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2013-05-21 08:17:01 PM  
They should stick to real sports.
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Like skateboarding.
 
2013-05-21 10:14:18 PM  
OK, I live in queens near Flushing Meadow Park and while I would have had no problem with another stadium for an NFL team, no way for some wimpy soccer, let them use on of the other sports stadiums in the city, its not like they'll need that many seat. Keep flushing meadow park normal, just because we have lakes, sports fields, a zoo, science museum. art museum, rockets, botanical gardens, golfing center, ice skating rink, stuff left over from the worlds fair, the mets, US Open and other stuff doesn't give you the right to force a soccer stadium on us. Place in in the Bronx or Staten Island or use one of the baseball stadiums or somewhere else, but leave my park alone.


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Oh and this new soccer thing is new and despite that the local papers like the Queens Herald, Queens Tribune, Flushing News, Forest Hills Patch, etc as well as the city-wide paper, NY Post, Daily News, etc  are all already trashing it and everyone near me here in Queens hates the ideas, even the immigrants from countries that actually like soccer. SO don't move this soccer trash here
 
2013-05-21 10:38:36 PM  

jedihirsch: OK, I live in queens near Flushing Meadow Park and while I would have had no problem with another stadium for an NFL team, no way for some wimpy soccer, let them use on of the other sports stadiums in the city, its not like they'll need that many seat. Keep flushing meadow park normal, just because we have lakes, sports fields, a zoo, science museum. art museum, rockets, botanical gardens, golfing center, ice skating rink, stuff left over from the worlds fair, the mets, US Open and other stuff doesn't give you the right to force a soccer stadium on us. Place in in the Bronx or Staten Island or use one of the baseball stadiums or somewhere else, but leave my park alone.


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Oh and this new soccer thing is new and despite that the local papers like the Queens Herald, Queens Tribune, Flushing News, Forest Hills Patch, etc as well as the city-wide paper, NY Post, Daily News, etc  are all already trashing it and everyone near me here in Queens hates the ideas, even the immigrants from countries that actually like soccer. SO don't move this soccer trash here


They can take the Botanical Garden, though. The most pathetic and depressing BG I have ever seen.
 
2013-05-21 11:09:26 PM  
Despite the haters who just want to hate on soccer, you have to admit MLS is doing pretty well:

Will be up to 20 teams, and have teams in 9 of the Top 10 TV markets.
Most teams operate their own stadiums, they don't share their stadiums with an NFL or MLB team.
Games on two broadcast networks, and two cable channels (ABC/ESPN, NBC/NBCSN).
In its entire history, only 2 teams have moved or folded (the two Florida teams).

It wasn't that long ago that the MLS was considered a league in the same breath with the AFL and WNBA.  I'd say most with good knowledge would put them much closer to the NHL than those two leagues now (although, to be fair the AFL and WNBA have probably gone down from where they were in the mid 2000's as much as MLS has went up).

Obviously, there is still a lot of growth potential there, between improving the level of soccer to make it closer to a top level league in the world to existing US soccer fans, and to bring in more US sports fans to follow soccer.   But, MLS is in a much better position than the NASL was heading into the mid 80s to its death.

The fact that the league went to a 2nd NY team though, it seems like that leaves MLS open to get to possibly 22-24 teams?  Seems like they could return to have at least 1 Florida market team, possibly a Minneapolis team, someone in Detroit bought the Silverdome, looking to convert it isn't a 30k soccer stadium.  So, I think they'll probably be at 24 teams by the end of the decade.
 
2013-05-21 11:21:18 PM  

PC LOAD LETTER: jedihirsch: OK, I live in queens near Flushing Meadow Park and while I would have had no problem with another stadium for an NFL team, no way for some wimpy soccer, let them use on of the other sports stadiums in the city, its not like they'll need that many seat. Keep flushing meadow park normal, just because we have lakes, sports fields, a zoo, science museum. art museum, rockets, botanical gardens, golfing center, ice skating rink, stuff left over from the worlds fair, the mets, US Open and other stuff doesn't give you the right to force a soccer stadium on us. Place in in the Bronx or Staten Island or use one of the baseball stadiums or somewhere else, but leave my park alone.


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Oh and this new soccer thing is new and despite that the local papers like the Queens Herald, Queens Tribune, Flushing News, Forest Hills Patch, etc as well as the city-wide paper, NY Post, Daily News, etc  are all already trashing it and everyone near me here in Queens hates the ideas, even the immigrants from countries that actually like soccer. SO don't move this soccer trash here

They can take the Botanical Garden, though. The most pathetic and depressing BG I have ever seen.


Its great for casual walking, its a public free gardens, and is amazing this time of year to look at. don't knock it, you sound like one of those brooklyn fanatic always harping about their precious gardens next to the brooklyn museum and the park. If you're from queens then where do you prefer, the abandoned station in forest park? the horse trails there? Maybe the mountain biking trails in Cunningham, or perhaps alley pond? But don't knock my FMP
 
2013-05-21 11:54:17 PM  
I'm sure Queens cares about a dirty concrete pond and a few dirt soccer fields, because that's what would be lost when they build the stadium. God forbid people use the world's fair grounds like they were supposed too.
 
2013-05-22 12:03:22 AM  
Daily Fail + Sports Tab?

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2013-05-22 12:22:14 AM  

dletter: Despite the haters who just want to hate on soccer, you have to admit MLS is doing pretty well:

Will be up to 20 teams, and have teams in 9 of the Top 10 TV markets.
Most teams operate their own stadiums, they don't share their stadiums with an NFL or MLB team.
Games on two broadcast networks, and two cable channels (ABC/ESPN, NBC/NBCSN).
In its entire history, only 2 teams have moved or folded (the two Florida teams).

It wasn't that long ago that the MLS was considered a league in the same breath with the AFL and WNBA.  I'd say most with good knowledge would put them much closer to the NHL than those two leagues now (although, to be fair the AFL and WNBA have probably gone down from where they were in the mid 2000's as much as MLS has went up).

Obviously, there is still a lot of growth potential there, between improving the level of soccer to make it closer to a top level league in the world to existing US soccer fans, and to bring in more US sports fans to follow soccer.   But, MLS is in a much better position than the NASL was heading into the mid 80s to its death.

The fact that the league went to a 2nd NY team though, it seems like that leaves MLS open to get to possibly 22-24 teams?  Seems like they could return to have at least 1 Florida market team, possibly a Minneapolis team, someone in Detroit bought the Silverdome, looking to convert it isn't a 30k soccer stadium.  So, I think they'll probably be at 24 teams by the end of the decade.


Get rid of Chivas?

I know the league wants that sweet, sweet oil money from Abu Dhabi, but I still wonder how well this is going to play out.  Since New York already has a team (it's in Jersey, but still), how many new fans will this team get?  Will building a stadium in Queens and not being named after an energy drink cause a bunch of fans to jump ship from RBNY to this new team and, if so, what happens to the Red Bulls?  If not, will this team tap into an unseen demand in New York or do the Red Bulls already have that market covered?  Is location and a shiatty name really preventing that many people from caring about the Red Bulls?  If all the Red Bull fans remain loyal, does NYCFC wither on the vine as the second fiddle soccer team in a US city that only had meh fan support to begin with?

Also, let's look at the ownership.  Sheikh Mansour obviously had no qualms about spending oodles of money on Manchester City, but he has also lost oodles of money on Manchester City.  In a league that will have much, much less revenue then the Premiere league this will likely mean that his spending will be greatly restrained or he will lose shiatloads of money here too.  The Yankees are part-owners and while they might be willing to spend money to win, I don't think they are willing to lose money to win.  How much will the Yankees put up with before freaking out?  Also, what about the salary cap?  If this is all about exposure/better talent then that means the rules about salary cap and the foreign player limit will have to be loosened.  If they are, what's preventing it from getting out of control like the NASL?  Does the MLS think it is in a strong enough position where it won't get killed by that?  If those limits stay in place then how will this accomplish anything other then add another team in a city with meh fan support?

This all assumes that the Sheikh will actually be interested in keeping this team profitable.  What are the chances that this will just be treated as a workaround for new financial rules or that this will turn into Chivas East?
 
2013-05-22 12:36:53 AM  
Half back passes to the center, back to the wing, back to the center. Center holds it. Holds it. Holds it...

/You'll see all your favorite soccer stars. Like Adiaga! Adiaga two! Badiaga! Aruglia! And Pizzoza!
//zzzzz...
 
2013-05-22 12:37:42 AM  
So an oil funded autocrat and the NY Yankees team up to make a soccer club in NYC and call it a Football Club? It's like they want to piss off every other fan across the nation. I dunno why they're so keen to double up. Chivas is an utter catastrophe (although that has less to do w/ Los Angeles and more to do w/ ownership). And making such a big deal about NY Red Bulls/Metrostars is laughable. They've never done ANYTHING impressive. No Open Cups, no MLS Cups, no nothing. They're worse than the Knicks, at least the Knicks won a couple of times.
 
2013-05-22 01:04:48 AM  
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Make sense to me.  They know how to cater to Yankee fans, soccer fans aren't much different.
 
2013-05-22 01:10:36 AM  
Doesn't make sense to me.  Red Bulls don't exactly sell out games, and the NY Cosmos are set to return to NASL in the second half of the season.  Why have 2 teams in LA and 2 teams in NY?  Why not spread out to untapped markets to help spread your fan base?
 
2013-05-22 01:18:30 AM  

Outrageous Muff: I'm sure Queens cares about a dirty concrete pond and a few dirt soccer fields, because that's what would be lost when they build the stadium. God forbid people use the world's fair grounds like they were supposed too.


Have you ever been there????? Its a well maintained beautiful park. I live ten minute walk from the park, specifically where fields 13 & 14 are right by willow lake and meadow lake. So shut up about what you have no farking clue about, here are photos of the park or you can get out of your mom's basement and actually visit there. With the exception of Industry Pond and the reflecting pools, the rest of the water are natural bodies, and those soccer/cricket/football and the baseball fields are some of the best maintained ones in the city. So shut the fark up you ignorant derp

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So don't insult what you have no farking clue about derp
 
2013-05-22 01:39:12 AM  

jedihirsch: Outrageous Muff: I'm sure Queens cares about a dirty concrete pond and a few dirt soccer fields, because that's what would be lost when they build the stadium. God forbid people use the world's fair grounds like they were supposed too.

Have you ever been there????? Its a well maintained beautiful park. I live ten minute walk from the park, specifically where fields 13 & 14 are right by willow lake and meadow lake. So shut up about what you have no farking clue about, here are photos of the park or you can get out of your mom's basement and actually visit there. With the exception of Industry Pond and the reflecting pools, the rest of the water are natural bodies, and those soccer/cricket/football and the baseball fields are some of the best maintained ones in the city. So shut the fark up you ignorant derp

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So don't insult what you have no farking clue about derp


We get it, you're all poor, jesus.
 
2013-05-22 01:41:38 AM  
Wouldn't that make like 4 NYC-area MLS clubs? Now, I'm no soccer expert or sports business analyst, but I get the feeling that the MLS is spreading themselves a bit thin in the NYC region.

/even if it's just 3 teams, it still seems like a bit much in one area
//how about putting a Chicago team in an area that's accessible to more than just the southwest suburbs, MLS?
 
2013-05-22 01:59:50 AM  

germ78: Wouldn't that make like 4 NYC-area MLS clubs? Now, I'm no soccer expert or sports business analyst, but I get the feeling that the MLS is spreading themselves a bit thin in the NYC region.

/even if it's just 3 teams, it still seems like a bit much in one area
//how about putting a Chicago team in an area that's accessible to more than just the southwest suburbs, MLS?


This is the second team, but the Cosmos are riding a nostalgia wave in the NASL.
 
2013-05-22 02:02:14 AM  

germ78: Wouldn't that make like 4 NYC-area MLS clubs? Now, I'm no soccer expert or sports business analyst, but I get the feeling that the MLS is spreading themselves a bit thin in the NYC region.

/even if it's just 3 teams, it still seems like a bit much in one area
//how about putting a Chicago team in an area that's accessible to more than just the southwest suburbs, MLS?


Huh? No, it would be two teams in the region. Although RBNY is essentially in Newark. I have to take three trains to get to Red Bull Arena from my place right now, and for many people in the five boroughs it would be 4 or 5.

The current plan calls for removing a grand total of...two acres of greenspace from the park. I feel like that could be adequately made up somewhere. None of the idyllic pictures jedihirsch has posted here would be effected by this plan.

/excited to see how this comes together...may even end up a season ticket holder
//are they going to do powder blue uniforms with navy pinstripes?
///they should just move red bull arena to Miami, Atlanta, or up to Boston to save the pathetic Revs
 
2013-05-22 02:09:36 AM  

jedihirsch: Have you ever been there????? Its a well maintained beautiful park


I was there like a week ago. Those fountains are not running and it's not that well maintained. There are a couple giant ugly dilapidated structure left over from eons ago.  It's a nice park, and I had a lovely stroll through it after a mets game but let's be real. Plus, it isn't going anywhere. There not taking away much. Relax.
 
2013-05-22 02:51:18 AM  

jedihirsch: OK, I live in queens near Flushing Meadow Park and while I would have had no problem with another stadium for an NFL team, no way for some wimpy soccer, let them use on of the other sports stadiums in the city, its not like they'll need that many seat. Keep flushing meadow park normal, just because we have lakes, sports fields, a zoo, science museum. art museum, rockets, botanical gardens, golfing center, ice skating rink, stuff left over from the worlds fair, the mets, US Open and other stuff doesn't give you the right to force a soccer stadium on us. Place in in the Bronx or Staten Island or use one of the baseball stadiums or somewhere else, but leave my park alone.


So in other words, get off your lawn?
 
2013-05-22 02:56:36 AM  

Outrageous Muff: I'm sure Queens cares about a dirty concrete pond and a few dirt soccer fields, because that's what would be lost when they build the stadium. God forbid people use the world's fair grounds like they were supposed too.


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2013-05-22 02:59:59 AM  
They call it NYC FC and idiots will flock to support a wannabe soccer club with a name that has some Euro cachet. They'll suck, but they'll sell plenty of shirts.
 
2013-05-22 05:01:42 AM  

dletter: Despite the haters who just want to hate on soccer, you have to admit MLS is doing pretty well:

Will be up to 20 teams, and have teams in 9 of the Top 10 TV markets.
Most teams operate their own stadiums, they don't share their stadiums with an NFL or MLB team.
Games on two broadcast networks, and two cable channels (ABC/ESPN, NBC/NBCSN).
In its entire history, only 2 teams have moved or folded (the two Florida teams).

It wasn't that long ago that the MLS was considered a league in the same breath with the AFL and WNBA.  I'd say most with good knowledge would put them much closer to the NHL than those two leagues now (although, to be fair the AFL and WNBA have probably gone down from where they were in the mid 2000's as much as MLS has went up).

Obviously, there is still a lot of growth potential there, between improving the level of soccer to make it closer to a top level league in the world to existing US soccer fans, and to bring in more US sports fans to follow soccer.   But, MLS is in a much better position than the NASL was heading into the mid 80s to its death.

The fact that the league went to a 2nd NY team though, it seems like that leaves MLS open to get to possibly 22-24 teams?  Seems like they could return to have at least 1 Florida market team, possibly a Minneapolis team, someone in Detroit bought the Silverdome, looking to convert it isn't a 30k soccer stadium.  So, I think they'll probably be at 24 teams by the end of the decade.


Honestly, a team in St. Louis would be a better idea than any of the three areas you've proposed. With a likely move for the Rams out to St. Louis County with a new stadium on a 300+ acre site right next to Soccer Park (formerly owned by AB now run by Scott Gallagher Soccer Club), two stadiums could be put on the site. Football stadium on the western side and Soccer stadium on the eastern side with the Soccer Park to be used as the training center and team offices. Parking would be shared between the two stadiums like the Truman Sports Complex in Kansas City.
 
2013-05-22 07:06:20 AM  
dletter:
The fact that the league went to a 2nd NY team though, it seems like that leaves MLS open to get to possibly 22-24 teams?  Seems like they could return to have at least 1 Florida market team, possibly a Minneapolis team, someone in Detroit bought the Silverdome, looking to convert it isn't a 30k soccer stadium.  So, I think they'll probably be at 24 teams by the end of the decade.

I was really hoping the Detroit team would be the next picked, but mostly for selfish reasons. I'm tired of driving 5-6 hours to go see a Crew game.
Beckham is in talks for part ownership in another team, I see him looking at one of the 'prettier' markets, like Florida.  For some reason I can't really see him coming to Detroit.
 
2013-05-22 07:28:13 AM  

JSam21: dletter: Despite the haters who just want to hate on soccer, you have to admit MLS is doing pretty well:

Will be up to 20 teams, and have teams in 9 of the Top 10 TV markets.
Most teams operate their own stadiums, they don't share their stadiums with an NFL or MLB team.
Games on two broadcast networks, and two cable channels (ABC/ESPN, NBC/NBCSN).
In its entire history, only 2 teams have moved or folded (the two Florida teams).

It wasn't that long ago that the MLS was considered a league in the same breath with the AFL and WNBA.  I'd say most with good knowledge would put them much closer to the NHL than those two leagues now (although, to be fair the AFL and WNBA have probably gone down from where they were in the mid 2000's as much as MLS has went up).

Obviously, there is still a lot of growth potential there, between improving the level of soccer to make it closer to a top level league in the world to existing US soccer fans, and to bring in more US sports fans to follow soccer.   But, MLS is in a much better position than the NASL was heading into the mid 80s to its death.

The fact that the league went to a 2nd NY team though, it seems like that leaves MLS open to get to possibly 22-24 teams?  Seems like they could return to have at least 1 Florida market team, possibly a Minneapolis team, someone in Detroit bought the Silverdome, looking to convert it isn't a 30k soccer stadium.  So, I think they'll probably be at 24 teams by the end of the decade.

Honestly, a team in St. Louis would be a better idea than any of the three areas you've proposed. With a likely move for the Rams out to St. Louis County with a new stadium on a 300+ acre site right next to Soccer Park (formerly owned by AB now run by Scott Gallagher Soccer Club), two stadiums could be put on the site. Football stadium on the western side and Soccer stadium on the eastern side with the Soccer Park to be used as the training center and team offices. Parking would be shared between the two stadium ...


As NYer, I thought this should have waited a bit, as they've been chomping at the bit for another NY team for the last 12 years.  From what I've heard, the MLS will eventually expand to 24 teams.  The best candidates a FL team, St. Louis.  Detroit is in the running, but the MLS is not too keen on the Silverdome.  Beckham wants to put a team in Miami for the pizzazz, but Orlando City in the USL (Div II) already pulls an average of 7000 spectators per season, and, we know how fickle Miami's sports fans can be.
 
2013-05-22 07:35:47 AM  
There are a lot of soccer fans in NYC, but they're almost all fans of European or Mexican leagues. Far as I can tell, no one really cares about th Red Bulls. Why would a 2nd team be any different? Seems like they'd just be dividing up further the small subset of soccer fans interested in MLS soccer.
 
2013-05-22 07:38:58 AM  
So are Seattle and Portland the only 2 clubs that draw consistently well?
 
2013-05-22 07:55:55 AM  

Doc Daneeka: There are a lot of soccer fans in NYC, but they're almost all fans of European or Mexican leagues. Far as I can tell, no one really cares about th Red Bulls. Why would a 2nd team be any different? Seems like they'd just be dividing up further the small subset of soccer fans interested in MLS soccer.


I don't care about the Red Bulls because it's an enormous pain in the ass to get to their stadium and an even bigger one to get back into the city after a game.

Put a team somewhere accessible by the subway and I'm there.
 
2013-05-22 08:05:07 AM  
Cannot wait for Lafayette to play Lehigh for their football rivalry in 2014
 
2013-05-22 08:09:21 AM  

That_Dude: Since New York already has a team (it's in Jersey, but still), how many new fans will this team get?  Will building a stadium in Queens and not being named after an energy drink cause a bunch of fans to jump ship from RBNY to this new team and, if so, what happens to the Red Bulls?


As someone who has lived in Kearny (next door to Harrison), people from Queens/Brooklyn would rather ride the Acela to Boston or DC than ride the PATH.  No logical reason, but it is.  They do manage to go to the Meadowlands for Giants/Jets, but it's under duress.

Harrison (+Ironbound+Kearny) has good transit, a world-class stadium, a very long soccer history, and there are more people in Northern Jersey (alone) than in the Seattle, Phoenix, or Minneapolis markets.  Not that their attendance is up to what the league would like, but one survey since the move to Harrison said that 75% of their current attendees come from NJ.  So, they're already well along the path of being 'the Devils' of the summer.
 
2013-05-22 08:20:36 AM  

JSam21: So are Seattle and Portland the only 2 clubs that draw consistently well?


LA Galaxy do fine. Kansas City have had sellouts (of a slightly smaller stadium than those two) for over two years now, including even the random Wednesday night games.  Salt Lake, Houston, RBNY, and Philly, and the three Canadian clubs all average over 17k (in ticket sales anyway... a lot of RBNY games have 12k actual butts in 25k seats so they look bad).  San Jose is selling as many seats as they can in Buck Shaw. Dallas is finally picking up this year as their team is good and there's more to do in Frisco, TX.

The only real problems are Chivas, New England and Chicago. Columbus and Colorado could do better, but they're steady.  DC is on the verge of losing their long-held fans between RFK and being awful.
 
2013-05-22 08:30:41 AM  

jedihirsch: PC LOAD LETTER: jedihirsch: OK, I live in queens near Flushing Meadow Park and while I would have had no problem with another stadium for an NFL team, no way for some wimpy soccer, let them use on of the other sports stadiums in the city, its not like they'll need that many seat. Keep flushing meadow park normal, just because we have lakes, sports fields, a zoo, science museum. art museum, rockets, botanical gardens, golfing center, ice skating rink, stuff left over from the worlds fair, the mets, US Open and other stuff doesn't give you the right to force a soccer stadium on us. Place in in the Bronx or Staten Island or use one of the baseball stadiums or somewhere else, but leave my park alone.


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Oh and this new soccer thing is new and despite that the local papers like the Queens Herald, Queens Tribune, Flushing News, Forest Hills Patch, etc as well as the city-wide paper, NY Post, Daily News, etc  are all already trashing it and everyone near me here in Queens hates the ideas, even the immigrants from countries that actually like soccer. SO don't move this soccer trash here

They can take the Botanical Garden, though. The most pathetic and depressing BG I have ever seen.

Its great for casual walking, its a public free gardens, and is amazing this time of year to look at. don't knock it, you sound like one of those brooklyn fanatic always harping about their precious gardens next to the brooklyn museum and the park. If you're from queens then where do you prefer, the abandoned station in forest park? the horse trails there? Maybe the mountain biking trails in Cunningham, or perhaps alley pond? But don't knock my FMP


I can walk to FMP in 30 minutes, and attempt to bike there if it's not flooded. However, it floods all the damn time and the only thing I consistently like about it is the Dragon Boat Festival, which is great. If one has a large family and one likes public grilling, then yes, it's a great park. It's great for a lot of people and lots of people clearly love it, just that it has not much of value for myself, so no, I do not say many nice things about it. Cunningham's ok, Alley Pond's walk is nice, and you have the Queens Giant, which is pretty fracking awesome. Forest Park's horse trails are vastly better, primarily because there are actual horses there, and it is an actual forest rather than a filled in swamp and 2 fake lakes, but it isn't a BG, so you might as well compare it to Fort Totten while you are at it. Brookly BG *is* superior to any BG in NY. I say that being from The Bronx.
 
2013-05-22 08:31:28 AM  

PC LOAD LETTER: 30 minutes


15, really.
 
2013-05-22 08:33:42 AM  

Yanks_RSJ: I don't care about the Red Bulls because it's an enormous pain in the ass to get to their stadium and an even bigger one to get back into the city after a game.

Put a team somewhere accessible by the subway and I'm there.


Lawnchair: As someone who has lived in Kearny (next door to Harrison), people from Queens/Brooklyn would rather ride the Acela to Boston or DC than ride the PATH.  No logical reason, but it is.  They do manage to go to the Meadowlands for Giants/Jets, but it's under duress.


Maybe it's because I lived in Newark and worked in NYC (instead of the other way around) and took PATH every day (even before the WTC station reopened), but I don't understand this sentiment.

Only time I ever had a problem was the day of the Blackout where I waited in a three hour line for a ferry, then another hour for a bus in a pitch black Jersey City. Had power at home though.
 
2013-05-22 09:08:00 AM  

jedihirsch: Have you ever been there????? Its a well maintained beautiful park. I live ten minute walk from the park, specifically where fields 13 & 14 are right by willow lake and meadow lake. So shut up about what you have no farking clue about, here are photos of the park or you can get out of your mom's basement and actually visit there. With the exception of Industry Pond and the reflecting pools, the rest of the water are natural bodies, and those soccer/cricket/football and the baseball fields are some of the best maintained ones in the city. So shut the fark up you ignorant derp


I have. Every time I go to Mets game I take a stroll around the park before the game. Once you get past the tennis courts and the pieces of the park adjacent to the US Open facility you get acres of old dusty soccer fields that are always packed with locals playing, but that's it. The proposed spot of the stadium is where a disgusting "pond" is located, in reality it's a concrete pit filled with water. The fountains at the globe have never once been on when I was there and the fields surrounding the pond are shells of their former selves. Now there are a few newer fields there and they look nice, but it's not the pristine park it was in the 60's.  With the city/mets investment in the chop shop areas plus a new soccer park in a borough with a HUGE Spanish population will do wonders for Flushing and Willet's Point.

Don't pretend you know all just because you live in the city. There are plenty of people that know what they place looks like and could look like.
 
2013-05-22 09:09:25 AM  

The Bestest: Maybe it's because I lived in Newark and worked in NYC (instead of the other way around) and took PATH every day (even before the WTC station reopened), but I don't understand this sentiment.


Go to the Harrison PATH station after a Red Bulls game sometime and see for yourself.  And it's not like there's a lot to do around the stadium to kill time before coming back to the city, it's in a damn train yard.
 
2013-05-22 09:24:34 AM  
It would be kind of cool to see this team treated as a true minor league team to Man City but I know that MLS is not set up to allow that.

That being said - the name will be...drum roll...

The New York Mankees
 
2013-05-22 09:46:09 AM  
NYC City?
 
2013-05-22 09:47:24 AM  
I always thought San Diego would be a great place for an MLS team. Minneapolis too. Regardless, I think 20 teams is enough for a while.
 
2013-05-22 10:17:34 AM  

Doc Daneeka: There are a lot of soccer fans in NYC, but they're almost all fans of European or Mexican leagues. Far as I can tell, no one really cares about th Red Bulls. Why would a 2nd team be any different? Seems like they'd just be dividing up further the small subset of soccer fans interested in MLS soccer.


The 2nd team is different because they were willing to pay a $100 million expansion fee
 
2013-05-22 10:42:14 AM  

fo_sho!: It would be kind of cool to see this team treated as a true minor league team to Man City but I know that MLS is not set up to allow that.

That being said - the name will be...drum roll...

The New York Mankees


Damn, that's good.
 
2013-05-22 10:43:48 AM  

akuma976: Doesn't make sense to me.  Red Bulls don't exactly sell out games, and the NY Cosmos are set to return to NASL in the second half of the season.  Why have 2 teams in LA and 2 teams in NY?  Why not spread out to untapped markets to help spread your fan base?


It's not just about geography, it's also about population. If you have 2% of your population interested in seeing a local soccer team, you need to have a critical mass of population to fill a stadium. In the NYC metro area, that population in 2012 was 8,336,697, which is more than the entire 2012 state populations of Montana, Delaware, North Dakota, South Dakota, Vermont, Wyoming, Nebraska and West Virginia. Combined.

There is also the issue that more rural communities tend to be a lot more homogenous and less integrated with ex-pats, and that more of them have deeper longstanding connections to existing regional sports teams. It's not impossible, but you can't assume that if you build a big stadium in the middle of Nebraska you're going to get fans clamoring to fill the seats simply because it's there. The league is being smart to start where they know they have a large population and a higher percentage of fans that like watching soccer in general.
 
2013-05-22 10:59:56 AM  

Yanks_RSJ: Go to the Harrison PATH station after a Red Bulls game sometime and see for yourself.  And it's not like there's a lot to do around the stadium to kill time before coming back to the city, it's in a damn train yard.


I could see your point, but I have no idea how much the area has changed (aside from brief visits) as I've been exiled to Atlanta lo these past 8 years.
Someone upthread mentioned Atlanta as a possible MLS expansion site.. nah.. there's already a NASL team here that barely draws.
 
2013-05-22 11:35:23 AM  

The Bestest: Yanks_RSJ: Go to the Harrison PATH station after a Red Bulls game sometime and see for yourself.  And it's not like there's a lot to do around the stadium to kill time before coming back to the city, it's in a damn train yard.

I could see your point, but I have no idea how much the area has changed (aside from brief visits) as I've been exiled to Atlanta lo these past 8 years.
Someone upthread mentioned Atlanta as a possible MLS expansion site.. nah.. there's already a NASL team here that barely draws.


And Atlanta is just really not a great sports town... Georgia is a college football state, and the pro teams in Atlanta basically just survive because Atlanta has a lot of people, so, odds are just enough people will show up to games to keep teams afloat, not based on a large base of passionate fans of their teams.

I was going to mention St. Louis above as well.... If you get to 24 teams and want 4 divisions and a good central division, St. Louis would be a good spot as well.

East: NYRB, Queens, Philly, NE, Toronto, Montreal
Central: Chicago, Columbus, DC, *St Louis, *Minnesota, *Detroit
South: KC, Dallas, Houston, Colorado, SLC, *Florida
West: LA, Chivas, San Jose, Portland, Seattle, Vancouver

*-future expansion past 20

/I know that soccer traditionally doesn't like to split up divisions the way most other leagues in the U.S. do though (they like to have much larger "tables"), so, you might just have an East (East/Central) and West (South/West) still.
 
2013-05-22 12:20:17 PM  
Anyone actually gone to a Chicago Fire game? How is Toyota Park. Thinking about bringing my son to one and we are coming from Green Bay? I mean besides the Fire being a pile of suck.


/GO SOUNDERS
//No team in Miami for no one to support!
/// Twin Cities FC or STL next up!
 
2013-05-22 12:32:51 PM  

dletter: Florida


Why in the everloving fark is MLS even remotely considering putting another team in Miami. The first one (along with Tampa) didn't work. They folded. The Marlins draw no one. The Dolphins struggle to draw more than any NFL team has any right to. The Heat couldn't draw fans and had to make a video explaining how to be a fan even after the team signed LeBron farking James. Miami is a bad market for sports. Miami FC will go the way of the Miami Fusion and Tampa Bay Mutiny. If it went to Florida, it absolutely has to be in Orlando where Orlando City SC currently draws 8000+ for their 3rd division team.


Next four markets up: San Antonio, Orlando, Minnesota, Phoenix*


*Complete homer pick since I'm from Phoenix. Objective choice: Pittsburgh

MLS expansion teams should absolutely not go to somewhere like Detroit or St. Louis. Cities need to have a proven track record of attracting fans before they get a team. Right now Orlando and San Antonio are the only ones consistently drawing good crowds for lower division teams, so they should be next up.
 
2013-05-22 12:43:48 PM  

eagles95: Anyone actually gone to a Chicago Fire game? How is Toyota Park. Thinking about bringing my son to one and we are coming from Green Bay? I mean besides the Fire being a pile of suck.


/GO SOUNDERS
//No team in Miami for no one to support!
/// Twin Cities FC or STL next up!


Would love a team up here in Wisconsin, but the chances of that happening are about the same as Alex Morgan and I becoming a couple, if not less

sigh....Go Union

\DOOP
 
2013-05-22 01:02:03 PM  

Chupacabra Sandwich: dletter: Florida

Why in the everloving fark is MLS even remotely considering putting another team in Miami. The first one (along with Tampa) didn't work. They folded. The Marlins draw no one. The Dolphins struggle to draw more than any NFL team has any right to. The Heat couldn't draw fans and had to make a video explaining how to be a fan even after the team signed LeBron farking James. Miami is a bad market for sports. Miami FC will go the way of the Miami Fusion and Tampa Bay Mutiny. If it went to Florida, it absolutely has to be in Orlando where Orlando City SC currently draws 8000+ for their 3rd division team.


Next four markets up: San Antonio, Orlando, Minnesota, Phoenix*


*Complete homer pick since I'm from Phoenix. Objective choice: Pittsburgh

MLS expansion teams should absolutely not go to somewhere like Detroit or St. Louis. Cities need to have a proven track record of attracting fans before they get a team. Right now Orlando and San Antonio are the only ones consistently drawing good crowds for lower division teams, so they should be next up.


I agree with you 100% Where does Orlando play down there? Can't they just drop a 20K Soccer only grass stadium at Disney Wide World of Sports and give it to Beckham. Seriously...how could this fail? Road teams would get their fans to pull a roadie to Disney World. I'd go to games there for sure following the Sounders or even some other teams that i am starting to enjoy watching. Orlando has a great fan base already to get the season tickets bought up. Plus Beckham gets his franchise in Florida where we know he wants to be. I would love MN but they are paying for the new Vikings stadium so i doubt they are rushing to build a soccer only stadium. And i doubt they are going to put them in the new Metrodome so we dont have another Revs/DCU issue
 
2013-05-22 01:03:10 PM  

Chupacabra Sandwich: dletter: Florida

Why in the everloving fark is MLS even remotely considering putting another team in Miami. The first one (along with Tampa) didn't work. They folded. The Marlins draw no one. The Dolphins struggle to draw more than any NFL team has any right to. The Heat couldn't draw fans and had to make a video explaining how to be a fan even after the team signed LeBron farking James. Miami is a bad market for sports. Miami FC will go the way of the Miami Fusion and Tampa Bay Mutiny. If it went to Florida, it absolutely has to be in Orlando where Orlando City SC currently draws 8000+ for their 3rd division team.


Next four markets up: San Antonio, Orlando, Minnesota, Phoenix*


*Complete homer pick since I'm from Phoenix. Objective choice: Pittsburgh

MLS expansion teams should absolutely not go to somewhere like Detroit or St. Louis. Cities need to have a proven track record of attracting fans before they get a team. Right now Orlando and San Antonio are the only ones consistently drawing good crowds for lower division teams, so they should be next up.


FYI, I purposefully said "Florida" to mean one FL market, be it Miami, Orlando, or Tampa.  It does sound like Orlando might make the most sense (both from a existing base standpoint, and nothing other than the Magic and Predators as far as "Pro" teams to compete with), although some celeb owner will probably want to be in the "sexier" Miami.
 
2013-05-22 02:35:38 PM  

eagles95: I would love MN but they are paying for the new Vikings stadium so i doubt they are rushing to build a soccer only stadium. And i doubt they are going to put them in the new Metrodome so we dont have another Revs/DCU issue


No, the MSP plan would very much be to share the new dome.  Which is working, to some definitions of working (a handful of players are adamantly anti-turf), in Seattle and Vancouver.  It would hopefully be like those two and not the Revs primarily because it's in the smack-middle of Minneapolis, not middle of gorram nowhere Foxboro.  I don't think Wilf's heart is really in an MLS team, though, it was primarily a little added razzle-dazzle for his Viking Stadium political maneuvering.  Now that that's done... meh.

Even though getting out of NFL stadiums was key to the growth of MLS, having a few teams in NFL/CFL stadiums with strong MLS planning is probably going to be part of the league for a long time to come.  Similarly, if San Diego gets around to a downtown Chargers stadium before the Chargers leave, I would almost expect a rebranded Chivas to end up there.
 
2013-05-22 02:46:55 PM  
I

Lawnchair: eagles95: I would love MN but they are paying for the new Vikings stadium so i doubt they are rushing to build a soccer only stadium. And i doubt they are going to put them in the new Metrodome so we dont have another Revs/DCU issue

No, the MSP plan would very much be to share the new dome.  Which is working, to some definitions of working (a handful of players are adamantly anti-turf), in Seattle and Vancouver.  It would hopefully be like those two and not the Revs primarily because it's in the smack-middle of Minneapolis, not middle of gorram nowhere Foxboro.  I don't think Wilf's heart is really in an MLS team, though, it was primarily a little added razzle-dazzle for his Viking Stadium political maneuvering.  Now that that's done... meh.

Even though getting out of NFL stadiums was key to the growth of MLS, having a few teams in NFL/CFL stadiums with strong MLS planning is probably going to be part of the league for a long time to come.  Similarly, if San Diego gets around to a downtown Chargers stadium before the Chargers leave, I would almost expect a rebranded Chivas to end up there.


If they go to MN and use the new dome...thats awesome! Chivas is a mess top to bottom and needs to get relocated . SD would be cool or give ATL a shot. Seriously, MLS needs a club in the Southeast US
 
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