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2013-05-21 09:03:36 PM
Good for him.
 
2013-05-21 09:20:22 PM
At least it wasn't because of.
 
2013-05-21 09:21:05 PM
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Don't be afraid to use your nails, boys!
 
2013-05-21 09:22:15 PM
Not anymore.
 
2013-05-21 09:22:34 PM
Now stay in. Don't let the f*ckers make you resign.
 
2013-05-21 09:24:25 PM
they need to get over it. when i think Boy Scouts, i think "GAAAAY!" anyhow.
 
2013-05-21 09:25:26 PM
Check byline.

AYFKM???
 
2013-05-21 09:25:28 PM
So, for years this guy is a great guy.  Now, suddenly, in the span of 3 seconds he is an evil monster hell-bent on molesting as many little children as possible!

Well, that is at least what the narrow-minded, bigoted, backwards, Medieval homophobes believe.

On a serious note, good for him.  There are thousands upon thousands of homosexuals in the scouts who are members for one reason and one reason only, and that is to teach kids the skills that the Boy Scouts teach.  They are not there looking to molest anyone.  They are not there trying to "convert" anyone.  They are there to teach scouting.  And, Yes, I am aware that there are exceptions to this, but they are just that, exceptions.  It is time for the Boy Scouts to enter into the modern world are to find themselves a bunch of forgotten, backwards relics.
 
2013-05-21 09:25:49 PM
As an Eagle Scout, I wholeheartedly agree with him.  Open the organization to all who want to participate.  it's a great program for getting kids into the outdoors.

Yes, there is the bit about "God" in the Scout Oath, but the "reverent" bit in the Scout Law doesn't just mean Christian.  It's about respecting all religions, even if you don't follow them.  I remember seeing stuff about Buddhism and other religions in the handbook.
 
2013-05-21 09:28:05 PM
Are lesbians allowed to be Girl Scout leaders?
 
2013-05-21 09:30:04 PM
This article / discussion shouldn't even have to exist
 
2013-05-21 09:30:53 PM

skinink: Are lesbians allowed to be Girl Scout leaders?


How can anyone with Internet access be so lazy?
 
2013-05-21 09:31:32 PM

RatMaster999: As an Eagle Scout, I wholeheartedly agree with him.  Open the organization to all who want to participate.  it's a great program for getting kids into the outdoors.

Yes, there is the bit about "God" in the Scout Oath, but the "reverent" bit in the Scout Law doesn't just mean Christian.  It's about respecting all religions, even if you don't follow them.  I remember seeing stuff about Buddhism and other religions in the handbook.


The program has been adapted into at least 25 religions (that you can get the medal, if you wish).  I've personally met Hindu, Muslim, Christian, Jewish, Taoist and Baha'i scouts over the years.  Baden-Powell came to the conclusion that it didn't matter how you respected your maker.  Just that you do so.
 
2013-05-21 09:32:53 PM

skinink: Are lesbians allowed to be Girl Scout leaders?


Yes.
 
2013-05-21 09:34:19 PM

krafty420: This article / discussion shouldn't even have to exist


Well, you can thank the Mor(m)ans for that. Ever since the hostile takeover they've been putting the boot to anyone who doesn't fit in their prudish worldview.
 
2013-05-21 09:34:35 PM
He's just trying to get his Fabulous badge.
 
2013-05-21 09:34:40 PM
I like black chicks, so I guess Iwould get the boot too.
 
2013-05-21 09:35:51 PM

99.998er: I like black chicks, so I guess Iwould get the boot too.


That's "booty."
 
2013-05-21 09:36:21 PM

Another Government Employee: The program has been adapted into at least 25 religions (that you can get the medal, if you wish). I've personally met Hindu, Muslim, Christian, Jewish, Taoist and Baha'i scouts over the years. Baden-Powell came to the conclusion that it didn't matter how you respected your maker. Just that you do so.


Isn't that like saying gay people can get married, as long as it's to someone of the opposite gender?
 
2013-05-21 09:38:32 PM

Ed Grubermann: skinink: Are lesbians allowed to be Girl Scout leaders?

Yes.


You can be born with a penis and be a girl scout.
 
2013-05-21 09:42:37 PM

MrEricSir: Another Government Employee: The program has been adapted into at least 25 religions (that you can get the medal, if you wish). I've personally met Hindu, Muslim, Christian, Jewish, Taoist and Baha'i scouts over the years. Baden-Powell came to the conclusion that it didn't matter how you respected your maker. Just that you do so.

Isn't that like saying gay people can get married, as long as it's to someone of the opposite gender?


Sort of.  But they can be polka dot and green.  :)

B-P felt the discipline that religion (properly practiced) was the foundation of a civilized man.  Remember, the first kids he worked with were Orphans and Chavs from the slums of London. The fact he was successful almost immediately brought him a lot of attention.
 
2013-05-21 09:43:04 PM

RatMaster999: Yes, there is the bit about "God" in the Scout Oath, but the "reverent" bit in the Scout Law doesn't just mean Christian.  It's about respecting all religions, even if you don't follow them.  I remember seeing stuff about Buddhism and other religions in the handbook.


No, but Scouting-as-she-is-practiced assumes Christianity. And non-believers are not allowed. Which is pretty vile.

I am an Eagle Scout, but I refuse to have anything to do with the organization. Yes, there are lots of great elements to Scouting, and I had some great formative experiences there. It played a huge role in who I am- but my conscience can't support them.
 
2013-05-21 09:53:56 PM

Ed Grubermann: krafty420: This article / discussion shouldn't even have to exist

Well, you can thank the Mor(m)ans for that. Ever since the hostile takeover they've been putting the boot to anyone who doesn't fit in their prudish worldview.


And just what percentage of professional scouts at national headquarters are Mormon?  In other words, where is your proof that the Mormons took over the Scouts?
 
2013-05-21 09:57:52 PM

Mock26: Ed Grubermann: krafty420: This article / discussion shouldn't even have to exist

Well, you can thank the Mor(m)ans for that. Ever since the hostile takeover they've been putting the boot to anyone who doesn't fit in their prudish worldview.

And just what percentage of professional scouts at national headquarters are Mormon?  In other words, where is your proof that the Mormons took over the Scouts?


Not so much at National, but about 30% of units are LDS chartered, and that makes quite a contingency.
 
2013-05-21 09:59:30 PM

MrEricSir: Another Government Employee: The program has been adapted into at least 25 religions (that you can get the medal, if you wish). I've personally met Hindu, Muslim, Christian, Jewish, Taoist and Baha'i scouts over the years. Baden-Powell came to the conclusion that it didn't matter how you respected your maker. Just that you do so.

Isn't that like saying gay people can get married, as long as it's to someone of the opposite gender?


Marcus Bachmann would like a word with you.
 
2013-05-21 10:01:53 PM

Another Government Employee: Mock26: Ed Grubermann: krafty420: This article / discussion shouldn't even have to exist

Well, you can thank the Mor(m)ans for that. Ever since the hostile takeover they've been putting the boot to anyone who doesn't fit in their prudish worldview.

And just what percentage of professional scouts at national headquarters are Mormon?  In other words, where is your proof that the Mormons took over the Scouts?

Not so much at National, but about 30% of units are LDS chartered, and that makes quite a contingency.


Still not enough to really affect policy.
 
2013-05-21 10:02:44 PM

Another Government Employee: RatMaster999: As an Eagle Scout, I wholeheartedly agree with him.  Open the organization to all who want to participate.  it's a great program for getting kids into the outdoors.

Yes, there is the bit about "God" in the Scout Oath, but the "reverent" bit in the Scout Law doesn't just mean Christian.  It's about respecting all religions, even if you don't follow them.  I remember seeing stuff about Buddhism and other religions in the handbook.

The program has been adapted into at least 25 religions (that you can get the medal, if you wish).  I've personally met Hindu, Muslim, Christian, Jewish, Taoist and Baha'i scouts over the years.  Baden-Powell came to the conclusion that it didn't matter how you respected your maker.  Just that you do so.


So those of us who don't believe in one can f*ck off?
 
2013-05-21 10:03:34 PM
Special scarves will be issued.

www.bsa-discrimination.org
 
2013-05-21 10:07:22 PM

t3knomanser: RatMaster999: Yes, there is the bit about "God" in the Scout Oath, but the "reverent" bit in the Scout Law doesn't just mean Christian.  It's about respecting all religions, even if you don't follow them.  I remember seeing stuff about Buddhism and other religions in the handbook.

No, but Scouting-as-she-is-practiced assumes Christianity. And non-believers are not allowed. Which is pretty vile.

I am an Eagle Scout, but I refuse to have anything to do with the organization. Yes, there are lots of great elements to Scouting, and I had some great formative experiences there. It played a huge role in who I am- but my conscience can't support them.


Also an Eagle Scout. My experience was that the practice of scouting was actually quite a bit more tolerant than the policy on the books. I was an openly atheistic kid, and I don't remember that issue ever having come up -- just as we had gay kids in there, and all of zero farks were given.

But, then again, maybe that was particular to the troop I was in...sort of the Bad News Bears of Boy Scouting. Still, I'd like to think that nobody took that shiat too seriously. Scouting was just about outdoorsmanship, learning how to set fire to the most improbable things, getting to play with dangerously sharp instruments, and sharing boyhood fantasies about the summer camp for girls across the pond.

*shrugs*
 
2013-05-21 10:09:34 PM
I'm an Eagle Scout and went to a local rally last week defending the ban on openly gay scouts.  I spoke with several of the organizers and scout leaders there about our differences of opinion, and was VERY surprised by how civil and un-derpy the whole conversation was.  That said, had I not clearly identified myself as an Eagle Scout, I imagine the conversation would have happened very differently.
 
2013-05-21 10:10:05 PM

Another Government Employee: Mock26: Ed Grubermann: krafty420: This article / discussion shouldn't even have to exist

Well, you can thank the Mor(m)ans for that. Ever since the hostile takeover they've been putting the boot to anyone who doesn't fit in their prudish worldview.

And just what percentage of professional scouts at national headquarters are Mormon?  In other words, where is your proof that the Mormons took over the Scouts?

Not so much at National, but about 30% of units are LDS chartered, and that makes quite a contingency.


...and don't discount the influence of the (Mormon) Marriott family - Bill and his 3 sons are all Eagle Scouts, the National Capital Region office is called the Marriott Scout Service Center, and they also support Camp Marriott in Virginia.
 
2013-05-21 10:13:06 PM

Mock26: Another Government Employee: Mock26: Ed Grubermann: krafty420: This article / discussion shouldn't even have to exist

Well, you can thank the Mor(m)ans for that. Ever since the hostile takeover they've been putting the boot to anyone who doesn't fit in their prudish worldview.

And just what percentage of professional scouts at national headquarters are Mormon?  In other words, where is your proof that the Mormons took over the Scouts?

Not so much at National, but about 30% of units are LDS chartered, and that makes quite a contingency.

Still not enough to really affect policy.


"The Mormon church tops the list of membership enrollment numbers, with 431,000 youths participating in LDS-sponsored units as of Dec. 31, 2012. That was followed by the United Methodist Church at 364,000 and the Catholic Church at 274,000. More than 70 percent of Scouting units are chartered to faith-based groups."

Methodists are a mixed lot worldwide, but the UMC says that homosexual activity is "incompatible with Christianity" and does not allow practicing homosexuals in leadership positions.  No gay Methodist marriages, either.  Gay Methodist ministers must remain celibate.

The fact that the BSA national leadership is making this proposal suggests that it is not controlled by the anti-gay crowd... or that the crowd willfully assumes that minors may be gay but do not engage in gay activity.
 
2013-05-21 10:14:20 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Another Government Employee: RatMaster999: As an Eagle Scout, I wholeheartedly agree with him.  Open the organization to all who want to participate.  it's a great program for getting kids into the outdoors.

Yes, there is the bit about "God" in the Scout Oath, but the "reverent" bit in the Scout Law doesn't just mean Christian.  It's about respecting all religions, even if you don't follow them.  I remember seeing stuff about Buddhism and other religions in the handbook.

The program has been adapted into at least 25 religions (that you can get the medal, if you wish).  I've personally met Hindu, Muslim, Christian, Jewish, Taoist and Baha'i scouts over the years.  Baden-Powell came to the conclusion that it didn't matter how you respected your maker.  Just that you do so.

So those of us who don't believe in one can f*ck off?


Atheists can't tie knots, anyway.
 
2013-05-21 10:16:11 PM
I expected the headline to be about a gay male admitting he had pedophile tendencies. 

I'm disappoint for the headline win, but very glad that's not the case. 

Agree that TFA shouldn't even need to be an issue. Sad.
 
2013-05-21 10:18:48 PM
Said it in the lesbian basketball player thread last night, and I'll say it again: As long as we make a monstrously huge deal out of LGBT issues, no victory is ever enough.  And I'm a straight-as-they-get former Boy Scout saying that.

\'tis a backwards farked up world we live in when laws that predate Jesus Farking Christ still dominate our morality
 
2013-05-21 10:20:29 PM
Why oh why did I bother to read the comments.  Why oh why...
 
2013-05-21 10:21:45 PM

Froggy: Why oh why did I bother to read the comments.  Why oh why...


Yeah that was some weapons-grade herp right there.
 
2013-05-21 10:27:00 PM

kokomo61: Another Government Employee: Mock26: Ed Grubermann: krafty420: This article / discussion shouldn't even have to exist

Well, you can thank the Mor(m)ans for that. Ever since the hostile takeover they've been putting the boot to anyone who doesn't fit in their prudish worldview.

And just what percentage of professional scouts at national headquarters are Mormon?  In other words, where is your proof that the Mormons took over the Scouts?

Not so much at National, but about 30% of units are LDS chartered, and that makes quite a contingency.

...and don't discount the influence of the (Mormon) Marriott family - Bill and his 3 sons are all Eagle Scouts, the National Capital Region office is called the Marriott Scout Service Center, and they also support Camp Marriott in Virginia.


Eh, the one in Atlanta is a named after a well known Judge (who is still an active leader) and not a Morman.

But, the money does talk.
 
2013-05-21 10:31:15 PM
In this day and age, I really have to commend him for admitting to be a Boy Scout.
 
2013-05-21 10:31:25 PM

Bumblefark: t3knomanser: RatMaster999: Yes, there is the bit about "God" in the Scout Oath, but the "reverent" bit in the Scout Law doesn't just mean Christian.  It's about respecting all religions, even if you don't follow them.  I remember seeing stuff about Buddhism and other religions in the handbook.

No, but Scouting-as-she-is-practiced assumes Christianity. And non-believers are not allowed. Which is pretty vile.

I am an Eagle Scout, but I refuse to have anything to do with the organization. Yes, there are lots of great elements to Scouting, and I had some great formative experiences there. It played a huge role in who I am- but my conscience can't support them.

Also an Eagle Scout. My experience was that the practice of scouting was actually quite a bit more tolerant than the policy on the books. I was an openly atheistic kid, and I don't remember that issue ever having come up -- just as we had gay kids in there, and all of zero farks were given.

But, then again, maybe that was particular to the troop I was in...sort of the Bad News Bears of Boy Scouting. Still, I'd like to think that nobody took that shiat too seriously. Scouting was just about outdoorsmanship, learning how to set fire to the most improbable things, getting to play with dangerously sharp instruments, and sharing boyhood fantasies about the summer camp for girls across the pond.

*shrugs*


Those are the best units.  They have just enough adult influence to keep everyone from killing themselves.  Otherwise, fark up to your heart's content.  (Still is the best way to learn)
 
2013-05-21 10:31:54 PM
I totally misread that headline, subconsciously adding the tagline "..smokes cigarette."
 
2013-05-21 10:34:25 PM
Just teach kids how to survive.
 
2013-05-21 10:35:14 PM
Good luck.

Trying to get the BSA to accept gay and atheist scouts and leaders by working to "change things from the inside" is a bit like trying to get the KKK to soften its stance about blacks by joining the organization and trying to turn others to your point of view.

/Eagle Scout
//I got better
 
2013-05-21 10:37:19 PM

LazarusLong42: Trying to get the BSA to accept gay and atheist scouts and leaders by working to "change things from the inside" is a bit like trying to get the KKK to soften its stance about blacks by joining the organization and trying to turn others to your point of view.


And you think they're going to organically change through outside coercion?
 
2013-05-21 10:39:44 PM

Mock26: So, for years this guy is a great guy.  Now, suddenly, in the span of 3 seconds he is an evil monster hell-bent on molesting as many little children as possible!

Well, that is at least what the narrow-minded, bigoted, backwards, Medieval homophobes believe.

On a serious note, good for him.  There are thousands upon thousands of homosexuals in the scouts who are members for one reason and one reason only, and that is to teach kids the skills that the Boy Scouts teach.  They are not there looking to molest anyone.  They are not there trying to "convert" anyone.  They are there to teach scouting.  And, Yes, I am aware that there are exceptions to this, but they are just that, exceptions.  It is time for the Boy Scouts to enter into the modern world are to find themselves a bunch of forgotten, backwards relics.


Rules are rules are rules

If you suck the d!ck you loose the kingdom.

No pole smokers allowed it is a very simple rule for a private organization. Don't like it? We fark you I don't like old farts in banana hammocks marching in my city, I am not down there with sign or in court messing with their thing I leave them alone please return the courtesy.
 
2013-05-21 10:40:10 PM

imagonyx123: In this day and age, I really have to commend him for admitting to be a Boy Scout.


Dude, if you are going to make a comment like that you should at least offer some aloe vera for the massive burn!
 
2013-05-21 10:41:22 PM

Another Government Employee: RatMaster999: As an Eagle Scout, I wholeheartedly agree with him.  Open the organization to all who want to participate.  it's a great program for getting kids into the outdoors.

Yes, there is the bit about "God" in the Scout Oath, but the "reverent" bit in the Scout Law doesn't just mean Christian.  It's about respecting all religions, even if you don't follow them.  I remember seeing stuff about Buddhism and other religions in the handbook.

The program has been adapted into at least 25 religions (that you can get the medal, if you wish).  I've personally met Hindu, Muslim, Christian, Jewish, Taoist and Baha'i scouts over the years.  Baden-Powell came to the conclusion that it didn't matter how you respected your maker.  Just that you do so.


And atheists get the boot.   At least in america.  Europe don't give a shiat.
 
2013-05-21 10:43:13 PM

Kaenneth: Ed Grubermann: skinink: Are lesbians allowed to be Girl Scout leaders?

Yes.

You can be born with a penis and be a girl scout.


Girls can join venture crews at 13. Long distance hiking climbing shooting sports sailing. Same rule no rugmunchers allowed. Leave us alone!
 
2013-05-21 10:49:13 PM

Bumblefark: t3knomanser: RatMaster999: Yes, there is the bit about "God" in the Scout Oath, but the "reverent" bit in the Scout Law doesn't just mean Christian.  It's about respecting all religions, even if you don't follow them.  I remember seeing stuff about Buddhism and other religions in the handbook.

No, but Scouting-as-she-is-practiced assumes Christianity. And non-believers are not allowed. Which is pretty vile.

I am an Eagle Scout, but I refuse to have anything to do with the organization. Yes, there are lots of great elements to Scouting, and I had some great formative experiences there. It played a huge role in who I am- but my conscience can't support them.

Also an Eagle Scout. My experience was that the practice of scouting was actually quite a bit more tolerant than the policy on the books. I was an openly atheistic kid, and I don't remember that issue ever having come up -- just as we had gay kids in there, and all of zero farks were given.

But, then again, maybe that was particular to the troop I was in...sort of the Bad News Bears of Boy Scouting. Still, I'd like to think that nobody took that shiat too seriously. Scouting was just about outdoorsmanship, learning how to set fire to the most improbable things, getting to play with dangerously sharp instruments, and sharing boyhood fantasies about the summer camp for girls across the pond.

*shrugs*


It varies from troop to troop a great deal.
 
2013-05-21 10:52:03 PM

GoldSpider: LazarusLong42: Trying to get the BSA to accept gay and atheist scouts and leaders by working to "change things from the inside" is a bit like trying to get the KKK to soften its stance about blacks by joining the organization and trying to turn others to your point of view.

And you think they're going to organically change through outside coercion?


No, that would be a silly thing to believe.  I think they're going to continue to be staunchly anti-equality and slowly fade into obscurity.  Not slowly enough, mind you.

Would I prefer the BSA get its head out of its ass and become useful to society once again?  Sure.  And maybe it'll happen.  But I'm not holding my breath.

(There's a small chance the BSA will splinter into two factions, which will make for a couple of decades of interesting legal challenges and very, very rich lawyers.)
 
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