rjakobi: Reid, get over it. When your party loses power, ideas like this bite you in the ass. Go back to worrying about the condition of your district instead of pandering to the rest of the country.
mrshowrules: If the DNC is confident that they can keep control of the Senate for many years to come, they will most certainly kill the filibuster
Ned Stark: mrshowrules: If the DNC is confident that they can keep control of the Senate for many years to come, they will most certainly kill the filibusterI seriously doubt it. It may help the Democrats as a group, but the filibuster magnifies the value of every individual's vote. Increasing their ability to shape legislation, bring home pork, showboat, etc. It comes down to asking members of Congress to vote for their party (and incidentally the country) at the expense of themselves.They can't make it happen.
Lionel Mandrake: Do it or stop talking about it. There is no sensible third option.
theinsultabot9000: the annoying part about Reid pussying out over and over again is you know in his cowardly little brain he is thinking he wants the filibuster to be in when and if the republicans gain the senate in 2014 (or whatever) when you know the absolute second they have the senate and the house (and god forbid, the presidency) they will just nuclear the filibuster first day anyway.It will ALMOST be worth seeing Obamacare repealed, tax rates on corporations dropped to zero and all social safety net programs repealed just to see the look on that detestable scarecrow's face.
EighthDay: I'll believe it when I see it.I fully appreciate that there's the whole "what happens when we're in the minority again" aspect of setting / changing precedent, but shiat or get off the pot.
MithrandirBooga: Casualties and lossesSouth Vietnam195,000-430,000 civilian dead171,331-220,357 military dead1,170,000 woundedUnited States58,220 dead;[A 2]303,644 wounded[A 2]South Korea5,099 dead;10,962 wounded;4 missingAustralia500 dead;3,129 woundedNew Zealand37 dead;187 woundedThailand351 dead;1,358 woundedTotal dead: 430,538-714,564Total wounded: ~1,490,000+North Vietnam - Provisional Revolutionary Government of the Republic of South Vietnam North Vietnam & Viet Cong50,000-65,000 civilian dead400,000-1,100,000 military dead or missing600,000+ woundedChina1,446 dead;4,200 woundedSoviet Union16 deadTotal dead: 451,462-1,166,462Total wounded: ~604,200Vietnamese civilian dead: 245,000-2,000,000Cambodian Civil War dead: 200,000-300,000*Laotian Civil War dead: 20,000-200,000*Total civilian dead: 465,000-2,500,000**Total dead: 1,102,000-3,886,026= ultimately nothing. Apparently.
Evil High Priest: EighthDay: I'll believe it when I see it.I fully appreciate that there's the whole "what happens when we're in the minority again" aspect of setting / changing precedent, but shiat or get off the pot.Do you think this current crop of r(ape) partiers will leave the filibuster intact for the dems if they take back control?
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