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(ELLE)   Elizabeth Smart is awesome for many reasons. Most of all - telling Nancy Grace to STFU   (elle.com ) divider line
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2013-05-21 05:39:42 PM  
Nancy Grace can eat a bag of dicks. (Not that she needs my prodding)
 
2013-05-21 05:41:37 PM  

skankboy: Nancy Grace can eat a bag of dicks. (Not that she needs my prodding)


That's really uncalled for...think about how the bag of dicks would feel about it.
 
2013-05-21 05:41:53 PM  
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2013-05-21 05:42:05 PM  
So I clicked, all giddy at the excitement of seeing someone tell Nancy Grace off.

"I really, to be frankly honest, don't appreciate you bringing this all up."

That's it?
 
2013-05-21 05:43:01 PM  
What a pointless article.

Oh well time to pile shiat on Nancy Grace.
 
2013-05-21 05:45:05 PM  
Get rid of The Seaward
 
2013-05-21 05:45:09 PM  
What a scatterbrained uninformative article.
 
2013-05-21 05:46:00 PM  

lennavan: So I clicked, all giddy at the excitement of seeing someone tell Nancy Grace off.

"I really, to be frankly honest, don't appreciate you bringing this all up."

That's it?


I really wish you wouldn't re-post such strong language. Most unseemly.
 
2013-05-21 05:46:07 PM  

lennavan: So I clicked, all giddy at the excitement of seeing someone tell Nancy Grace off.

"I really, to be frankly honest, don't appreciate you bringing this all up."

That's it?


She should have followed hr comment with a throat punch.
 
2013-05-21 05:46:10 PM  
And she's a Mormon.

- 10
 
2013-05-21 05:46:12 PM  
Fun fact: "Nancy Grace" is actually an onomatopoeia. It's the exact sound a bag of rotting trash and feces makes when you throw it down a flight of stairs.
 
2013-05-21 05:46:12 PM  
skinbubble:

biatch ain't super nothing.
 
2013-05-21 05:47:29 PM  

lennavan: So I clicked, all giddy at the excitement of seeing someone tell Nancy Grace off.

"I really, to be frankly honest, don't appreciate you bringing this all up."

That's it?


Coming as it did from a teenage girl recently kidnapped and repeatedly raped, I thought it was devastating in its polite understatement.
 
2013-05-21 05:47:45 PM  

lennavan: So I clicked, all giddy at the excitement of seeing someone tell Nancy Grace off.

"I really, to be frankly honest, don't appreciate you bringing this all up."

That's it?


Not taking the troll bait and sticking to the high road is better than sinking to Nancy Grace's level and doing it in a mature, level headed way is bonus points.
 
2013-05-21 05:47:58 PM  

crab66: What a scatterbrained uninformative article.


It wasn't an article. It was an ad for an upcoming book.
 
2013-05-21 05:51:12 PM  
Well, that's exactly what a slut who deserved it would say, isn't it?
 
2013-05-21 05:51:44 PM  
tit

nasty
 
2013-05-21 05:52:39 PM  

crab66: What a scatterbrained uninformative article.


Yes it was.

I do admire Elizabeth Smart. She has handled herself well in the years since her kidnapping and has really tried to use her history to make a difference.
 
2013-05-21 05:54:03 PM  

bugontherug: lennavan: So I clicked, all giddy at the excitement of seeing someone tell Nancy Grace off.

"I really, to be frankly honest, don't appreciate you bringing this all up."

That's it?

Coming as it did from a teenage girl recently kidnapped and repeatedly raped, I thought it was devastating in its polite understatement.


She's also LDS. From a Mormon girl, "I don't appreciate you bringing this all up", in this context, is practically giving her the finger.
 
2013-05-21 05:54:17 PM  
Yet again, youth >> oldth.
 
2013-05-21 05:55:19 PM  
I wish Nancy Grace would just friggin OD on a bunch of pills.
I really hate her. I know her personality type. I loathe her and her ilk. I really really wish she would just get off the air.
But first, I would like to see Chris Brown and her start dating.
encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com
 
2013-05-21 05:55:32 PM  
Ignoring asking the question WHY people would ever appear on Nancy Grace's show, she seems like a soft target that could be played if studied just like Bill O'Reily was on fox news.  Nancy Grace's record as a prosecutor is pretty spotty.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVB1eQn2uwA

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nancy_Grace
 
2013-05-21 05:55:46 PM  
Not very smart if she's still into religion...
 
2013-05-21 05:55:49 PM  

skinbubble: lennavan: So I clicked, all giddy at the excitement of seeing someone tell Nancy Grace off.

"I really, to be frankly honest, don't appreciate you bringing this all up."

That's it?

Not taking the troll bait and sticking to the high road is better than sinking to Nancy Grace's level and doing it in a mature, level headed way is bonus points.


screw that, jam a #2 pencil into her throat
 
2013-05-21 05:57:04 PM  

Heathen: skinbubble: lennavan: So I clicked, all giddy at the excitement of seeing someone tell Nancy Grace off.

"I really, to be frankly honest, don't appreciate you bringing this all up."

That's it?

Not taking the troll bait and sticking to the high road is better than sinking to Nancy Grace's level and doing it in a mature, level headed way is bonus points.

screw that, jam a #2 pencil into her throat


No one should waste a perfectly good pencil on that biatch.
 
2013-05-21 05:57:21 PM  

lennavan: So I clicked, all giddy at the excitement of seeing someone tell Nancy Grace off.

"I really, to be frankly honest, don't appreciate you bringing this all up."

That's it?


This is actually a decent example of how ubiquitous the hyperbolic language of normal message board and blog chatter really is. Because someone wasn't directly compared to Hitler while being called Roseanne Barr's taint cheese, we literally don't recognize it as a tell off.
 
2013-05-21 05:58:37 PM  

jackiepaper: Get rid of The Seaward


She'll leave when she's good and ready!
 
2013-05-21 06:01:00 PM  
I can't stand the sight of Nancy Grace let alone her voice. I've often thought of molding my toilet to resemble Nancy's face, with her mouth agape. I figure if she is always gonna be spouting out shiat, it might as well be my shiat.
 
2013-05-21 06:01:02 PM  
In February 2012, she married a Scotsman, Matthew Gilmour, at a spur-of-the-moment private ceremony in a Mormon temple in Oahu.

No she didn't. Somebody doesn't know how Mormon temples work.

*One.does.not.simply.walk.into.the.temple.jpg*
 
2013-05-21 06:03:53 PM  

lennavan: So I clicked, all giddy at the excitement of seeing someone tell Nancy Grace off.

"I really, to be frankly honest, don't appreciate you bringing this all up."

That's it?


And from 7 years ago.
 
2013-05-21 06:05:24 PM  

Antagonism: What a pointless article.

Oh well time to pile shiat on Nancy Grace.


EXACTLY!
 
2013-05-21 06:05:56 PM  

BATMANATEE: crab66: What a scatterbrained uninformative article.

It wasn't an article. It was an ad for an upcoming book.


Agreed.  This was little more than a plug without the "plug" icon.
 
2013-05-21 06:08:42 PM  

bugontherug: lennavan: So I clicked, all giddy at the excitement of seeing someone tell Nancy Grace off.

"I really, to be frankly honest, don't appreciate you bringing this all up."

That's it?

Coming as it did from a teenage girl recently kidnapped and repeatedly raped, I thought it was devastating in its polite understatement.


Oh, definitely.
 
2013-05-21 06:08:59 PM  

arcas: BATMANATEE: crab66: What a scatterbrained uninformative article.

It wasn't an article. It was an ad for an upcoming book.

Agreed.  This was little more than a plug without the "plug" icon.


Maybe that's her message: Forget abstinence, use a plug.
 
2013-05-21 06:09:43 PM  

lennavan: That's it?


That's actually the beauty of it.  Nancy Grace feeds off of people getting confrontational.  She made her point and shut her up.
 
2013-05-21 06:10:43 PM  

Killer Cars: lennavan: So I clicked, all giddy at the excitement of seeing someone tell Nancy Grace off.

"I really, to be frankly honest, don't appreciate you bringing this all up."

That's it?

This is actually a decent example of how ubiquitous the hyperbolic language of normal message board and blog chatter really is. Because someone wasn't directly compared to Hitler while being called Roseanne Barr's taint cheese, we literally don't recognize it as a tell off.



Alternatively, it was a really farking weak tell off.  It's definitely one of the two.

I'm pretty sure most people in this thread would agree Nancy Grace needs a bit more than a courteous "I don't appreciate that."  I guess I was just hoping for more.  Something more recent woulda been good too.
 
2013-05-21 06:11:48 PM  
I'd like a threesome between the two.
 
2013-05-21 06:13:00 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: In February 2012, she married a Scotsman, Matthew Gilmour, at a spur-of-the-moment private ceremony in a Mormon temple in Oahu.

No she didn't. Somebody doesn't know how Mormon temples work.

*One.does.not.simply.walk.into.the.temple.jpg*


It could still be done within a week or so, or even a couple of days.  Compared to Vegas weddings, no, not so spur of the moment, but compared to engagements that are months or years long, it could be considered spur of the moment.

Maybe they already had their interviews and temple recommends, but then spur of the moment decided to get married in Hawaii instead of SLC.  That is still possible, and doesn't negate the statement.
 
2013-05-21 06:13:21 PM  
ok, everyone hates nancy grace, but i stopped reading after, "spoke openly and effectively against abstinence education. The practicing Mormon boldly cited..."

meh
 
2013-05-21 06:14:26 PM  
Somebody should plug both of NG's holes the say a eulogy for the plugs.
 
2013-05-21 06:15:27 PM  

bugontherug: lennavan: So I clicked, all giddy at the excitement of seeing someone tell Nancy Grace off.

"I really, to be frankly honest, don't appreciate you bringing this all up."

That's it?

Coming as it did from a teenage girl recently kidnapped and repeatedly raped, I thought it was devastating in its polite understatement.


Exactly.  It is the politeness of it that ironically gives it a bigger STFU factor.  "this is how you should behave"

My grandfather-in-law had a great story of this type.  He was visiting some old silver mine once and as they were riding some sort of trolly cart down, he had a lot of abdominal cramping and had to pass gas.  He was not the type to do this in his own home, much less in public, but apparently something he ate while on this trip disagreed with him.

So he passed gas quietly and apparently it stunk to high heaven.  A few seconds later, a man tapped him on the shoulder and asked, "you're feeling not well, aren't you sir?".  He said true.  Then the man said "but you're feeling much better now, aren't you sir?".

it was an old timey way of saying "did you fart?  don't do it again".  Love that story.
 
2013-05-21 06:17:54 PM  
If you want to spend your time on something worthwhile, here is a link to Elizabeth Smart's remarks at the Johns Hopkins human trafficking forum.  The video runs 12:50, and is surprisingly engaging.  This is the speech that gave rise to the throw-away line in TFA about her having spoken out against abstinence education.  Her remarks are actually more nuanced than that.
 
2013-05-21 06:18:38 PM  
TOTMOMTOTMOMTOTMOMTOTMOMTOTMOM

/really, I'm the first?
 
2013-05-21 06:19:15 PM  

Enemabag Jones: Ignoring asking the question WHY people would ever appear on Nancy Grace's show, she seems like a soft target that could be played if studied just like Bill O'Reily was on fox news.  Nancy Grace's record as a prosecutor is pretty spotty.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVB1eQn2uwA

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nancy_Grace


gotta admit though, it takes a special type of person to ride the bloodstained coattails of their fiance to fame and fortune.
 
2013-05-21 06:20:34 PM  

lennavan: So I clicked, all giddy at the excitement of seeing someone tell Nancy Grace off.

"I really, to be frankly honest, don't appreciate you bringing this all up."

That's it?


Hey, that's the Mormon equivalent of a LIsa Lampanelli standup routine.
 
2013-05-21 06:21:19 PM  

GungFu: And she's a Mormon.

- 10


I know, right?  She escaped after being abducted and raped for a year to be a member of a religion that shows 18-year-old boys more respect than grandmothers and has a history of endorsing polygamy?  Wtf?
 
2013-05-21 06:23:12 PM  

lennavan: So I clicked, all giddy at the excitement of seeing someone tell Nancy Grace off.

"I really, to be frankly honest, don't appreciate you bringing this all up."

That's it?


Bear in mind that Nancy Grace was trying to trigger some traumatized, emotional response.  If Smart lost her composure in any direction it would be ratings and high-fives for Nancy Grace.

Responding like a cross between Spock and Dear Abby was probably the best thing she could have done.  She didn't need to be crude, because there was enough of that on the show already; all she had to do is cast it in sharp relief by saying something polite and civilized.
 
2013-05-21 06:26:01 PM  
Elizabeth Smart is totally cute. I'd lock her up and have my way with her for a year and-

oh, wait, that's right. Never mind.
 
2013-05-21 06:26:53 PM  

Xcott: She didn't need to be crude, because there was enough of that on the show already; all she had to do is cast it in sharp relief by saying something polite and civilized.


This
 
2013-05-21 06:27:28 PM  
What she really meant: "Listen, I've been dealing with this for years, and I learned not to feed trolls on day one..."
 
2013-05-21 06:27:36 PM  
"2011 was the year of Elizabeth Smart..."

It's 2013 now.

rooftop235: Heathen: skinbubble: lennavan: So I clicked, all giddy at the excitement of seeing someone tell Nancy Grace off.

"I really, to be frankly honest, don't appreciate you bringing this all up."

That's it?

Not taking the troll bait and sticking to the high road is better than sinking to Nancy Grace's level and doing it in a mature, level headed way is bonus points.

screw that, jam a #2 pencil into her throat

No one should waste a perfectly good pencil on that biatch.


So use a broken pencil.
 
2013-05-21 06:30:07 PM  

Warthog: If you want to spend your time on something worthwhile, here is a link to Elizabeth Smart's remarks at the Johns Hopkins human trafficking forum.  The video runs 12:50, and is surprisingly engaging.  This is the speech that gave rise to the throw-away line in TFA about her having spoken out against abstinence education.  Her remarks are actually more nuanced than that.


Was going to post this link. She's actually speaking against a particular bullet point in most abstinence education curricula, the one that says not to have sex because you'll be worthless to society afterwards. Very interesting and horrifying speech for many reasons.
 
2013-05-21 06:31:36 PM  
 
2013-05-21 06:32:16 PM  

belhade: Elizabeth Smart is totally cute. I'd lock her up and have my way with her for a year and-

oh, wait, that's right. Never mind.


I believe this belongs to you:
www.legendcookshop.co.uk
 
2013-05-21 06:32:39 PM  

Donkey Hodie: Maybe they already had their interviews and temple recommends, but then spur of the moment decided to get married in Hawaii instead of SLC. That is still possible, and doesn't negate the statement.


BYU has a huge campus in Hawaii. Chances are this dude is a mormon studying at BYU, and they got married in Hawaii for that reason.
 
2013-05-21 06:38:39 PM  

Fallout Boy: http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=elizabeth_smart


It was easier to read then the tripe listed by subby.  Pictures help tell a story even if it doesn't include the bloated cow named Nancy Grace.
 
2013-05-21 06:41:05 PM  
ct.fra.bz
 
2013-05-21 06:43:48 PM  

catmandu: crab66: What a scatterbrained uninformative article.

Yes it was.

I do admire Elizabeth Smart. She has handled herself well in the years since her kidnapping and has really tried to use her history to make a difference.


I agree both on the low quality of the article and the praise for Elizabeth Smart. On a more superficial level, the article did give another reason to complement Elizabeth Smart - she has a pretty decent sense of style. I'm not sure if it's a blouse or dress she's wearing in that photo, but she wears it well and I hope that the tasteful use of polka dots becomes more popular in the future.
www.elle.com

For the sake of laughing at Nancy Grace, here's a clip of her getting pranked by her staff: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufQ2cCwyOtA (possibly NSFW)
 
2013-05-21 06:47:27 PM  

Anayalator: [ct.fra.bz image 500x299]


What if I told you...

It makes no difference to an atheist.
 
2013-05-21 06:47:50 PM  

Anayalator: [ct.fra.bz image 500x299]


I would tell you they are not.
 
2013-05-21 06:50:24 PM  

catmandu: I would tell you they are not.


You would be wrong, sir.

You would be wrong.
 
2013-05-21 06:50:57 PM  
FTFA:
The practicing Mormon boldly cited the belief that she was no longer "pure" after being raped by her captives as a reason for being afraid to run.

du fuk? seriously? That's strike one and two right there.
 
2013-05-21 06:51:30 PM  

HortusMatris: GungFu: And she's a Mormon.

- 10

I know, right?  She escaped after being abducted and raped for a year to be a member of a religion that shows 18-year-old boys more respect than grandmothers and has a history of endorsing polygamy?  Wtf?


While I can't comment on the respect issue, mainstream Mormons haven't endorsed polygamy in over 120 years.
 
2013-05-21 06:56:45 PM  

SevenizGud: du fuk? seriously? That's strike one and two right there.


Nobody ever used reason to become religious so you can't expect the religious to act reasonably when faced with a challenge. She was fourteen, it's not her fault her parents failed her.
 
2013-05-21 06:57:03 PM  
Although i applaud her efforts, trying to teach "abstinence only" is not going to convince rapists or kidnappers not to kidnap or rape. I'm sorry what she went through, and I'm glad she's for the victims, but a rapist is going to rape, they don't really care what you think or want to teach. If they did, they wouldn't rape you in the first place.
 
2013-05-21 06:57:56 PM  

Anayalator: [ct.fra.bz image 500x299]


I would tell you they are probably just as crazy.

/and I would probably tap Nancy before Lizzy just because I saw what did that.  Sorry.
//if I had to make the choice of course.
 
2013-05-21 06:58:24 PM  

flak attack: HortusMatris: GungFu: And she's a Mormon.

- 10

I know, right?  She escaped after being abducted and raped for a year to be a member of a religion that shows 18-year-old boys more respect than grandmothers and has a history of endorsing polygamy?  Wtf?

While I can't comment on the respect issue, mainstream Mormons haven't endorsed polygamy in over 120 years.


I'm not a Mormon, but this is an important point. She was kidnapped by basically the Westoboro Baptist church of Mormonism: nobody wants them, nobody endorses them, nobody likes them, and they don't represent 99% of Mormons.  Of course, that being said:

Anayalator: [What if I told you Mormons were Christians.jpg]


No. They are Mormons. They are not a Christian denomination like Baptists or Lutherans or even Catholics. That's why their religion has their own name.
 
2013-05-21 06:58:52 PM  

Anayalator: [ct.fra.bz image 500x299]


Mormons are Christians who took the "red pill".

www.4000saturdays.com
 
2013-05-21 07:01:18 PM  
wwwwwwwwwwwwoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooop!
 
2013-05-21 07:01:18 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: Although i applaud her efforts, trying to teach "abstinence only" is not going to convince rapists or kidnappers not to kidnap or rape. I'm sorry what she went through, and I'm glad she's for the victims, but a rapist is going to rape, they don't really care what you think or want to teach. If they did, they wouldn't rape you in the first place.


You said "rape" twice (well, more than that actually).
 
2013-05-21 07:03:48 PM  

flak attack: mainstream Mormons haven't endorsed polygamy in over 120 years.


...and yet there are still Mormons.  You can't explain that.
 
2013-05-21 07:04:28 PM  

lennavan: So I clicked, all giddy at the excitement of seeing someone tell Nancy Grace off.

"I really, to be frankly honest, don't appreciate you bringing this all up."

That's it?


/no shiat, Grace was trolling for juicy emotional answers, to painful questions she shouldn't have brought up in the first place.  For ratings. What a hag. She's like a female howard stern, but with less ethics and class.  Would have been better if she had come back with something like "I dunno, how did you feel when your dad farked you in the ass? " or " I thought i had met the worst vile disgusting puke ridden lowest common denominator in my kidnappers.  But, at least when they were farking me, you knew they were going to.  You, on the other hand, are supposed to be a professional journalist, but i see, that you are just trying to fark me for ratings in the very thin guise of being empathetic.  At least with my kidnappers, they were honest about what they are.  You are just raping me again for bigger numbers in the neilsons. Go fark yourself you ugly flapped out hag.
 
2013-05-21 07:06:15 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: Although i applaud her efforts, trying to teach "abstinence only" is not going to convince rapists or kidnappers not to kidnap or rape. I'm sorry what she went through, and I'm glad she's for the victims, but a rapist is going to rape, they don't really care what you think or want to teach. If they did, they wouldn't rape you in the first place.


FTFA: "spoke openly and effectively against abstinence education."
 
2013-05-21 07:07:08 PM  

skozlaw: catmandu: I would tell you they are not.

You would be wrong, sir.

You would be wrong.


Really?

A Christian is someone who believes Jesus Christ died on the cross to save them from their sins and give them eternal life.
John 3:16 says: "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life." (Love how fundies say gays cannot be Christian. what do they do with that "everyone"? But I digress)

Mormons deny the sufficiency of Christ's death for salvation. They also deny the Trinity and that there is one immortal God. The goal of Mormonism is that we all become as 'gods' becoming both immortal and divine, blurring the creator/creature distinction. They believe God the Father was once a man, just like you or me. For Mormons, Jesus isn't the only son of God, and he's not eternally begotten of the Father
 
2013-05-21 07:07:22 PM  
I love the people advocating assault, overdose, and domestic violence on Nancy Grace, as if that's a way to show they're anything but people as horrible and useless as she is.
 
2013-05-21 07:07:26 PM  

flak attack: HortusMatris: GungFu: And she's a Mormon.

- 10

I know, right?  She escaped after being abducted and raped for a year to be a member of a religion that shows 18-year-old boys more respect than grandmothers and has a history of endorsing polygamy?  Wtf?

While I can't comment on the respect issue, mainstream Mormons haven't endorsed polygamy in over 120 years.


Yes.  Apparently God decided to change his mind about what he said through Brigham Young about polygamy and the whole "black people are cursed" thing.  I can see that everyone was really torn up about it, too, by the way their glorious university is still named after him.
 
2013-05-21 07:08:43 PM  

HortusMatris: GungFu: And she's a Mormon.

- 10

I know, right?  She escaped after being abducted and raped for a year to be a member of a religion that shows 18-year-old boys more respect than grandmothers and has a history of endorsing polygamy?  Wtf?


Uh, these are contradictory. Part of the "endorsing polygamy" was kicking the 18-year-old boys the fark out because they were competition for the women. I suppose that could be seen as a positive thing though since it is saving those boys from a religion.
 
2013-05-21 07:09:19 PM  

Fish_Bulb: flak attack: HortusMatris: GungFu: And she's a Mormon.

- 10

I know, right?  She escaped after being abducted and raped for a year to be a member of a religion that shows 18-year-old boys more respect than grandmothers and has a history of endorsing polygamy?  Wtf?

While I can't comment on the respect issue, mainstream Mormons haven't endorsed polygamy in over 120 years.

I'm not a Mormon, but this is an important point. She was kidnapped by basically the Westoboro Baptist church of Mormonism: nobody wants them, nobody endorses them, nobody likes them, and they don't represent 99% of Mormons.  Of course, that being said:

Anayalator: [What if I told you Mormons were Christians.jpg]

No. They are Mormons. They are not a Christian denomination like Baptists or Lutherans or even Catholics. That's why their religion has their own name.


You mean the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints?  I hope what you mean is that they are not a Protestant offshoot of the Catholic church like the others you mentioned.  They are definitely Christian.
 
2013-05-21 07:12:30 PM  
Since being rescued, Elizabeth Smart has shown herself to be a class act on almost all levels.  But because she's a Mormon, Farklibs are gonna sneer at her.
 
2013-05-21 07:13:28 PM  

schizo-fun-ic: Bit'O'Gristle: Although i applaud her efforts, trying to teach "abstinence only" is not going to convince rapists or kidnappers not to kidnap or rape. I'm sorry what she went through, and I'm glad she's for the victims, but a rapist is going to rape, they don't really care what you think or want to teach. If they did, they wouldn't rape you in the first place.

FTFA: "spoke openly and effectively against abstinence education."


/ah....ty ..missed that. My bad.
 
2013-05-21 07:13:40 PM  

Whatthefark: lennavan: So I clicked, all giddy at the excitement of seeing someone tell Nancy Grace off.

"I really, to be frankly honest, don't appreciate you bringing this all up."

That's it?

She should have followed hr comment with a throat punch.


I came to say THIS
 
2013-05-21 07:13:44 PM  
Here is a transcript of the Nancy Grace interview with Elizabeth Smart:

"HEY, LIZ, TELL US HOW IT FELT TO BE BRUTALIZED FOR A YEAR!"

"Uh, no, Nancy, I'd rather not."

"CAN YOU AT LEAST TELL US THE DETAILS OF YOUR RAPE? A REAL BLOW BY BLOW THAT EVERYONE WANTS TO HEAR!"

"Uhm, I don't think they do Nancy."

"WELL, GIVE ME SOMETHING, DAMMIT! MY RATINGS ARE PLUMMETING OVER HERE!"

"...If ratings are what you want, I can give 'em to you by storming off your show."

"..."

"..."

"..."

"CAN I SAVAGE YOU AS AN UNGRATEFUL BIATCH WHEN YOU LEAVE?"

"...It's your show, Nancy."

"...DEAL!"
 
2013-05-21 07:13:50 PM  

craigzy: ok, everyone hates nancy grace, but i stopped reading after, "spoke openly and effectively against abstinence education. The practicing Mormon boldly cited..."

meh


On the one hand

HortusMatris: GungFu: And she's a Mormon.

- 10

I know, right?  She escaped after being abducted and raped for a year to be a member of a religion that shows 18-year-old boys more respect than grandmothers and has a history of endorsing polygamy?  Wtf?


To me it sounds like she wants to change the message that women are worthless after they are de-virginized and probably change a lot of other things about it. I think maybe Mormons and Christians in general are going to be more likely to listen to a message from someone in their community than from someone who says "You guys are stupid and your religion is stupid and I'm an athiest now." She wants to be a Mormon and she wants to make their religion better- I don't have a problem with that.
 
2013-05-21 07:15:14 PM  

lennavan: Killer Cars: lennavan: So I clicked, all giddy at the excitement of seeing someone tell Nancy Grace off.

"I really, to be frankly honest, don't appreciate you bringing this all up."

That's it?

This is actually a decent example of how ubiquitous the hyperbolic language of normal message board and blog chatter really is. Because someone wasn't directly compared to Hitler while being called Roseanne Barr's taint cheese, we literally don't recognize it as a tell off.

Alternatively, it was a really farking weak tell off.  It's definitely one of the two.

I'm pretty sure most people in this thread would agree Nancy Grace needs a bit more than a courteous "I don't appreciate that."  I guess I was just hoping for more.  Something more recent woulda been good too.


Meh, it's arguable.

I'm on mobile, so perhaps, if the article links to a video, someone can tell me what Ms. Smart's tone was. If her tone of voice was one like "Bring it up again, and I shall make it my life mission to end you", then that can be pretty damn effective.
 
2013-05-21 07:17:16 PM  

HortusMatris: flak attack: HortusMatris: GungFu: And she's a Mormon.

- 10

I know, right?  She escaped after being abducted and raped for a year to be a member of a religion that shows 18-year-old boys more respect than grandmothers and has a history of endorsing polygamy?  Wtf?

While I can't comment on the respect issue, mainstream Mormons haven't endorsed polygamy in over 120 years.

Yes.  Apparently God decided to change his mind about what he said through Brigham Young about polygamy and the whole "black people are cursed" thing.  I can see that everyone was really torn up about it, too, by the way their glorious university is still named after him.


No more than the existence of George Washington University means the US still endorses slavery.
 
2013-05-21 07:20:30 PM  

umad: Uh, these are contradictory. Part of the "endorsing polygamy" was kicking the 18-year-old boys the fark out because they were competition for the women. I suppose that could be seen as a positive thing though since it is saving those boys from a religion.


Hmm, interesting point.  In that case, though, women are being treated as a commodity, a resource to be managed, rather than autonomous human beings.  I think determining whether or not that is a better status than being one who is given a fancy title and run out of town so as not to represent competition over said resource might just be a personal judgement call.
 
2013-05-21 07:21:46 PM  

bugontherug: lennavan: So I clicked, all giddy at the excitement of seeing someone tell Nancy Grace off.

"I really, to be frankly honest, don't appreciate you bringing this all up."

That's it?

Coming as it did from a teenage girl recently kidnapped and repeatedly raped, I thought it was devastating in its polite understatement.


If there is one thing that Nancy Grace's target audience can appreciate, it's subtlety and nuance.
 
2013-05-21 07:23:34 PM  

flak attack: HortusMatris: flak attack: HortusMatris: GungFu: And she's a Mormon.

- 10

I know, right?  She escaped after being abducted and raped for a year to be a member of a religion that shows 18-year-old boys more respect than grandmothers and has a history of endorsing polygamy?  Wtf?

While I can't comment on the respect issue, mainstream Mormons haven't endorsed polygamy in over 120 years.

Yes.  Apparently God decided to change his mind about what he said through Brigham Young about polygamy and the whole "black people are cursed" thing.  I can see that everyone was really torn up about it, too, by the way their glorious university is still named after him.

No more than the existence of George Washington University means the US still endorses slavery.



I'm not sure that GW was really claiming to speak as a direct conduit to God, however.  Politicians are expected to be pragmatic ("Politics is the art of the possible." -- Otto von Bismarck), and in 1789 abolition would have been incompatible with uniting all the colonies.  A religious leader, by contrast, is supposed to define ideals to aspire to (e.g., "If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also." -- Jesus).
 
2013-05-21 07:23:44 PM  
Hero for this? Really?
 
2013-05-21 07:25:59 PM  

flak attack: HortusMatris: flak attack: HortusMatris: GungFu: And she's a Mormon.

- 10

I know, right?  She escaped after being abducted and raped for a year to be a member of a religion that shows 18-year-old boys more respect than grandmothers and has a history of endorsing polygamy?  Wtf?

While I can't comment on the respect issue, mainstream Mormons haven't endorsed polygamy in over 120 years.

Yes.  Apparently God decided to change his mind about what he said through Brigham Young about polygamy and the whole "black people are cursed" thing.  I can see that everyone was really torn up about it, too, by the way their glorious university is still named after him.

No more than the existence of George Washington University means the US still endorses slavery.


Ah, but we don't believe George Washington was a Prophet of the Lord.  Politicians are only fallible human beings, and their words are taken with grains of salt rather than as divine decrees.
 
2013-05-21 07:28:34 PM  
Nancy Grace is a pig.
 
2013-05-21 07:29:16 PM  
Mormons: nice people that are, for the most part, entirely blind to the absurdity of their religion. Joseph Smith was pedophillic con man that invented a history that has been proved to be false. If you want a good history of Smith, try "No Man Knows My History."
 
2013-05-21 07:30:01 PM  

catmandu: skozlaw: catmandu: I would tell you they are not.

You would be wrong, sir.

You would be wrong.

Really?

A Christian is someone who believes Jesus Christ died on the cross to save them from their sins and give them eternal life.
John 3:16 says: "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life." (Love how fundies say gays cannot be Christian. what do they do with that "everyone"? But I digress)

Mormons deny the sufficiency of Christ's death for salvation. They also deny the Trinity and that there is one immortal God. The goal of Mormonism is that we all become as 'gods' becoming both immortal and divine, blurring the creator/creature distinction. They believe God the Father was once a man, just like you or me. For Mormons, Jesus isn't the only son of God, and he's not eternally begotten of the Father


Please go on.
Tell me about those Jews and Muslims and Budhists and Hindus.
 
2013-05-21 07:32:14 PM  
www.popfi.com

"I'll take Mythology for $1000, Alex."

www.tv-live.org.uki2.cdn.turner.com25.media.tumblr.com

"What is a harpy?"

guycodeblog.mtv.com

"Correct. We would have also accepted gorgon." [shudder]
 
2013-05-21 07:32:37 PM  

hasty ambush: Hero for this? Really?


Less hero and more a promo about a book.  What yah think?
 
2013-05-21 07:36:09 PM  

Milo Minderbinder: Mormons: nice people that are, for the most part, entirely blind to the absurdity of their religion. Joseph Smith was pedophillic con man that invented a history that has been proved to be false. If you want a good history of Smith, try "No Man Knows My History."


That book is a load of fallacious crap. If you want a good history, Try Rough Stone Rolling. Much better account. And by better, I mean it wasn't written by someone intent on a smear campaign and was written as actual historical work.
 
2013-05-21 07:36:32 PM  

Four Horsemen of the Domestic Dispute:

Please go on.
Tell me about those Jews and Muslims and Budhists and Hindus.


What about them? The question was why Mormons aren't really Christians.

// irreligious myself so I have no horse in this race.
 
2013-05-21 07:38:00 PM  

Fish_Bulb: flak attack: HortusMatris: GungFu: And she's a Mormon.

- 10

I know, right?  She escaped after being abducted and raped for a year to be a member of a religion that shows 18-year-old boys more respect than grandmothers and has a history of endorsing polygamy?  Wtf?

While I can't comment on the respect issue, mainstream Mormons haven't endorsed polygamy in over 120 years.

I'm not a Mormon, but this is an important point. She was kidnapped by basically the Westoboro Baptist church of Mormonism: nobody wants them, nobody endorses them, nobody likes them, and they don't represent 99% of Mormons.  Of course, that being said:

Anayalator: [What if I told you Mormons were Christians.jpg]

No. They are Mormons. They are not a Christian denomination like Baptists or Lutherans or even Catholics. That's why their religion has their own name.


That phrase right there makes me question your objectivity on this subject.
 
2013-05-21 07:41:16 PM  

HortusMatris: flak attack: HortusMatris: flak attack: HortusMatris: GungFu: And she's a Mormon.

- 10

I know, right?  She escaped after being abducted and raped for a year to be a member of a religion that shows 18-year-old boys more respect than grandmothers and has a history of endorsing polygamy?  Wtf?

While I can't comment on the respect issue, mainstream Mormons haven't endorsed polygamy in over 120 years.

Yes.  Apparently God decided to change his mind about what he said through Brigham Young about polygamy and the whole "black people are cursed" thing.  I can see that everyone was really torn up about it, too, by the way their glorious university is still named after him.

No more than the existence of George Washington University means the US still endorses slavery.

Ah, but we don't believe George Washington was a Prophet of the Lord.  Politicians are only fallible human beings, and their words are taken with grains of salt rather than as divine decrees.


Actually, there are loads of Catholic doctrine, as well as Mormon doctrine (The only two religions I know well enough and that have a centralized figure) that suggest that a prophet or pope is indeed fallible, except when acting in certain offices or under certain circumstances. The biggest example being Moses.
 
2013-05-21 07:41:25 PM  

darkjezter: Since being rescued, Elizabeth Smart has shown herself to be a class act on almost all levels.  But because she's a Mormon, Farklibs are gonna sneer at her.


I'm on the more liberal end of things politically & socially, but I would never sneer at someone for being a member of the LDS; I've never had a problem with them, personally, and the few I've known are good people.
 
2013-05-21 07:42:12 PM  

catmandu: Really?

A Christian is someone who believes Jesus Christ died on the cross to save them from their sins and give them eternal life.
John 3:16 says: "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life." (Love how fundies say gays cannot be Christian. what do they do with that "everyone"? But I digress)

Mormons deny the sufficiency of Christ's death for salvation. They also deny the Trinity and that there is one immortal God. The goal of Mormonism is that we all become as 'gods' becoming both immortal and divine, blurring the creator/creature distinction. They believe God the Father was once a man, just like you or me. For Mormons, Jesus isn't the only son of God, and he's not eternally begotten of the Father

NO TRUE SCOTSMAN!

You would be wrong, sir.

You would be wrong.
 
2013-05-21 07:44:35 PM  

Clutch2013: Meh, it's arguable.

I'm on mobile, so perhaps, if the article links to a video, someone can tell me what Ms. Smart's tone was. If her tone of voice was one like "Bring it up again, and I shall make it my life mission to end you", then that can be pretty damn effective.


Worse than that. It was more: "You, Nancy Grace, are not relevant or important."

Quite the killing blow, to that kind.
 
2013-05-21 07:44:38 PM  
She was within 10 minutes of walking distance at times during her 9 month ordeal.  Anyone who isn't smart enough to just walk home deserves to be kidnapped.
 
2013-05-21 07:49:00 PM  

lennavan: Killer Cars: lennavan: So I clicked, all giddy at the excitement of seeing someone tell Nancy Grace off.

"I really, to be frankly honest, don't appreciate you bringing this all up."

That's it?

This is actually a decent example of how ubiquitous the hyperbolic language of normal message board and blog chatter really is. Because someone wasn't directly compared to Hitler while being called Roseanne Barr's taint cheese, we literally don't recognize it as a tell off.

Alternatively, it was a really farking weak tell off.  It's definitely one of the two.

I'm pretty sure most people in this thread would agree Nancy Grace needs a bit more than a courteous "I don't appreciate that."  I guess I was just hoping for more.  Something more recent woulda been good too.


I would like to know how Grace responded to that. Gracelessly, I suspect.
 
2013-05-21 07:49:38 PM  
I'd give her a demerit for appearing on Nancy Grace's show to begin with, but sure, credit where credit is due.

If Nancy Grace were launched into the sun, I'd say nothing of value was lost. Except for the rocket that sent her there.
 
2013-05-21 07:49:50 PM  

skozlaw: catmandu: Really?

A Christian is someone who believes Jesus Christ died on the cross to save them from their sins and give them eternal life.
John 3:16 says: "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life." (Love how fundies say gays cannot be Christian. what do they do with that "everyone"? But I digress)

Mormons deny the sufficiency of Christ's death for salvation. They also deny the Trinity and that there is one immortal God. The goal of Mormonism is that we all become as 'gods' becoming both immortal and divine, blurring the creator/creature distinction. They believe God the Father was once a man, just like you or me. For Mormons, Jesus isn't the only son of God, and he's not eternally begotten of the FatherNO TRUE SCOTSMAN!

You would be wrong, sir.

You would be wrong.


Educamate me then. What is a Christian and how are Mormons a Christian denomination (and their name being Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is Not sufficient).
 
2013-05-21 07:52:24 PM  

Antagonism: What a pointless article.

Oh well time to pile shiat on Nancy Grace.


She deserves it as do anyone involved with her crap that goes on air, or who even watches it for that matter
 
2013-05-21 07:55:39 PM  
In my house, we nickname people.

Nancy Grace is pronounced Nasty Grease.
 
2013-05-21 07:57:25 PM  

Anayalator: [ct.fra.bz image 500x299]


Matthew 24:11
 
2013-05-21 07:58:29 PM  
Really? This is news now?

Welcome to 2006!
 
2013-05-21 07:59:02 PM  

catmandu: skozlaw: catmandu: Really?

A Christian is someone who believes Jesus Christ died on the cross to save them from their sins and give them eternal life.
John 3:16 says: "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life." (Love how fundies say gays cannot be Christian. what do they do with that "everyone"? But I digress)

Mormons deny the sufficiency of Christ's death for salvation. They also deny the Trinity and that there is one immortal God. The goal of Mormonism is that we all become as 'gods' becoming both immortal and divine, blurring the creator/creature distinction. They believe God the Father was once a man, just like you or me. For Mormons, Jesus isn't the only son of God, and he's not eternally begotten of the FatherNO TRUE SCOTSMAN!

You would be wrong, sir.

You would be wrong.

Educamate me then. What is a Christian and how are Mormons a Christian denomination (and their name being Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is Not sufficient).


The term Christian is a self-identification tool. Arguing that the Nicean creed, or some kind of Protestant or Calvinistic ethic to the already retardedly murky concept of redemption and/or salvation is sufficient to the definition of Christian is like posting a sign outside the clubhouse door that says : "No girls allowed." It says a lot more about the people making the argument than the people being excluded from the club.

The Mormon concept of the trinity is a hell of a lot better than the Essence arguments that Protestant and Catholic theologies argue around in order to not make themselves look like Pagans by having multiple godlike entities.

Honestly, it pisses me off that this is still even an issue in what should be a pluralistic conversation, and one of the reasons why I suspect that the LDS church ever got involved in California. They wanted to be one of the 'Christian' churches.
 
2013-05-21 07:59:11 PM  
i140.photobucket.com
 
2013-05-21 08:01:28 PM  
The practicing Mormon boldly cited the belief that she was no longer "pure" after being raped by her captives as a reason for being afraid to run.

Am I reading that wrong or is it just written incorrectly?
 
2013-05-21 08:02:09 PM  

BATMANATEE: crab66: What a scatterbrained uninformative article.

It wasn't an article. It was an ad for an upcoming book.


Sort of this.

I watch Fox News. I notice there are many, many "guests" to provide input on a subject that have just published a book on the associated topic.

/You can winky-rink on my face
//Just don't tell me it's raining
///Slashies
 
2013-05-21 08:05:07 PM  

bugontherug: lennavan: So I clicked, all giddy at the excitement of seeing someone tell Nancy Grace off.

"I really, to be frankly honest, don't appreciate you bringing this all up."

That's it?

Coming as it did from a teenage girl recently kidnapped and repeatedly raped, I thought it was devastating in its polite understatement.


This.
 
2013-05-21 08:05:08 PM  

HortusMatris: flak attack: HortusMatris: GungFu: And she's a Mormon.

- 10

I know, right?  She escaped after being abducted and raped for a year to be a member of a religion that shows 18-year-old boys more respect than grandmothers and has a history of endorsing polygamy?  Wtf?

While I can't comment on the respect issue, mainstream Mormons haven't endorsed polygamy in over 120 years.

Yes.  Apparently God decided to change his mind about what he said through Brigham Young about polygamy and the whole "black people are cursed" thing.  I can see that everyone was really torn up about it, too, by the way their glorious university is still named after him.


it was Joseph Smith who actually was the one who founded the LDS church.  Brigham Young was a later leader and founder of Salt Lake City.
 
2013-05-21 08:09:01 PM  

Kinek: Milo Minderbinder: Mormons: nice people that are, for the most part, entirely blind to the absurdity of their religion. Joseph Smith was pedophillic con man that invented a history that has been proved to be false. If you want a good history of Smith, try "No Man Knows My History."

That book is a load of fallacious crap. If you want a good history, Try Rough Stone Rolling. Much better account. And by better, I mean it wasn't written by someone intent on a smear campaign and was written as actual historical work.


Rough Stone Rolling is the literary equivalent of blowjob for Joseph Smith.  I get the feeling that any book that is even slightly critical of that huckster would get called "fallacious" by you.
 
2013-05-21 08:12:16 PM  

Milo Minderbinder: Kinek: Milo Minderbinder: Mormons: nice people that are, for the most part, entirely blind to the absurdity of their religion. Joseph Smith was pedophillic con man that invented a history that has been proved to be false. If you want a good history of Smith, try "No Man Knows My History."

That book is a load of fallacious crap. If you want a good history, Try Rough Stone Rolling. Much better account. And by better, I mean it wasn't written by someone intent on a smear campaign and was written as actual historical work.

Rough Stone Rolling is the literary equivalent of blowjob for Joseph Smith.  I get the feeling that any book that is even slightly critical of that huckster would get called "fallacious" by you.


And anything that suggests that he's less than a demon is too soft? Rough stone is not, by any means, a blowjob. It covers everything /THAT CAN BE CITED/. You don't get to make stuff up and say, "Well, this ex-mormon 40 years after the fact told somebody that wrote it down in their diary after a night in the pub, therefore history." Seriously. Brodie's references are sketchy as fark. The trial in Palmyra for starters.
 
2013-05-21 08:14:00 PM  

Kinek: Actually, there are loads of Catholic doctrine, as well as Mormon doctrine (The only two religions I know well enough and that have a centralized figure) that suggest that a prophet or pope is indeed fallible, except when acting in certain offices or under certain circumstances. The biggest example being Moses.


Ugh, I feel like a total retard arguing about religion on the internet.  I know, I got myself into this mess.  How about this:  you win, and I'm going to get some actual work done.  Congratulations!
 
2013-05-21 08:14:07 PM  

Milo Minderbinder: Kinek: Milo Minderbinder: Mormons: nice people that are, for the most part, entirely blind to the absurdity of their religion. Joseph Smith was pedophillic con man that invented a history that has been proved to be false. If you want a good history of Smith, try "No Man Knows My History."

That book is a load of fallacious crap. If you want a good history, Try Rough Stone Rolling. Much better account. And by better, I mean it wasn't written by someone intent on a smear campaign and was written as actual historical work.

Rough Stone Rolling is the literary equivalent of blowjob for Joseph Smith.  I get the feeling that any book that is even slightly critical of that huckster would get called "fallacious" by you.


RSR covers polygamy, the underage wives, the hat-stones, the lack of habeas corpus in Nauvoo. In what ways is it a blowjob?
 
2013-05-21 08:14:38 PM  

Kinek: catmandu: skozlaw: catmandu: Really?

A Christian is someone who believes Jesus Christ died on the cross to save them from their sins and give them eternal life.
John 3:16 says: "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life." (Love how fundies say gays cannot be Christian. what do they do with that "everyone"? But I digress)

Mormons deny the sufficiency of Christ's death for salvation. They also deny the Trinity and that there is one immortal God. The goal of Mormonism is that we all become as 'gods' becoming both immortal and divine, blurring the creator/creature distinction. They believe God the Father was once a man, just like you or me. For Mormons, Jesus isn't the only son of God, and he's not eternally begotten of the FatherNO TRUE SCOTSMAN!

You would be wrong, sir.

You would be wrong.

Educamate me then. What is a Christian and how are Mormons a Christian denomination (and their name being Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is Not sufficient).

The term Christian is a self-identification tool. Arguing that the Nicean creed, or some kind of Protestant or Calvinistic ethic to the already retardedly murky concept of redemption and/or salvation is sufficient to the definition of Christian is like posting a sign outside the clubhouse door that says : "No girls allowed." It says a lot more about the people making the argument than the people being excluded from the club.

The Mormon concept of the trinity is a hell of a lot better than the Essence arguments that Protestant and Catholic theologies argue around in order to not make themselves look like Pagans by having multiple godlike entities.

Honestly, it pisses me off that this is still even an issue in what should be a pluralistic conversation, and one of the reasons why I suspect that the LDS church ever got involved in California. They wanted to be one of the 'Christian' churches.


I self-identify as charming, handsome and possessing a 17-inch prehensile penis.
 
2013-05-21 08:17:24 PM  

HortusMatris: Kinek: Actually, there are loads of Catholic doctrine, as well as Mormon doctrine (The only two religions I know well enough and that have a centralized figure) that suggest that a prophet or pope is indeed fallible, except when acting in certain offices or under certain circumstances. The biggest example being Moses.

Ugh, I feel like a total retard arguing about religion on the internet.  I know, I got myself into this mess.  How about this:  you win, and I'm going to get some actual work done.  Congratulations!


How about we call it a tie? It's only a win if everybody learns something!

Papal infallibility is a dogma of the Catholic Church which states that, in virtue of the promise of Jesus to Peter, the Pope is preserved from the possibility of error[1] "when, in the exercise of his office as shepherd and teacher of all Christians, in virtue of his supreme apostolic authority, he defines a doctrine concerning faith or morals to be held by the whole Church".[2]

How much is bullshiat, is left up to the viewer, and not something that can be argued. But the concept is there, and as far as I know, Prophetic fallibility is also a concept to the LDS church.
 
2013-05-21 08:20:15 PM  

werem00se: [i140.photobucket.com image 378x500]


Heh. I actually got thrown out of there, many years ago. Think their sign had something like, "Burgers By the Bagful!" So, me and my drunk buddy decided to buy a bag of burgers. Apparently you can't do that. You can't just tell them, "I don't care how many. Just fill up a bag."

But, what you really can't do is, when they decline your order, is to loudly protest (in an area surrounded by families with small children), "Look, lady, I'm just trying to get a bag of Dicks! Why won't you give me a bag of dicks?!"

/funnier back then, since it wasn't a phrase yet
 
2013-05-21 08:20:52 PM  

Milo Minderbinder: Kinek: catmandu: skozlaw: catmandu: Really?

A Christian is someone who believes Jesus Christ died on the cross to save them from their sins and give them eternal life.
John 3:16 says: "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life." (Love how fundies say gays cannot be Christian. what do they do with that "everyone"? But I digress)

Mormons deny the sufficiency of Christ's death for salvation. They also deny the Trinity and that there is one immortal God. The goal of Mormonism is that we all become as 'gods' becoming both immortal and divine, blurring the creator/creature distinction. They believe God the Father was once a man, just like you or me. For Mormons, Jesus isn't the only son of God, and he's not eternally begotten of the FatherNO TRUE SCOTSMAN!

You would be wrong, sir.

You would be wrong.

Educamate me then. What is a Christian and how are Mormons a Christian denomination (and their name being Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is Not sufficient).

The term Christian is a self-identification tool. Arguing that the Nicean creed, or some kind of Protestant or Calvinistic ethic to the already retardedly murky concept of redemption and/or salvation is sufficient to the definition of Christian is like posting a sign outside the clubhouse door that says : "No girls allowed." It says a lot more about the people making the argument than the people being excluded from the club.

The Mormon concept of the trinity is a hell of a lot better than the Essence arguments that Protestant and Catholic theologies argue around in order to not make themselves look like Pagans by having multiple godlike entities.

Honestly, it pisses me off that this is still even an issue in what should be a pluralistic conversation, and one of the reasons why I suspect that the LDS church ever got involved in California. They wanted to be one of the 'Christian' churches.

I self-identify as charmin ...


The fun part about that is that two of those three could be correct. Who am I to say that you aren't funny or charming? Am I the authority on such subjects? Of course not. However, I am jealous of your obviously grotesque penis. Sure you're not a barnacle?

/Fun fact of the day. Barnacles have giant penises.
 
2013-05-21 08:21:10 PM  
Kinek:
The term Christian is a self-identification tool. Arguing that the Nicean creed, or some kind of Protestant or Calvinistic ethic to the already retardedly murky concept of redemption and/or salvation is sufficient to the definition of Christian is like posting a sign outside the clubhouse door that says : "No girls allowed." It says a lot more about the people making the argument than the people being excluded from the club.

Is Warren Jeffs a mormon if he claims he is one?
 
2013-05-21 08:23:06 PM  

Kinek: Milo Minderbinder: Kinek: Milo Minderbinder: Mormons: nice people that are, for the most part, entirely blind to the absurdity of their religion. Joseph Smith was pedophillic con man that invented a history that has been proved to be false. If you want a good history of Smith, try "No Man Knows My History."

That book is a load of fallacious crap. If you want a good history, Try Rough Stone Rolling. Much better account. And by better, I mean it wasn't written by someone intent on a smear campaign and was written as actual historical work.

Rough Stone Rolling is the literary equivalent of blowjob for Joseph Smith.  I get the feeling that any book that is even slightly critical of that huckster would get called "fallacious" by you.

RSR covers polygamy, the underage wives, the hat-stones, the lack of habeas corpus in Nauvoo. In what ways is it a blowjob?


Its been five years since I read it, but recall that it never addressed the outright fabrications in the Book of Mormon, proven by virtue of archeology and genetics; something Brodie never had access to. That is the biggest failing: never critically examining the fact that he made the whole damn thing up. A quick look at Wikipedia shows Larry McMurtry described it as being difficult to tell when the biography ends and the apologetics begins.
 
2013-05-21 08:26:17 PM  

lennavan: So I clicked, all giddy at the excitement of seeing someone tell Nancy Grace off.

"I really, to be frankly honest, don't appreciate you bringing this all up."

That's it?


Nobody else does it.
 
2013-05-21 08:26:38 PM  
FTFA: "Here, we rounded up a few examples of why Elizabeth Smart is so awesome-you know, in addition to her being an unerring advocate for kidnapping victims and their families..."

So she's in favor of kidnapping victims and their families?!? How heroic! That's right up there with posting a scan of your NAMBLA Membership Card.
 
2013-05-21 08:28:20 PM  

Kinek: Milo Minderbinder: Kinek: catmandu: skozlaw: catmandu: Really?

A Christian is someone who believes Jesus Christ died on the cross to save them from their sins and give them eternal life.
John 3:16 says: "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life." (Love how fundies say gays cannot be Christian. what do they do with that "everyone"? But I digress)

Mormons deny the sufficiency of Christ's death for salvation. They also deny the Trinity and that there is one immortal God. The goal of Mormonism is that we all become as 'gods' becoming both immortal and divine, blurring the creator/creature distinction. They believe God the Father was once a man, just like you or me. For Mormons, Jesus isn't the only son of God, and he's not eternally begotten of the FatherNO TRUE SCOTSMAN!

You would be wrong, sir.

You would be wrong.

Educamate me then. What is a Christian and how are Mormons a Christian denomination (and their name being Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is Not sufficient).

The term Christian is a self-identification tool. Arguing that the Nicean creed, or some kind of Protestant or Calvinistic ethic to the already retardedly murky concept of redemption and/or salvation is sufficient to the definition of Christian is like posting a sign outside the clubhouse door that says : "No girls allowed." It says a lot more about the people making the argument than the people being excluded from the club.

The Mormon concept of the trinity is a hell of a lot better than the Essence arguments that Protestant and Catholic theologies argue around in order to not make themselves look like Pagans by having multiple godlike entities.

Honestly, it pisses me off that this is still even an issue in what should be a pluralistic conversation, and one of the reasons why I suspect that the LDS church ever got involved in California. They wanted to be one of the 'Christian' churches.

I self-identify as charmin ...

The fun part about that is that two of those three could be correct. Who am I to say that you aren't funny or charming? Am I the authority on such subjects? Of course not. However, I am jealous of your obviously grotesque penis. Sure you're not a barnacle?

/Fun fact of the day. Barnacles have giant penises.


If you believe those three things, then I understand why you cannot critically examine the life of Joseph Smith.
 
2013-05-21 08:28:42 PM  

Kinek:

The term Christian is a self-identification tool. Arguing that the Nicean creed, or some kind of Protestant or Calvinistic ethic to the already retardedly murky concept of redemption and/or salvation is sufficient to the definition of Christian is like posting a sign outside the clubhouse door that says : "No girls allowed." It says a lot more about the people making the argument than the people being excluded from the club.

The Mormon concept of the trinity is a hell of a lot better than the Essence arguments that Protestant and Catholic theologies argue around in order to not make themselves look like Pagans by having multiple godlike entities.

Honestly, it pisses me off that this is still even an issue in what should be a pluralistic conversation, and one of the reasons why I suspect that the LDS church ever got involved in California. They wanted to be one of the 'Christian' churches.


Christians claim to believe that the Bible is the Word of God. The Bible describes what a Christian is. Everythng else from the Nicean creed onward is just man's attempt to interpret it. That is my only point. Mormons are not Christians as described in the Bible.

Once again, I am only looking at this as an irreligious historian. I have no interest in claiming that any religion or denomination is better than another.
 
2013-05-21 08:45:21 PM  

Kinek: HortusMatris: Kinek: Actually, there are loads of Catholic doctrine, as well as Mormon doctrine (The only two religions I know well enough and that have a centralized figure) that suggest that a prophet or pope is indeed fallible, except when acting in certain offices or under certain circumstances. The biggest example being Moses.

Ugh, I feel like a total retard arguing about religion on the internet.  I know, I got myself into this mess.  How about this:  you win, and I'm going to get some actual work done.  Congratulations!

How about we call it a tie? It's only a win if everybody learns something!

Papal infallibility is a dogma of the Catholic Church which states that, in virtue of the promise of Jesus to Peter, the Pope is preserved from the possibility of error[1] "when, in the exercise of his office as shepherd and teacher of all Christians, in virtue of his supreme apostolic authority, he defines a doctrine concerning faith or morals to be held by the whole Church".[2]

How much is bullshiat, is left up to the viewer, and not something that can be argued. But the concept is there, and as far as I know, Prophetic fallibility is also a concept to the LDS church.


No, I am obviously the loser because you're still trying to educate me.  I over-simplified.  I know that prophets are only really supposed to be infallible when speaking on behalf of God.  Sorry.  It's all absurd to me, anyway, and I really don't care.
 
2013-05-21 08:48:04 PM  

Milo Minderbinder: Kinek: Milo Minderbinder: Kinek: Milo Minderbinder: Mormons: nice people that are, for the most part, entirely blind to the absurdity of their religion. Joseph Smith was pedophillic con man that invented a history that has been proved to be false. If you want a good history of Smith, try "No Man Knows My History."

That book is a load of fallacious crap. If you want a good history, Try Rough Stone Rolling. Much better account. And by better, I mean it wasn't written by someone intent on a smear campaign and was written as actual historical work.

Rough Stone Rolling is the literary equivalent of blowjob for Joseph Smith.  I get the feeling that any book that is even slightly critical of that huckster would get called "fallacious" by you.

RSR covers polygamy, the underage wives, the hat-stones, the lack of habeas corpus in Nauvoo. In what ways is it a blowjob?

Its been five years since I read it, but recall that it never addressed the outright fabrications in the Book of Mormon, proven by virtue of archeology and genetics; something Brodie never had access to. That is the biggest failing: never critically examining the fact that he made the whole damn thing up. A quick look at Wikipedia shows Larry McMurtry described it as being difficult to tell when the biography ends and the apologetics begins.


That's not under the purview of history, and at least on the genetics side, could be argued about. Not in the way you think, but the genetics paper purported to disprove the Book of Mormon (I know the one you're talking about) assumes a lot of things. A lot of things that are assumed from cultural Mormonism, but not actually part of history. The most glaring one being where it actually is supposed to have taken place (It's not mentioned by the book itself, and I can give a long and contradictory account of where multiple people have placed it. This would be important for a genetic study). The other being where the study actually took SNP haplotypes from to compare Jewishness and who they compared them to. Again, it's not an issue of Yes it did, No it didn't. It's that the study made assumptions, therefore there's still a gap. Can't make a call one way or another. Could be wrong or right. But to say that genetics has presented proof, I would argue.

Archeaology, sure, I have no authority to argue about that, but again, we're talking about a history book. It talks about history.
The biggest and most glaring gaps are things like Horses and curiously enough, the weighting system. All of these fly in the face of archaeology. And sure, he could've talked about these, but this is a history book again.

And this brings up another point. Mormon history tends (I say tends, because there are a few good observational studies by disinterested parties) to be written by 3 sorts of people. The white washers, the apologetics, and the anti-mormons. None of these people will present the whole argument, but it's my opinion that the apologetics, at least the good apologetics, will wander around the truth more closely than the white washers or the anti-mormons.
 
2013-05-21 08:48:32 PM  

skozlaw: Nobody ever used reason to become religious so you can't expect the religious to act reasonably when faced with a challenge. She was fourteen, it's not her fault her parents failed her.


No, man, it is so much worse than that. Let's presume, for the sake of argument, that it is TRUE that being raped makes you impure. She then goes one more, and asserts that it is this impurity that is making her fearful specifically against running. In other words, the fearfulness about the conditions of her impurity abate, provided that she is sitting on her ass. But if she run...here come the fear of impurity.

That's why it's strike one AND two. Because even if you buy the impurity aspect...it's still totally farking tarded.
 
2013-05-21 08:51:22 PM  

Milo Minderbinder: Kinek: Milo Minderbinder: Kinek: catmandu: skozlaw: catmandu: Really?

A Christian is someone who believes Jesus Christ died on the cross to save them from their sins and give them eternal life.
John 3:16 says: "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life." (Love how fundies say gays cannot be Christian. what do they do with that "everyone"? But I digress)

Mormons deny the sufficiency of Christ's death for salvation. They also deny the Trinity and that there is one immortal God. The goal of Mormonism is that we all become as 'gods' becoming both immortal and divine, blurring the creator/creature distinction. They believe God the Father was once a man, just like you or me. For Mormons, Jesus isn't the only son of God, and he's not eternally begotten of the FatherNO TRUE SCOTSMAN!

You would be wrong, sir.

You would be wrong.

Educamate me then. What is a Christian and how are Mormons a Christian denomination (and their name being Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is Not sufficient).

The term Christian is a self-identification tool. Arguing that the Nicean creed, or some kind of Protestant or Calvinistic ethic to the already retardedly murky concept of redemption and/or salvation is sufficient to the definition of Christian is like posting a sign outside the clubhouse door that says : "No girls allowed." It says a lot more about the people making the argument than the people being excluded from the club.

The Mormon concept of the trinity is a hell of a lot better than the Essence arguments that Protestant and Catholic theologies argue around in order to not make themselves look like Pagans by having multiple godlike entities.

Honestly, it pisses me off that this is still even an issue in what should be a pluralistic conversation, and one of the reasons why I suspect that the LDS church ever got involved in California. They wanted to be one of the 'Christian' churches.

...


Humor and wit may be subjective. What I may not find funny, others may find charming and endearing. The beauty of a pluralistic society is that subjective viewpoints may all be simultaneously correct. I don't have the defining call on whether you're charming or not, and so, I'll fudge it in your favor. Your penis on the other hand is most likely between 4-7 inches, and if it's not, well, then I'd like you to get a plane ticket. There's a dissecting table with your name on it.
 
2013-05-21 08:53:06 PM  

skankboy: Nancy Grace can eat a bag of dicks. (Not that she needs my prodding)


She's lying, disbarred lawyer who would falsify evidence to convict her mother of prostitution.
 
2013-05-21 08:56:26 PM  
After responding to Grace's questions, with steely stares, one "can you believe this chick?" side glance, and finally, a flat-out refusal to go along with Grace's line of questioning, Smart said, "I really, to be frankly honest, don't appreciate you bringing this all up." Schooled.
=====================================================

What the shiat?

Who wrote this? A five year old?
 
2013-05-21 08:56:49 PM  

catmandu: Kinek:

The term Christian is a self-identification tool. Arguing that the Nicean creed, or some kind of Protestant or Calvinistic ethic to the already retardedly murky concept of redemption and/or salvation is sufficient to the definition of Christian is like posting a sign outside the clubhouse door that says : "No girls allowed." It says a lot more about the people making the argument than the people being excluded from the club.

The Mormon concept of the trinity is a hell of a lot better than the Essence arguments that Protestant and Catholic theologies argue around in order to not make themselves look like Pagans by having multiple godlike entities.

Honestly, it pisses me off that this is still even an issue in what should be a pluralistic conversation, and one of the reasons why I suspect that the LDS church ever got involved in California. They wanted to be one of the 'Christian' churches.

Christians claim to believe that the Bible is the Word of God. The Bible describes what a Christian is. Everythng else from the Nicean creed onward is just man's attempt to interpret it. That is my only point. Mormons are not Christians as described in the Bible.

Once again, I am only looking at this as an irreligious historian. I have no interest in claiming that any religion or denomination is better than another.


Psalm 119:151-2, 160
Thou art near, O LORD; and all thy commandments are truth. Concerning thy testimonies, I have known of old that thou hast founded them for ever. (vv.151-2)
Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever. (v.160)
Ecclesiastes 12:13
Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
Malachi 4:4
Remember ye the law of Moses.
Matthew 5:18-19
Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or tittle shall nowise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven.
Luke 16:17
It is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail


Alright, so part one of our argument. We've established that the Mosaic law is still in force during the New testament era.
Part 2 of our argument:

Literally the entire retarded mosaic law. Linens. Stonings. The whole shebang.

So. Either Christians are not defined by the Bible, or Nobody except the Amish are Christian.

Unless of course this is an utterly retarded argument. Ex-biblical arguments are the bread and butter of schisms.
 
2013-05-21 09:01:48 PM  
*Sigh*  This thread is so full of fail without pics of Grace's love melons spilling out all over the place.
 
2013-05-21 09:10:25 PM  

Kinek: Milo Minderbinder: Kinek: Milo Minderbinder: Kinek: Milo Minderbinder: Mormons: nice people that are, for the most part, entirely blind to the absurdity of their religion. Joseph Smith was pedophillic con man that invented a history that has been proved to be false. If you want a good history of Smith, try "No Man Knows My History."

That book is a load of fallacious crap. If you want a good history, Try Rough Stone Rolling. Much better account. And by better, I mean it wasn't written by someone intent on a smear campaign and was written as actual historical work.

Rough Stone Rolling is the literary equivalent of blowjob for Joseph Smith.  I get the feeling that any book that is even slightly critical of that huckster would get called "fallacious" by you.

RSR covers polygamy, the underage wives, the hat-stones, the lack of habeas corpus in Nauvoo. In what ways is it a blowjob?

Its been five years since I read it, but recall that it never addressed the outright fabrications in the Book of Mormon, proven by virtue of archeology and genetics; something Brodie never had access to. That is the biggest failing: never critically examining the fact that he made the whole damn thing up. A quick look at Wikipedia shows Larry McMurtry described it as being difficult to tell when the biography ends and the apologetics begins.

That's not under the purview of history, and at least on the genetics side, could be argued about. Not in the way you think, but the genetics paper purported to disprove the Book of Mormon (I know the one you're talking about) assumes a lot of things. A lot of things that are assumed from cultural Mormonism, but not actually part of history. The most glaring one being where it actually is supposed to have taken place (It's not mentioned by the book itself, and I can give a long and contradictory account of where multiple people have placed it. This would be important for a genetic study). The other being where the study actually took SNP haplotypes from to compare Jewishness and who they compared them to. Again, it's not an issue of Yes it did, No it didn't. It's that the study made assumptions, therefore there's still a gap. Can't make a call one way or another. Could be wrong or right. But to say that genetics has presented proof, I would argue.

Archeaology, sure, I have no authority to argue about that, but again, we're talking about a history book. It talks about history.
The biggest and most glaring gaps are things like Horses and curiously enough, the weighting system. All of these fly in the face of archaeology. And sure, he could've talked about these, but this is a history book again.

And this brings up another point. Mormon history tends (I say tends, because there are a few good observational studies by disinterested parties) to be written by 3 sorts of people. The white washers, the apologetics, and the anti-mormons. None of these people will present the whole argument, but it's my opinion that the apologetics, at least the good apologetics, will wander around the truth more closely than the white washers or the anti-mormons.


So a "history" cannot include critical analysis from other disciplines? Who made up that rule?

Smith writes a book, claiming divine revelation. The content of that book is later PROVEN to be bullshiat, making the author a liar. And you are arguing that a good biography should not address this fact?
 
2013-05-21 09:16:02 PM  

Kinek:


Unless of course this is an utterly retarded argument. Ex-biblical arguments are the bread and butter of schisms.


It is an utterly retarded argument because there is only one passage in the Bible that tells how one becomes what we now call a Christian ( a person saved to eternal life by belief in Jesus as the only, eternal son of God) John 3:16. Everything else that is not "historical" or describing what is happening is telling God's people how they should act.
 
2013-05-21 09:16:11 PM  

catmandu: Kinek:

The term Christian is a self-identification tool. Arguing that the Nicean creed, or some kind of Protestant or Calvinistic ethic to the already retardedly murky concept of redemption and/or salvation is sufficient to the definition of Christian is like posting a sign outside the clubhouse door that says : "No girls allowed." It says a lot more about the people making the argument than the people being excluded from the club.

The Mormon concept of the trinity is a hell of a lot better than the Essence arguments that Protestant and Catholic theologies argue around in order to not make themselves look like Pagans by having multiple godlike entities.

Honestly, it pisses me off that this is still even an issue in what should be a pluralistic conversation, and one of the reasons why I suspect that the LDS church ever got involved in California. They wanted to be one of the 'Christian' churches.

Christians claim to believe that the Bible is the Word of God. The Bible describes what a Christian is. Everythng else from the Nicean creed onward is just man's attempt to interpret it. That is my only point. Mormons are not Christians as described in the Bible.

Once again, I am only looking at this as an irreligious historian. I have no interest in claiming that any religion or denomination is better than another.


The Bible isn't necessarily the end-all be-all of Christianity. As with any major religion, Christianity is an umbrella term and many sects place a great importance on texts outside of the Bible. Pauline Christianity is what most people in the West would identify as Christianity, but take a glance at Gnostic Christianity and Catharism for examples of how much variation in beliefs and practices can exist under the name of Christianity. As for what makes someone a Christian, every sect has its own criteria and some may not even place importance on such a label.
 
2013-05-21 09:17:09 PM  

catmandu: What is a Christian and how are Mormons a Christian denomination


They're crazy people who think a magical Jewish zombie got up and started walking around about 1980 years ago.
 
2013-05-21 09:19:46 PM  
Even worse, its boring bullshiat. At least a con man like L. Ron made his fiction interesting. The Book of Mormon is the worst religious tract ever. My favorite Book of Mormon drinking game? Open to any page and do a shot everytime you read "And it came to pass." Its like the man had only one way to start an idea. If God exists, I'm pretty sure he's a better author than that.
 
2013-05-21 09:20:49 PM  

bugontherug: Coming as it did from a teenage girl recently kidnapped and repeatedly raped, I thought it was devastating in its polite understatement.


She is 25 and has been free of her kidnappers for 10 years, just to put things in perspective.
 
2013-05-21 09:29:35 PM  

Kinek: catmandu: Kinek:

The term Christian is a self-identification tool. Arguing that the Nicean creed, or some kind of Protestant or Calvinistic ethic to the already retardedly murky concept of redemption and/or salvation is sufficient to the definition of Christian is like posting a sign outside the clubhouse door that says : "No girls allowed." It says a lot more about the people making the argument than the people being excluded from the club.

The Mormon concept of the trinity is a hell of a lot better than the Essence arguments that Protestant and Catholic theologies argue around in order to not make themselves look like Pagans by having multiple godlike entities.

Honestly, it pisses me off that this is still even an issue in what should be a pluralistic conversation, and one of the reasons why I suspect that the LDS church ever got involved in California. They wanted to be one of the 'Christian' churches.

Christians claim to believe that the Bible is the Word of God. The Bible describes what a Christian is. Everythng else from the Nicean creed onward is just man's attempt to interpret it. That is my only point. Mormons are not Christians as described in the Bible.

Once again, I am only looking at this as an irreligious historian. I have no interest in claiming that any religion or denomination is better than another.


Psalm 119:151-2, 160
Thou art near, O LORD; and all thy commandments are truth. Concerning thy testimonies, I have known of old that thou hast founded them for ever. (vv.151-2)
Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever. (v.160)
Ecclesiastes 12:13
Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
Malachi 4:4
Remember ye the law of Moses.
Matthew 5:18-19
Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or tittle shall nowise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven.
Luke 16:17
It is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail

Alright, so part one of our argument. We've established that the Mosaic law is still in force during the New testament era.
Part 2 of our argument:

Literally the entire retarded mosaic law. Linens. Stonings. The whole shebang.

So. Either Christians are not defined by the Bible, or Nobody except the Amish are Christian.

Unless of course this is an utterly retarded argument. Ex-biblical arguments are the bread and butter of schisms.


You are correct. It is vitally important that Jews abide by Mosaic Law. Thankfully, the very vast majority of Christians are not Jewish.
 
2013-05-21 09:32:19 PM  
I actually admire Smith; he ran probably the greatest con in history. Do you have any idea how many times I have tried the "God-told-me-that-you-are-going-to-hell-if-you-don't-let-me-bang-all-t hese-underage-chicks" bit with my wife? However, I never get it to work. That's what I get for marrying a woman that is much less gullible than yer average Mormon.
 
2013-05-21 09:36:00 PM  

jshine: Anayalator: [ct.fra.bz image 500x299]

Mormons are Christians who took the "red pill".


You must've done a lot of LDS to think that's what's in the red pill
 
2013-05-21 09:45:39 PM  

lostcat: The practicing Mormon boldly cited the belief that she was no longer "pure" after being raped by her captives as a reason for being afraid to run.

Am I reading that wrong or is it just written incorrectly?


I had to re-read that a number of times as well. It's awkwardly written. "Boldly" has no place in that sentence, in my opinion. It gives the impression that she endorses this belief, when she is in fact actively working to discredit it. I would have written that she "boldly  admitted she believed she was no longer pure..."

/farking English. How does it work?
 
2013-05-21 10:03:12 PM  

scalpod: [www.popfi.com image 225x300]

"I'll take Mythology for $1000, Alex."

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"What is a harpy?"

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"Correct. We would have also accepted gorgon." [shudder]


img.photobucket.com

/would lol again
 
2013-05-21 10:04:06 PM  

Walter Paisley: catmandu: Kinek:

The term Christian is a self-identification tool. Arguing that the Nicean creed, or some kind of Protestant or Calvinistic ethic to the already retardedly murky concept of redemption and/or salvation is sufficient to the definition of Christian is like posting a sign outside the clubhouse door that says : "No girls allowed." It says a lot more about the people making the argument than the people being excluded from the club.

The Mormon concept of the trinity is a hell of a lot better than the Essence arguments that Protestant and Catholic theologies argue around in order to not make themselves look like Pagans by having multiple godlike entities.

Honestly, it pisses me off that this is still even an issue in what should be a pluralistic conversation, and one of the reasons why I suspect that the LDS church ever got involved in California. They wanted to be one of the 'Christian' churches.

Christians claim to believe that the Bible is the Word of God. The Bible describes what a Christian is. Everythng else from the Nicean creed onward is just man's attempt to interpret it. That is my only point. Mormons are not Christians as described in the Bible.

Once again, I am only looking at this as an irreligious historian. I have no interest in claiming that any religion or denomination is better than another.

The Bible isn't necessarily the end-all be-all of Christianity. As with any major religion, Christianity is an umbrella term and many sects place a great importance on texts outside of the Bible. Pauline Christianity is what most people in the West would identify as Christianity, but take a glance at Gnostic Christianity and Catharism for examples of how much variation in beliefs and practices can exist under the name of Christianity. As for what makes someone a Christian, every sect has its own criteria and some may not even place importance on such a label.


Correct.

Try reading a Catholic bible. It is full of historical footnotes explaining the context in ancient Judaism and at the time of Christ.

The bible is definitely NOT the inalienable word of God for Catholics. Yet they were the first Christians.
 
2013-05-21 10:06:31 PM  

SevenizGud: FTFA:
The practicing Mormon boldly cited the belief that she was no longer "pure" after being raped by her captives as a reason for being afraid to run.

du fuk? seriously? That's strike one and two right there.


Needs to be bolded. I'm not sure how you can be raped by someone that you keep chained in a shed.
 
2013-05-21 10:08:28 PM  

lostcat: The practicing Mormon boldly cited the belief that she was no longer "pure" after being raped by her captives as a reason for being afraid to run.

Am I reading that wrong or is it just written incorrectly?


THIS... is why spell-check will never replace a decent copy editor.
 
2013-05-21 10:10:47 PM  
One day, I hope Nancy Grace gets into some sort of legal trouble.   I hope someone drags her through and through the mud.  Over, and over again.

As much as I think what Jodi Arias did was wrong and she deserves life.  I don't like the way Nancy Grace tries to demonize anyone.  Then again, it shows you how broken our legal system is.
I also hated the way the Prosecutor handled himself.  To me, it is highly unprofessional to act like he does.  It does not show any lawyer in good light.  Also to all the Jodi Arias haters, I just hope you face
the legal system one day.  You will see how much the deck is stacked in favor of the prosecution today.  You will learn and learn it hard.
 
2013-05-21 10:20:04 PM  
One would be hard pressed to find a better example of grace and class than Elizabeth Smart...or a worse example than Nancy Grace.
 
2013-05-21 10:23:28 PM  

markb289: One would be hard pressed to find a better example of grace and class than Elizabeth Smart...or a worse example than Nancy Grace.


Ditto
 
2013-05-21 10:26:20 PM  

werem00se: [i140.photobucket.com image 378x500]


Hey!

Cut that out!

Love,
Dick
 
2013-05-21 10:36:35 PM  
 Nancy Grace is one scary looking biatch with that hideous nose that worthless attitude that she displays to the camera.
I ALWAYS change immediately to a different channel when ever her pug face appears.
She never has anything important worth listening too...

She should team up with TAN MOM and do a road show.....
 
2013-05-21 10:36:36 PM  
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2013-05-21 10:48:36 PM  
Nancy Grace....more like Nancy Ugly!
 
2013-05-21 10:53:11 PM  

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umm ewww.. is she smelling her arm pits?? cause dude, that is like so totally gross... eww.. she IS SMELLING THEM!!! ewwwwww
 
2013-05-21 11:13:33 PM  
Who are either of these AWs?
 
2013-05-21 11:14:41 PM  

Troifan: As much as I think what Jodi Arias did was wrong and she deserves life.  I don't like the way Nancy Grace tries to demonize anyone.  Then again, it shows you how broken our legal system is.
I also hated the way the Prosecutor handled himself.  To me, it is highly unprofessional to act like he does.  It does not show any lawyer in good light.  Also to all the Jodi Arias haters, I just hope you face
the legal system one day.  You will see how much the deck is stacked in favor of the prosecution today.  You will learn and learn it hard.


Jodi isn't going to sleep with you. She has a girlfriend now.

/seriously, find a better example if you want to rail against the justice system.

GWSuperfan: I'm not sure how you can be raped by someone that you keep chained in a shed.


That is why you keep them chained up in the shed, so they can't rape you any more. Duh.
 
2013-05-21 11:15:59 PM  
Man my editing skills suck lately.
 
2013-05-21 11:31:19 PM  
Who deserves to be happy?
 
2013-05-21 11:31:51 PM  
Nancy Grace looks like that "Who farted y'all" chick all grown up and fat.
 
2013-05-21 11:37:26 PM  
Fish_Bulb:  No. They are Mormons. They are not a Christian denomination...

???
The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter Day Saints is not a Christian denomination now?

...like Baptists or Lutherans or even Catholics. That's why their religion has their own name.

Yea just like Baptists, Lutherans and even Catholics all have their own name.

Look, I give fark-all about religion but I do hold reading comprehension to be sacred and you, sir, are practically a heretic!
 
2013-05-22 12:50:03 AM  

Milo Minderbinder: Mormons The religious: [mostly] nice people that are, for the most part, entirely blind to the absurdity of their religion.




FTFY
 
2013-05-22 12:53:20 AM  
One day I hope she gets blindsided by a cruel and unnecessary question that forces her to see her own hideousness and vile behavior for what it is. I hope that in that moment of emotional crescendo she breaks down and weeps for her own wasted life. I hope it happens on-air, and I hope I get to see it so I can laugh at her pain. And all will be right with the universe. Balance will have been struck.
 
2013-05-22 12:57:34 AM  

UseLessHuman: One day I hope she gets blindsided by a cruel and unnecessary question that forces her to see her own hideousness and vile behavior for what it is. I hope that in that moment of emotional crescendo she breaks down and weeps for her own wasted life. I hope it happens on-air, and I hope I get to see it so I can laugh at her pain. And all will be right with the universe. Balance will have been struck.


Damn dude. Wasn't being kidnapped and raped bad enough?
 
2013-05-22 01:55:18 AM  
Am I in before the shop of her in ball gag.
 
2013-05-22 02:00:37 AM  

catmandu: skozlaw: catmandu: I would tell you they are not.

You would be wrong, sir.

You would be wrong.

Really?

A Christian is someone who believes Jesus Christ died on the cross to save them from their sins and give them eternal life.
John 3:16 says: "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life." (Love how fundies say gays cannot be Christian. what do they do with that "everyone"? But I digress)

Mormons deny the sufficiency of Christ's death for salvation. They also deny the Trinity and that there is one immortal God. The goal of Mormonism is that we all become as 'gods' becoming both immortal and divine, blurring the creator/creature distinction. They believe God the Father was once a man, just like you or me. For Mormons, Jesus isn't the only son of God, and he's not eternally begotten of the Father


Before you type another word, you should learn to google.http://mormon.org/articles-of-faith

Article 1, and 3 state it pretty clearly.

I'll return you back to your regular troll feedings.
 
2013-05-22 03:33:59 AM  

skinbubble: lennavan: So I clicked, all giddy at the excitement of seeing someone tell Nancy Grace off.

"I really, to be frankly honest, don't appreciate you bringing this all up."

That's it?

Not taking the troll bait and sticking to the high road is better than sinking to Nancy Grace's level and doing it in a mature, level headed way is bonus points.



Well, sure, but going full-on Dark Lord of the Sith and frying Nancy Grace with repeated blasts of Force-lightning until she made a matching set with Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru would have been pretty cool, as well.

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-05-22 07:36:08 AM  

amquelbettamin: The bible is definitely NOT the inalienable word of God for Catholics. Yet they were the first Christians.


That's not true.  Catholics aren't Christians, a Baptist told me so.
 
2013-05-22 08:28:53 AM  

t3knomanser: Fun fact: "Nancy Grace" is actually an onomatopoeia. It's the exact sound a bag of rotting trash and feces makes when you throw it down a flight of stairs.


THREAD OVER. WE HAVE A WINNAR.
 
2013-05-22 08:30:14 AM  

another cultural observer: amquelbettamin: The bible is definitely NOT the inalienable word of God for Catholics. Yet they were the first Christians.

That's not true.  Catholics aren't Christians, a Baptist told me so.


I've been told by a devout Catholic that they're not Christians. They're CATLICK.
 
2013-05-22 08:53:33 AM  
that girl is hot.
 
2013-05-22 10:32:09 AM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: In February 2012, she married a Scotsman, Matthew Gilmour, at a spur-of-the-moment private ceremony in a Mormon temple in Oahu.

No she didn't. Somebody doesn't know how Mormon temples work.

*One.does.not.simply.walk.into.the.temple.jpg*



"Spur of the moment temple wedding" = "arranging for the ceremony weeks in advance." It's not opulent, but it is a wedding, and arrangements simply have to be made.
 
2013-05-22 10:33:39 AM  

HortusMatris: he escaped after being abducted and raped for a year to be a member of a religion that shows 18-year-old boys more respect than grandmothers and has a history of endorsing polyga


You guys don't get out much, do you? Good thing you're not bigots or anything. :)
 
2013-05-22 11:36:04 AM  

Akambe: HortusMatris: he escaped after being abducted and raped for a year to be a member of a religion that shows 18-year-old boys more respect than grandmothers and has a history of endorsing polyga

You guys don't get out much, do you? Good thing you're not bigots or anything. :)


EABOD.
 
2013-05-22 12:18:15 PM  

Akambe: HortusMatris: he escaped after being abducted and raped for a year to be a member of a religion that shows 18-year-old boys more respect than grandmothers and has a history of endorsing polyga

You guys don't get out much, do you? Good thing you're not bigots or anything. :)


Welcome to Fark™ where you, too, can be an important person and pretend your opinions matter.
 
2013-05-22 01:56:22 PM  
Nancy Grace always looks like she's being asked to suck her first uncut cock.
 
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