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(SFGate)   "Is WiFi destroying your brain?"   (blog.sfgate.com) divider line 53
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2013-05-21 09:45:00 PM
i.chzbgr.com
 
2013-05-21 09:54:26 PM
I know Fark is.
 
2013-05-21 09:56:06 PM
I can typing!
 
2013-05-21 10:17:23 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-05-22 12:00:52 AM
No

/it's the alcohol and drugs while using wi-fi
 
2013-05-22 12:07:24 AM
No, MTV did that starting around 1984.
 
2013-05-22 12:29:25 AM
E=hv
 
2013-05-22 01:17:18 AM
No, but the masturbation while watching RedTube is probably making me blind.
 
2013-05-22 01:52:18 AM
It's shiat like this that makes people mistrust scientists.
 
2013-05-22 03:22:02 AM
Ah, the article is describing fun with the Placebo/Nocebo effect! Also known as how to be entirely, completely unethical in your behavior towards people.

Basically, what Psychics, Homeopaths, and people who sell magnetic bracelets to elderly arthritis patients do all the time.

/nocebo and confirmation bias FTW.
 
2013-05-22 03:54:56 AM
How are wifi signals any different from any of the other naturally occurring electromagnetic waves that permeate our atmosphere?
 
2013-05-22 04:15:16 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: How are wifi signals any different from any of the other naturally occurring electromagnetic waves that permeate our atmosphere?


They deliver porn.
 
2013-05-22 04:20:20 AM

hardinparamedic: Ah, the article is describing fun with the Placebo/Nocebo effect! Also known as how to be entirely, completely unethical in your behavior towards people.

Basically, what Psychics, Homeopaths, and people who sell magnetic bracelets to elderly arthritis patients do all the time.

/nocebo and confirmation bias FTW.


People only have to feel better. They don't have to get better.

Went to a psychic fair years ago.  A guy put a helmet lined with blinking red LEDs on my head and told me I'd soon feel wonderful as the special frequencies penetrated deep into my brain. It cost only $300, he added.

"You're right, I do feel wonderful!" I replied, "Because you are farking FUNNY!"
 
2013-05-22 04:37:55 AM

But Wait There's More: No, MTV did that starting around 1984.


No, back then they played actual music.
 
2013-05-22 05:51:39 AM
I'm sorry, I stopped reading it after the first two paragraphs lead to nowhere.  Can someone sum up the article?  I can't brain today, I have the dumb.

/wifi related?
 
2013-05-22 05:55:48 AM
Wi Fi Fo Fum!

I smell the smell of the super dumb...
 
2013-05-22 05:58:58 AM
This thread is going to be an awesome way to see who does and does not bother to RTFA.  Thank you subby!
 
2013-05-22 06:03:44 AM
There used to be a woman who worked in a local department store's electronics department. She claimed to be sensitive to EM fields and Wi-Fi. Yet she seemed perfectly happy working in the computer department.

fark people are dumb.
 
2013-05-22 06:08:58 AM
Is your face getting hot right now? Do you feel an itch or a burn around your eyes, your mouth, perhaps a tightening in your throat? Are you finding it difficult to breathe? Focus? Swallow?

Wi-Fi sounds an awful lot like allergies.

Also:

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-05-22 06:10:21 AM

BumpInTheNight: This thread is going to be an awesome way to see who does and does not bother to RTFA.  Thank you subby!


I DRTFA and I'm not going to, but I know my boss just got a fairly decent-sized grant (like half a mil over 5 years) to study something similar. Not my project so I don't know all the details, but something about determining if certain frequencies can interfere with protein folding, or something.

/I think the hypothesis going into it is "NO", but apparently someone out there thought it was worth half a million dollars to find out for sure.
 
2013-05-22 06:15:33 AM
Not any more than the RF field surrounding us in our houses.

Jesus, these people make me want to create one of those "exile" colonies the Sci-Fi movies are always going on about....
 
2013-05-22 06:18:52 AM
Tv
 
2013-05-22 06:40:01 AM
Only if you use the wrong SSIDs. Use "┓┏ 凵 =╱⊿┌┬┐" if you can find it; that one's safe.
 
2013-05-22 06:45:48 AM

BarkingUnicorn: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: How are wifi signals any different from any of the other naturally occurring electromagnetic waves that permeate our atmosphere?

They deliver porn.




So do cosmic radio waves...you must not have the right codec.
 
2013-05-22 06:51:14 AM

because I care: BumpInTheNight: This thread is going to be an awesome way to see who does and does not bother to RTFA.  Thank you subby!

I DRTFA and I'm not going to, but I know my boss just got a fairly decent-sized grant (like half a mil over 5 years) to study something similar. Not my project so I don't know all the details, but something about determining if certain frequencies can interfere with protein folding, or something.

/I think the hypothesis going into it is "NO", but apparently someone out there thought it was worth half a million dollars to find out for sure.


Well the article isn't really claiming the WiFi is safe (although a brief knowledge of how it works makes it seem incredibly unlikely it would), just that if you tell people that WiFi can hurt them, and then say you are exposing them to WiFi, then around 50% of people start feeling symptoms even if you haven't actually exposed them to WiFi in reality.
 
2013-05-22 07:22:41 AM
No, it's killing my cell battery
 
2013-05-22 07:33:10 AM
nerve attenuation syndrome  from Johnny Mnenonic
 
2013-05-22 07:41:31 AM
fark.    OFF.
 
2013-05-22 07:52:13 AM

ModernLuddite: There used to be a woman who worked in a local department store's electronics department. She claimed to be sensitive to EM fields and Wi-Fi. Yet she seemed perfectly happy working in the computer department.


Did someone explain to her what visible light was, or did everyone conclude that'd be a waste of time?

ModernLuddite: fark people are dumb.


Hey, I resemble that remark.
 
2013-05-22 07:54:25 AM
encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com

Not "destroying", Doctor -- they will live forever.
 
2013-05-22 07:55:46 AM

Millennium: Only if you use the wrong SSIDs. Use "┓┏ 凵 =╱⊿┌┬┐" if you can find it; that one's safe.


Great, thanks for the tip!

Wait....

I don't know where I am....

I DON'T KNOW WHERE I AM!!!
 
2013-05-22 08:19:08 AM

dragonchild: ModernLuddite: There used to be a woman who worked in a local department store's electronics department. She claimed to be sensitive to EM fields and Wi-Fi. Yet she seemed perfectly happy working in the computer department.

Did someone explain to her what visible light was, or did everyone conclude that'd be a waste of time?

ModernLuddite: fark people are dumb.

Hey, I resemble that remark.


Yeah, I mostly just wanted to get out of the room as quickly as possible in case that level of insane was contagious.

Seriously, though, were/are there people who claimed to be affected by radio waves? Or is this a new phenomena?
 
2013-05-22 08:21:17 AM
It's not really an article if it's just an endless string of rhetorical questions about hypothetical situations. At some point any sensible reader is going to actually expect a declarative statement of fact.
 
2013-05-22 08:21:18 AM
Short answer: No.

Long answer: Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo o oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooo!
 
2013-05-22 08:30:00 AM

ModernLuddite: dragonchild: ModernLuddite: There used to be a woman who worked in a local department store's electronics department. She claimed to be sensitive to EM fields and Wi-Fi. Yet she seemed perfectly happy working in the computer department.

Did someone explain to her what visible light was, or did everyone conclude that'd be a waste of time?

ModernLuddite: fark people are dumb.

Hey, I resemble that remark.

Yeah, I mostly just wanted to get out of the room as quickly as possible in case that level of insane was contagious.

Seriously, though, were/are there people who claimed to be affected by radio waves? Or is this a new phenomena?


Hardly a new phenomenon

thebluedawg.files.wordpress.com

I got into an argument with an old high school friend about water fluoridation. So it's fun to see that stupid shiat hasn't died in 50 years either...

/she's been going through a lot lately and needs something to blame
 
2013-05-22 08:43:11 AM

BumpInTheNight: This thread is going to be an awesome way to see who does and does not bother to RTFA.  Thank you subby!


We're supposed to do what now?
 
2013-05-22 08:45:17 AM
The writing style of that author nearly destroyed my brain. Or did it? Can one Know?

What if we could?
 
2013-05-22 08:46:22 AM
No, next question.
 
2013-05-22 08:47:36 AM

Mad_Radhu: No, but the masturbation while watching RedTube is probably making me blind.


Seconded
 
2013-05-22 09:17:05 AM
Is your face getting hot right now? Do you feel an itch or a burn around your eyes, your mouth, perhaps a tightening in your throat? Are you finding it difficult to breathe? Focus? Swallow?

The doctor said the ampicillin will clear it up so long as I finish the entire bottle.
 
2013-05-22 09:27:42 AM
i'm not convinced. I think the lights in here are giving me a brain cloud so the WiFi must be doing something.
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-05-22 09:48:12 AM
And if you think that is bad...just think of all the neutrinos hitting you...
 
2013-05-22 10:21:19 AM
Depends what I'm using the WiFi for.
I could use it to browse the politics tab.
 
2013-05-22 10:44:47 AM
Well realistically for half the population you probably couldn't tell the difference even if it did.
 
2013-05-22 11:08:18 AM
I tend to fall asleep with my phone pouring microwaves into my heart after I fall asleep from fapping to the internet so yeah, stick a wi-fi chip in my brain and leave me in a box on a shelf.

Surrounded by carnivorous skulls.
 
2013-05-22 11:24:42 AM
I highly doubt the premise of the aforementioned article, it is unlikely that wifi causes any kind of.... potato.
 
2013-05-22 11:56:48 AM

xria: Well the article isn't really claiming the WiFi is safe (although a brief knowledge of how it works makes it seem incredibly unlikely it would), just that if you tell people that WiFi can hurt them, and then say you are exposing them to WiFi, then around 50% of people start feeling symptoms even if you haven't actually exposed them to WiFi in reality.


I'll take "non-ionizing electromagnetic radiation" for $500, Alex.

If radio waves made people sick, then we would have started having cancer clusters around AM radio transmitters, some of which broadcast at 50kW or more and have been doing do for almost a century.  As far as I'm aware of, such cancer clusters do not exist.


because I care: my boss just got a fairly decent-sized grant ... to study something similar ... about determining if certain frequencies can interfere with protein folding, or something.


Would be interesting.  But if the research is in response to cellular and WiFi use, I'd be rather suspect given that we've been using high power UHF transmissions for some time (400-800Mhz for TV, 915MHz and 2.45GHz for microwave ovens).  I would suspect that it'd have to be either a narrow range or a higher set of frequencies (3+GHz) than we commonly have used for the past few decades.
 
2013-05-22 12:15:17 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: How are wifi signals any different from any of the other naturally occurring electromagnetic waves that permeate our atmosphere?

They deliver porn.


[Smart]
 
2013-05-22 12:25:13 PM
Did someone actually take a box with a red blinking light and subject EMF "sensitives" to it?


Anyone tell them that big bright ball of matter in the sky called "The Sun" slams them with more EMF radiation than a wifi box?


It won't do anything of course...


Goddamn Luddites and technophobes.  I bet the guy that came up with the first digging tools was told he was evil and shouldn't change things, until it became obvious it made the job of acquiring food easier.
 
2013-05-22 01:19:19 PM
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2013-05-22 01:22:33 PM

meat0918: Goddamn Luddites and technophobes. I bet the guy that came up with the first digging tools was told he was evil and shouldn't change things, until it became obvious it made the job of acquiring food easier.


"Fire?  Oh my proto-god, that's so dangerous!  You're going to kill us all!  Besides, you always overcook my steak."
 
2013-05-22 05:52:29 PM

SpectroBoy: Short answer


Came for this. Leaving satisfied.

/Actually use Ctrl+F to find it
//reading the rest of the thread now
///slashies!
 
2013-05-22 06:45:53 PM
If you're worried about WiFi and its low power output, your Microwave, Power Lines, and AM/FM radio should have you scared shiatless. But you'd still be a moron.
 
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