the iPhone not required?

For example, if Angry Birds has an update available, all that will happen is a notification on the App Store icon, you can still open and play your current version of the game.

Even iOS updates are not required (although you are prompted to update).
 
2013-05-22 11:30:56 AM  

maliklockett: And what about all those pesky passwords, why doesn't the phone just know who I am?


Hey, they make this stupid handy, little gadget for storing passwords --->  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgbRbYlojm8
 
2013-05-22 11:33:35 AM  

bedtundy: maliklockett: And what about all those pesky passwords, why doesn't the phone just know who I am?

Hey, they make this stupid handy, little gadget for storing passwords --->  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgbRbYlojm8


They are selling a notebook for $10?

I'm in the wrong farking business.
 
2013-05-22 11:37:13 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: bedtundy: maliklockett: And what about all those pesky passwords, why doesn't the phone just know who I am?

Hey, they make this stupid handy, little gadget for storing passwords --->  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgbRbYlojm8

They are selling a notebook for $10?

I'm in the wrong farking business.


Me too.  Would have loved to have been a fly on the wall during the pitch for that product.
 
2013-05-22 11:37:38 AM  
meanwhile some dudes in san diego are having their way with Cindy.
 
2013-05-22 11:42:15 AM  
bedtundy: Hey, they make this stupid handy, little gadget for storing passwords --->  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgbRbYlojm8

Holy cow, that's a real product?? I thought it might be satire after the lady said "now I never have to worry about security or identity theft" as she writes every bit of personal information into her little book which she then carries in her purse!

Good grief.
 
2013-05-22 11:42:42 AM  
Quit creatin' such a kerfuffle, gramps.

You're irrelevant.
 
2013-05-22 11:42:57 AM  

dukeblue219: bedtundy: Hey, they make this stupid handy, little gadget for storing passwords --->  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgbRbYlojm8

Holy cow, that's a real product?? I thought it might be satire after the lady said "now I never have to worry about security or identity theft" as she writes every bit of personal information into her little book which she then carries in her purse!

Good grief.


It has a handsome leather cover, so those passwords are safe.
 
2013-05-22 11:44:27 AM  

dukeblue219: bedtundy: Hey, they make this stupid handy, little gadget for storing passwords --->  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgbRbYlojm8

Holy cow, that's a real product?? I thought it might be satire after the lady said "now I never have to worry about security or identity theft" as she writes every bit of personal information into her little book which she then carries in her purse!

Good grief.


Keepass is better
 
2013-05-22 11:45:43 AM  
To be fair it is kind of annoying.
 
2013-05-22 11:46:04 AM  
When I was a kid, we had to search for and download patches for our apps on our own.
 
2013-05-22 11:46:16 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: dukeblue219: bedtundy: Hey, they make this stupid handy, little gadget for storing passwords --->  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgbRbYlojm8

Holy cow, that's a real product?? I thought it might be satire after the lady said "now I never have to worry about security or identity theft" as she writes every bit of personal information into her little book which she then carries in her purse!

Good grief.

It has a handsome leather cover, so those passwords are safe.


Should have gone with the Fine Corinthian Leather®, would be even more safe...r.
 
2013-05-22 11:52:08 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: ha-ha-guy: AverageAmericanGuy: Jim_Callahan: AverageAmericanGuy: As an American living overseas, I resent the fact that I have to pay taxes on my foreign earnings that I have to declare the balances of all my foreign bank accounts to the US Government.

Are you having to pay income taxes in your country of residence or something?  Because you definitely don't have to pay US sales or property taxes (on local property) and you're exempt from federal withholding, so even if you are that's a relatively small amount of double taxation.

Yes, I have to pay income tax (and sales tax and property tax) in my foreign tax home.

And when you get into any kind of trouble overseas the nice people at the State Department will help you out, so suck it up, pay your taxes, and move on.  If you don't like it, get citizenship in another country and renounce your American citizenship.  As you happen to use various governmental services (ranging from absentee ballot to whatever you make use of during any visits to America), suck it up and pay your share.

/and if you do it right, you don't pay Uncle Sam
//he even spots you an automatic two month extension to get your paperwork in order

Land of the Free, indeed.


Plenty of ways to actually pay LESS taxes, but you have to know them.  You can deduct based on all the taxes you pay in Foreignlandia, you can incorporate income and just not pay taxes on it unless it comes back into the US, you can take advantage of tax holidays (thought that usually takes a few years) and on, and on.

But you have to have an accounting team for that game, just like Mitt Romney.
 
2013-05-22 11:52:37 AM  

Mr. Titanium: Diogenes: "I'm out of time but what I really wanted to ask was why the hell I have to keep updating apps on my iPhone all the time and why you don't fix that," the Arizona Republican said.

That poor chicken cloud.

Being old enough to have spent long hours with punch cards, I'll agree with the Senator to some extent.  If you write the app correctly the first time, it shouldn't need to be constantly updated.  Granted, sometimes you need to have updates to deal with improved technologies, but I get the feeling that a lot of these "upgrades" are correcting screw-ups they should have dealt with before  putting things on the market and/or trying to gather more marketing data.  If I spend money on an App, I have a right to expect it to be de -bugged and workable.  And if it's free, I will probably be even more incensed if it has problems.  Nobody is paying me to debug their software.

/end of rant.


You had zero communication with the people using youe program back then. Now people can provide instant feedback and use your program in bizarre ways you wouldnt think of.

Still, no update should be mandatory.
 
2013-05-22 11:54:09 AM  

bedtundy: xenophon10k: Wow, McCain's come along way with technology in the last 5 years. Maybe he should give lessons to Gingrich.

You mean he's figured out how to get his phone to stop flashing  SUN 12:00 AM?


I sat next to him on a flight.... he was flying on coach. It was odd because I saw him in the waiting area and I was one of the last people to get a seat assigned... i figured I'd catch him sitting in first class, but when I didn't see him I got to my seat and there he was, flying coach. Maybe all of first class was sold, maybe he's to cheap to pay for his upgrade or maybe he's just trying to appear to be a man of the people. I was flying out AZ, so that gives him a big chance to seat next to contituents.

He spent most of the flight playing on his blackberry. I thougth about talking to him, but I was on my way back from Burning Man and looked like a no-good dirty hippie (I had showered at my hotel before the flight, but it takes a couple of showers to get all the playa dust out). I figured the old man probably didn't want to talk to a dirty hippie. I know my grandpa wouldn't have wanted to had he been sitting next to me. And the man did serve his country in 'nam and deserved a quiet flight if he wanted one.
 
2013-05-22 11:57:55 AM  
Of all the legitimate complaints about apple products this is not one of them
 
2013-05-22 12:03:37 PM  

bedtundy: AverageAmericanGuy: dukeblue219: bedtundy: Hey, they make this stupid handy, little gadget for storing passwords --->  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgbRbYlojm8

Holy cow, that's a real product?? I thought it might be satire after the lady said "now I never have to worry about security or identity theft" as she writes every bit of personal information into her little book which she then carries in her purse!

Good grief.

It has a handsome leather cover, so those passwords are safe.

Should have gone with the Fine Corinthian Leather®, would be even more safe...r.


That's what the Corinthians want you to think.
 
2013-05-22 12:05:47 PM  
PC Mag needs to hire a fact checker.  Republican McCain is the Ranking Member; Democrat Levin is the Chairman.
 
2013-05-22 12:06:54 PM  
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2013-05-22 12:07:49 PM  

grokca: Old man yells at iCloud.


That was fantastic.
 
2013-05-22 12:08:42 PM  

grokca: .


grokca: bedtundy: AverageAmericanGuy: dukeblue219: bedtundy: Hey, they make this stupid handy, little gadget for storing passwords --->  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgbRbYlojm8

Holy cow, that's a real product?? I thought it might be satire after the lady said "now I never have to worry about security or identity theft" as she writes every bit of personal information into her little book which she then carries in her purse!

Good grief.

It has a handsome leather cover, so those passwords are safe.

Should have gone with the Fine Corinthian Leather®, would be even more safe...r.

That's what the Corinthians want you to think.


Yeah, they're kind of like the Naugas, with their hides.
 
2013-05-22 12:10:44 PM  

grokca: Old man yells at iCloud.


Should have been the headline.
 
2013-05-22 12:15:39 PM  

grokca: Old man yells at iCloud.


Here's hoping you didn't pay for that TF, well done.

I could seriously make an informed complaint about the model that Apple has been using with regard to updates etc. but when it comes down to it, Microsoft and damn near every other software vendor out there is forcing people to always connect to them directly instead of offering offline update installers. Somehow I'm doubting McCain's complaint is so nuanced, or even related to how annoying they do make those update notifications.
 
2013-05-22 12:17:29 PM  
One of the best points McCain has had in a few years now.

I'm looking forward to the day when somebody addresses the hundreds of pages of user agreements.  Sooner or later there will be a court case that either confirms that asking users to read hundreds of pages of legal jargon before using a phone is reasonable or that this is not a reasonable practice and these agreements will be voided. I'd bet on the latter happening.  From my meager knowledge of the law, intent matters a lot when it comes to contracts and the tech companies clealry intend to bury the customer in text to get their way.
 
2013-05-22 12:19:08 PM  

mdeesnuts: ringersol: tuna fingers: "I used to be the biggest apple fan, but that was many many years ago. Like 20. They've changed a lot, and not in a good way. (I'm old)."

20 years ago Mac OS was so weak and listless that it could get shown up by *Microsoft*.
With Windows 95: a mediocre, incremental improvement with an out-sized marketing campaign.

You may want to wipe off those rose colored glasses.  They seem to be smudged.

I lost what little respect I had for Apple when they abandoned PowerPC processors. Or Apple's consumers. Not sure which.


Dry up fan boy, going Intel probably saved Apple and introduced their hardware to people who would have never considered picking up a piece of computing equipment that did not have the option of also running Windows. What, you really think there is something "special" about Apple hardware or Mac OS X that the two need each other to run? That the decision to make it all proprietary wasn't entirely borne of economic reasons?
 
2013-05-22 12:23:04 PM  

Mr. Titanium: Being old enough to have spent long hours with punch cards, I'll agree with the Senator to some extent.  If you write the app correctly the first time, it shouldn't need to be constantly updated.  Granted, sometimes you need to have updates to deal with improved technologies, but I get the feeling that a lot of these "upgrades" are correcting screw-ups they should have dealt with before  putting things on the market and/or trying to gather more marketing data.  If I spend money on an App, I have a right to expect it to be de -bugged and workable.  And if it's free, I will probably be even more incensed if it has problems.  Nobody is paying me to debug their software.

/end of rant.


Having been in the industry continuously since the punch-card days all the way through today developing mobile apps for iOS and Android, I can tell you that software systems are several orders of magnitude more complex that they were in those days.  The biggest difference is the introduction of modeless user interfaces, which creates a seemingly endless number of paths that the program can take based on the random whims of a user.  Add on top of that networking, which can be unpredictable, an environment where you're running side-by-side with other apps written by other people doing who-knows-what, an increasing set of device and operating system combinations, and it becomes impractical to test absolutely everything.  It becomes a matter of triage.

Stack on that the "release early and release often" race to market mantra that was introduced in the late 90's, and the proof that shipping mediocre and buggy software is no barrier to success (see Microsoft), and the low cost barrier of deploying updates (game consoles are only holdouts there), and this is simply where we're at.
 
2013-05-22 12:28:28 PM  
He has 37 staffers ready to wait on him hand and foot, 24/7.  I would be shocked if he uses his iPhone for anything beyond voice calls and the occasional quick glance at pron.
 
2013-05-22 12:28:47 PM  

what_now: I_Am_Weasel: xenophon10k: Wow, McCain's come along way with technology in the last 5 years. Maybe he should give lessons to Gingrich.

Gingrich already has some technology figured out.  Whenever his computer gets a virus, he just buys another one.

You're thinking of his marriages.


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2013-05-22 12:31:17 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Jim_Callahan: AverageAmericanGuy: As an American living overseas, I resent the fact that I have to pay taxes on my foreign earnings that I have to declare the balances of all my foreign bank accounts to the US Government.

Are you having to pay income taxes in your country of residence or something?  Because you definitely don't have to pay US sales or property taxes (on local property) and you're exempt from federal withholding, so even if you are that's a relatively small amount of double taxation.

Yes, I have to pay income tax (and sales tax and property tax) in my foreign tax home.


And if you run into any legal issues, are you going to be going to the State Department to pull your ass out of the fire? Unless you're willing to renounce your citizenship and the benefits that come with it, STFU about the obligations that come with it too.
 
2013-05-22 12:36:51 PM  
createfunnyphotos.com
 
2013-05-22 12:37:14 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: AverageAmericanGuy: Jim_Callahan: AverageAmericanGuy: As an American living overseas, I resent the fact that I have to pay taxes on my foreign earnings that I have to declare the balances of all my foreign bank accounts to the US Government.

Are you having to pay income taxes in your country of residence or something?  Because you definitely don't have to pay US sales or property taxes (on local property) and you're exempt from federal withholding, so even if you are that's a relatively small amount of double taxation.

Yes, I have to pay income tax (and sales tax and property tax) in my foreign tax home.

And if you run into any legal issues, are you going to be going to the State Department to pull your ass out of the fire? Unless you're willing to renounce your citizenship and the benefits that come with it, STFU about the obligations that come with it too.


1. No. If I have any legal issues, I'll have a lawyer here. The State department isn't going to be helping bail an American out of jail for petty crimes committed on foreign soil.

2. No other country (except Israel) demands tribute from its citizens for income earned overseas.

So maybe you need to gain a little perspective about the tax slavery system the US has in place over its citizens.
 
2013-05-22 12:38:55 PM  

grokca: Old man yells at iCloud.


This should have been the headline.  HOTY material right there.
 
2013-05-22 12:46:59 PM  

Stile4aly: grokca: Old man yells at iCloud.

So much win.


oh man, I didn't even notice the i part until about the 5th quote, just went straight to the mental Abe image.  Deftly done.


/to be fair, app updates are replacing adobe updates in the 'o woe is my privilged ass' dept.
 
2013-05-22 01:06:24 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Crotchrocket Slim: AverageAmericanGuy: Jim_Callahan: AverageAmericanGuy: As an American living overseas, I resent the fact that I have to pay taxes on my foreign earnings that I have to declare the balances of all my foreign bank accounts to the US Government.

Are you having to pay income taxes in your country of residence or something?  Because you definitely don't have to pay US sales or property taxes (on local property) and you're exempt from federal withholding, so even if you are that's a relatively small amount of double taxation.

Yes, I have to pay income tax (and sales tax and property tax) in my foreign tax home.

And if you run into any legal issues, are you going to be going to the State Department to pull your ass out of the fire? Unless you're willing to renounce your citizenship and the benefits that come with it, STFU about the obligations that come with it too.

1. No. If I have any legal issues, I'll have a lawyer here. The State department isn't going to be helping bail an American out of jail for petty crimes committed on foreign soil.

2. No other country (except Israel) demands tribute from its citizens for income earned overseas.

So maybe you need to gain a little perspective about the tax slavery system the US has in place over its citizens.


1. So why not renounce that citizenship? Seems like you have no need to keep it. Then guess what whiner, you won't have to pay taxes to the US government.

2. Then why the hell haven't you renounced your US citizenship already Mr. Wants His Cake and Eat It Too? Also, I don't care how other nations do it, other nations don't have the political muscle flexed by the State Department to pull their citizens out of trouble either.

Guess what, decisions have consequences. Your decision to hold onto a citizenship you clearly don't use is what is obligating you to pay taxes to the US government.

If you're living in a foreign nation I'd say maybe your login is a little... misleading? I'll assume more "out of date" if you picked it up years ago before you decided to work in a foreign nation.
 
2013-05-22 01:15:13 PM  

ringersol: tuna fingers: "I used to be the biggest apple fan, but that was many many years ago. Like 20. They've changed a lot, and not in a good way. (I'm old)."

20 years ago Mac OS was so weak and listless that it could get shown up by *Microsoft*.
With Windows 95: a mediocre, incremental improvement with an out-sized marketing campaign.

You may want to wipe off those rose colored glasses.  They seem to be smudged.


For me, while I was obtaining my degree in ed and then when I did teach, Apple was really focusing on the school market.  Inexpensive, user-friendly machines were what they were producing.  They have since abandoned that.

encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com
 
2013-05-22 01:23:22 PM  

EyeballKid: This is clearly more newsworthy than RAND PAUL doing his best Joe Barton impression ("Ah...am sa-oo...saw-ree!") to Apple heads in hopes of putting a Foxconn in Kentucky.


or more newswothy than all of the liberal turds complaining about Apples tax practices, yet standing in line every year for the next Iphone 4sssss/5sssss/6
 
2013-05-22 01:29:36 PM  

Muta: Forced, unnecessary upgrades are annoying.


Hey a cute movie of a puppy sleeping.  [clicks link then wait 20 minutes for Quicktime to update]


With Media Player Classic (Home Cinema) playing my clips, I've never needed to have Quicktime even installed. Plus it doesn't need updating all the time. That doesn't stop iTunes from constantly trying to install QT though.
 
2013-05-22 01:32:16 PM  

nytmare: Muta: Forced, unnecessary upgrades are annoying.


Hey a cute movie of a puppy sleeping.  [clicks link then wait 20 minutes for Quicktime to update]

With Media Player Classic (Home Cinema) playing my clips, I've never needed to have Quicktime even installed. Plus it doesn't need updating all the time. That doesn't stop iTunes from constantly trying to install QT though.


The worst is trying to force Safari onto Windows. I've already got Chrome, Firefox, and IE, I'm good on browsers kthxbye.

In any case VLC handles a lot of this and more far better than WMP in my not-humble experience, though I guess that might relate to what files I'm trying to play (generally "not professionally ripped" videos if you catch my drift).
 
2013-05-22 01:35:53 PM  
Oh no! They keep insisting on making my software better! For free!

/you can decline upgrades. Or do them when it's convenient for you.
 
2013-05-22 01:37:25 PM  

bingethinker: Oh no! They keep insisting on making my software better! For free!

/you can decline upgrades. Or do them when it's convenient for you.


Yeah not all updates are well tested and will occasionally break a perfectly functional application or piece of hardware. Newest isn't always best; that's why old updates are often still available on a lot of websites.
/IT professional
 
2013-05-22 01:41:28 PM  

nytmare: Muta: Forced, unnecessary upgrades are annoying.


Hey a cute movie of a puppy sleeping.  [clicks link then wait 20 minutes for Quicktime to update]

With Media Player Classic (Home Cinema) playing my clips, I've never needed to have Quicktime even installed. Plus it doesn't need updating all the time. That doesn't stop iTunes from constantly trying to install QT though.


Be careful when agreeing to Apple's terms of services

/possibly not safe for work.
 
2013-05-22 01:43:23 PM  

tuna fingers: For me, while I was obtaining my degree in ed and then when I did teach, Apple was really focusing on the school market.  Inexpensive, user-friendly machines were what they were producing.  They have since abandoned that.


Because those machines sucked. Sorry to tell ya, but those lines - the LC, the all-in-one Performas, the mid-range PPCs? They were TERRIBLE computers.

They caused a lot more headaches then they solved. Apple went up on the scale because it was a much better idea. Selling fewer machines to a more willing to buy group was a brilliant idea. Why should they compete dollar-for-dollar with Dell, who practically gives away computer labs to schools?

They made a good call for the time. And it turned out to be right - the low-end market today is shambles, mismatched items with terrible hardware that is scraped together just to keep someone from buying something else.
 
2013-05-22 01:44:05 PM  

grokca: Old man yells at iCloud.


Comment of the year.
 
2013-05-22 01:47:48 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: dukeblue219: bedtundy: Hey, they make this stupid handy, little gadget for storing passwords --->  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgbRbYlojm8

Holy cow, that's a real product?? I thought it might be satire after the lady said "now I never have to worry about security or identity theft" as she writes every bit of personal information into her little book which she then carries in her purse!

Good grief.

It has a handsome leather cover, so those passwords are safe.


So does John McCain, I'm not putting my passwords in him either.  Wait...


My wife bought a dayplanner that had several pages like this at the beginning: farm9.staticflickr.com

Seems legit.
 
2013-05-22 01:49:18 PM  
As much as I find the Apple Religion irritating, the free market works well here.

Get an android if you don't want to deal with Apple's control fetish.

/Or learn how to tweak i-products.
 
2013-05-22 01:49:22 PM  

mdeesnuts: ringersol: tuna fingers: "I used to be the biggest apple fan, but that was many many years ago. Like 20. They've changed a lot, and not in a good way. (I'm old)."

20 years ago Mac OS was so weak and listless that it could get shown up by *Microsoft*.
With Windows 95: a mediocre, incremental improvement with an out-sized marketing campaign.

You may want to wipe off those rose colored glasses.  They seem to be smudged.

I lost what little respect I had for Apple when they abandoned PowerPC processors. Or Apple's consumers. Not sure which.


Apple had to change processors. The problem with PPC was that there was never a sure upgrade path. PPC chips were server chips stuffed into consumer laptops and desktops. IBM was never going to give them the time/money because compared to the server business Apple was small potatoes.

Intel gave Apple a constant stream of significant updates, worked with them on making more powerful, lower-voltage chips, and for the trouble, they got to draw in the people who needed Windows and x86 Linux. We wouldn't have a Macbook Air or a Mini the size of the current one if not for Intel.

Apple saw the curve and adjusted for it. I'll agree I felt like you did for, oh, a month or so. Then I tried an Intel Mac (and I tell you: it was WIERD seing a Pentium 4 in a PowerMac case in those developer units they sold for a short time) and i got over it. Beside, that was like 8 years ago now. Most people have adjusted too.
 
2013-05-22 01:58:54 PM  

Enemabag Jones: As much as I find the Apple Religion irritating, the free market works well here.

Get an android if you don't want to deal with Apple's control fetish.

/Or learn how to tweak i-products.


The iPhone really helped Apple gain a nice foothold in the PC market. It's gone from 4% marketshare 7 years ago to around 10% marketshare today. In large part due to the iPhone's success.

With such a large market for iPhone apps, anyone who wants to get involved in developing for the iPhone must use a Mac. And once programmers started switching, they found the OS experience pretty good. And with virtualization they don't have to leave their Mac to run Windows or Linux, so there's no incentive to leave the Mac.
 
2013-05-22 02:02:24 PM  
I never bother to update my apps. I have a bunch I don't even use anyway.

My nephew was using my Ipad last week and was shocked at how many updates I had. He was all like: "Why do you have hundreds of updates!?!??!?!"  I was all like: "They work fine the way they are and I gots things to do - I don't have time for that shiat."

The little bugger proceeded to hit "Update All" and for the next three hours my Ipad was frozen as it struggled to download all that junk.
 
2013-05-22 02:05:58 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Jim_Callahan: AverageAmericanGuy: As an American living overseas, I resent the fact that I have to pay taxes on my foreign earnings that I have to declare the balances of all my foreign bank accounts to the US Government.

Are you having to pay income taxes in your country of residence or something?  Because you definitely don't have to pay US sales or property taxes (on local property) and you're exempt from federal withholding, so even if you are that's a relatively small amount of double taxation.

Yes, I have to pay income tax (and sales tax and property tax) in my foreign tax home.


Wait, how do you pay US sales and property tax on foreign property?  Sales and property taxes are based on the physical location of where the property is used, so I don't know what jurisdiction in the US would even be able to claim you owe them tax on something that isn't within their land borders.  Unless the IRS has some foreign-based asset tax I'm not aware of (a quick Google search didn't reveal anything)?  And I'm just talking a tax on purchasing/owning real property, not taxes on rental income or the gains on the sale of that property, both of which I do understand.

I'm half calling bullshiat and half concerned as someone who dreams of one day owning a fabulous London condo.
 
2013-05-22 02:11:14 PM  

Hoygal: AverageAmericanGuy: Jim_Callahan: AverageAmericanGuy: As an American living overseas, I resent the fact that I have to pay taxes on my foreign earnings that I have to declare the balances of all my foreign bank accounts to the US Government.

Are you having to pay income taxes in your country of residence or something?  Because you definitely don't have to pay US sales or property taxes (on local property) and you're exempt from federal withholding, so even if you are that's a relatively small amount of double taxation.

Yes, I have to pay income tax (and sales tax and property tax) in my foreign tax home.

Wait, how do you pay US sales and property tax on foreign property?  Sales and property taxes are based on the physical location of where the property is used, so I don't know what jurisdiction in the US would even be able to claim you owe them tax on something that isn't within their land borders.  Unless the IRS has some foreign-based asset tax I'm not aware of (a quick Google search didn't reveal anything)?  And I'm just talking a tax on purchasing/owning real property, not taxes on rental income or the gains on the sale of that property, both of which I do understand.

I'm half calling bullshiat and half concerned as someone who dreams of one day owning a fabulous London condo.


I pay income tax, sales tax, and property tax  to the country in which I live.

I also pay income tax to the US, in which I do not live.
 
2013-05-22 02:15:47 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: 1. So why not renounce that citizenship? Seems like you have no need to keep it. Then guess what whiner, you won't have to pay taxes to the US government.

2. Then why the hell haven't you renounced your US citizenship already Mr. Wants His Cake and Eat It Too? Also, I don't care how other nations do it, other nations don't have the political muscle flexed by the State Department to pull their citizens out of trouble either.

Guess what, decisions have consequences. Your decision to hold onto a citizenship you clearly don't use is what is obligating you to pay taxes to the US government.

If you're living in a foreign nation I'd say maybe your login is a little... misleading? I'll assume more "out of date" if you picked it up years ago before you decided to work in a foreign nation.


Holy farking shiat, stop talking.
 
2013-05-22 02:20:13 PM  

Mr. Titanium: Diogenes: "I'm out of time but what I really wanted to ask was why the hell I have to keep updating apps on my iPhone all the time and why you don't fix that," the Arizona Republican said.

That poor chicken cloud.

Being old enough to have spent long hours with punch cards, I'll agree with the Senator to some extent.  If you write the app correctly the first time, it shouldn't need to be constantly updated.  Granted, sometimes you need to have updates to deal with improved technologies, but I get the feeling that a lot of these "upgrades" are correcting screw-ups they should have dealt with before  putting things on the market and/or trying to gather more marketing data.  If I spend money on an App, I have a right to expect it to be de -bugged and workable.  And if it's free, I will probably be even more incensed if it has problems.  Nobody is paying me to debug their software.

/end of rant.


I agree that too much poor quality software goes out, and developers are using us all as de facto beta testers.  But it sure is nice to have access to patches to real problems the minute they become available.

We have fixes for issues just sitting on the shelf because my customers would prefer "one off/hot fix/backports" that are untested because they're too friggin lazy to upgrade to versions in which the issues are fixed.  That makes zero sense to me.  Experience has shown me time and again you spend more time wrestling with a untested backport to get it to work than you would performing an orderly and timely upgrade.
 
2013-05-22 02:20:31 PM  
At just reading the headline, my initial reaction was, "This must be on The Onion."
Sadly, it was not...
 
2013-05-22 02:33:40 PM  

xrayspx: AverageAmericanGuy: dukeblue219: bedtundy: Hey, they make this stupid handy, little gadget for storing passwords --->  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgbRbYlojm8

Holy cow, that's a real product?? I thought it might be satire after the lady said "now I never have to worry about security or identity theft" as she writes every bit of personal information into her little book which she then carries in her purse!

Good grief.

It has a handsome leather cover, so those passwords are safe.

So does John McCain, I'm not putting my passwords in him either.  Wait...


My wife bought a dayplanner that had several pages like this at the beginning: [farm9.staticflickr.com image 500x375]

Seems legit.


Ellen has made some improvements to the password minder product line... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Srh_TV_J144

/I want to know how they guarantee that you'll never lose a password again with this stupid notebook.  What if you lose the notebook, or someone else... steals it?
 
2013-05-22 02:51:16 PM  

grokca: Old man yells at iCloud.


i229.photobucket.com
 
2013-05-22 03:13:39 PM  

Muta: Forced, unnecessary upgrades are annoying.


Hey a cute movie of a puppy sleeping.  [clicks link then wait 20 minutes for Quicktime to update]


Holy crap, I haven't heard anyone mention Quicktime for years. They still pushing that crapware?
 
2013-05-22 03:14:01 PM  

jjorsett: If you want no updates, you should be using Android.


That is the second funniest comment in the entire thread.
 
2013-05-22 03:21:16 PM  
fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net

this apple will need updating soon. they get brown pretty quick.
 
2013-05-22 03:37:29 PM  
FIF!
 
2013-05-22 04:16:35 PM  

Muta: Forced, unnecessary upgrades are annoying.


Senator McCain, is that you?

Seriously, how do you "know" that the upgrades is "unnecessary"? Do you work for Apple(Or any other software company)? Updates are there to fix bugs, patch security leaks, make the app work more smoothly, etc. You aren't going to get a fireworks show with each update. Hell, you might not even notice the difference, but they aren't updating things just to make you fill your Depends in frustration. Even when an app rolls out a "whole new look", there are usually a ton of behind the scenes fixes going on. Maybe you should try being grateful that the software companies are continually trying to improve their product. There are plenty where customer service is non-existent.

As far as "forced upgrades go, if that's really the case, maybe it's time to switch to Android. I can choose whether to update any app I want, when I want to, including most system updates. Of course, if Apple has the same policy, then you should really stop lying about the whole "forced update" thing.
 
2013-05-22 04:18:21 PM  
You know what makes me want to agree with Senator McCain?  Java updates.  And I freakin' work for Larry.
 
2013-05-22 04:24:56 PM  

Random Anonymous Blackmail: I have a feeling this is nothing more than a dog and pony show.


Yeah, I caught that same show last time I was down in Tijuana. Esmerelda was absolutely A(+)mazing!
 
2013-05-22 04:28:37 PM  

Molavian: tuna fingers: I used to be the biggest apple fan, but that was many many years ago. Like 20. They've changed a lot, and not in a good way. (I'm old).

What?  I've actually started going over to Apple products.  They used to be such weak sauce that I didn't consider them computers.  Now I run VMWare Fusion on my Mac and virtualize my work desktop.  It's pretty pimp.  I've done it on Windows and it's not quite as good.


Yeah, not impressed.. Whether it's VMWare, Paralells, BootCamp, all my laptop does is run hot enough to broil a leg of lamb and burn through hard drives. Not only that, but despite what people say, I can always tell that I'm on a VM. I have 6 GB of RAM, and have played with every possible balance of RAM between the OS and the VM, and none really work that well. Instead, I have a Windows laptop I bought used for $250 that works fine.
 
2013-05-22 04:30:41 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: As an American living overseas, I resent the fact that I have to pay taxes on my foreign earnings that I have to declare the balances of all my foreign bank accounts to the US Government.


Get used to it, it's the way it works for most countries. If you REALLY don't like it, you could renounce your American citizenship, but people have been playing the country hopping game for decades to try and find the right country to live in and the right one to claim citizenship in.
 
2013-05-22 04:38:45 PM  

Hobodeluxe: [fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net image 480x416]

this apple will need updating soon. they get brown pretty quick.


That's racist!!
 
2013-05-22 05:38:29 PM  
The solution to Android bossiness is to just go Android, and update you stuff when YOU feel like it.
 
2013-05-22 05:48:13 PM  

Why Would I Read the Article: Crotchrocket Slim: 1. So why not renounce that citizenship? Seems like you have no need to keep it. Then guess what whiner, you won't have to pay taxes to the US government.

2. Then why the hell haven't you renounced your US citizenship already Mr. Wants His Cake and Eat It Too? Also, I don't care how other nations do it, other nations don't have the political muscle flexed by the State Department to pull their citizens out of trouble either.

Guess what, decisions have consequences. Your decision to hold onto a citizenship you clearly don't use is what is obligating you to pay taxes to the US government.

If you're living in a foreign nation I'd say maybe your login is a little... misleading? I'll assume more "out of date" if you picked it up years ago before you decided to work in a foreign nation.

Holy farking shiat, stop talking.


Holy farking shiat at least offer a reason to hold onto US citizenship if you aren't using it instead of logging into an alt account.
 
2013-05-22 08:04:54 PM  
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-real-apple-tax-scandal-2013-05-2 2

This marketwatch article was really good. It laid out some great ideas that are heads and tails above Congressional ideas.
 
2013-05-22 11:46:52 PM  

xenophon10k: Wow, McCain's come along way with technology in the last 5 years.


Yeah, maybe in a few more years he'll get a -real- smartphone! :)

/tends to steer clear of anything beginning wit hthe letter i and is made by Apple
//-really- dislikes iTunes
 
2013-05-23 09:51:28 AM  

kbronsito: bedtundy: xenophon10k: Wow, McCain's come along way with technology in the last 5 years. Maybe he should give lessons to Gingrich.

You mean he's figured out how to get his phone to stop flashing  SUN 12:00 AM?

I sat next to him on a flight.... he was flying on coach. It was odd because I saw him in the waiting area and I was one of the last people to get a seat assigned... i figured I'd catch him sitting in first class, but when I didn't see him I got to my seat and there he was, flying coach. Maybe all of first class was sold, maybe he's to cheap to pay for his upgrade or maybe he's just trying to appear to be a man of the people. I was flying out AZ, so that gives him a big chance to seat next to contituents.

He spent most of the flight playing on his blackberry. I thougth about talking to him, but I was on my way back from Burning Man and looked like a no-good dirty hippie (I had showered at my hotel before the flight, but it takes a couple of showers to get all the playa dust out). I figured the old man probably didn't want to talk to a dirty hippie. I know my grandpa wouldn't have wanted to had he been sitting next to me. And the man did serve his country in 'nam and deserved a quiet flight if he wanted one.


Official travel is paid by their official accounts, and is reported annually. A number of news outlets compile and rank travel spending. Loathe be the member who is the most expensive traveler, thereby wasting taxpayer money on 1st class; reason #1 to fly coach.

Campaign travel is paid by the campaign, which needs that money for actual campaigning, not for extra legroom on a plane; reason #2 to fly coach.

They fly to their home districts/states almost every weekend, so they rack up enough FF miles to get upgraded regularly, so if you see one of them in 1st class, they probably got bumped there.

It used to be that travel wasn't reported. Those were the days of flying back every weekend on the private jets of whatever bigwig business buddies in the state had a plane.
 
2013-05-23 03:42:41 PM  
McCain's time has come and gone.  Unfortunately he is not irrelevant.  I will be doing my best to make him so come election time.  2nd CD Tucson.
 
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