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(Daily Kos)   So, apparently the GOP's chief attack dog Darrell Issa knew of the IRS inquiry nearly a year ago. So much for Obama covering up this "scandal" to win the election   (dailykos.com) divider line 197
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2013-05-21 05:03:41 PM
i40.tinypic.com
 
2013-05-21 05:07:10 PM
0bama got to him, too!!!!!1eleventy
 
2013-05-21 05:10:12 PM

markie_farkie: 0bama got to him, too!!!!!1eleventy


Judging by the way in which he has prosecuted the Benghazi investigation, that is in fact a plausibility.
 
2013-05-21 05:11:01 PM
I don't think Obama willfully covered up anything of the sort, but they are equating the Treasury Department notifying White House counsel that the inquiry had CONCLUDED with notifying Congress they were going to undertake in inquiry based on reports the IRS was targeting "certain groups."  And I believe that some Administration officials were notified that an inquiry was ongoing last summer, but they didn't take it to the President.  That's pretty weak to equate the two.
 
2013-05-21 05:15:47 PM
i still think it's a case of a number cruncher figuring out a way to deal with the massive influx of 501(c)(4) applications. it was wrong - but i don't think it was politically motivated.
 
2013-05-21 05:17:06 PM
How many scandals did Issa have to cover to get elected?

/I'm betting it's a higher number
 
2013-05-21 05:17:10 PM

FlashHarry: i still think it's a case of a number cruncher figuring out a way to deal with the massive influx of 501(c)(4) applications. it was wrong - but i don't think it was politically motivated.



I'm leaning towards that as well. It seems like if it was politically motivated, they would have been turned down.
 
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2013-05-21 05:24:39 PM

Blues_X: FlashHarry: i still think it's a case of a number cruncher figuring out a way to deal with the massive influx of 501(c)(4) applications. it was wrong - but i don't think it was politically motivated.


I'm leaning towards that as well. It seems like if it was politically motivated, they would have been turned down.


If it was politically motivated they would have done a better job of covering it up so nothing could be proven.  I think Axlerod said something like that.  No political operative would have signed on to something so politically damaging.
 
2013-05-21 05:28:22 PM

Blues_X: FlashHarry: i still think it's a case of a number cruncher figuring out a way to deal with the massive influx of 501(c)(4) applications. it was wrong - but i don't think it was politically motivated.


I'm leaning towards that as well. It seems like if it was politically motivated, they would have been turned down.


plus it fits with the fact that the IRS is WAY understaffed at the moment and citizens united unleashed a torrent of 501(c)(4) applications - the vast majority of which were from conservative groups. keyword searching for "tea party" and "patriot" makes sense from a purely numbers point of view. unfortunately it was also really boneheaded and just plain wrong from an ethical point of view.
 
2013-05-21 05:29:23 PM

FlashHarry: i still think it's a case of a number cruncher figuring out a way to deal with the massive influx of 501(c)(4) applications. it was wrong - but i don't think it was politically motivated.


Unless you want to go deeper and suggest that Republican operatives urged people to create THOUSANDS of these entities vying for tax-exempt status as a way of overwhelming the IRS and forcing some kind of investigation as to why so many of them had been requested.  Then, once the investigation begins, the GOP can claim the IRS is only investigating right-wing groups and voila!  a bullshiat scandal is born!
 
2013-05-21 05:59:59 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: How many scandals did Issa have to cover to get elected?
/I'm betting it's a higher number


Just three or so incidents of stealing cars, a little bit of insurance fraud, and a possible assault by threatening a business rival with a handgun.  I mean, it's not like he did anything bad.
 
2013-05-21 06:11:05 PM
Notifying someone of an audit because of concerns they raised is not the same as admitting the IRS was targeting Tea Party groups.  It's just a promise of an investigation, not the conclusion of one.
 
2013-05-21 06:12:21 PM
I've seen people argue that the IRS delayed approving non-profit status for Tea Party organization and that it helped Obama win the election.   This amuses me to no end.
 
2013-05-21 06:19:44 PM
OMG JUST FARKING RUN THE COUNTRY AND QUIT BEING SUCH IMMATURE A-HOLES


/both sides
 
2013-05-21 06:19:54 PM
Whatever you think about the IRS inquiry, or Benghazi, or the AP subpoenas, I think we can all agree that Darrell Issa is a massive asshole and is probably an animated bag of pig shiat.
 
2013-05-21 06:21:43 PM

Cyberluddite: MaudlinMutantMollusk: How many scandals did Issa have to cover to get elected?
/I'm betting it's a higher number

Just three or so incidents of stealing cars, a little bit of insurance fraud, and a possible assault by threatening a business rival with a handgun.  I mean, it's not like he did anything bad.


Didn't he also almost run over some runway workers, or was that a different asshole?
 
2013-05-21 06:23:12 PM
Okay, so let me get this scandal right:

The IRS attacked a consulate in Libya and killed some AP phone records with an umbrella.

Is that what happened?
 
2013-05-21 06:25:52 PM
Well yeah. Issa and others raising hell about it is what got the IG looking into it in the first place, so what's your point? That Issa knew about it before the guy "running" the country? Not exactly a ringing endorsement of the prez, is it?
 
2013-05-21 06:26:25 PM

Ishkur: Okay, so let me get this scandal right:

The IRS attacked a consulate in Libya and killed some AP phone records with an umbrella.

Is that what happened?


And there's a red line somewhere.
 
2013-05-21 06:26:57 PM

eagles95: OMG JUST FARKING RUN THE COUNTRY AND QUIT BEING SUCH IMMATURE A-HOLES

/both sides


so you're saying both sides are bad?
 
2013-05-21 06:28:15 PM
Issa needs to live the rest of his days in a pain amplifier
 
2013-05-21 06:28:17 PM

BritneysSpeculum: markie_farkie: 0bama got to him, too!!!!!1eleventy

Judging by the way in which he has prosecuted the Benghazi investigation, that is in fact a plausibility.


You think Obama got Issa to make himself look like an idiot for prosecuting Benghazi?  What kind of horrible blackmail material must the President have??
 
2013-05-21 06:30:16 PM

Kumana Wanalaia: eagles95: OMG JUST FARKING RUN THE COUNTRY AND QUIT BEING SUCH IMMATURE A-HOLES

/both sides

so you're saying both sides are bad?


I'm saying while the Republicans are being MASSIVE jerkoffs right now, when Dem's get into these offices of power they tend to do stupid crap as well. In the battle of worst of 2 evils, Republicans are by far the most immature and douchebaggiest.
 
2013-05-21 06:30:57 PM

Ishkur: Okay, so let me get this scandal right:

The IRS attacked a consulate in Libya and killed some AP phone records with an umbrella.

Is that what happened?


No, no, no! Wake up, man.

FEMA began confiscating guns from Syrian rebel tornado victims in order to cover up Obama's illegal audit of the Fast and Furious investigators. Jeesh, no wonder the American public is so easily misled!
 
2013-05-21 06:31:14 PM
Say what you will, libtards...

Obama is still a democrat.
 
2013-05-21 06:32:47 PM
I love how three years ago, most people wouldn't even know who the hell Rep. Issa was, but now that he started digging into Fast & Furious, pissed off Holder and the DoJ, got subjected to the full smear machine to try and push him off, and responded by doubling down and digging into EVERYTHING, he's suddenly been trumpted up as the worst scum of the earth.
 
2013-05-21 06:34:58 PM

eagles95: Kumana Wanalaia: eagles95: OMG JUST FARKING RUN THE COUNTRY AND QUIT BEING SUCH IMMATURE A-HOLES

/both sides

so you're saying both sides are bad?

I'm saying while the Republicans are being MASSIVE jerkoffs right now, when Dem's get into these offices of power they tend to do stupid crap as well. In the battle of worst of 2 evils, Republicans are by far the most immature and douchebaggiest.


The Dems have never said they'd investigate Bush 24/7. They never said their top priority was to make Bush a 1-term President. No, both sides do NOT do this crap.
 
2013-05-21 06:35:38 PM

HeWhoHasNoName: got subjected to the full smear machine


lol

"reporting on things Issa does" is now "subjected to the full smear machine"
 
2013-05-21 06:35:47 PM

UrukHaiGuyz: Ishkur: Okay, so let me get this scandal right:

The IRS attacked a consulate in Libya and killed some AP phone records with an umbrella.

Is that what happened?

No, no, no! Wake up, man.

FEMA began confiscating guns from Syrian rebel tornado victims in order to cover up Obama's illegal audit of the Fast and Furious investigators. Jeesh, no wonder the American public is so easily misled!


You fool! You don't even see how ACORN is in charge of the whole thing, INCLUDING Agenda 21!
 
2013-05-21 06:36:37 PM
HeWhoHasNoName:

I love how three years ago, most people wouldn't even know who the hell Rep. Issa was, but now that he started digging into Fast & Furious, pissed off Holder and the DoJ, got subjected to the full smear machine to try and push him off, and responded by doubling down and digging into EVERYTHING, he's suddenly been trumpted up as the worst scum of the earth.

You know, if I spent three years of my life working to become the worst scum of the earth I might actually achieve my goal as well.
And not find a damn thing for all that digging.
 
2013-05-21 06:38:32 PM
This sounds exactly like the rest of the IRS "scandal"

So routinely boring.  Seriously kos, this stuff is just the same routine stuff.

Issa yelled at the IG about how the IRS was targeting his precious tea party groups and then the investigation has concluded.

Without seeing the numbers of 501c(4) applicants, and then the % with tea party keywords, and then the relative real world audit and withdrawal rates, I can't really raise any outrage.   No one has said anything about the REST of the audit process.  Are those teaparty keywords the only keywords, or are there a whole batch of them?  We really don't know ANYTHING because people are shrilly trying to drown out any rational conversation with paranoid screeching.

Prove to me either:
1. Clear malicious intent with those in charge of the IRS
2. Clear real-world impact on non-profit groups.
with solid data and I'll start listening
 
2013-05-21 06:39:51 PM

HeWhoHasNoName: I love how three years ago, most people wouldn't even know who the hell Rep. Issa was, but now that he started digging into Fast & Furious, pissed off Holder and the DoJ, got subjected to the full smear machine to try and push him off, and responded by doubling down and digging into EVERYTHING, he's suddenly been trumpted up as the worst scum of the earth.


So, he didnt do anything bad then? Well thank you for clearing that up.
 
2013-05-21 06:40:16 PM
So, dog supreme with a hint of peachbody?
 
2013-05-21 06:42:08 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/21/lois-lerner-irs-scandal_n_33 1 4693.html

Lerner should have no qualms about answering his questions and showing him up in this highly public arena.  She's passing up an opportunity to demonstrate moral superiority, superior intellect and greater understanding of the law.  She could make this "scandal" go away by appearing before Congress and telling the absolute truth.  The Obama Administration is the most mature Administration in American history, more transparent than any before it, and this is yet another opportunity to distance themselves from the failures of previous Presidents to manage their scandals.  They should seize this crisis and wring as much political gain from it as the GOP would if they were in this enviable position.
 
2013-05-21 06:42:12 PM

HeWhoHasNoName: I love how three years ago, most people wouldn't even know who the hell Rep. Issa was, but now that he started digging into Fast & Furious, pissed off Holder and the DoJ, got subjected to the full smear machine to try and push him off, and responded by doubling down and digging into EVERYTHING, he's suddenly been trumpted up as the worst scum of the earth.


I'd rebut, but I'm too busy sitting here reading "Rules for Radicals", looking at all the porn that Frank Marshall Davis created, laughing at how clearly Obama is not just a socialist but a FABIAN socialist and asking Michael Weiner to tweet me pictures of his kosher hog.  Once I get the talking points from Jay Genachowski, it's so on however.
 
2013-05-21 06:43:16 PM

Esc7: This sounds exactly like the rest of the IRS "scandal"

So routinely boring.  Seriously kos, this stuff is just the same routine stuff.

Issa yelled at the IG about how the IRS was targeting his precious tea party groups and then the investigation has concluded.

Without seeing the numbers of 501c(4) applicants, and then the % with tea party keywords, and then the relative real world audit and withdrawal rates, I can't really raise any outrage.   No one has said anything about the REST of the audit process.  Are those teaparty keywords the only keywords, or are there a whole batch of them?  We really don't know ANYTHING because people are shrilly trying to drown out any rational conversation with paranoid screeching.

Prove to me either:
1. Clear malicious intent with those in charge of the IRS
2. Clear real-world impact on non-profit groups.
with solid data and I'll start listening


Facts don't matter to the GOP.
 
2013-05-21 06:44:57 PM

HeWhoHasNoName: I love how three years ago, most people wouldn't even know who the hell Rep. Issa was, but now that he started digging into Fast & Furious, pissed off Holder and the DoJ, got subjected to the full smear machine to try and push him off, and responded by doubling down and digging into EVERYTHING, he's suddenly been trumpted up as the worst scum of the earth.


"Smear machine" sounds pretty ominous. I'm sure you have a laundry list of things he was "smeared" with that you can readily share, proceed.
 
2013-05-21 06:47:05 PM

HeWhoHasNoName: I love how three years ago, most people wouldn't even know who the hell Rep. Issa was, but now that he started digging into Fast & Furious, pissed off Holder and the DoJ, got subjected to the full smear machine to try and push him off, and responded by doubling down and digging into EVERYTHING, he's suddenly been trumpted up as the worst scum of the earth.


Cyberluddite: MaudlinMutantMollusk: How many scandals did Issa have to cover to get elected?
/I'm betting it's a higher number

Just three or so incidents of stealing cars, a little bit of insurance fraud, and a possible assault by threatening a business rival with a handgun.  I mean, it's not like he did anything bad.


I think Issa himself  boosts the whole Issa-is-scum notion, no outside help needed.
 
2013-05-21 06:47:18 PM
You have to be quite obtuse to not acknowledge that Darrell Issa comports as the douchiest of bags.
 
2013-05-21 06:48:52 PM

alienated: Issa needs to live the rest of his days in a pain amplifier


Marriage?
 
2013-05-21 06:51:06 PM
HeWhoHasNoName:

I love how three years ago, most people wouldn't even know who the hell Rep. Issa was, but now that he started digging into Fast & Furious, pissed off Holder and the DoJ, got subjected to the full smear machine to try and push him off, and responded by doubling down and digging into EVERYTHING, he's suddenly been trumpted up as the worst scum of the earth.

What I truly love about this post, this profession of how you want someone to dig and investigate completely divorced of partisanship...

You are about to profess your undying love for Rep. Henry Waxman, right? I'm cool with that... He was my favorite Time Bandit.
 
2013-05-21 06:51:07 PM
FTA: " informing them they would be auditing the IRS in response to their concerns that certain groups might be receiving extra scrutiny. The letter came in response to a June 28th letter of that year from Congressman Issa and requests for an investigation."

whoa, STOP THE PRESSES!

They asked for an investigation and they got a written reply that THEY WOULD DO AN INVESTIGATION?!?!!

holy cow, THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING!!!

Seriously lefties, is this really the best you can do??
 
2013-05-21 06:53:20 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: FTA: " informing them they would be auditing the IRS in response to their concerns that certain groups might be receiving extra scrutiny. The letter came in response to a June 28th letter of that year from Congressman Issa and requests for an investigation."

whoa, STOP THE PRESSES!

They asked for an investigation and they got a written reply that THEY WOULD DO AN INVESTIGATION?!?!!

holy cow, THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING!!!

Seriously lefties, is this really the best you can do??


Yeah, where was Issa's outrage when he was asking for an investigation?
 
2013-05-21 06:53:21 PM
All these "scandals" are going to blow up in the GOP's face. Obama will have an approval rating of 60% after the next failed debt ceiling fight and/or government shutdown courtesy of the GOP. Oh, the economy is improving much better than what the doom and gloom the GOP has been passing off. So there'e that too.

Keep it up GOP, your doing a great job.
 
2013-05-21 06:54:37 PM
tenpoundsofcheese:

"is this really the best you can do??

That might be a phrase you may want to avoid for a while... Just saying.
 
2013-05-21 06:56:21 PM

dameron: I've seen people argue that the IRS delayed approving non-profit status for Tea Party organization and that it helped Obama win the election.   This amuses me to no end.


It's really hard to make clear exactly what was on the line with these groups. Strictly speaking, they were all already able to operate as non-profits and had no requirement to disclose their donor information either. The 1024 is an entirely voluntary form, and you are legally allowed to form a 501c4 without IRS preapproval. The problem is the IRS really doesn't care to disclose this and tries their best to convince people that it is a requirement without actually saying it. In other words, because of this the groups were made to jump through hoops while being allowed to operate freely whether they realized it or not.

The IRS used absolutely unacceptable metrics in determining which groups deserved greater scrutiny and everyone involved deserves to be out on their ass for it, but the actual harm caused is really hard to calculate because on paper they didn't lose anything but in reality the groups certainly were given an undue beauracratic burden if it wasn't being applied to other applications at an equal rate.
 
2013-05-21 06:56:40 PM

FlashHarry: i still think it's a case of a number cruncher figuring out a way to deal with the massive influx of 501(c)(4) applications. it was wrong - but i don't think it was politically motivated.


We have a winner!!!
 
2013-05-21 06:57:54 PM

eagles95: OMG JUST FARKING RUN THE COUNTRY AND QUIT BEING SUCH IMMATURE A-HOLES


/both sides


That's what Obama is doing and when he does he is being attacked by both the GOP and press as trying to "cover up" the "scandals" and "change the subject".
 
2013-05-21 07:03:58 PM

maxheck: HeWhoHasNoName:

I love how three years ago, most people wouldn't even know who the hell Rep. Issa was, but now that he started digging into Fast & Furious, pissed off Holder and the DoJ, got subjected to the full smear machine to try and push him off, and responded by doubling down and digging into EVERYTHING, he's suddenly been trumpted up as the worst scum of the earth.

What I truly love about this post, this profession of how you want someone to dig and investigate completely divorced of partisanship...


We knew about Issa because as soon as Obama was elected he proclaimed he wanted to have endless investigations, 7 days a week, even though Obama hadn't even been inaugurated yet.

Here in California, we knew him as the guy responsible for getting Governor Gray Davis recalled, which led to the "election" of Schwarzenegger, which caused poor little Darrell to cry that he wasn't elected.

And you cannot honestly for a SECOND believe that Issa is divorced of partisanship.  He has marinated in it since he got into politics.
 
2013-05-21 07:04:00 PM

Grungehamster: dameron: I've seen people argue that the IRS delayed approving non-profit status for Tea Party organization and that it helped Obama win the election.   This amuses me to no end.

It's really hard to make clear exactly what was on the line with these groups. Strictly speaking, they were all already able to operate as non-profits and had no requirement to disclose their donor information either. The 1024 is an entirely voluntary form, and you are legally allowed to form a 501c4 without IRS preapproval. The problem is the IRS really doesn't care to disclose this and tries their best to convince people that it is a requirement without actually saying it. In other words, because of this the groups were made to jump through hoops while being allowed to operate freely whether they realized it or not.

The IRS used absolutely unacceptable metrics in determining which groups deserved greater scrutiny and everyone involved deserves to be out on their ass for it, but the actual harm caused is really hard to calculate because on paper they didn't lose anything but in reality the groups certainly were given an undue beauracratic burden if it wasn't being applied to other applications at an equal rate.


Can you please explain how you are able to form a tax-exempt 501c4 without notifying the IRS with a form 1024?  I'm genuinely curious.
 
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