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2013-05-22 11:49:35 AM  

BolloxReader: They can't really integrate because they can't be citizens. No birthright citizenship means those born in Sweden or many other European countries are forever held apart. Father not a Swedish citizen? Too bad.

I'd be pissed off too. Hell, I don't even want to step foot in another country where I'd lack citizenship protection.


And yet, there they are.
 
2013-05-22 11:51:25 AM  

Teknowaffle: Vectron: Ah,  muslim immigrants.
What a boon for Swedes!

See, a lot of people act like the high immigration here is some sort of white guilt. But it isn't. It is importing a labor force for crap labor, and for producing babies.

See, Sweden has a generous social care system. But that system has to be fed with tax dollars. More people available to work means more people paying taxes to support the welfare system. With an aging population, the costs associated with the social programs.

People like to pretend that the generous child leave here is to empower women, and let them have access to the work place. Sure, that is part of it, but one of the real reasons is so women make the babies to fund the future. In a way this backfires, because if you work in a rapidly changing environment, tech and so on, do you really want to hire a woman who after you invested in training them gets pregnant, and is then gone for a long time, forcing you to hire someone in her place while she takes off lots of time. My wife had issues when she was looking for a job because she is almost 30, married, and has no kids. Places look at her as a womb waiting to be filled.

Immigration here is about investing in the future of the social welfare state by making sure that the future will hold enough taxpayers.


Aha - a local observer!!

So what's the problem with assimilation/naturalization/employment:

Racist Swedes who won't hire brown immigrants?
Immigrants who won't learn Swedish or English?
Immigrants with no employable skills, or who won't learn employable skills?
Lazy teat-suckling immigrants?
 
2013-05-22 11:55:02 AM  

Teknowaffle: Vectron: Ah,  muslim immigrants.
What a boon for Swedes!

See, a lot of people act like the high immigration here is some sort of white guilt. But it isn't. It is importing a labor force for crap labor, and for producing babies.

See, Sweden has a generous social care system. But that system has to be fed with tax dollars. More people available to work means more people paying taxes to support the welfare system. With an aging population, the costs associated with the social programs.

People like to pretend that the generous child leave here is to empower women, and let them have access to the work place. Sure, that is part of it, but one of the real reasons is so women make the babies to fund the future. In a way this backfires, because if you work in a rapidly changing environment, tech and so on, do you really want to hire a woman who after you invested in training them gets pregnant, and is then gone for a long time, forcing you to hire someone in her place while she takes off lots of time. My wife had issues when she was looking for a job because she is almost 30, married, and has no kids. Places look at her as a womb waiting to be filled.

Immigration here is about investing in the future of the social welfare state by making sure that the future will hold enough taxpayers.


So Sweden has unlimited space to continue growth to feed the machine? Eventually the population will slow or shrink and blow the system out.
 
2013-05-22 11:55:34 AM  

Agnes Gonxha's Confidant: I hate youths who "protest".  They are just bored and will use any excuse to burn things.
Also, I am sad to see Stockholm turning into Tangiers.


Tangiers is a pretty cool place. Perhaps you are thinking of somewhere else
 
2013-05-22 11:55:42 AM  
Funny, no matter what country or part of the world it is, it's always "youths" rioting.
 
2013-05-22 11:56:38 AM  
Sweden has for a long time had it as a taboo to discuss immigration laws. They were busy calling the Danish racists when their government started reforming the immigration laws. Now they are slowly waking up to the reality of things.
 
2013-05-22 12:04:08 PM  

cc_rider: Agnes Gonxha's Confidant: I hate youths who "protest".  They are just bored and will use any excuse to burn things.
Also, I am sad to see Stockholm turning into Tangiers.

Tangiers is a pretty cool place. Perhaps you are thinking of somewhere else


I guess you stayed in the tourist section/high income districts.
 
2013-05-22 12:06:30 PM  
So rioters are angry, and they burn down...their own stuff.

Yep, good times.
 
2013-05-22 12:07:52 PM  

Evilhippie: Sweden has for a long time had it as a taboo to discuss immigration laws. They were busy calling the Danish racists when their government started reforming the immigration laws. Now they are slowly waking up to the reality of things.


this
 
2013-05-22 12:11:56 PM  
OK I'll just go ahead and say it. fark all the ungrateful immigrants. Your mother and father were granted entry because of the deplorable condition of your country of origin. You have access to public education (of better quality than most countries) You have public libraries that look like palaces. You have access to medical care, dental care, eye care. Food dispensaries that look like a Carrefour.

BUT you hold on to some resentment because you do not feel loved? (in the form of not being given a job)

But let's not blame the youths. It's their parents who neglected to teach them gratitude. Yes gratitude. No need to kiss whitey's ass. Just show your gratitude by NOT burning things and damaging property.

I realize you cannot send them back home but they need a serious education.

Has anyone been to London in the past 25 years?
 
2013-05-22 12:13:21 PM  

jaybeezey: So Sweden has unlimited space to continue growth to feed the machine? Eventually the population will slow or shrink and blow the system out.


Alternatively they could go the route of Japan and reject immigration as a solution to the demographic wave set to blow up.

media.economist.com

By 2050 there will be 1.5 workers for every retiree. You have to be awfully productive to feed, cloth and house both yourself and half of someone else. And that, strictly speaking, is just going by population. If you consider that not everyone of working age actually works the story is much worse.
 
2013-05-22 12:14:02 PM  

FrancoFile: Teknowaffle: Vectron: Ah,  muslim immigrants.
What a boon for Swedes!

Aha - a local observer

So what's the problem with assimilation/naturalization/employment:

Racist Swedes who won't hire brown immigrants?
Immigrants who won't learn Swedish or English?
Immigrants with no employable skills, or who won't learn employable skills?
Lazy teat-suckling immigrants?




There is a combination of all these things.

1. There are some people who won't hire brown people. A very, very small few, but yeah, there are racists.
But this leads to 2. There are a lot of people who have poor language skills, and that is the reason they don't get hired. One of the problems is that the adult education here will put through anyone without regard to their real skills unless they are completely beyond hope. I have been here less than two years, and I am in the class below the top level of Swedish as a second language. The others in the class have been here for as many as 10 years and are in no way qualified to be in the class.

There is no point system like they have in Canada. I don't have any statistics, but among the people in my program myself, and my American friend are the only ones with a college degree. Tech workers tend to have the best luck among immigrants for getting jobs from people I have known.

And yes, there are some who milk the system. You can say I am as I am a fulltime student.
 
2013-05-22 12:17:15 PM  

Teknowaffle: FrancoFile: Teknowaffle: Vectron: Ah,  muslim immigrants.
What a boon for Swedes!

Aha - a local observer

So what's the problem with assimilation/naturalization/employment:

Racist Swedes who won't hire brown immigrants?
Immigrants who won't learn Swedish or English?
Immigrants with no employable skills, or who won't learn employable skills?
Lazy teat-suckling immigrants?

There is a combination of all these things.

1. There are some people who won't hire brown people. A very, very small few, but yeah, there are racists.
But this leads to 2. There are a lot of people who have poor language skills, and that is the reason they don't get hired. One of the problems is that the adult education here will put through anyone without regard to their real skills unless they are completely beyond hope. I have been here less than two years, and I am in the class below the top level of Swedish as a second language. The others in the class have been here for as many as 10 years and are in no way qualified to be in the class.

There is no point system like they have in Canada. I don't have any statistics, but among the people in my program myself, and my American friend are the only ones with a college degree. Tech workers tend to have the best luck among immigrants for getting jobs from people I have known.

And yes, there are some who milk the system. You can say I am as I am a fulltime student.


Thank you!
 
2013-05-22 12:18:10 PM  

Agnes Gonxha's Confidant: OK I'll just go ahead and say it. fark all the ungrateful immigrants. Your mother and father were granted entry because of the deplorable condition of your country of origin. You have access to public education (of better quality than most countries) You have public libraries that look like palaces. You have access to medical care, dental care, eye care. Food dispensaries that look like a Carrefour.

BUT you hold on to some resentment because you do not feel loved? (in the form of not being given a job)

But let's not blame the youths. It's their parents who neglected to teach them gratitude. Yes gratitude. No need to kiss whitey's ass. Just show your gratitude by NOT burning things and damaging property.

I realize you cannot send them back home but they need a serious education.

Has anyone been to London in the past 25 years?


talking like this about the criminals in America is wrong.  It is ok for every country but the US to defend its borders.

It is even ok for Mexico to do so. Liberal logic.
 
2013-05-22 12:18:13 PM  
Maybe should should move to a country where they will be happier. France?
 
2013-05-22 12:18:22 PM  
one person was arrested on suspicion of arson of a cultural center housed in a 19th century building.

Gangs of up to 60 youths also set fire to a school and a nursery and hurled rocks at police and fire fighters.



Charming folks. I can't imagine why the places they left are shiatholes.

If only Sweden could do more to accommodate their demands, everything would be alright.
 
2013-05-22 12:20:59 PM  

Agnes Gonxha's Confidant: cc_rider: Agnes Gonxha's Confidant: I hate youths who "protest".  They are just bored and will use any excuse to burn things.
Also, I am sad to see Stockholm turning into Tangiers.

Tangiers is a pretty cool place. Perhaps you are thinking of somewhere else

I guess you stayed in the tourist section/high income districts.


Does any city in the world actually have "nice" slums and ghettos? I can't think of one.
 
2013-05-22 12:26:23 PM  
Seriously?

www.queenofpith.com
 
hej
2013-05-22 12:41:01 PM  

aerojockey: How can there be riots in Sweden?  It's a tolerant communist paradise with free health care for everyone.


The immigrants aren't as tolerant as the natives.
 
2013-05-22 12:45:38 PM  

Teknowaffle: There is a combination of all these things.

1. There are some people who won't hire brown people. A very, very small few, but yeah, there are racists.
But this leads to 2. There are a lot of people who have poor language skills, and that is the reason they don't get hired. One of the problems is that the adult education here will put through anyone without regard to their real skills unless they are completely beyond hope. I have been here less than two years, and I am in the class below the top level of Swedish as a second language. The others in the class have been here for as many as 10 years and are in no way qualified to be in the class.

And yes, there are some who milk the system. You can say I am as I am a fulltime student.


I agree 100% with this, having experienced it myself in the last 2.5 years.

As an example, I am finishing up a 10 week course with a program called Yrikesverige...basically a course about the Swedish business culture. This is taught entirely in Swedish, so the students are expected to have at least some fluency in the language. The first day you are assessed to see which group you would fit best. There was a woman there who had lived here for 16 years, yet she couldn't read the paperwork that asked for her name, phone number, country of origin and e-mail.
 
2013-05-22 12:47:31 PM  

Teknowaffle: Vectron: Ah,  muslim immigrants.
What a boon for Swedes!

See, a lot of people act like the high immigration here is some sort of white guilt. But it isn't. It is importing a labor force for crap labor, and for producing babies.

See, Sweden has a generous social care system. But that system has to be fed with tax dollars. More people available to work means more people paying taxes to support the welfare system. With an aging population, the costs associated with the social programs.

People like to pretend that the generous child leave here is to empower women, and let them have access to the work place. Sure, that is part of it, but one of the real reasons is so women make the babies to fund the future. In a way this backfires, because if you work in a rapidly changing environment, tech and so on, do you really want to hire a woman who after you invested in training them gets pregnant, and is then gone for a long time, forcing you to hire someone in her place while she takes off lots of time. My wife had issues when she was looking for a job because she is almost 30, married, and has no kids. Places look at her as a womb waiting to be filled.

Immigration here is about investing in the future of the social welfare state by making sure that the future will hold enough taxpayers.


So what happens when all those imported "tax payers" dont work and burn your country to the ground?

/horse, water... and all that
 
2013-05-22 12:47:40 PM  

hej: aerojockey: How can there be riots in Sweden?  It's a tolerant communist paradise with free health care for everyone.

The immigrants aren't as tolerant as the natives.


I think they might be acting out because of blonde envy. Swedes are beautiful people. Imbred muslims, not so much.
 
2013-05-22 12:51:29 PM  

cc_rider: Agnes Gonxha's Confidant: cc_rider: Agnes Gonxha's Confidant: I hate youths who "protest".  They are just bored and will use any excuse to burn things.
Also, I am sad to see Stockholm turning into Tangiers.

Tangiers is a pretty cool place. Perhaps you are thinking of somewhere else

I guess you stayed in the tourist section/high income districts.

Does any city in the world actually have "nice" slums and ghettos? I can't think of one.


Stockholms ghettos are nice by comparison
 
2013-05-22 01:10:44 PM  

Agnes Gonxha's Confidant: OK I'll just go ahead and say it. fark all the ungrateful immigrants. Your mother and father were granted entry because of the deplorable condition of your country of origin. You have access to public education (of better quality than most countries) You have public libraries that look like palaces. You have access to medical care, dental care, eye care. Food dispensaries that look like a Carrefour.

BUT you hold on to some resentment because you do not feel loved? (in the form of not being given a job)

But let's not blame the youths. It's their parents who neglected to teach them gratitude. Yes gratitude. No need to kiss whitey's ass. Just show your gratitude by NOT burning things and damaging property.

I realize you cannot send them back home but they need a serious education.

Has anyone been to London in the past 25 years?


But immigrants really DO need to learn to kiss whitey's ass.

That's the problem..
 
2013-05-22 01:15:20 PM  

topcon: Funny, no matter what country or part of the world it is, it's always Moooooooooooselum "youths" rioting.

 
2013-05-22 01:45:06 PM  

rockymom: Teknowaffle:
As an example, I am finishing up a 10 week course with a program called Yrikesverige...basically a course about the Swedish business culture. This is taught entirely in Swedish, so the students are expected to have at least some fluency in the language. The first day you are assessed to see which group you would fit best. There was a woman there who had lived here for 16 years, yet she couldn't read the paperwork that asked for her name, phone number, country of origin and e-mail.


My wife was at the unemployment office yesterday dropping off some sort of proof of work thing to close her file, and there was a woman there applying for benefits who spoke no English, and next to no Swedish. She couldn't even answer if she worked 8 hours a day, or 8 hours a month back where she came from. (surprisingly there are no Spanish speakers employed there).

Though my wife was annoyed she was eligible for unemployment, but my wife (a citizen) wasn't just because my wife had worked in America for three years.
 
rpl
2013-05-22 01:46:49 PM  
Mynd you, yøøth riots Kan be pretty nasti...
 
2013-05-22 02:04:30 PM  

jjorsett: BolloxReader: They can't really integrate because they can't be citizens. No birthright citizenship means those born in Sweden or many other European countries are forever held apart. Father not a Swedish citizen? Too bad.

I'd be pissed off too. Hell, I don't even want to step foot in another country where I'd lack citizenship protection.

And yet, there they are.


this.

and how many civilized countries even recognize birthright citizenship anymore?

it was valuable when we abolished slavery, but the conditions are different today.

we should absolutely reform immigration to recognize illegals and their contribution to our economy, but we should also discuss birthright citizenship. perhaps we should be more European in this case.
 
2013-05-22 02:44:53 PM  

legion_of_doo: but we should also discuss birthright citizenship.


Good luck with that on Fark.

2nd Amendment = OBSOLETE, OUTDATED, SHOULD BE UPDATED TO REFLECT THE TIMES!!!

14th Amendment = HOLY WRIT, IMMORTAL, THE INTENTION OF THE FOUNDING FATHERS, YOU'RE UN-AMERICAN IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE IT.
 
2013-05-22 03:08:35 PM  
It's incredibly disheartening that there are still so many racists scumming up the Internet. I only hope that most of them are sockpuppets.


topcon
Funny, no matter what country or part of the world it is, it's always "youths" rioting.

Clearly what we need to do is ban youths.
 
2013-05-22 05:12:42 PM  
"Youths", huh.
Sweden is getting what it deserves.
 
2013-05-23 05:17:22 AM  

rockymom: There was a woman there who had lived here for 16 years, yet she couldn't read the paperwork that asked for her name, phone number, country of origin and e-mail.


Devil's advocate... I've lived in Germany (Rheinland-Palatinate) for close to 7 years so far and I don't speak/read much of the language.

Seeing that the "mandatory" basic language classes are always organized during business hours, I would need to work part time to attend. Class is 3 times 4 hours a week, with the days changing every 2 months, and some weeks it's mornings while other weeks it's afternoons... and the price also tends to be a bit on the high side. Note that I would get the class for free if I was unemployed.

There are 6 modules, plus the exams just for the "German as a second language" part of the training. On top of that, you're also supposed to attend a two months "integration" course and its matching exam. Then you can consider applying for naturalization without having to live there for 8 years first.

Of course, there are also "night classes" that start at 4:30pm and finish at 7:30pm... on a normal day, I may be able to leave the office at 7pm and may actually get in the vicinty of the school to see the other students leave the building.

Basically, in my direct area, the whole integration system is geared towards the integration of unemployed refugees (who get the class for free) or retired people.  Luckily, as a EU-citizen, I can't be thrown out of the country for not having attended the mandatory classes.
 
2013-05-23 04:34:27 PM  

RanDomino: It's incredibly disheartening that there are still so many racists scumming up the Internet. I only hope that most of them are sockpuppets.


topcon
Funny, no matter what country or part of the world it is, it's always "youths" rioting.

Clearly what we need to do is ban youths.


omegadispatch.files.wordpress.com

Maybe so many "racists" are popping up because so many muslims continue to pop up as the primary instigators of national woes and trouble in more then tolerant host nations? PS muslim isn't a race.
 
2013-05-23 08:39:21 PM  

enik: Oh hey riots! Same people, different place.

[gatesofvienna.net image 439x283]
gatesofvienna.net



True dat.
 
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