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2013-05-22 09:21:02 AM
It is appears he was unarmed... Interesting....
 
2013-05-22 09:21:06 AM
img.pandawhale.com
 
2013-05-22 09:21:33 AM

skankboy: It is appears he was unarmed... Interesting....


He was an MMA fighter.  He's never unarmed.
 
2013-05-22 09:22:21 AM
Isn't there a point at which your body is legally considered a lethal weapon? I remember reading a story a long time ago about a golden glove boxer that killed some guy in a drunken brawl and he was charged with using a deadly weapon. Would that justify lethal force by law enforcement? I don't know.
 
2013-05-22 09:22:30 AM
Frankly, media, I don't give a damn.

inb4 conspiracy nuts
 
2013-05-22 09:23:25 AM

encyclopediaplushuman: Frankly, media, I don't give a damn.

inb4 conspiracy nuts


It is a weird story, though.
 
2013-05-22 09:24:09 AM
he wasnt a suspect was he?
 
2013-05-22 09:24:11 AM
Chechnya and may have been heading back to the lawless Russian region today.

That's a strange bit of editorializing.
 
2013-05-22 09:24:15 AM

JPSimonetti: Isn't there a point at which your body is legally considered a lethal weapon? I remember reading a story a long time ago about a golden glove boxer that killed some guy in a drunken brawl and he was charged with using a deadly weapon. Would that justify lethal force by law enforcement? I don't know.


no
 
2013-05-22 09:24:22 AM
Gonna make questioning him kind of hard there Lou.
 
2013-05-22 09:25:38 AM
"Oh man, I'm glad you're here. I think I finally pieced together a pretty solid case for this whole thing being put together to take away essential Americ*BLAM*"
 
2013-05-22 09:25:54 AM
From the comments:
 "Would that be an admission of guilt by the not so dearly departed and an indication that there was more involved in this plot than a couple rogue chechens as the obozo regime and his minions would have us believe?"

Just imagine having a mind like that. And despair.
 
2013-05-22 09:26:26 AM

darth_badger: Gonna make questioning him kind of hard there Lou.


"His name was...Julio Iglesias!"

lucasflight.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-05-22 09:26:37 AM
Conspiracy theories start with and are bolstered by poor journalism.
 
2013-05-22 09:27:00 AM

JPSimonetti: Isn't there a point at which your body is legally considered a lethal weapon? I remember reading a story a long time ago about a golden glove boxer an Army Ranger that killed some guy in a drunken brawl and he was charged with using a deadly weapon. Would that justify lethal force by law enforcement? I don't know.


And now you have the plot of Con Air
 
2013-05-22 09:27:44 AM

PC LOAD LETTER: Conspiracy theories start with and are bolstered by poor journalism.


But we have to fill the news cycles with something, otherwise we can't have 24/7 news!
 
2013-05-22 09:27:59 AM
a suspect has been shot in Orlando by an agent "conducting official duties"

i guess execution is now an official duty
 
2013-05-22 09:28:10 AM

PC LOAD LETTER: Conspiracy theories start with and are bolstered by poor journalism.


From what I understand there are reports coming in that the suspect was hatless, I repeat, hatless.
 
2013-05-22 09:29:35 AM

skankboy: It is appears he was unarmed... Interesting....


uh, where did you read he was unarmed?
 
2013-05-22 09:29:46 AM

Rapmaster2000: Chechnya and may have been heading back to the lawless Russian region today.

That's a strange bit of editorializing.


Just a tad yellow, no?
 
2013-05-22 09:29:54 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: PC LOAD LETTER: Conspiracy theories start with and are bolstered by poor journalism.

But we have to fill the news cycles with something, otherwise we can't have 24/7 news!


This just in, cute kittens playing with puppy in new viral video.
 
2013-05-22 09:30:43 AM

Rapmaster2000: Chechnya and may have been heading back to the lawless Russian region today.

That's a strange bit of editorializing.



Why?  I LOVED Xena, Warrior Princess.
 
2013-05-22 09:30:51 AM

F22raptom: JPSimonetti: Isn't there a point at which your body is legally considered a lethal weapon? I remember reading a story a long time ago about a golden glove boxer that killed some guy in a drunken brawl and he was charged with using a deadly weapon. Would that justify lethal force by law enforcement? I don't know.

no


De La Hoya once said on The Rome Show that his hands were registered deadly weapons, because of his punching power, he could kill a man.

I laughed.  Then a year or two later, the drag photos popped up on the web.  I laughed harder.

Off topic, but whatever.
 
2013-05-22 09:30:55 AM
 
2013-05-22 09:31:41 AM

reillan: skankboy: It is appears he was unarmed... Interesting....

He was an MMA fighter.  He's never unarmed.


I've known plenty of "MMA" fighters that couldn't get out of a wet paper bag if they had to.  I think the media calls everyone who is enrolled in a martial arts school these days "MMA" fighters.  Just like every gun is an AK-47, every martial artist is an "MMA" fighter.
 
2013-05-22 09:32:05 AM
Why the Florida tag for a Boston Herald story.

When Joe Dweasel calls Chechnya a lawless Russian region as an aside you figger he's been snorting that tabloid ink again.

His interesting angle that it was an FBI hit is about all he's got going.
 
2013-05-22 09:32:12 AM

JPSimonetti: Isn't there a point at which your body is legally considered a lethal weapon? I remember reading a story a long time ago about a golden glove boxer that killed some guy in a drunken brawl and he was charged with using a deadly weapon. Would that justify lethal force by law enforcement? I don't know.


dorkshelf.com
 
2013-05-22 09:32:30 AM

Famous Thamas: reillan: skankboy: It is appears he was unarmed... Interesting....

He was an MMA fighter.  He's never unarmed.

I've known plenty of "MMA" fighters that couldn't get out of a wet paper bag if they had to.  I think the media calls everyone who is enrolled in a martial arts school these days "MMA" fighters.  Just like every gun is an AK-47, every martial artist is an "MMA" fighter.


That was part of my point ;)
 
2013-05-22 09:32:36 AM
Good! Saved the taxpayer's a ton of money.
 
2013-05-22 09:34:07 AM

Rapmaster2000: Chechnya and may have been heading back to the lawless Russian region today.

That's a strange bit of editorializing.


That's what is known as objective reporting these days.
 
2013-05-22 09:34:43 AM

BitwiseShift: Why the Florida tag for a Boston Herald story.

When Joe Dweasel calls Chechnya a lawless Russian region as an aside you figger he's been snorting that tabloid ink again.

His interesting angle that it was an FBI hit is about all he's got going.


prolly cause it happened in Florida
 
2013-05-22 09:35:14 AM

Pick: Good! Saved the taxpayer's a ton of money.


Except that in general death penalty cases cost the taxpayers two to four times as much compared to life imprisonment cases.
 
2013-05-22 09:35:14 AM

Pick: Good! Saved the taxpayer's a ton of money.


Saved the taxpayer's what?
 
2013-05-22 09:35:39 AM

reillan: skankboy: It is appears he was unarmed... Interesting....

He was an MMA fighter.  He's never unarmed.




/He's never unarmed. A law enforcement officer can use deadly force to protect himself and others, even if the suspect doesn't have a weapon. Such as, if there was a struggle for the officers weapon, or the suspect was tying to grab it, or go for another weapon, or, maybe in this case, the guy was a islamic fundie with bad ass fighting skills, your average officer had no hope of overcoming. If you are in a position where you have to defend yourself, and the suspect is seriously going to kick your ass and you have 0 hope of winning a fight due to his skills, yes, you can shoot the prick. Police officers in the line of duty have no reason or are bound by no law to back off from an arrest or a interview. If the suspect changes it to a violent confrontation, and he gets killed? His bad.
 
2013-05-22 09:35:47 AM
Oddly written story, and the Weeners immediately brings the derp
 
2013-05-22 09:36:00 AM

Famous Thamas: I've known plenty of "MMA" fighters that couldn't get out of a wet paper bag if they had to. I think the media calls everyone who is enrolled in a martial arts school these days "MMA" fighters. Just like every gun is an AK-47, every martial artist is an "MMA" fighter.


I sat through a martial arts class once for those people and thought "Wow, these guys suck"

I mean the instructor obviously knew his shiat, but 2/3 of the rest of those people there. They genuinely sucked
 
2013-05-22 09:36:21 AM
Pretty bizarre twist.  It will be interesting to see if this goes anywhere.  Also, what IS American law enforcement's fascination with shooting unarmed people?
 
2013-05-22 09:37:46 AM

Scorpius.Raven: Oddly written story, and the Weeners immediately brings the derp


Yay filter, I forgot about you.

/meant the prima opinionating on the linked article
 
2013-05-22 09:38:11 AM

king_nacho: skankboy: It is appears he was unarmed... Interesting....

uh, where did you read he was unarmed?


uh, he was being interviewed for hours by the FBI.  You don't think they do a pat down?

uhhhhhh

uhhh
 
2013-05-22 09:38:19 AM

Pick: Good! Saved the taxpayer's a ton of money.


Best hope that you never stand wrongly or falsely accused of something.
 
2013-05-22 09:38:56 AM

F22raptom: JPSimonetti: Isn't there a point at which your body is legally considered a lethal weapon? I remember reading a story a long time ago about a golden glove boxer that killed some guy in a drunken brawl and he was charged with using a deadly weapon. Would that justify lethal force by law enforcement? I don't know.

no


I would agree with you, but you're wrong.  If there is a huge difference in size between the officer and the violent suspect, and the officer has NO chance of winning a fight, and are in fear of their lives, yes, they can use lethal force. Or, and im guessing here, if the suspect has mad fighting skills that over match the officers, and he fears for his life, well, bye. It's happened before, will happen again, and the courts uphold the officer shooting someone who can overcome them.
 
2013-05-22 09:39:51 AM
It's not the media calling him an MMA fighter, it's how he represented himself to his buddy. This turd left a guy toothless and unconscious over a freaking parking space, I'd think the law enforcement officer had every reason to shoot him if he felt threatened.
 
2013-05-22 09:40:22 AM

nekom: Pretty bizarre twist.  It will be interesting to see if this goes anywhere.  Also, what IS American law enforcement's fascination with shooting unarmed people?


They make easy practice targets?
 
2013-05-22 09:40:45 AM

skankboy: It is appears he was unarmed... Interesting....


He was coming right at him.
 
2013-05-22 09:45:27 AM

vudukungfu: skankboy: It is appears he was unarmed... Interesting....

He was coming right at him.


The suspect was armed with a frying pan so it was an even match
 
2013-05-22 09:45:54 AM

Bit'O'Gristle: reillan: skankboy: It is appears he was unarmed... Interesting....

He was an MMA fighter.  He's never unarmed.

/He's never unarmed. A law enforcement officer can use deadly force to protect himself and others, even if the suspect doesn't have a weapon. Such as, if there was a struggle for the officers weapon, or the suspect was tying to grab it, or go for another weapon, or, maybe in this case, the guy was a islamic fundie with bad ass fighting skills, your average officer had no hope of overcoming. If you are in a position where you have to defend yourself, and the suspect is seriously going to kick your ass and you have 0 hope of winning a fight due to his skills, yes, you can shoot the prick. Police officers in the line of duty have no reason or are bound by no law to back off from an arrest or a interview. If the suspect changes it to a violent confrontation, and he gets killed? His bad.




People should know when they are conquered.
 
2013-05-22 09:47:41 AM
Lets see... an MMA fighter that beat a guy unconscious over a parking spot and "flipped out" while being interviewed.  Roid rage maybe?
 
2013-05-22 09:49:11 AM
The FBI in Florida confirmed to the Herald this morning that the suspect, now identified as Ibragim Todashev, has been shot in Orlando by an agent "conducting official duties."

dl.dropboxusercontent.com
 
2013-05-22 09:50:31 AM

StoPPeRmobile: Bit'O'Gristle: reillan: skankboy: It is appears he was unarmed... Interesting....

He was an MMA fighter.  He's never unarmed.

/He's never unarmed. A law enforcement officer can use deadly force to protect himself and others, even if the suspect doesn't have a weapon. Such as, if there was a struggle for the officers weapon, or the suspect was tying to grab it, or go for another weapon, or, maybe in this case, the guy was a islamic fundie with bad ass fighting skills, your average officer had no hope of overcoming. If you are in a position where you have to defend yourself, and the suspect is seriously going to kick your ass and you have 0 hope of winning a fight due to his skills, yes, you can shoot the prick. Police officers in the line of duty have no reason or are bound by no law to back off from an arrest or a interview. If the suspect changes it to a violent confrontation, and he gets killed? His bad.

People should know when they are conquered.


lol
 
2013-05-22 09:50:58 AM

skankboy: king_nacho: skankboy: It is appears he was unarmed... Interesting....

uh, where did you read he was unarmed?

uh, he was being interviewed for hours by the FBI.  You don't think they do a pat down?

uhhhhhh

uhhh


I don't know how the FBI handle interviews in a persons' home so I don't know if they pat them down or not, or if they search every couch cushion to make sure there isn't a knitting needle nearby that could be used as a weapon. So far the only info says there was a violent confrontation, the FBI agent sustained non life threatening injuries and the person they were questioning is dead.
 
2013-05-22 09:52:10 AM

skankboy: PC LOAD LETTER: Conspiracy theories start with and are bolstered by poor journalism.

From what I understand there are reports coming in that the suspect was hatless, I repeat, hatless.


www.whatwouldthembido.com

"Gotta keep your head covered and wear your hat
to avoid all the noise that destroys the black
or they take you out, one by one. "
 
2013-05-22 09:52:21 AM

Bit'O'Gristle: reillan: skankboy: It is appears he was unarmed... Interesting....

He was an MMA fighter.  He's never unarmed.

/He's never unarmed. A law enforcement officer can use deadly force to protect himself and others, even if the suspect doesn't have a weapon. Such as, if there was a struggle for the officers weapon, or the suspect was tying to grab it, or go for another weapon, or, maybe in this case, the guy was a islamic fundie with bad ass fighting skills, your average officer had no hope of overcoming. If you are in a position where you have to defend yourself, and the suspect is seriously going to kick your ass and you have 0 hope of winning a fight due to his skills, yes, you can shoot the prick. Police officers in the line of duty have no reason or are bound by no law to back off from an arrest or a interview. If the suspect changes it to a violent confrontation, and he gets killed? His bad.


That was my take, after reading the other link posted above.  He gave the SA a good reason to fire his weapon.

/sf. that scene in "Indiana Jones," as long as we're referencing movies

//y'all know the scene I mean
 
2013-05-22 09:53:57 AM
StoPPeRmobile:


People should know when they are conquered.

Would you know, Quintus?  Would I?
 
2013-05-22 09:55:19 AM
He was Dornered.
 
2013-05-22 09:55:52 AM
Good
 
2013-05-22 09:57:39 AM

nekom: Pretty bizarre twist.  It will be interesting to see if this goes anywhere.  Also, what IS American law enforcement's fascination with shooting unarmed people?


We seem to take the "Let God sort them out" style of interrogation.
 
2013-05-22 09:57:54 AM
Any more questions about who won the War on Terror, loser?
 
2013-05-22 10:00:41 AM

king_nacho: skankboy: king_nacho: skankboy: It is appears he was unarmed... Interesting....

uh, where did you read he was unarmed?

uh, he was being interviewed for hours by the FBI.  You don't think they do a pat down?

uhhhhhh

uhhh

I don't know how the FBI handle interviews in a persons' home so I don't know if they pat them down or not, or if they search every couch cushion to make sure there isn't a knitting needle nearby that could be used as a weapon. So far the only info says there was a violent confrontation, the FBI agent sustained non life threatening injuries and the person they were questioning is dead.


It would appear that the FBIs are getting enough range time.
Maybe a little work on interview skills,,,
 
2013-05-22 10:01:07 AM
Do what the police say or you too will become a Boston Marathon bombing suspect.
 
2013-05-22 10:01:55 AM

Rapmaster2000: Chechnya and may have been heading back to the lawless Russian region today.

That's a strange bit of editorializing.


Not only that, but some lawless regions are better than others.

Lawless region 1:

thefatguy.com

Lawless region 2:

3.bp.blogspot.com

I'd much rather visit Lawless Region 1.
 
2013-05-22 10:02:34 AM

Theaetetus: Pick: Good! Saved the taxpayer's a ton of money.

Saved the taxpayer's what?


Paging Bob the Angry Flower... Bob the Angry Flower, please pick up the white courtesy phone...
 
2013-05-22 10:03:01 AM
indianajonesvsspinnyscimitardudereplacedbybrucelee.jpg

// shoop it yerselves
 
2013-05-22 10:04:15 AM

Bit'O'Gristle: reillan: skankboy: It is appears he was unarmed... Interesting....

He was an MMA fighter.  He's never unarmed.

/He's never unarmed. A law enforcement officer can use deadly force to protect himself and others, even if the suspect doesn't have a weapon. Such as, if there was a struggle for the officers weapon, or the suspect was tying to grab it, or go for another weapon, or, maybe in this case, the guy was a islamic fundie with bad ass fighting skills, your average officer had no hope of overcoming. If you are in a position where you have to defend yourself, and the suspect is seriously going to kick your ass and you have 0 hope of winning a fight due to his skills, yes, you can shoot the prick. Police officers in the line of duty have no reason or are bound by no law to back off from an arrest or a interview. If the suspect changes it to a violent confrontation, and he gets killed? His bad.




THEY'RE COMING RIGHT AT US!!
 
2013-05-22 10:06:31 AM
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-05-22 10:10:09 AM

F22raptom: JPSimonetti: Isn't there a point at which your body is legally considered a lethal weapon? I remember reading a story a long time ago about a golden glove boxer that killed some guy in a drunken brawl and he was charged with using a deadly weapon. Would that justify lethal force by law enforcement? I don't know.

no


Although there are jurisdictions where they'll bend the law pretty hard...for example, you kick a guy when he's down, they charge with assault with a deadly weapon...your shoe.
 
2013-05-22 10:11:10 AM
I'm not going to speak as to whether this was or was not justified, but it did make me wonder what percent of shooting deaths in this country are at the hands of police.
 
2013-05-22 10:12:09 AM
My completely uninformed and spurious guess is that this guy was already unstable and prone to violence, based on the fact that he committed some serious unlicensed fist dentistry on man over a parking space.

When you take someone that unstable and apply large amounts of psychological pressure, like an FBI interrogation, you are probably more likely to see a spectacular blow out then get the desired results.

My Guess is that the agents shifted from "friendly" questions to hardball, throwing around words like "Obstruction" and threatened him with jail time if he didn't start answering their questions; and he panicked and did the first thing that came to mind which was punch the problem until it goes away.
 
2013-05-22 10:12:23 AM

Famous Thamas: reillan: skankboy: It is appears he was unarmed... Interesting....

He was an MMA fighter.  He's never unarmed.

I've known plenty of "MMA" fighters that couldn't get out of a wet paper bag if they had to.  I think the media calls everyone who is enrolled in a martial arts school these days "MMA" fighters.  Just like every gun is an AK-47, every martial artist is an "MMA" fighter.


Heh...his mixed martial arts were crochet, ikebana, and a two-hour judo class...
 
2013-05-22 10:13:21 AM
Just another day in law enforcement. Then there is the story of the CA cops that beat off a guy close to death for asking them to read the ticket to him. You gotta laugh.
 
2013-05-22 10:16:22 AM
"Yew gonna githcer ass shot off, terr'ist boy."
 
2013-05-22 10:16:46 AM

neversubmit: Just another day in law enforcement. Then there is the story of the CA cops that beat off a guy close to death for asking them to read the ticket to him. You gotta laugh.


They liked him that much?
 
2013-05-22 10:17:23 AM

Pumpernickel bread: Lets see... an MMA fighter that beat a guy unconscious over a parking spot and "flipped out" while being interviewed.  Roid rage maybe?




More like...
si0.twimg.com
 
2013-05-22 10:17:45 AM

lantawa: neversubmit: Just another day in law enforcement. Then there is the story of the CA cops that beat off a guy close to death for asking them to read the ticket to him. You gotta laugh.

They liked him that much?


Say what?
 
2013-05-22 10:19:03 AM

encyclopediaplushuman: Frankly, media, I don't give a damn.

inb4 conspiracy nuts


Heh, I'm gonna wander over to FreeRepublic, see how they're spinning this.

Brb.
 
2013-05-22 10:20:42 AM

neversubmit: lantawa: neversubmit: Just another day in law enforcement. Then there is the story of the CA cops that beat off a guy close to death for asking them to read the ticket to him. You gotta laugh.

They liked him that much?

Say what?


Just in case it wasn't obvious.

/Death by manual snu-snu?
 
2013-05-22 10:21:00 AM
media.tumblr.com
 
2013-05-22 10:21:18 AM
Was he holding a bag of skittles and some ice tea?

/too soon?
//don't like where the story was going, not to sound conspiracy nut level
 
2013-05-22 10:21:48 AM
Well, that was disappointing...basically one guy saying "how convenient".
 
2013-05-22 10:24:00 AM

dittybopper: neversubmit: lantawa: neversubmit: Just another day in law enforcement. Then there is the story of the CA cops that beat off a guy close to death for asking them to read the ticket to him. You gotta laugh.

They liked him that much?

Say what?

Just in case it wasn't obvious.

/Death by manual snu-snu?


Oh hell! I face palmed in real life.
 
2013-05-22 10:25:49 AM

neversubmit: Just another day in law enforcement. Then there is the story of the CA cops that beat off a guy close to death for asking them to read the ticket to him. You gotta laugh.


Was it this guy?
quotetheshow.com
 
2013-05-22 10:41:34 AM
encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
 
2013-05-22 10:43:11 AM

Bit'O'Gristle: /He's never unarmed. A law enforcement officer can use deadly force to protect himself and others, even if the suspect doesn't have a weapon. Such as, if there was a struggle for the officers weapon, or the suspect was tying to grab it, or go for another weapon, or, maybe in this case, the guy was a islamic fundie with bad ass fighting skills, your average officer had no hope of overcoming. If you are in a position where you have to defend yourself, and the suspect is seriously going to kick your ass and you have 0 hope of winning a fight due to his skills, yes, you can shoot the prick. Police officers in the line of duty have no reason or are bound by no law to back off from an arrest or a interview. If the suspect changes it to a violent confrontation, and he gets killed? His bad.


This.  There's also the fact that a LEO is armed and thus any fight involves a weapon.  If a LEO loses a fight they probably die so they're going to shoot if it looks like they're going to lose.

Pumpernickel bread: Lets see... an MMA fighter that beat a guy unconscious over a parking spot and "flipped out" while being interviewed. Roid rage maybe?


I think you nailed it.

Chameleon: I'm not going to speak as to whether this was or was not justified, but it did make me wonder what percent of shooting deaths in this country are at the hands of police.


Last I knew, a few percent.
 
2013-05-22 10:43:28 AM

skankboy: It is appears he was unarmed... Interesting....


NBC reporting he had a knife.
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/22/18418012-man-with-ties-to -b oston-bombing-suspect-shot-during-fbi-questioning?lite

I think a few pieces are missing and speculation is filling the void.
 
2013-05-22 10:43:42 AM

RedPhoenix122: JPSimonetti: Isn't there a point at which your body is legally considered a lethal weapon? I remember reading a story a long time ago about a golden glove boxer an Army Ranger that killed some guy in a drunken brawl and he was charged with using a deadly weapon. Would that justify lethal force by law enforcement? I don't know.

And now you have the plot of Con Air


HA!  You would be CORRECT, sir.
 
2013-05-22 10:48:54 AM

Pick: Good! Saved the taxpayer's a ton of money.


Most successful trolling I have seen in a while.

11/10
 
2013-05-22 10:49:17 AM

Odd Bird: skankboy: It is appears he was unarmed... Interesting....

NBC reporting he had a knife.
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/22/18418012-man-with-ties-to -b oston-bombing-suspect-shot-during-fbi-questioning?lite

I think a few pieces are missing and speculation is filling the void.


If he had a knife, that changes the story drastically.  Attacking a police officer with a knife is suicidally foolish.
 
2013-05-22 10:50:36 AM

skankboy: king_nacho: skankboy: It is appears he was unarmed... Interesting....

uh, where did you read he was unarmed?

uh, he was being interviewed for hours by the FBI.  You don't think they do a pat down?

uhhhhhh

uhhh


Depends on where the interview takes place.  If the FBI comes to you home to do an interview, they have no authority to do a pat down.  If you go to their office, they can since it is FBI property.  If they do a field interview with no probable cause that you have engaged in any criminal activity, no they cannot.
 
2013-05-22 10:50:42 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: Famous Thamas: I've known plenty of "MMA" fighters that couldn't get out of a wet paper bag if they had to. I think the media calls everyone who is enrolled in a martial arts school these days "MMA" fighters. Just like every gun is an AK-47, every martial artist is an "MMA" fighter.

I sat through a martial arts class once for those people and thought "Wow, these guys suck"

I mean the instructor obviously knew his shiat, but 2/3 of the rest of those people there. They genuinely sucked


You think that might have had something to do with why they were seeking instruction?
 
2013-05-22 10:52:23 AM

Son of Thunder: IdBeCrazyIf: Famous Thamas: I've known plenty of "MMA" fighters that couldn't get out of a wet paper bag if they had to. I think the media calls everyone who is enrolled in a martial arts school these days "MMA" fighters. Just like every gun is an AK-47, every martial artist is an "MMA" fighter.

I sat through a martial arts class once for those people and thought "Wow, these guys suck"

I mean the instructor obviously knew his shiat, but 2/3 of the rest of those people there. They genuinely sucked

You think that might have had something to do with why they were seeking instruction?


True,but you would assume people who go 3 to 5 days a week for years on end would get better
 
2013-05-22 10:53:02 AM

nekom: Odd Bird: skankboy: It is appears he was unarmed... Interesting....

NBC reporting he had a knife.
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/22/18418012-man-with-ties-to -b oston-bombing-suspect-shot-during-fbi-questioning?lite

I think a few pieces are missing and speculation is filling the void.

If he had a knife, that changes the story drastically.  Attacking a police officer with a knife is suicidally foolish.


I fought the law, and the law won...
 
2013-05-22 10:53:04 AM

SoupJohnB: Bit'O'Gristle: reillan: skankboy: It is appears he was unarmed... Interesting....

He was an MMA fighter.  He's never unarmed.

/He's never unarmed. A law enforcement officer can use deadly force to protect himself and others, even if the suspect doesn't have a weapon. Such as, if there was a struggle for the officers weapon, or the suspect was tying to grab it, or go for another weapon, or, maybe in this case, the guy was a islamic fundie with bad ass fighting skills, your average officer had no hope of overcoming. If you are in a position where you have to defend yourself, and the suspect is seriously going to kick your ass and you have 0 hope of winning a fight due to his skills, yes, you can shoot the prick. Police officers in the line of duty have no reason or are bound by no law to back off from an arrest or a interview. If the suspect changes it to a violent confrontation, and he gets killed? His bad.

That was my take, after reading the other link posted above.  He gave the SA a good reason to fire his weapon.

/sf. that scene in "Indiana Jones," as long as we're referencing movies

//y'all know the scene I mean


It's the one with the fridge, right? Man what a great scene.
 
2013-05-22 10:55:05 AM

Magnus: RedPhoenix122: JPSimonetti: Isn't there a point at which your body is legally considered a lethal weapon? I remember reading a story a long time ago about a golden glove boxer an Army Ranger that killed some guy in a drunken brawl and he was charged with using a deadly weapon. Would that justify lethal force by law enforcement? I don't know.

And now you have the plot of Con Air

HA!  You would be CORRECT, sir.


Oh BS. That in NO way resembles the plot if Con Air, and you are a stupid stupid person for saying so.

Con Air was about a bunny that should have been left in the box.
 
2013-05-22 10:59:53 AM
Son of Thunder:  Con Air was about a bunny that should have been left in the box.

I thought it was a hair dryer...
 
2013-05-22 11:04:06 AM

Magnus: skankboy: king_nacho: skankboy: It is appears he was unarmed... Interesting....

uh, where did you read he was unarmed?

uh, he was being interviewed for hours by the FBI.  You don't think they do a pat down?

uhhhhhh

uhhh

Depends on where the interview takes place.  If the FBI comes to you home to do an interview, they have no authority to do a pat down.  If you go to their office, they can since it is FBI property.  If they do a field interview with no probable cause that you have engaged in any criminal activity, no they cannot.


I'm pretty sure the police can pat you down any time they talk to you.  Maybe not if they come to your house or other private building, but if a cop stops you on the street to "chat" with you, they can pat you down for their safety.  Pretty bullshiat to me, but that's always been my take on it.
 
2013-05-22 11:07:31 AM

PunGent: Well, that was disappointing...basically one guy saying "how convenient".


This will feed the conspiracy frenzy. Give it time
 
2013-05-22 11:08:51 AM

Jeez, dude had a face only a blind mother could love.



www.boston.com
 
2013-05-22 11:10:02 AM

CrazyCracka420: Magnus: skankboy: king_nacho: skankboy: It is appears he was unarmed... Interesting....

uh, where did you read he was unarmed?

uh, he was being interviewed for hours by the FBI.  You don't think they do a pat down?

uhhhhhh

uhhh

Depends on where the interview takes place.  If the FBI comes to you home to do an interview, they have no authority to do a pat down.  If you go to their office, they can since it is FBI property.  If they do a field interview with no probable cause that you have engaged in any criminal activity, no they cannot.

I'm pretty sure the police can pat you down any time they talk to you.  Maybe not if they come to your house or other private building, but if a cop stops you on the street to "chat" with you, they can pat you down for their safety.  Pretty bullshiat to me, but that's always been my take on it.


How does that square even a little bit with the 4th Amendment? I think they can ask and you can refuse, but they don't handle rejection well.
 
2013-05-22 11:10:18 AM

reillan: skankboy: It is appears he was unarmed... Interesting....

He was an MMA fighter.  He's never unarmed.


and the FBI are banned from calling backup or using a stun gun.
TRUE STORY
NO REALLY THIS IS A FACT

/FFS - this is a SARCASM INDICATOR. IF I HAD BEEN TELLING THE TRUTH, I WOULD NOT HAVE NEEDED ALL CAPS.
 
2013-05-22 11:11:19 AM
The Agent in question.

forum.thesimpson.it
 
2013-05-22 11:11:58 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: Son of Thunder: IdBeCrazyIf: Famous Thamas: I've known plenty of "MMA" fighters that couldn't get out of a wet paper bag if they had to. I think the media calls everyone who is enrolled in a martial arts school these days "MMA" fighters. Just like every gun is an AK-47, every martial artist is an "MMA" fighter.

I sat through a martial arts class once for those people and thought "Wow, these guys suck"

I mean the instructor obviously knew his shiat, but 2/3 of the rest of those people there. They genuinely sucked

You think that might have had something to do with why they were seeking instruction?

True,but you would assume people who go 3 to 5 days a week for years on end would get better


I've been doing martial arts since '95, and the skill levels in most MA schools looks like a pyramid. There will be a large number of beginners who signed up because they (trad MA) saw an awesome kung fu film, or (MMA) watch UFC. These people will be terrible, and most of them will be gone in less than a year (turns out it's actually hard work getting good, and getting whupped up by senior students is rough on the ego) to be replaced by other beginners. A moderate number will stick around and make it to an intermediate level of skill, which can best be described as "less terrible than they used to be". A mere handful will put in the time and effort to become top-level students.

Now, I am not denying that the popularity of UFC has caused a surge in BS "MMA" schools, exactly as we saw a surge in BS "kung fu" instructors in the 70s and BS "ninjas" in the 80s. But just going by your comment, what you describe is typical.
 
2013-05-22 11:12:05 AM

Odd Bird: NBC reporting he had a knife.


Meh.  I *ALWAYS* have a knife on me (pocket knife).  

nekom: Odd Bird: skankboy: It is appears he was unarmed... Interesting....

NBC reporting he had a knife.
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/22/18418012-man-with-ties-to -b oston-bombing-suspect-shot-during-fbi-questioning?lite

I think a few pieces are missing and speculation is filling the void.

If he had a knife, that changes the story drastically.  Attacking a police officer with a knife is suicidally foolish.


I would note that *HAVING* a knife, and *USING* a knife are two separate things.

I habitually carry a knife, and I use it every day, but for things like opening cans and cutting string and the like.
 
2013-05-22 11:13:54 AM
"as shot and killed after attacking an FBI agent during questioning in Florida"
Wait wait wait wait.
So while in FBI custody, they murdered him?
NICE
If only there were secure rooms for questioning. Some kind of "restraining" devices. Or glass walls. Or other "PEOPLE" who could have been in the room to assist.
What a bunch of tools.

But at least he is dead, so there is no way to find out if Obama was behind everything. We need to get this INFO to RUSH!
 
2013-05-22 11:13:58 AM

Rapmaster2000: Chechnya and may have been heading back to the lawless Russian region today.

That's a strange bit of editorializing.


Apparently you're unfamiliar with Boston newspapers.
 
2013-05-22 11:14:30 AM

Pray 4 Mojo: The Agent in question.

[forum.thesimpson.it image 320x240]


this
 
2013-05-22 11:15:30 AM
www.biography.com
 
2013-05-22 11:20:14 AM

UrukHaiGuyz: CrazyCracka420: Magnus: skankboy: king_nacho: skankboy: It is appears he was unarmed... Interesting....

uh, where did you read he was unarmed?

uh, he was being interviewed for hours by the FBI.  You don't think they do a pat down?

uhhhhhh

uhhh

Depends on where the interview takes place.  If the FBI comes to you home to do an interview, they have no authority to do a pat down.  If you go to their office, they can since it is FBI property.  If they do a field interview with no probable cause that you have engaged in any criminal activity, no they cannot.

I'm pretty sure the police can pat you down any time they talk to you.  Maybe not if they come to your house or other private building, but if a cop stops you on the street to "chat" with you, they can pat you down for their safety.  Pretty bullshiat to me, but that's always been my take on it.

How does that square even a little bit with the 4th Amendment? I think they can ask and you can refuse, but they don't handle rejection well.


For the officers safety.  IANAL but I think they still need reasonable belief that you might be armed or some such.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_v._Ohio
 
2013-05-22 11:23:22 AM

TommyJReed: My completely uninformed and spurious guess is that this guy was already unstable and prone to violence, based on the fact that he committed some serious unlicensed fist dentistry on man over a parking space.

When you take someone that unstable and apply large amounts of psychological pressure, like an FBI interrogation, you are probably more likely to see a spectacular blow out then get the desired results.

My Guess is that the agents shifted from "friendly" questions to hardball, throwing around words like "Obstruction" and threatened him with jail time if he didn't start answering their questions; and he panicked and did the first thing that came to mind which was punch the problem until it goes away.


Oh, there's a lot more to it than that...

FTA in the Orlando Sentinel
"Their throats had been cut, and their bodies were covered with marijuana. No suspects had been arrested in that case, but it has been reported that authorities suspected Tamerlan Tsarnaev was also involved in that triple murder. "
 
2013-05-22 11:24:41 AM

Son of Thunder: Magnus: RedPhoenix122: JPSimonetti: Isn't there a point at which your body is legally considered a lethal weapon? I remember reading a story a long time ago about a golden glove boxer an Army Ranger that killed some guy in a drunken brawl and he was charged with using a deadly weapon. Would that justify lethal force by law enforcement? I don't know.

And now you have the plot of Con Air

HA!  You would be CORRECT, sir.

Oh BS. That in NO way resembles the plot if Con Air, and you are a stupid stupid person for saying so.

Con Air was about a bunny that should have been left in the box.


You're right.   Two bunnies in the box, one in the bush, boss.
 
2013-05-22 11:28:21 AM

CrazyCracka420: Magnus: skankboy: king_nacho: skankboy: It is appears he was unarmed... Interesting....

uh, where did you read he was unarmed?

uh, he was being interviewed for hours by the FBI.  You don't think they do a pat down?

uhhhhhh

uhhh

Depends on where the interview takes place.  If the FBI comes to you home to do an interview, they have no authority to do a pat down.  If you go to their office, they can since it is FBI property.  If they do a field interview with no probable cause that you have engaged in any criminal activity, no they cannot.

I'm pretty sure the police can pat you down any time they talk to you.  Maybe not if they come to your house or other private building, but if a cop stops you on the street to "chat" with you, they can pat you down for their safety.  Pretty bullshiat to me, but that's always been my take on it.


Not anytime.  They have to have probable cause that you are engaged in criminal activity.  But one man's probable cause is another cop's suspect-signed-a-confession-but-my-police-dog-ate-it.
 
2013-05-22 11:28:59 AM

Son of Thunder: Now, I am not denying that the popularity of UFC has caused a surge in BS "MMA" schools, exactly as we saw a surge in BS "kung fu" instructors in the 70s and BS "ninjas" in the 80s. But just going by your comment, what you describe is typical.


That explains things quite a bit.

I enrolled my son in martial arts, but I had to do like months worth like investigation to find a dojo that had a decent program and good instructors.
 
2013-05-22 11:31:40 AM

namatad: "as shot and killed after attacking an FBI agent during questioning in Florida"
Wait wait wait wait.
So while in FBI custody, they murdered him?
NICE
If only there were secure rooms for questioning. Some kind of "restraining" devices. Or glass walls. Or other "PEOPLE" who could have been in the room to assist.
What a bunch of tools.

But at least he is dead, so there is no way to find out if Obama was behind everything. We need to get this INFO to RUSH!


Read the Orlando Sentinel article linked to earlier.  He was confessing to participating in a triple homicide.  He was in his own home.  He charged them with a knife.  Monday morning quarterbacking doesn't make this a police abuse of power.  Just based on what's in the article, this looks like a justified police involved self-defense shooting.  These things DO happen on occasion.  It's the nature of the work.
 
2013-05-22 11:33:49 AM
ftfa:
Orlando police also told the Herald the FBI is in charge of the fatal shooting at the Windhover Apartments.

The dead guy was not under arrest, he was not taken into custody, he apparently was being interviewed in his own apartment.  According to NBC news he was somehow involved in the 2011 triple murder in Waltham.  But don't let that slow down the farking conspiracy theories.
 
2013-05-22 11:34:28 AM

RedPhoenix122: JPSimonetti: Isn't there a point at which your body is legally considered a lethal weapon? I remember reading a story a long time ago about a golden glove boxer an Army Ranger that killed some guy in a drunken brawl and he was charged with using a deadly weapon. Would that justify lethal force by law enforcement? I don't know.

And now you have the plot of Con Air


I lol'd.
 
2013-05-22 11:35:56 AM

BitwiseShift: Why the Florida tag for a Boston Herald story.


Why do you ask questions when you clearly haven't read TFA?
 
2013-05-22 11:36:17 AM

UrukHaiGuyz: CrazyCracka420: Magnus: skankboy: king_nacho: skankboy: It is appears he was unarmed... Interesting....

uh, where did you read he was unarmed?

uh, he was being interviewed for hours by the FBI.  You don't think they do a pat down?

uhhhhhh

uhhh

Depends on where the interview takes place.  If the FBI comes to you home to do an interview, they have no authority to do a pat down.  If you go to their office, they can since it is FBI property.  If they do a field interview with no probable cause that you have engaged in any criminal activity, no they cannot.

I'm pretty sure the police can pat you down any time they talk to you.  Maybe not if they come to your house or other private building, but if a cop stops you on the street to "chat" with you, they can pat you down for their safety.  Pretty bullshiat to me, but that's always been my take on it.

How does that square even a little bit with the 4th Amendment? I think they can ask and you can refuse, but they don't handle rejection well.


They can ask.  You can refuse.  And that could possibly be used as rationalization of their probable cause. It hopefully wouldn't pass a court review, but it happens all the time and courts tend to give LE lots of leeway in their discretion.  Ain't that a helluva Catch-22?
 
2013-05-22 11:36:59 AM
The suspect is deceased. We do not have any further details at this time. We expect to have more information later this morning...

... Once we get our story straight.
 
2013-05-22 11:41:14 AM

SweetDickens: He was Dornered.


Well done!
 
2013-05-22 11:43:36 AM

Chameleon: I'm not going to speak as to whether this was or was not justified, but it did make me wonder what percent of shooting deaths in this country are at the hands of police.


I could tell you but then I'd have to shoot you to neutralize the threat.
 
2013-05-22 11:48:23 AM

CrazyCracka420: I'm pretty sure the police can pat you down any time they talk to you.  Maybe not if they come to your house or other private building, but if a cop stops you on the street to "chat" with you, they can pat you down for their safety.  Pretty bullshiat to me, but that's always been my take on it.


Unless it's a "Terry stop" (i.e., unless the officer has reasonable suspicion that you're involved in criminal activity) you're under no obligation to "chat."  Patting you down would constitute unreasonable search/seizure.

/At least, that's how it works in theory.  In reality, you'd get your ass kicked for asserting your rights, you'd be charged with resisting arrest and felonious assault on a police officer, you'd lose your job and never be employable again, and the officer would be commended.
 
2013-05-22 11:55:22 AM
His left hand was an ak-47 and his right hand was another ak-47
 
2013-05-22 11:55:38 AM

BitwiseShift: Why the Florida tag for a Boston Herald story.

When Joe Dweasel calls Chechnya a lawless Russian region as an aside you figger he's been snorting that tabloid ink again.

His interesting angle that it was an FBI hit is about all he's got going.


Look at his nose. That's why you need the Florida tag...
 
2013-05-22 12:00:29 PM

IdBeCrazyIf: Son of Thunder: Now, I am not denying that the popularity of UFC has caused a surge in BS "MMA" schools, exactly as we saw a surge in BS "kung fu" instructors in the 70s and BS "ninjas" in the 80s. But just going by your comment, what you describe is typical.

That explains things quite a bit.

I enrolled my son in martial arts, but I had to do like months worth like investigation to find a dojo that had a decent program and good instructors.


Good on you for putting in the legwork. My oldest daughter is almost old enough to start, and I'm in the process of checking out the local judo club.
 
2013-05-22 12:05:26 PM

nekom: Pretty bizarre twist.  It will be interesting to see if this goes anywhere.  Also, what IS American law enforcement's fascination with shooting unarmed people?


The armed ones shoot back. And given the inability of Johnny Law to hit the broad side of a barn from 10 paces, they don't want to get involved in that sort of situation.
 
2013-05-22 12:06:20 PM

KellyX: Better Story including name of suspect, etc.


nekom: Pretty bizarre twist.  It will be interesting to see if this goes anywhere.  Also, what IS American law enforcement's fascination with shooting unarmed people?


I've just started reading the thread so it's possible someone has already pointed this out.

From the news story linked by KellyX, it appears the suspect attacked with a knife. He was not unarmed.
 
2013-05-22 12:07:33 PM

Son of Thunder: Good on you for putting in the legwork. My oldest daughter is almost old enough to start, and I'm in the process of checking out the local judo club.


He landed in taekwondo and the school he is at doesn't limit themselves to the sport version I guess. They apparently throw in some judo and korean wrestling along with less focus on the leg strikes and more focus on take downs. They also heavily focus on the discipline aspect and have age and time limits on rank advancements.

And apparently the instructors were like world farking champions back in 2010 and some shiat.

I'm still baffled why they chose Indiana of all places to open a school.
 
2013-05-22 12:17:30 PM

Magnus: Depends on where the interview takes place. If the FBI comes to you home to do an interview, they have no authority to do a pat down. If you go to their office, they can since it is FBI property. If they do a field interview with no probable cause that you have engaged in any criminal activity, no they cannot.

I'm pretty sure the police can pat you down any time they talk to you. Maybe not if they come to your house or other private building, but if a cop stops you on the street to "chat" with you, they can pat you down for their safety. Pretty bullshiat to me, but that's always been my take on it.

How does that square even a little bit with the 4th Amendment? I think they can ask and you can refuse, but they don't handle rejection well.

They can ask. You can refuse. And that could possibly be used as rationalization of their probable cause. It hopefully wouldn't pass a court review, but it happens all the time and courts tend to give LE lots of leeway in their discretion. Ain't that a helluva Catch-22?


Basically, what you guys are talking about is the Terry standard and its extension over the years. The cops can search you when a) they think you've been committing or are going to commit a crime and b) they think you could be armed and dangerous. So there has to be a reasonable suspicion for the stop, and then a reasonable suspicion for the frisk in a stop and frisk. The most recent case on this is Arizona v. Johnson from 2009.

So, to clarify, the cop can't just harass you on the street for no reason, he has to think you're up to something. Then he has to think you're armed and dangerous, and then he can only do a surface pat-down to make sure you're not carrying a knife or a gun. When the cop comes to your house, his rights are even more restricted. He can't come inside without your consent, he can't search without your consent, and you don't have to talk to him. Hell, he can't even arrest you without a warrant at your house (but he sure as hell can elsewhere). And refusal of consent can never count as probable cause. That doesn't stop a cop from saying "he was looking shifty and there was an odor of alcohol on his breath" but hey, if a cop's gonna lie, he's going to fark you over anyway - you don't have to help him and it might be something your lawyer can latch onto later.

Now, when you're on the cop's turf, there's all sorts of things that he can do. First, he can have all sorts of security measures in place because it's his turf, and searching you would be part of those. When you've been arrested, there's a compelling governmental interest in keeping contraband and/or weapons out of jails and prisons, so he can search you then to make sure you're not carrying any. If he arrests you at a traffic stop, he can toss your car at the impound lot to make an inventory so you can't sue the cops later for stealing the Creedence.
 
2013-05-22 12:24:03 PM
I loved hearing from the guy that actually broke the guy's nose in an interview awhile back to make it look that funky.  Can't remember his name, but he said he was going to be proud to be able to tell his kids that HE was the guy that messed up his nose.....made me laugh!

/in a good way
 
2013-05-22 12:32:59 PM
He wasn't given the death penalty.
He was detained without the right of correspondence...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Without_the_right_of_correspondence
 
2013-05-22 12:33:35 PM

Maud Dib: Jeez, dude had a face only a blind mother could love.

[www.boston.com image 399x499]


Nah, that dude is just fast.  That is a picture of him taking off to the left.  He's so fast his face has to catch up with him.
 
2013-05-22 12:35:12 PM

trappedspirit: His left hand was an ak-47 and his right hand was another ak-47


Which means a banana and a loganberry. At least they used the right way to disarm him.
 
2013-05-22 12:39:42 PM

UrukHaiGuyz: SoupJohnB: Bit'O'Gristle: reillan: skankboy: It is appears he was unarmed... Interesting..

/sf. that scene in "Indiana Jones," as long as we're referencing movies

//y'all know the scene I mean

It's the one with the fridge, right? Man what a great scene.


No, not that one.

/the other one

//in the other movie with no nukes
 
2013-05-22 12:47:44 PM

phyrkrakr: Magnus: Depends on where the interview takes place. If the FBI comes to you home to do an interview, they have no authority to do a pat down. If you go to their office, they can since it is FBI property. If they do a field interview with no probable cause that you have engaged in any criminal activity, no they cannot.

I'm pretty sure the police can pat you down any time they talk to you. Maybe not if they come to your house or other private building, but if a cop stops you on the street to "chat" with you, they can pat you down for their safety. Pretty bullshiat to me, but that's always been my take on it.

How does that square even a little bit with the 4th Amendment? I think they can ask and you can refuse, but they don't handle rejection well.

They can ask. You can refuse. And that could possibly be used as rationalization of their probable cause. It hopefully wouldn't pass a court review, but it happens all the time and courts tend to give LE lots of leeway in their discretion. Ain't that a helluva Catch-22?

Basically, what you guys are talking about is the Terry standard and its extension over the years. The cops can search you when a) they think you've been committing or are going to commit a crime and b) they think you could be armed and dangerous. So there has to be a reasonable suspicion for the stop, and then a reasonable suspicion for the frisk in a stop and frisk. The most recent case on this is Arizona v. Johnson from 2009.

So, to clarify, the cop can't just harass you on the street for no reason, he has to think you're up to something. Then he has to think you're armed and dangerous, and then he can only do a surface pat-down to make sure you're not carrying a knife or a gun. When the cop comes to your house, his rights are even more restricted. He can't come inside without your consent, he can't search without your consent, and you don't have to talk to him. Hell, he can't even arrest you without a warrant at your house (but he sure ...


Yeah,  but I don't get paid by the word.
 
2013-05-22 12:51:07 PM

SoupJohnB: UrukHaiGuyz: SoupJohnB: Bit'O'Gristle: reillan: skankboy: It is appears he was unarmed... Interesting..

/sf. that scene in "Indiana Jones," as long as we're referencing movies

//y'all know the scene I mean

It's the one with the fridge, right? Man what a great scene.

No, not that one.

/the other one

//in the other movie with no nukes


The one where Karen Allen is standing on the deck of the freighter in that silk nightie, and the wind is pressing it against her body?  'Cause that's an awesome scene.
 
2013-05-22 01:17:20 PM

dittybopper: SoupJohnB: UrukHaiGuyz: SoupJohnB: Bit'O'Gristle: reillan: skankboy: It is appears he was unarmed... Interesting..

/sf. that scene in "Indiana Jones," as long as we're referencing movies

//y'all know the scene I mean

It's the one with the fridge, right? Man what a great scene.

No, not that one.

/the other one

//in the other movie with no nukes

The one where Karen Allen is standing on the deck of the freighter in that silk nightie, and the wind is pressing it against her body?  'Cause that's an awesome scene.


Um, I thought I knew the answer, but I'll have to get back to this discussion after I do a little further research.

/scurries off to find *that* scene on YouTube
 
2013-05-22 01:26:13 PM
www.godlikeproductions.comowlibrary.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-05-22 01:27:08 PM
2 to go...
 
2013-05-22 01:51:49 PM

Theaetetus: Pick: Good! Saved the taxpayer's a ton of money.

Saved the taxpayer's what?


His or her "A" ton of money. He/she said so right there. The "B" and "C" tons are still in jeopardy.
 
2013-05-22 01:55:28 PM
What do you call a muslim terror suspect who is shot and killed by the FBI?
 
2013-05-22 01:56:26 PM

Rapmaster2000: Chechnya and may have been heading back to the lawless Russian region today.

That's a strange bit of editorializing.


It's the Herald. They can't even give a weather forecast without spitting out shady information designed to trick the gullible.
 
2013-05-22 01:59:38 PM
encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com
 
2013-05-22 02:21:53 PM

umadbro: [encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com image 264x148]


You don't know enough about it to be OK with it yet.
 
2013-05-22 02:37:14 PM

Scorpius.Raven: the Weeners immediately brings the derp


Truest filter-pwn I've seen since Ben Franklin being the Boobiesmaster General...

/Hey, when all the blood is drained from the brain to power it, you have to expect some derp!
 
2013-05-22 04:01:58 PM
I, for one, am just delighted that the Patriot Act Assault on the Constitution for the past 12 years has led to such swell protection from evil doing terrorists.
Settles the question of was it a good trade off.
 
2013-05-22 04:58:50 PM
Famous Thamas: I've known plenty of "MMA" fighters that couldn't get out of a wet paper bag if they had to. I think the media calls everyone who is enrolled in a martial arts school these days "MMA" fighters. Just like every gun is an AK-47, every martial artist is an "MMA" fighter.
I sat through a martial arts class once for those people and thought "Wow, these guys suck"
I mean the instructor obviously knew his shiat, but 2/3 of the rest of those people there. They genuinely sucked


So, you saw some beginners in a class, therefore no one can be good? The instructor who "obviously knew his shiat" was a beginner once. Or did you think he was born an expert at martial arts?
 
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