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2013-05-22 09:52:10 AM  

skankboy: PC LOAD LETTER: Conspiracy theories start with and are bolstered by poor journalism.

From what I understand there are reports coming in that the suspect was hatless, I repeat, hatless.


www.whatwouldthembido.com

"Gotta keep your head covered and wear your hat
to avoid all the noise that destroys the black
or they take you out, one by one. "
 
2013-05-22 09:52:21 AM  

Bit'O'Gristle: reillan: skankboy: It is appears he was unarmed... Interesting....

He was an MMA fighter.  He's never unarmed.

/He's never unarmed. A law enforcement officer can use deadly force to protect himself and others, even if the suspect doesn't have a weapon. Such as, if there was a struggle for the officers weapon, or the suspect was tying to grab it, or go for another weapon, or, maybe in this case, the guy was a islamic fundie with bad ass fighting skills, your average officer had no hope of overcoming. If you are in a position where you have to defend yourself, and the suspect is seriously going to kick your ass and you have 0 hope of winning a fight due to his skills, yes, you can shoot the prick. Police officers in the line of duty have no reason or are bound by no law to back off from an arrest or a interview. If the suspect changes it to a violent confrontation, and he gets killed? His bad.


That was my take, after reading the other link posted above.  He gave the SA a good reason to fire his weapon.

/sf. that scene in "Indiana Jones," as long as we're referencing movies

//y'all know the scene I mean
 
2013-05-22 09:53:57 AM  
StoPPeRmobile:


People should know when they are conquered.

Would you know, Quintus?  Would I?
 
2013-05-22 09:55:19 AM  
He was Dornered.
 
2013-05-22 09:55:52 AM  
Good
 
2013-05-22 09:57:39 AM  

nekom: Pretty bizarre twist.  It will be interesting to see if this goes anywhere.  Also, what IS American law enforcement's fascination with shooting unarmed people?


We seem to take the "Let God sort them out" style of interrogation.
 
2013-05-22 09:57:54 AM  
Any more questions about who won the War on Terror, loser?
 
2013-05-22 10:00:41 AM  

king_nacho: skankboy: king_nacho: skankboy: It is appears he was unarmed... Interesting....

uh, where did you read he was unarmed?

uh, he was being interviewed for hours by the FBI.  You don't think they do a pat down?

uhhhhhh

uhhh

I don't know how the FBI handle interviews in a persons' home so I don't know if they pat them down or not, or if they search every couch cushion to make sure there isn't a knitting needle nearby that could be used as a weapon. So far the only info says there was a violent confrontation, the FBI agent sustained non life threatening injuries and the person they were questioning is dead.


It would appear that the FBIs are getting enough range time.
Maybe a little work on interview skills,,,
 
2013-05-22 10:01:07 AM  
Do what the police say or you too will become a Boston Marathon bombing suspect.
 
2013-05-22 10:01:55 AM  

Rapmaster2000: Chechnya and may have been heading back to the lawless Russian region today.

That's a strange bit of editorializing.


Not only that, but some lawless regions are better than others.

Lawless region 1:

thefatguy.com

Lawless region 2:

3.bp.blogspot.com

I'd much rather visit Lawless Region 1.
 
2013-05-22 10:02:34 AM  

Theaetetus: Pick: Good! Saved the taxpayer's a ton of money.

Saved the taxpayer's what?


Paging Bob the Angry Flower... Bob the Angry Flower, please pick up the white courtesy phone...
 
2013-05-22 10:03:01 AM  
indianajonesvsspinnyscimitardudereplacedbybrucelee.jpg

// shoop it yerselves
 
2013-05-22 10:04:15 AM  

Bit'O'Gristle: reillan: skankboy: It is appears he was unarmed... Interesting....

He was an MMA fighter.  He's never unarmed.

/He's never unarmed. A law enforcement officer can use deadly force to protect himself and others, even if the suspect doesn't have a weapon. Such as, if there was a struggle for the officers weapon, or the suspect was tying to grab it, or go for another weapon, or, maybe in this case, the guy was a islamic fundie with bad ass fighting skills, your average officer had no hope of overcoming. If you are in a position where you have to defend yourself, and the suspect is seriously going to kick your ass and you have 0 hope of winning a fight due to his skills, yes, you can shoot the prick. Police officers in the line of duty have no reason or are bound by no law to back off from an arrest or a interview. If the suspect changes it to a violent confrontation, and he gets killed? His bad.




THEY'RE COMING RIGHT AT US!!
 
2013-05-22 10:06:31 AM  
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-05-22 10:10:09 AM  

F22raptom: JPSimonetti: Isn't there a point at which your body is legally considered a lethal weapon? I remember reading a story a long time ago about a golden glove boxer that killed some guy in a drunken brawl and he was charged with using a deadly weapon. Would that justify lethal force by law enforcement? I don't know.

no


Although there are jurisdictions where they'll bend the law pretty hard...for example, you kick a guy when he's down, they charge with assault with a deadly weapon...your shoe.
 
2013-05-22 10:11:10 AM  
I'm not going to speak as to whether this was or was not justified, but it did make me wonder what percent of shooting deaths in this country are at the hands of police.
 
2013-05-22 10:12:09 AM  
My completely uninformed and spurious guess is that this guy was already unstable and prone to violence, based on the fact that he committed some serious unlicensed fist dentistry on man over a parking space.

When you take someone that unstable and apply large amounts of psychological pressure, like an FBI interrogation, you are probably more likely to see a spectacular blow out then get the desired results.

My Guess is that the agents shifted from "friendly" questions to hardball, throwing around words like "Obstruction" and threatened him with jail time if he didn't start answering their questions; and he panicked and did the first thing that came to mind which was punch the problem until it goes away.
 
2013-05-22 10:12:23 AM  

Famous Thamas: reillan: skankboy: It is appears he was unarmed... Interesting....

He was an MMA fighter.  He's never unarmed.

I've known plenty of "MMA" fighters that couldn't get out of a wet paper bag if they had to.  I think the media calls everyone who is enrolled in a martial arts school these days "MMA" fighters.  Just like every gun is an AK-47, every martial artist is an "MMA" fighter.


Heh...his mixed martial arts were crochet, ikebana, and a two-hour judo class...
 
2013-05-22 10:13:21 AM  
Just another day in law enforcement. Then there is the story of the CA cops that beat off a guy close to death for asking them to read the ticket to him. You gotta laugh.
 
2013-05-22 10:16:22 AM  
"Yew gonna githcer ass shot off, terr'ist boy."
 
2013-05-22 10:16:46 AM  

neversubmit: Just another day in law enforcement. Then there is the story of the CA cops that beat off a guy close to death for asking them to read the ticket to him. You gotta laugh.


They liked him that much?
 
2013-05-22 10:17:23 AM  

Pumpernickel bread: Lets see... an MMA fighter that beat a guy unconscious over a parking spot and "flipped out" while being interviewed.  Roid rage maybe?




More like...
si0.twimg.com
 
2013-05-22 10:17:45 AM  

lantawa: neversubmit: Just another day in law enforcement. Then there is the story of the CA cops that beat off a guy close to death for asking them to read the ticket to him. You gotta laugh.

They liked him that much?


Say what?
 
2013-05-22 10:19:03 AM  

encyclopediaplushuman: Frankly, media, I don't give a damn.

inb4 conspiracy nuts


Heh, I'm gonna wander over to FreeRepublic, see how they're spinning this.

Brb.
 
2013-05-22 10:20:42 AM  

neversubmit: lantawa: neversubmit: Just another day in law enforcement. Then there is the story of the CA cops that beat off a guy close to death for asking them to read the ticket to him. You gotta laugh.

They liked him that much?

Say what?


Just in case it wasn't obvious.

/Death by manual snu-snu?
 
2013-05-22 10:21:00 AM  
media.tumblr.com
 
2013-05-22 10:21:18 AM  
Was he holding a bag of skittles and some ice tea?

/too soon?
//don't like where the story was going, not to sound conspiracy nut level
 
2013-05-22 10:21:48 AM  
Well, that was disappointing...basically one guy saying "how convenient".
 
2013-05-22 10:24:00 AM  

dittybopper: neversubmit: lantawa: neversubmit: Just another day in law enforcement. Then there is the story of the CA cops that beat off a guy close to death for asking them to read the ticket to him. You gotta laugh.

They liked him that much?

Say what?

Just in case it wasn't obvious.

/Death by manual snu-snu?


Oh hell! I face palmed in real life.
 
2013-05-22 10:25:49 AM  

neversubmit: Just another day in law enforcement. Then there is the story of the CA cops that beat off a guy close to death for asking them to read the ticket to him. You gotta laugh.


Was it this guy?
quotetheshow.com
 
2013-05-22 10:41:34 AM  
encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
 
2013-05-22 10:43:11 AM  

Bit'O'Gristle: /He's never unarmed. A law enforcement officer can use deadly force to protect himself and others, even if the suspect doesn't have a weapon. Such as, if there was a struggle for the officers weapon, or the suspect was tying to grab it, or go for another weapon, or, maybe in this case, the guy was a islamic fundie with bad ass fighting skills, your average officer had no hope of overcoming. If you are in a position where you have to defend yourself, and the suspect is seriously going to kick your ass and you have 0 hope of winning a fight due to his skills, yes, you can shoot the prick. Police officers in the line of duty have no reason or are bound by no law to back off from an arrest or a interview. If the suspect changes it to a violent confrontation, and he gets killed? His bad.


This.  There's also the fact that a LEO is armed and thus any fight involves a weapon.  If a LEO loses a fight they probably die so they're going to shoot if it looks like they're going to lose.

Pumpernickel bread: Lets see... an MMA fighter that beat a guy unconscious over a parking spot and "flipped out" while being interviewed. Roid rage maybe?


I think you nailed it.

Chameleon: I'm not going to speak as to whether this was or was not justified, but it did make me wonder what percent of shooting deaths in this country are at the hands of police.


Last I knew, a few percent.
 
2013-05-22 10:43:28 AM  

skankboy: It is appears he was unarmed... Interesting....


NBC reporting he had a knife.
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/22/18418012-man-with-ties-to -b oston-bombing-suspect-shot-during-fbi-questioning?lite

I think a few pieces are missing and speculation is filling the void.
 
2013-05-22 10:43:42 AM  

RedPhoenix122: JPSimonetti: Isn't there a point at which your body is legally considered a lethal weapon? I remember reading a story a long time ago about a golden glove boxer an Army Ranger that killed some guy in a drunken brawl and he was charged with using a deadly weapon. Would that justify lethal force by law enforcement? I don't know.

And now you have the plot of Con Air


HA!  You would be CORRECT, sir.
 
2013-05-22 10:48:54 AM  

Pick: Good! Saved the taxpayer's a ton of money.


Most successful trolling I have seen in a while.

11/10
 
2013-05-22 10:49:17 AM  

Odd Bird: skankboy: It is appears he was unarmed... Interesting....

NBC reporting he had a knife.
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/22/18418012-man-with-ties-to -b oston-bombing-suspect-shot-during-fbi-questioning?lite

I think a few pieces are missing and speculation is filling the void.


If he had a knife, that changes the story drastically.  Attacking a police officer with a knife is suicidally foolish.
 
2013-05-22 10:50:36 AM  

skankboy: king_nacho: skankboy: It is appears he was unarmed... Interesting....

uh, where did you read he was unarmed?

uh, he was being interviewed for hours by the FBI.  You don't think they do a pat down?

uhhhhhh

uhhh


Depends on where the interview takes place.  If the FBI comes to you home to do an interview, they have no authority to do a pat down.  If you go to their office, they can since it is FBI property.  If they do a field interview with no probable cause that you have engaged in any criminal activity, no they cannot.
 
2013-05-22 10:50:42 AM  

IdBeCrazyIf: Famous Thamas: I've known plenty of "MMA" fighters that couldn't get out of a wet paper bag if they had to. I think the media calls everyone who is enrolled in a martial arts school these days "MMA" fighters. Just like every gun is an AK-47, every martial artist is an "MMA" fighter.

I sat through a martial arts class once for those people and thought "Wow, these guys suck"

I mean the instructor obviously knew his shiat, but 2/3 of the rest of those people there. They genuinely sucked


You think that might have had something to do with why they were seeking instruction?
 
2013-05-22 10:52:23 AM  

Son of Thunder: IdBeCrazyIf: Famous Thamas: I've known plenty of "MMA" fighters that couldn't get out of a wet paper bag if they had to. I think the media calls everyone who is enrolled in a martial arts school these days "MMA" fighters. Just like every gun is an AK-47, every martial artist is an "MMA" fighter.

I sat through a martial arts class once for those people and thought "Wow, these guys suck"

I mean the instructor obviously knew his shiat, but 2/3 of the rest of those people there. They genuinely sucked

You think that might have had something to do with why they were seeking instruction?


True,but you would assume people who go 3 to 5 days a week for years on end would get better
 
2013-05-22 10:53:02 AM  

nekom: Odd Bird: skankboy: It is appears he was unarmed... Interesting....

NBC reporting he had a knife.
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/22/18418012-man-with-ties-to -b oston-bombing-suspect-shot-during-fbi-questioning?lite

I think a few pieces are missing and speculation is filling the void.

If he had a knife, that changes the story drastically.  Attacking a police officer with a knife is suicidally foolish.


I fought the law, and the law won...
 
2013-05-22 10:53:04 AM  

SoupJohnB: Bit'O'Gristle: reillan: skankboy: It is appears he was unarmed... Interesting....

He was an MMA fighter.  He's never unarmed.

/He's never unarmed. A law enforcement officer can use deadly force to protect himself and others, even if the suspect doesn't have a weapon. Such as, if there was a struggle for the officers weapon, or the suspect was tying to grab it, or go for another weapon, or, maybe in this case, the guy was a islamic fundie with bad ass fighting skills, your average officer had no hope of overcoming. If you are in a position where you have to defend yourself, and the suspect is seriously going to kick your ass and you have 0 hope of winning a fight due to his skills, yes, you can shoot the prick. Police officers in the line of duty have no reason or are bound by no law to back off from an arrest or a interview. If the suspect changes it to a violent confrontation, and he gets killed? His bad.

That was my take, after reading the other link posted above.  He gave the SA a good reason to fire his weapon.

/sf. that scene in "Indiana Jones," as long as we're referencing movies

//y'all know the scene I mean


It's the one with the fridge, right? Man what a great scene.
 
2013-05-22 10:55:05 AM  

Magnus: RedPhoenix122: JPSimonetti: Isn't there a point at which your body is legally considered a lethal weapon? I remember reading a story a long time ago about a golden glove boxer an Army Ranger that killed some guy in a drunken brawl and he was charged with using a deadly weapon. Would that justify lethal force by law enforcement? I don't know.

And now you have the plot of Con Air

HA!  You would be CORRECT, sir.


Oh BS. That in NO way resembles the plot if Con Air, and you are a stupid stupid person for saying so.

Con Air was about a bunny that should have been left in the box.
 
2013-05-22 10:59:53 AM  
Son of Thunder:  Con Air was about a bunny that should have been left in the box.

I thought it was a hair dryer...
 
2013-05-22 11:04:06 AM  

Magnus: skankboy: king_nacho: skankboy: It is appears he was unarmed... Interesting....

uh, where did you read he was unarmed?

uh, he was being interviewed for hours by the FBI.  You don't think they do a pat down?

uhhhhhh

uhhh

Depends on where the interview takes place.  If the FBI comes to you home to do an interview, they have no authority to do a pat down.  If you go to their office, they can since it is FBI property.  If they do a field interview with no probable cause that you have engaged in any criminal activity, no they cannot.


I'm pretty sure the police can pat you down any time they talk to you.  Maybe not if they come to your house or other private building, but if a cop stops you on the street to "chat" with you, they can pat you down for their safety.  Pretty bullshiat to me, but that's always been my take on it.
 
2013-05-22 11:07:31 AM  

PunGent: Well, that was disappointing...basically one guy saying "how convenient".


This will feed the conspiracy frenzy. Give it time
 
2013-05-22 11:08:51 AM  

Jeez, dude had a face only a blind mother could love.



www.boston.com
 
2013-05-22 11:10:02 AM  

CrazyCracka420: Magnus: skankboy: king_nacho: skankboy: It is appears he was unarmed... Interesting....

uh, where did you read he was unarmed?

uh, he was being interviewed for hours by the FBI.  You don't think they do a pat down?

uhhhhhh

uhhh

Depends on where the interview takes place.  If the FBI comes to you home to do an interview, they have no authority to do a pat down.  If you go to their office, they can since it is FBI property.  If they do a field interview with no probable cause that you have engaged in any criminal activity, no they cannot.

I'm pretty sure the police can pat you down any time they talk to you.  Maybe not if they come to your house or other private building, but if a cop stops you on the street to "chat" with you, they can pat you down for their safety.  Pretty bullshiat to me, but that's always been my take on it.


How does that square even a little bit with the 4th Amendment? I think they can ask and you can refuse, but they don't handle rejection well.
 
2013-05-22 11:10:18 AM  

reillan: skankboy: It is appears he was unarmed... Interesting....

He was an MMA fighter.  He's never unarmed.


and the FBI are banned from calling backup or using a stun gun.
TRUE STORY
NO REALLY THIS IS A FACT

/FFS - this is a SARCASM INDICATOR. IF I HAD BEEN TELLING THE TRUTH, I WOULD NOT HAVE NEEDED ALL CAPS.
 
2013-05-22 11:11:19 AM  
The Agent in question.

forum.thesimpson.it
 
2013-05-22 11:11:58 AM  

IdBeCrazyIf: Son of Thunder: IdBeCrazyIf: Famous Thamas: I've known plenty of "MMA" fighters that couldn't get out of a wet paper bag if they had to. I think the media calls everyone who is enrolled in a martial arts school these days "MMA" fighters. Just like every gun is an AK-47, every martial artist is an "MMA" fighter.

I sat through a martial arts class once for those people and thought "Wow, these guys suck"

I mean the instructor obviously knew his shiat, but 2/3 of the rest of those people there. They genuinely sucked

You think that might have had something to do with why they were seeking instruction?

True,but you would assume people who go 3 to 5 days a week for years on end would get better


I've been doing martial arts since '95, and the skill levels in most MA schools looks like a pyramid. There will be a large number of beginners who signed up because they (trad MA) saw an awesome kung fu film, or (MMA) watch UFC. These people will be terrible, and most of them will be gone in less than a year (turns out it's actually hard work getting good, and getting whupped up by senior students is rough on the ego) to be replaced by other beginners. A moderate number will stick around and make it to an intermediate level of skill, which can best be described as "less terrible than they used to be". A mere handful will put in the time and effort to become top-level students.

Now, I am not denying that the popularity of UFC has caused a surge in BS "MMA" schools, exactly as we saw a surge in BS "kung fu" instructors in the 70s and BS "ninjas" in the 80s. But just going by your comment, what you describe is typical.
 
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