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2013-05-21 08:35:41 PM  
Fark that.
 
2013-05-21 08:38:14 PM  
To echo the flow of comments from TFA, Fark that indeed.
 
2013-05-21 08:40:05 PM  
media.tumblr.com 

screw microsoft and xbox one.
 
2013-05-21 08:42:06 PM  
Sine this seems to be as close to an Xbox One thread as we'll get today, I'll just leave this here:

news.cnet.com
 
2013-05-21 08:42:27 PM  
Nope nope nope.

/Stand in line to buy a game in a box just so you can go online before you get it?
/Why not just sell by download only and skip the walmart/gamestop middle man?
/Because that's basically what's happened and they won't be any happier once they've realized that.
 
2013-05-21 08:44:41 PM  

way south: Nope nope nope.

/Stand in line to buy a game in a box just so you can go online before you get it?
/Why not just sell by download only and skip the walmart/gamestop middle man?
/Because that's basically what's happened and they won't be any happier once they've realized that.


There is absolutely no reason I should be paying the same price for downloading the game than the stores charge, other than stores would probably refuse to carry the game if EA or Activision undersold them on it.

I say this after buying Defiance in the store the other day.  It was an impulsive buy.  Liking it ok so far, but I liked Rifts too.
 
2013-05-21 08:45:44 PM  
"The bits that are on that disc, you can give it to your friend and they can install it on an Xbox One," he said. "They would then have to purchase the right to play that game through Xbox Live."

"They would be paying the same price we paid, or less?" we asked.

"Let's assume it's a new game, so the answer is yes, it will be the same price," Harrison said.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-05-21 08:46:58 PM  
Neither system is giving me the warm fuzzies.

Now, did I hear it correctly that EA sports is going to be a Xbox One set of exclusives?
I don't play them, but that could be a game winner for MS.
 
2013-05-21 08:50:31 PM  
The only good thing about the announcement today was the revelation that the Xbox One will be x86-based like the PS4. So porting from console to PC and vice-versa should be easily done. Let the Second Golden Age of PC gaming commence!
 
2013-05-21 08:51:56 PM  
 
2013-05-21 08:53:32 PM  
Having to connect to the internet once per day to use it is a nice touch too.  From this interview:

"Kotaku: If I'm playing a single player game, do I have to be online at least once per hour or something like that? Or can I go weeks and weeks?
Harrison: I believe it's 24 hours.
Kotaku: I'd have to connect online once every day.
Harrison: Correct."
 
2013-05-21 08:54:08 PM  
Gamestop XBoxmay soon have something in common with Borders

Fixed.
 
2013-05-21 08:54:59 PM  

meat0918: I say this after buying Defiance in the store the other day.  It was an impulsive buy.  Liking it ok so far, but I liked Rifts too.


I've been enjoying the TV show so far. It has potential. And the theme song gives me chills. The Mayor's sister is cute, too. Though I'm sensing a bit of Mal/Inara in her relationship with Nolan.
 
2013-05-21 08:55:05 PM  
So, you need to subscribe to xbox live to play a game you've bought and paid for?
That's a non-starter.
 
2013-05-21 08:56:00 PM  

meat0918: way south: Nope nope nope.

/Stand in line to buy a game in a box just so you can go online before you get it?
/Why not just sell by download only and skip the walmart/gamestop middle man?
/Because that's basically what's happened and they won't be any happier once they've realized that.

There is absolutely no reason I should be paying the same price for downloading the game than the stores charge, other than stores would probably refuse to carry the game if EA or Activision undersold them on it.

I say this after buying Defiance in the store the other day.  It was an impulsive buy.  Liking it ok so far, but I liked Rifts too.


Well I would but not just for content, there is also availability to consider.
...Granted this is more of a personal issue for me since I live in the boonies and it can take weeks for the sneakernet to reach me.  The thought of getting a game pre-downloaded and released at very the second of its launch is tempting.  No games out of stock, no delays, and no local price gouging to deal with.

I would miss not being able to wait a month or three and get it on sale, but that's an issue Microsoft should consider with its pricing.
People go to gamestop for cheap used games and this isn't difficult to emulate online.
It would be better than ripping off consumers by charging new prices for outdated media.
 
2013-05-21 08:57:15 PM  
Seems like they are just doing what Steam does. I have a few games I preordered with GameStop that I had to activate on Steam. So I now have physical discs that I don't really need (unless I didn't feel like downloading an entire game). I could give one of these discs to someone that doesn't have the game and they could purchase the game on Steam then instead of downloading the game, run the installer from the disc.

Also, are the purchases linked to a specific Xbox or just your account? If its just the account, couldn't you just log into your account with the game on your friend's Xbox?
 
2013-05-21 08:57:32 PM  
To the parents of Tweens/Teens:  I'm sorry, but you will be buying this or something similar.

To the 20-somethings:  Now is a good time to escape from video game land.  It's nice out here, don't be afraid.

To the "gamers":  Once the latest Call of Duty comes out your tough talk will evaporate.  You know damn well that you will be buying one of the new consoles.
 
2013-05-21 08:57:41 PM  
Subby, Microsoft may soon have something in common with Sega.

Seriously.  Always online lite, and a fee (pyable in virtual currency (MS bitcoins?) to play/sell used games?

F That.  MS just gave Sony a huge opening to win back everyone they alienated.
 
2013-05-21 08:59:14 PM  
I read the article and the rather confused talk from the official sources about these features. And then I realized...
it wouldn't be an Xbox announcement event if there weren't four or five competing points of view on the topic from official spokespersons!

Does anyone remember their MTV announcement special for the Xbox 360 where they barely showed any games and focused on a bunch of junky features that never amounted to much? That was better than what they showed off today IMO.
 
2013-05-21 09:00:10 PM  
MS next Gen:

cdn.avsforum.com

Let's glue two phat PS3's together (after making fun of the bulky PS3)

/Seriously, that thing is HUGE.
 
2013-05-21 09:03:46 PM  

Cytokine Storm: Francis has weighed in.


Ye Gods that was perfect.
 
2013-05-21 09:05:05 PM  

TyrantII: Subby, Microsoft may soon have something in common with Sega.

Seriously.  Always online lite, and a fee (pyable in virtual currency (MS bitcoins?) to play/sell used games?

F That.  MS just gave Sony a huge opening to win back everyone they alienated.


It remains to be seen at this point.
Sony was going in the same direction with cloud requirements, no backwards compatibility, and unusual billing practices.
Gamers are impatient and will probably get over the changes faster than Sony or Microsoft can capitalize on their exclusive franchises.

/Steam has been doing the single user license successfully for years on PC, and no ones complained.
/Granted that most PC gamers don't go to their friends houses to play since they don't have friends.
 
2013-05-21 09:05:14 PM  
Follow the money.  What does Microsoft have to gain from this?  Nothing.  What do the publishers have to gain from this?  Everything.  My theory is that this was done to make the publishers happy, you know, the loudest voice against used gaming.
 
2013-05-21 09:07:05 PM  

lemurs: Having to connect to the internet once per day to use it is a nice touch too.  From this interview:

"Kotaku: If I'm playing a single player game, do I have to be online at least once per hour or something like that? Or can I go weeks and weeks?
Harrison: I believe it's 24 hours.
Kotaku: I'd have to connect online once every day.
Harrison: Correct."


and that's it, i'm out. i have enough old games from ps2 back to atari i need never fark with new games again.
 
2013-05-21 09:07:54 PM  

TyrantII: Subby, Microsoft may soon have something in common with Sega.

Seriously.  Always online lite, and a fee (pyable in virtual currency (MS bitcoins?) to play/sell used games?

F That.  MS just gave Sony a huge opening to win back everyone they alienated.


Between this, #dealwithit and Nintendo going after the "Let's Play" crowd on Youtube Sony might not even have to do anything outside of basic advertising.  BTW that's not good for the gaming world, it needs competition.
 
2013-05-21 09:09:45 PM  
I'm a PC Gamer so I've got no dog in this race (I don't hate on consoles, but I live in the boonies so internet is wireless).  Everything I read today is a big "fark that".  I also find it incredibly funny that over on Kotaku they also mentioned after the Xbox 1 announcement that Sony's stock went UP.  There really is no need to have 1 thing do THAT much in terms of entertainment value, that is also controlled by a farking "cloud".  Xbox Live is down?  Good luck doing *anything*...movies, games, etc...if it's in the cloud you're screwed and some Lulzsec basement dweller just creamed his shorts.

But hey, new CoD!
 
2013-05-21 09:10:14 PM  
I liked a lot of the entertainment features I saw on the One today, but the used games, always on kinect, and possibly always on internet "features" have me leaning towards Sony right now.

Also I'm pretty underwhelmed by the graphics. I wanted to see something obviously better, not "I suppose the lighting looks better, and oh yeah there's more detail if you look closely"
 
2013-05-21 09:13:27 PM  
After being a loyal Xboxer since it the 360 came out... Steam Box for me!
 
2013-05-21 09:13:38 PM  

way south: TyrantII: Subby, Microsoft may soon have something in common with Sega.

Seriously.  Always online lite, and a fee (pyable in virtual currency (MS bitcoins?) to play/sell used games?

F That.  MS just gave Sony a huge opening to win back everyone they alienated.

It remains to be seen at this point.
Sony was going in the same direction with cloud requirements, no backwards compatibility, and unusual billing practices.
Gamers are impatient and will probably get over the changes faster than Sony or Microsoft can capitalize on their exclusive franchises.

/Steam has been doing the single user license successfully for years on PC, and no ones complained.
/Granted that most PC gamers don't go to their friends houses to play since they don't have friends.


Steam also sells games for $5 and forces publishers to play ball because of their distribution platform. (Which has actually been good for publishers mostly, except when they get the false idea they could have sold the same # of copies but @ full price)

Publishers pushing the killing of the used console game market are trying to recapture their monopolistic pricing ability, not to expand pricing options, so not sure how that relates.  They've already been forced this gen to implement quicker price drops and interesting release models.  They hate that and just want to charge a blanket $60-70.
 
2013-05-21 09:14:18 PM  

TyrantII: MS next Gen:

[cdn.avsforum.com image 461x307]

Let's glue two phat PS3's together (after making fun of the bulky PS3)

/Seriously, that thing is HUGE.


You know, from that angle it looks like the love child of the PS3 and NES.
 
2013-05-21 09:15:21 PM  
Well, looks like I'm gonna need to upgrade my PC...
 
2013-05-21 09:15:46 PM  

Great Janitor: Follow the money.  What does Microsoft have to gain from this?  Nothing.  What do the publishers have to gain from this?  Everything.  My theory is that this was done to make the publishers happy, you know, the loudest voice against used gaming.


I'm wondering what Walmart thinks about this.
I don't know if this is still true, but the big stores used to have so much influence they could even weigh in on a games design. They don't sell used games but would lose money from an online only distribution.

Microsoft is obviously channeling steam with its Live sales.
...Why didn't they take the obvious next step and cut brick and mortar stores out of the deal entirely?
Why not download everything and attach it to the players account with a "can use on X number of systems" rule (similar to what iTunes does for music and movies).
That way your friends could download games linked to your account to play while you're signed in at their house.

/Why, I'm thinking, is because Walmart and Microsoft still need those disk sales.
/They just don't give two shiats about Gamestop or pirates.
/So we get an abomination of online limited physical media...
 
2013-05-21 09:16:34 PM  

Great Janitor: Follow the money.  What does Microsoft have to gain from this?  Nothing.  What do the publishers have to gain from this?  Everything.  My theory is that this was done to make the publishers happy, you know, the loudest voice against used gaming.


Who sells games and consoles: retailers.

This is a very thin line they're walking, especially with the power retailers have if they revolt.  Which leads me to fear they got word Sony made the same deal.  Because if they're going at it alone, not only are they pissing off consumers, but their retail partners that end up selling their hardware and software (thin margins).  They survive off used games and assessories.
 
2013-05-21 09:17:14 PM  
The good:

Works great with your cable for enhanced TV
Kinect seems to work better
improved the controller

The bad:
No BC
No lending the game to a friend, used games, etc without a fee to install the game
Non-removable HDD
Must dial home at least once daily
focus seems to be on tv, and not games

Not really impressed with this showing.  Maybe E3 will be different, but wow was this one underwhelming.
 
2013-05-21 09:17:23 PM  

Cytokine Storm: "The bits that are on that disc, you can give it to your friend and they can install it on an Xbox One," he said. "They would then have to purchase the right to play that game through Xbox Live."

"They would be paying the same price we paid, or less?" we asked.


"Let's assume it's a new game, so the answer is yes, it will be the same price," Harrison said.

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the answer is yes, it will be the same price
it will be the same price
same price


media.comicvine.com
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i2.kym-cdn.com

/trust me... it needed more than one...
 
2013-05-21 09:17:41 PM  

way south: Nope nope nope.

/Stand in line to buy a game in a box just so you can go online before you get it?
/Why not just sell by download only and skip the walmart/gamestop middle man?
/Because that's basically what's happened and they won't be any happier once they've realized that.


Well, speaking for those of us who still have pretty slow "broadband" access, it can take forever to download 8GB.  I buy Steam games all the time retail, install them, then register with Steam in order to play them.

This doesn't appear to be very different.  I would like the option, however, of being able to download a purchased game after the fact, like it is with Steam now.  I don't want to carry a damn disc with me everywhere if I don't have to.
 
2013-05-21 09:18:01 PM  

Tanuki no Kintama: Also, are the purchases linked to a specific Xbox or just your account? If its just the account, couldn't you just log into your account with the game on your friend's Xbox?


Yes, which is what Kotaku had to admit to after it was finished talking out of it's ass...once again.

Now, we return everyone to their regularly scheduled mass hysteria already in progress.
 
2013-05-21 09:18:39 PM  
The steam box is looking like its got absolutely no threats to entry at this point.  Good times!
 
2013-05-21 09:20:51 PM  

Shrugging Atlas: Tanuki no Kintama: Also, are the purchases linked to a specific Xbox or just your account? If its just the account, couldn't you just log into your account with the game on your friend's Xbox?

Yes, which is what Kotaku had to admit to after it was finished talking out of it's ass...once again.

Now, we return everyone to their regularly scheduled mass hysteria already in progress.


Sorta.  You can play it on a friends, so long as they log into your profile.  If they want to play on their own, they have to pay.

BumpInTheNight: The steam box is looking like its got absolutely no threats to entry at this point.  Good times!


Steam already has much of this, in terms of DRM and such.
 
2013-05-21 09:21:00 PM  
Microsoft will soon learn some new math: (Windows) 8 + (Xbox) 1 = 0 Customers.
 
2013-05-21 09:21:39 PM  

hawcian: TyrantII: MS next Gen:

[cdn.avsforum.com image 461x307]

Let's glue two phat PS3's together (after making fun of the bulky PS3)

/Seriously, that thing is HUGE.

You know, from that angle it looks like the love child of the PS3 and NES.


It looks about the same size as a set top DVR, which is what it sounds like they are going for.

I'd settle for large and quiet as opposed to small, quirky, and FARKING LOUD, which is what my original xBox 360 still is.  Damn thing sounds like a jet taking off.

No RROD yet, and it's been six years I think.  I have the 12GB hard drive model - that's one of the early ones.
 
2013-05-21 09:21:43 PM  
-can't remove/upgrade internal hdd
-no word on whether any external hdd can be used or if proprietary external hdd is mandatory
-can't play games without installing to hdd
-can't use without kinect
-can't play used games without online pass
-can't transfer games between accounts on the same console (games are tied to account)
-can't play xbox 360/xbla games
-can't use live tv service without separate peripheral
-weaker gpu than ps4
-enormous amount of ram dedicated to OS features
-hypervisor up the ass
-fugly box
-fugly controller
-name that will make database managers pull hair out
-same old 1st party games beaten to death
-same old subscriptions for things every device on earth has for free

sounds great
 
2013-05-21 09:22:04 PM  

BumpInTheNight: The steam box is looking like its got absolutely no threats to entry at this point.  Good times!


While I eagerly await the Steam Box, I'll also believe it when I see it which still sounds like it won't be for a while still.  But yeah, knowing even what little we know compared to what we already know about the new consoles, I think it will sell like crazy.
 
2013-05-21 09:23:31 PM  

AdamK: -can't remove/upgrade internal hdd
-no word on whether any external hdd can be used or if proprietary external hdd is mandatory
-can't play games without installing to hdd
-can't use without kinect
-can't play used games without online pass
-can't transfer games between accounts on the same console (games are tied to account)
-can't play xbox 360/xbla games
-can't use live tv service without separate peripheral
-weaker gpu than ps4
-enormous amount of ram dedicated to OS features
-hypervisor up the ass
-fugly box
-fugly controller
-name that will make database managers pull hair out
-same old 1st party games beaten to death
-same old subscriptions for things every device on earth has for free

sounds great


Also, 2 OS running in visualization.  WTF is up with that?

That can't be good for performance.
 
2013-05-21 09:25:19 PM  

AdamK: -can't play games without installing to hdd


Setting aside your other points...some of which I agree with, some of which are a matter of opinion, and some of which are horseshiat, can someone explain to me why they don't install games on the hdd of their current 360?  Fark the slower load times and noise that comes with using the disc drive.
 
2013-05-21 09:26:34 PM  

Shrugging Atlas: BumpInTheNight: The steam box is looking like its got absolutely no threats to entry at this point.  Good times!

While I eagerly await the Steam Box, I'll also believe it when I see it which still sounds like it won't be for a while still.  But yeah, knowing even what little we know compared to what we already know about the new consoles, I think it will sell like crazy.


Steambox is just going to be affordable gaming rigs that Valve hopes to entice developers to optimize their games for.  If they can get enough market share, they can get consumers more bang for their buck like consoles do, and give Dev's easier development targets.

Steambox is really going to PO the uber PC gaming nerds if it's successful.  They're already complaining about console dumbing down of PC games, wait till games get steamboxed and now run at 500fps on their $4k rigs....
 
2013-05-21 09:27:46 PM  
Ugh, my internet was knocked out for weeks last winter. I'll be really annoyed if I just can't use my XBOne whenever that happens.
 
2013-05-21 09:31:39 PM  

TyrantII: Steambox is just going to be affordable gaming rigs that Valve hopes to entice developers to optimize their games for.  If they can get enough market share, they can get consumers more bang for their buck like consoles do, and give Dev's easier development targets.

Steambox is really going to PO the uber PC gaming nerds if it's successful.  They're already complaining about console dumbing down of PC games, wait till games get steamboxed and now run at 500fps on their $4k rigs....


The alternative...which I'm considering now...is just building a smaller tower PC and plugging it into my 55" TV.  Full surround sound, massive screen with the Big Picture mode, and you can make a damn good gaming rig for a pretty reasonable price without taking up all that much room.  Hook a wireless mouse, 360 controller and keyboard to it and you're pretty much set.

There is of course still the matter of my wife probably losing her shiat over me slapping a PC on our TV....
 
2013-05-21 09:32:14 PM  
Wow, that's greedy as hell. Count me in with the steam box people.
 
2013-05-21 09:38:39 PM  
Shrugging Atlas:

There is of course still the matter of my wife probably losing her shiat over me slapping a PC on our TV....

Add a media server and rip every check flick and show on BD she'd ever want to see.  She'll see the value.
 
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