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2013-05-21 08:47:43 PM  
Vertical purple silos the future for farmgirls.
 
2013-05-21 08:48:13 PM  
FTA The future of vertical farming, Mitchell thinks, lies not in city skyscrapers, but rather in large warehouses located in the suburbs, where real estate and electricity are cheaper.

Makes sense.  That's where they grow all the pot.
 
2013-05-21 08:50:29 PM  
"We've done some calculations, and we lose less water in one day than a KFC restaurant uses, because we recycle all of it."

What an odd comparison to make.
 
2013-05-21 08:52:00 PM  

fusillade762: "We've done some calculations, and we lose less water in one day than a KFC restaurant uses, because we recycle all of it."

What an odd comparison to make.


How many Rhode Islands do you think that is?
 
2013-05-21 08:56:18 PM  
I remember when you could starve a flower makes so much sense now.
 
2013-05-21 08:56:36 PM  

Fano: fusillade762: "We've done some calculations, and we lose less water in one day than a KFC restaurant uses, because we recycle all of it."

What an odd comparison to make.

How many Rhode Islands do you think that is?


4 football fields, approximately
 
2013-05-21 08:57:19 PM  
Frankenfarming.
 
2013-05-21 08:57:56 PM  

Mega Steve: Fano: fusillade762: "We've done some calculations, and we lose less water in one day than a KFC restaurant uses, because we recycle all of it."

What an odd comparison to make.

How many Rhode Islands do you think that is?

4 football fields, approximately


No, fresh water is measured in either Lake Superiors or Lake Baikals.

So that's 1.2 nano-Baikals.
 
2013-05-21 08:58:19 PM  
"but for certain specialty crops, the economics wouldn't be so bad."

Pot and Poppies?
 
2013-05-21 08:59:40 PM  
I love how they're using LEDs when according to all the pot farmers who "do it right" claim they can't get proper light unless they use HPS.

/Love me some LED grow lights.
 
2013-05-21 09:00:10 PM  
Pink Slime, that is.
 
2013-05-21 09:02:41 PM  
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2013-05-21 09:03:50 PM  
What an urban farmer might look like

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2013-05-21 09:03:57 PM  
I'd love to see some of these places.  Many indoor pot growers already grow under these types of red/blue LED lighting systems, and it's being adopted by many hobbyist plant growers (growers of legal stuff like cacti, bromeliads, orchids, etc).

Personally, I'd love the opportunity to switch my grow shelves over to LEDs, but at the moment, the upfront cost is too prohibitive.  For now, I'll stick with t8s and t5s  -- more than enough light for the orchids I grow and plenty for things like peppers.  In a few years when I've (hopefully) got more disposable income and the prices come down a little, I'll consider switching over.

But then, I've also been reading some pretty interesting things about plasma lighting as well.  Most likely, it's not going to be as efficient as LEDs, but I'm taking a wait and see approach.
 
2013-05-21 09:04:21 PM  

meat0918: FTA The future of vertical farming, Mitchell thinks, lies not in city skyscrapers, but rather in large warehouses located in the suburbs, where real estate and electricity are cheaper.

Makes sense.  That's where they grow all the pot.


Bullshiat. I'm from the "Emerald Triangle" Go look on Google Earth and see the hundreds upon hundreds of greenhouses in the middle of goddamn nowhere. What you thought they all grew organic tomatoes and mushrooms? No, I am not getting you any weed.

Anyway, this guys comment FTA kind of irritates me "The idea of taking a skyscraper and turning it into a vertical farming complex is absolutely ridiculous from an energy perspective," says horticulturist of Purdue University, who's been working on ways to grow plants in space for more than 20 years.

And exactly how much energy you going to provide in space for your plan, champ? How much energy is it going to take to put your space farm up there? He's thinking about it the wrong way. I'm ok with a (literally) green building. If lack of space makes you have to go up, and the food sources are closer, then why not try out the idea? Just think you can have a giant virtual tree growing. Put some flowers in it too and make it look nice. Like a steel trees with moss. Would be a hell of an experiment and tourist attraction.
 
2013-05-21 09:04:22 PM  

Target Builder: "but for certain specialty crops, the economics wouldn't be so bad."

Pot and Poppies?


I think that's exactly what he had in mind.  Wondering why pot growers haven't come up with this idea.
 
2013-05-21 09:11:58 PM  

fanbladesaresharp: meat0918: FTA The future of vertical farming, Mitchell thinks, lies not in city skyscrapers, but rather in large warehouses located in the suburbs, where real estate and electricity are cheaper.

Makes sense.  That's where they grow all the pot.

Bullshiat. I'm from the "Emerald Triangle" Go look on Google Earth and see the hundreds upon hundreds of greenhouses in the middle of goddamn nowhere. What you thought they all grew organic tomatoes and mushrooms? No, I am not getting you any weed.

Anyway, this guys comment FTA kind of irritates me "The idea of taking a skyscraper and turning it into a vertical farming complex is absolutely ridiculous from an energy perspective," says horticulturist of Purdue University, who's been working on ways to grow plants in space for more than 20 years.

And exactly how much energy you going to provide in space for your plan, champ? How much energy is it going to take to put your space farm up there? He's thinking about it the wrong way. I'm ok with a (literally) green building. If lack of space makes you have to go up, and the food sources are closer, then why not try out the idea? Just think you can have a giant virtual tree growing. Put some flowers in it too and make it look nice. Like a steel trees with moss. Would be a hell of an experiment and tourist attraction.


But the landscaping is a pain and in less affluent neighborhoods, that'll lead to leaving cars on blocks hanging off the side.
 
2013-05-21 09:12:06 PM  

FrancoFile: Mega Steve: Fano: fusillade762: "We've done some calculations, and we lose less water in one day than a KFC restaurant uses, because we recycle all of it."

What an odd comparison to make.

How many Rhode Islands do you think that is?

4 football fields, approximately

No, fresh water is measured in either Lake Superiors or Lake Baikals.

So that's 1.2 nano-Baikals.


Alright, Mr. Scienceguy. If you're so smart, then how many parsecs are there in a day?
 
2013-05-21 09:13:17 PM  

fanbladesaresharp: How much energy is it going to take to put your space farm up there? He's thinking about it the wrong way. I'm ok with a (literally) green building. If lack of space makes you have to go up, and the food sources are closer, then why not try out the idea?


Because after you factor in the cost to grow the food, the cost of transport of so relatively small that it doesn't really matter where it comes from. That's why all your crap is made in China, because ocean freight is so cheap as to be a non-issue. Building a skyscraper is expensive as shiat, and you want to fill that space with people and businesses, not a bunch of plants that can grow just as well in a converted walmart near the industrial district.
 
2013-05-21 09:14:48 PM  
slida
 
2013-05-21 09:15:20 PM  

Mega Steve: FrancoFile: Mega Steve: Fano: fusillade762: "We've done some calculations, and we lose less water in one day than a KFC restaurant uses, because we recycle all of it."

What an odd comparison to make.

How many Rhode Islands do you think that is?

4 football fields, approximately

No, fresh water is measured in either Lake Superiors or Lake Baikals.

So that's 1.2 nano-Baikals.

Alright, Mr. Scienceguy. If you're so smart, then how many parsecs are there in a day?


You want that in pecks or hogsheads?
 
2013-05-21 09:15:48 PM  
I have heard that song!
 
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2013-05-21 09:15:53 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Target Builder: "but for certain specialty crops, the economics wouldn't be so bad."

Pot and Poppies?

I think that's exactly what he had in mind.  Wondering why pot growers haven't come up with this idea.


Why do you think they haven't?  Usually the local Sheriff's auction is the place to go for indoor gardening gear.  The stoners are probably the ones who break new ground.
 
2013-05-21 09:18:52 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Wondering why pot growers haven't come up with this idea.


I'm betting that they were either the first or one of the first to use R-B LED lighting.
 
2013-05-21 09:35:17 PM  
Monsanto will troll the patents.
 
2013-05-21 09:35:24 PM  

ReverendJynxed: I love how they're using LEDs when according to all the pot farmers who "do it right" claim they can't get proper light unless they use HPS.

/Love me some LED grow lights.


Maybe in the past but from what i hear LED's are great for vegetative growth and they are waaaay easier on the electric bill -- and that keeps the heat down (both literally and figuratively)
 
2013-05-21 09:39:31 PM  
 
2013-05-21 09:39:38 PM  
Will they have interstates running through their front yards?
 
2013-05-21 09:42:30 PM  

fanbladesaresharp: meat0918: FTA The future of vertical farming, Mitchell thinks, lies not in city skyscrapers, but rather in large warehouses located in the suburbs, where real estate and electricity are cheaper.

Makes sense.  That's where they grow all the pot.

Bullshiat. I'm from the "Emerald Triangle" Go look on Google Earth and see the hundreds upon hundreds of greenhouses in the middle of goddamn nowhere. What you thought they all grew organic tomatoes and mushrooms? No, I am not getting you any weed.

He probably doesn't need your weed because he's getting quality from the suburb warehouses. Your triangle stuff's good, but no competition against a well done indoor grow.

 
2013-05-21 09:44:11 PM  

Rye_: I have heard that song!


Well ain't that America?
 
2013-05-21 09:46:50 PM  

FrancoFile: Mega Steve: FrancoFile: Mega Steve: Fano: fusillade762: "We've done some calculations, and we lose less water in one day than a KFC restaurant uses, because we recycle all of it."

What an odd comparison to make.

How many Rhode Islands do you think that is?

4 football fields, approximately

No, fresh water is measured in either Lake Superiors or Lake Baikals.

So that's 1.2 nano-Baikals.

Alright, Mr. Scienceguy. If you're so smart, then how many parsecs are there in a day?

You want that in pecks or hogsheads?


Farthings per fortnight, please.
 
2013-05-21 10:01:42 PM  

TommyDeuce: Rye_: I have heard that song!

Well ain't that America?


Yes, it is. And don't forget, ♬♬ This is our counnttrrryyyyy .... ♬♬
 
2013-05-21 10:01:52 PM  
Vertical gardens are cool.

Until it comes time to pick your crop.

The herb garden isn't so bad, but I'm not looking forward to harvesting the cabbages and pumpkins.
 
2013-05-21 10:10:46 PM  
Urban Industrial Farming is where we'll have to go eventually. Popsci did a wonderful article in... 2008 or so on one said proposal.

It's what got me into aquaponics (Combine Fishfarming and hydroponics in one system), and one day I'll get off my ass and try to pitch the idea to someone around here for funding.
 
2013-05-21 10:13:35 PM  

ReverendJynxed: I love how they're using LEDs when according to all the pot farmers who "do it right" claim they can't get proper light unless they use HPS.

/Love me some LED grow lights.


These guys are talking about using LEDs as supplemental light, to grow plants that are usually harvested in their vegetative state, and which don't grow taller than a foot. They don't have to deal with any of the issues that weed farmers equate with LED lights.
 
2013-05-21 10:17:06 PM  

fusillade762: "We've done some calculations, and we lose less water in one day than a KFC restaurant uses, because we recycle all of it."

What an odd comparison to make.


For some reason, he was just really hungry at the moment. This guy who is an expert on growing specialty crops in resource-intensive, artificially lit, windowless grow houses.
 
2013-05-21 10:19:52 PM  
Point being made was LEDs are awesome for all growing really. Personal experience makes me side with LEDs because of operational cost to yield.
 
2013-05-21 10:28:15 PM  

Mega Steve: FrancoFile: Mega Steve: Fano: fusillade762: "We've done some calculations, and we lose less water in one day than a KFC restaurant uses, because we recycle all of it."

What an odd comparison to make.

How many Rhode Islands do you think that is?

4 football fields, approximately

No, fresh water is measured in either Lake Superiors or Lake Baikals.

So that's 1.2 nano-Baikals.

Alright, Mr. Scienceguy. If you're so smart, then how many parsecs are there in a day?


A parsec is 3.26 light years, so the distance light travels in a day would be 0.00084 parsecs.


/ : )
 
2013-05-21 10:32:42 PM  

fanbladesaresharp: meat0918: FTA The future of vertical farming, Mitchell thinks, lies not in city skyscrapers, but rather in large warehouses located in the suburbs, where real estate and electricity are cheaper.

Makes sense.  That's where they grow all the pot.

Bullshiat. I'm from the "Emerald Triangle" Go look on Google Earth and see the hundreds upon hundreds of greenhouses in the middle of goddamn nowhere. What you thought they all grew organic tomatoes and mushrooms? No, I am not getting you any weed.

Anyway, this guys comment FTA kind of irritates me "The idea of taking a skyscraper and turning it into a vertical farming complex is absolutely ridiculous from an energy perspective," says horticulturist of Purdue University, who's been working on ways to grow plants in space for more than 20 years.

And exactly how much energy you going to provide in space for your plan, champ? How much energy is it going to take to put your space farm up there? He's thinking about it the wrong way. I'm ok with a (literally) green building. If lack of space makes you have to go up, and the food sources are closer, then why not try out the idea? Just think you can have a giant virtual tree growing. Put some flowers in it too and make it look nice. Like a steel trees with moss. Would be a hell of an experiment and tourist attraction.


Um, probably he was working on growing plants in space to feed astronauts, although that's something that should have been pointed out the article....

I dunno. With about a million square miles of arable land in the US and free sunlight, I don't see skyscraper farms being economic or anything but a vast waste of energy. Refrigerating veggies and shipping them to the other side of the world has to be more energy efficient than building a skyscraper for them. Think how much rent for an apartment is.
 
2013-05-21 10:35:56 PM  

ReverendJynxed: I love how they're using LEDs when according to all the pot farmers who "do it right" claim they can't get proper light unless they use HPS.

/Love me some LED grow lights.


What's your brand?

I have a trio of the Sunshine Systems GlowPanel 45's and loved them for my first season (I only use them to start vegetable seedlings), but now in the second season I have at least 6 LEDs out or flickering on each panel (12hrs/day * 3 months = 1,000hrs of a supposed 10,000 life), which seems pretty shiatty to me.

Also, the pot problem is like complaining that you can't light up a room with a laser beam.  The light is so focused that it is all absorbed by the top layers of leaves without being able to penetrate to the lower portions.  The easy fix would be to make a wall of LEDs on the side of the plant.
 
2013-05-21 10:44:49 PM  

Mega Steve: how many parsecs are there in a day?


Approximating the earth's orbit to be circular, the length of the orbit is 94 x 107 km, or 940,000,000 kilometers.

Since there are approximately 365.26 days in one year, we can divide to see how many kilometers the earth travels in one day.

940,000,000 / 365.26 = ~ 2,573,500 km per day.

1 Parsec = 3.08567758 × 1013 km, or 30,856,775,800,000 kilometers.

We can divide to discover that the earth moves in its orbit around the sun 1 Parsec in about 11,990,000 days, or almost 33,000 years.

Or, to answer your question, we can divide the other way and discover that there is approximately 8.34 x 10-8 parsecs in one day.
 
2013-05-21 10:45:33 PM  

theorellior: A parsec is 3.26 light years, so the distance light travels in a day would be 0.00084 parsecs.


Goddammit so much.
 
2013-05-21 10:46:31 PM  

mikefinch: ReverendJynxed: I love how they're using LEDs when according to all the pot farmers who "do it right" claim they can't get proper light unless they use HPS.

/Love me some LED grow lights.

Maybe in the past but from what i hear LED's are great for vegetative growth and they are waaaay easier on the electric bill -- and that keeps the heat down (both literally and figuratively)


Yeah, I use two HPS lights myself (I'm a veggie gardener - actually have my round two seeds sprouting right now) but LED's now are a viable alternative. I'm not buying/building new lights any time soon, but the reduced heat output would be very nice. With my HPS lights I have to very carefully tune my seed germination area to take advantage of the heat. My first attempt at germinating seeds I actually baked them all to death accidentally by having the lights too close with the seeds covered. Seeds are a lot more sensitive to different temperatures then sprouted plants are - and different seeds prefer different temps.
 
2013-05-21 10:48:45 PM  

greggm59: TommyDeuce: Rye_: I have heard that song!

Well ain't that America?

Yes, it is. And don't forget, ♬♬ This is our counnttrrryyyyy .... ♬♬


A country full of hard times, for an honest man.

/very very very hard time.
 
2013-05-21 10:50:33 PM  
This and aquaponics might be a great thing to try out inDetroit these days.  Cheap land and even buildings ready to adapt, a local market for good fresh food, desperate city government willing to try anything.
 
2013-05-21 10:51:09 PM  

Mega Steve: Alright, Mr. Scienceguy. If you're so smart, then how many parsecs are there in a day?


Roughly  0.00083846137
 
2013-05-21 10:52:39 PM  

ox45tallboy: Mega Steve: how many parsecs are there in a day?

Approximating the earth's orbit to be circular, the length of the orbit is 94 x 107 km, or 940,000,000 kilometers.

Since there are approximately 365.26 days in one year, we can divide to see how many kilometers the earth travels in one day.

940,000,000 / 365.26 = ~ 2,573,500 km per day.

1 Parsec = 3.08567758 × 1013 km, or 30,856,775,800,000 kilometers.

We can divide to discover that the earth moves in its orbit around the sun 1 Parsec in about 11,990,000 days, or almost 33,000 years.

Or, to answer your question, we can divide the other way and discover that there is approximately 8.34 x 10-8 parsecs in one day.


Dude, why did you not simply convert 1 light-day to parsecs?
 
2013-05-21 10:57:03 PM  
 
2013-05-21 10:57:20 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: Dude, why did you not simply convert 1 light-day to parsecs?


I went with the distance the earth travels in a day, not the distance light travels. The question was nonspecific.
 
2013-05-21 11:01:55 PM  
I thought the lady in the photo was wearing a tomato plant suit at first glance. Well that's the real future of farming! Second look I realized she's just standing behind the plant. Let down.
 
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