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SoupJohnB: Bit'O'Gristle: reillan: skankboy: It is appears he was unarmed... Interesting....He was an MMA fighter. He's never unarmed./He's never unarmed. A law enforcement officer can use deadly force to protect himself and others, even if the suspect doesn't have a weapon. Such as, if there was a struggle for the officers weapon, or the suspect was tying to grab it, or go for another weapon, or, maybe in this case, the guy was a islamic fundie with bad ass fighting skills, your average officer had no hope of overcoming. If you are in a position where you have to defend yourself, and the suspect is seriously going to kick your ass and you have 0 hope of winning a fight due to his skills, yes, you can shoot the prick. Police officers in the line of duty have no reason or are bound by no law to back off from an arrest or a interview. If the suspect changes it to a violent confrontation, and he gets killed? His bad.That was my take, after reading the other link posted above. He gave the SA a good reason to fire his weapon./sf. that scene in "Indiana Jones," as long as we're referencing movies//y'all know the scene I mean
neversubmit: lantawa: neversubmit: Just another day in law enforcement. Then there is the story of the CA cops that beat off a guy close to death for asking them to read the ticket to him. You gotta laugh.They liked him that much?Say what?
JPSimonetti: Isn't there a point at which your body is legally considered a lethal weapon? I remember reading a story a long time ago about a golden glove boxer that killed some guy in a drunken brawl and he was charged with using a deadly weapon. Would that justify lethal force by law enforcement? I don't know.
Rapmaster2000: Chechnya and may have been heading back to the lawless Russian region today.That's a strange bit of editorializing.
JPSimonetti: Isn't there a point at which your body is legally considered a lethal weapon? I remember reading a story a long time ago about a golden glove boxer an Army Ranger that killed some guy in a drunken brawl and he was charged with using a deadly weapon. Would that justify lethal force by law enforcement? I don't know.
phyrkrakr: Magnus: Depends on where the interview takes place. If the FBI comes to you home to do an interview, they have no authority to do a pat down. If you go to their office, they can since it is FBI property. If they do a field interview with no probable cause that you have engaged in any criminal activity, no they cannot.I'm pretty sure the police can pat you down any time they talk to you. Maybe not if they come to your house or other private building, but if a cop stops you on the street to "chat" with you, they can pat you down for their safety. Pretty bullshiat to me, but that's always been my take on it.How does that square even a little bit with the 4th Amendment? I think they can ask and you can refuse, but they don't handle rejection well.They can ask. You can refuse. And that could possibly be used as rationalization of their probable cause. It hopefully wouldn't pass a court review, but it happens all the time and courts tend to give LE lots of leeway in their discretion. Ain't that a helluva Catch-22?Basically, what you guys are talking about is the Terry standard and its extension over the years. The cops can search you when a) they think you've been committing or are going to commit a crime and b) they think you could be armed and dangerous. So there has to be a reasonable suspicion for the stop, and then a reasonable suspicion for the frisk in a stop and frisk. The most recent case on this is Arizona v. Johnson from 2009.So, to clarify, the cop can't just harass you on the street for no reason, he has to think you're up to something. Then he has to think you're armed and dangerous, and then he can only do a surface pat-down to make sure you're not carrying a knife or a gun. When the cop comes to your house, his rights are even more restricted. He can't come inside without your consent, he can't search without your consent, and you don't have to talk to him. Hell, he can't even arrest you without a warrant at your house (but he sure ...
Jeez, dude had a face only a blind mother could love.
neversubmit: Just another day in law enforcement. Then there is the story of the CA cops that beat off a guy close to death for asking them to read the ticket to him. You gotta laugh.
Pumpernickel bread: Lets see... an MMA fighter that beat a guy unconscious over a parking spot and "flipped out" while being interviewed. Roid rage maybe?
nekom: Pretty bizarre twist. It will be interesting to see if this goes anywhere. Also, what IS American law enforcement's fascination with shooting unarmed people?
darth_badger: Gonna make questioning him kind of hard there Lou.
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