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(Washington Times)   Ron Paul says, Fix the IRS by Shutting It Down 'once and for all'. Ron Farking Paul   (washingtontimes.com) divider line 648
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2013-05-21 11:53:08 AM
Scrap the IRS and just flat tax everyone.
Seriously.  Has anyone tried doing their own taxes?   It's a massive pain in the ass.
 
2013-05-21 11:59:11 AM
"I DEMAND YOU STOP PAYING MY SALARY!  And let my benefits lapse too."
 
2013-05-21 11:59:16 AM

mistrmind: Scrap the IRS and just flat tax everyone.
Seriously.  Has anyone tried doing their own taxes?   It's a massive pain in the ass.


Turbo Tax is hard.
 
2013-05-21 11:59:35 AM

mistrmind: Scrap the IRS and just flat tax everyone.
Seriously.  Has anyone tried doing their own taxes?   It's a massive pain in the ass.


This
 
2013-05-21 12:04:30 PM

mistrmind: flat tax everyone.


a flat tax is regressive. it hurts poor people and helps rich people. it is immoral and unethical.
 
2013-05-21 12:05:28 PM

clancifer: mistrmind: Scrap the IRS and just flat tax everyone.
Seriously.  Has anyone tried doing their own taxes?   It's a massive pain in the ass.

Turbo Tax is hard.


Even with that, Taxslayer or what have you, doing a tax return is still a pain.

That's still not an excuse for a regressive tax though.
 
2013-05-21 12:11:21 PM

clancifer: mistrmind: Scrap the IRS and just flat tax everyone.
Seriously.  Has anyone tried doing their own taxes?   It's a massive pain in the ass.

Turbo Tax is hard.


Yes, but are you getting everything back that you deserve?  Does Turbo Tax know the vast tax laws we have at the State and Federal level.  If the IRS comes knocking at your door because of a glitch in Turbo Tax, does Turbo Tax fight back on your side?
If the answer is yes, then I'll try Turbo Tax.
Otherwise, I'll stick to my accountant of over 30 years.
 
2013-05-21 12:12:34 PM

FlashHarry: mistrmind: flat tax everyone.

a flat tax is regressive. it hurts poor people and helps rich people. it is immoral and unethical.


How so?
Why not have certain levels of a flat tax for low, medium, and high income citizens?
 
2013-05-21 12:13:16 PM
RON PAUL says a lot of things. RON PAUL rarely follows through on those things.

mistrmind: Yes, but are you getting everything back that you deserve? Does Turbo Tax know the vast tax laws we have at the State and Federal level. If the IRS comes knocking at your door because of a glitch in Turbo Tax, does Turbo Tax fight back on your side?


I think they charge a small fee for that service, but it is offered.
 
2013-05-21 12:14:17 PM

mistrmind: Why not have certain levels of a flat tax for low, medium, and high income citizens?


Do you realize that you are suggesting the alternative to a flat tax is the current graduated system that is in place now?
 
2013-05-21 12:14:39 PM

mistrmind: Why not have certain levels of a flat tax for low, medium, and high income citizens?


That's the current system, more or less.

Tax brackets have a set rate variable by deductions, credits and whatnot and those rates go up for each additional bracket.
 
2013-05-21 12:15:18 PM
And I love how RON PAUL wants to shutter the IRS, but offers no explanation on where revenue will come from or how it will be collected in the future.

That's like waking up in the night with your foot asleep and deciding to chop it off.
 
2013-05-21 12:15:45 PM

mistrmind: Why not have certain levels of a flat tax for low, medium, and high income citizens?


that's not a "flat tax."

the tax code can be simplified, sure - but a flat tax is wrong.
 
2013-05-21 12:16:38 PM
The middle class is being destroyed, you can't fill out the 1040 EZ ?
 
2013-05-21 12:18:10 PM

Rev.K: mistrmind: Why not have certain levels of a flat tax for low, medium, and high income citizens?

Do you realize that you are suggesting the alternative to a flat tax is the current graduated system that is in place now?


I'm suggesting a graduated system that is in place now without all the added BS seems to be tacked on.
 
2013-05-21 12:20:28 PM

johnryan51: The middle class is being destroyed, you can't fill out the 1040 EZ ?


Aarontology: RON PAUL says a lot of things. RON PAUL rarely follows through on those things.

mistrmind: Yes, but are you getting everything back that you deserve? Does Turbo Tax know the vast tax laws we have at the State and Federal level. If the IRS comes knocking at your door because of a glitch in Turbo Tax, does Turbo Tax fight back on your side?

I think they charge a small fee for that service, but it is offered.


Is the service rep well versed in tax law and has been practicing accountant for over 20 years?   If it's some snort nosed punk who just graduated college with a liberal arts degree, you're not instilling much confidence here.
 
2013-05-21 12:26:21 PM

mistrmind: Is the service rep well versed in tax law and has been practicing accountant for over 20 years? If it's some snort nosed punk who just graduated college with a liberal arts degree, you're not instilling much confidence here.


They say they're tax experts versed in the laws of your state, but beyond that I don't know. You could probably check their website or something for that info.
 
2013-05-21 12:27:53 PM

mistrmind: I'm suggesting a graduated system that is in place now without all the added BS seems to be tacked on.


mistrmind: Scrap the IRS and just flat tax everyone.


hmm....
 
2013-05-21 12:27:59 PM

mistrmind: FlashHarry: mistrmind: flat tax everyone.

a flat tax is regressive. it hurts poor people and helps rich people. it is immoral and unethical.

How so?
Why not have certain levels of a flat tax for low, medium, and high income citizens?


Then it wouldn't be flat any more, would it?

What about billionaires that spend a mere fraction of their incomes?
 
2013-05-21 12:35:47 PM

Marcus Aurelius: mistrmind: FlashHarry: mistrmind: flat tax everyone.

a flat tax is regressive. it hurts poor people and helps rich people. it is immoral and unethical.

How so?
Why not have certain levels of a flat tax for low, medium, and high income citizens?

Then it wouldn't be flat any more, would it?

What about billionaires that spend a mere fraction of their incomes?


How about living in a Capitalistic society, where the country as well as people live within their means?
Also, why is it bad to be a Billionaire?
 
2013-05-21 12:39:29 PM

mistrmind: Scrap the IRS and just flat tax everyone.
Seriously.  Has anyone tried doing their own taxes?   It's a massive pain in the ass.


In other words: "Hi, I'm not very smart. I don't like the IRS because they collect taxes. For some stupid reason, I think that if we went to a flat tax, we wouldn't need the IRS. Also, I like paying the higher taxes."

Seriously, just hire someone to do your taxes. You will still come out ahead after paying them, than you would a flat tax.
 
2013-05-21 12:42:47 PM

mistrmind: How about living in a Capitalistic society, where the country as well as people live within their means?


John Smith, the man who wrote Wealth of Nations and father to Capitalistic thought advocated for a graduated income tax.

Taxes aren't antithetical to capitalist theory either.
 
2013-05-21 12:43:33 PM

mistrmind: Rev.K: mistrmind: Why not have certain levels of a flat tax for low, medium, and high income citizens?

Do you realize that you are suggesting the alternative to a flat tax is the current graduated system that is in place now?

I'm suggesting a graduated system that is in place now without all the added BS seems to be tacked on.


So not a flat tax, just the current system without deductions or credits.
 
2013-05-21 12:55:28 PM

mistrmind: I'm suggesting a graduated system that is in place now without all the added BS seems to be tacked on.


Idealistic but a bit naive.  Their are thousands of attorneys who over the years have written our tax code into the mess it is, specifically to get themselves and their wealthy clients the best possible tax relief or avoidance.  These are the people who buy our politicians on both sides.

Every POTUS candidate or congressperson campaigns on simplifying the tax code, but none of them ever do.  It is because of these wealthy parasites and their lawyers.
 
2013-05-21 01:05:39 PM
Flat tax is regressive. You can make no argument about it.The argument you can make is that using a flat tax everyone pays the same % or "your fair share". Right now, the poor (and some middle class) pay no Federal income tax due to write offs, credits and lower income levels. This leaves their adjust gross income below the level for taxation.Using a VAT, lets say 20%, will affect a poor woman buying groceries much more than a rich person. The basics of living ... food, fuel, etc will cost 20% more. In exchange, she doesn't get payroll taxed. But she most likely wasn't paying tax to begin with. Back to the argument of paying your fair share.
 
2013-05-21 01:27:54 PM

FlashHarry: mistrmind: flat tax everyone.

a flat tax is regressive. it hurts poor people and helps rich people. it is immoral and unethical.


It's incredible to me that some people don't understand it and have to have it explained.. again.
 
2013-05-21 01:37:34 PM

Aarontology: John Smith, the man who wrote Wealth of Nations and father to Capitalistic thought advocated for a graduated income tax.


john smith?
 
2013-05-21 01:40:08 PM
I'm against a flat tax, but I do think we could have just 3 different brackets, with VERY few exemptions or loopholes.
 
2013-05-21 01:44:00 PM

FlashHarry: john smith?


Oh, derp. Adam. Adam Smith.
 
2013-05-21 01:47:19 PM

Aarontology: FlashHarry: john smith?

Oh, derp. Adam. Adam Smith.


lol. happens to the best of us. i was hoping for a "forget it; he's rolling," though.
 
2013-05-21 01:49:27 PM
Hero tag? That's funny, subs. Yes, let's get rid of taxes, completely. See where that gets us. It'll be a Ayn Randian paradise!
 
2013-05-21 01:53:51 PM
Yup. Let's just shut everything down. No more government. We can just organize according to corporate strongmen and institute the NeoFeudalism that Libertarians KEEP dreaming of.

Because, I'm sure, that will be better than a system of laws and self governance, and in no way could lead to any sort of complications...
 
2013-05-21 01:57:04 PM

hubiestubert: Yup. Let's just shut everything down. No more government. We can just organize according to corporate strongmen and institute the NeoFeudalism that Libertarians KEEP dreaming of.

Because, I'm sure, that will be better than a system of laws and self governance, and in no way could lead to any sort of complications...


www.geeknative.com
 
2013-05-21 02:00:33 PM

hubiestubert: Yup. Let's just shut everything down. No more government. We can just organize according to corporate strongmen and institute the NeoFeudalism that Libertarians KEEP dreaming of.

Because, I'm sure, that will be better than a system of laws and self governance, and in no way could lead to any sort of complications...


But think of all the delicious Uncle Enzo's Cosa Nostra pizza you'll be able to eat while living in your burbclave.
 
2013-05-21 02:00:37 PM

Cythraul: hubiestubert: Yup. Let's just shut everything down. No more government. We can just organize according to corporate strongmen and institute the NeoFeudalism that Libertarians KEEP dreaming of.

Because, I'm sure, that will be better than a system of laws and self governance, and in no way could lead to any sort of complications...

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lh3.googleusercontent.com
 
2013-05-21 02:01:34 PM

hubiestubert: Cythraul: hubiestubert: Yup. Let's just shut everything down. No more government. We can just organize according to corporate strongmen and institute the NeoFeudalism that Libertarians KEEP dreaming of.

Because, I'm sure, that will be better than a system of laws and self governance, and in no way could lead to any sort of complications...

[www.geeknative.com image 184x239]

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Touché
 
2013-05-21 02:13:01 PM
Yeah, That'll fix the deficit.
 
2013-05-21 02:43:34 PM

Some Bass Playing Guy: FlashHarry: mistrmind: flat tax everyone.

a flat tax is regressive. it hurts poor people and helps rich people. it is immoral and unethical.

It's incredible to me that some people don't understand it and have to have it explained.. again.


No, it's not really that incredible when you consider the sort you're dealing with. These are morons.
 
2013-05-21 02:46:16 PM

mistrmind: How about living in a Capitalistic society, where the country as well as people live within their means?
Also, why is it bad to be a Billionaire?


Ten bucks says you're in favor of the most ancient, socialist idea of all-time -- intergenerational, interfamilial wealth transfer.

/magic sperm? yay, i created no value and i got rewarded with billions
 
2013-05-21 03:07:28 PM
We'll just make federal departments hold bake sales for their funding.
 
2013-05-21 03:07:57 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-05-21 03:08:40 PM
At this point I'd be for it if it meant Ron Paul would shut the f*ck up.
 
2013-05-21 03:08:50 PM
Why not have certain levels of a flat tax for low, medium, and high income citizens?

ahhhh ahahaha oh my farking god ahhhh

holy shiat someone call 911, I just turned my diaphragm inside out laughing
 
2013-05-21 03:09:09 PM

mistrmind: Marcus Aurelius: mistrmind: FlashHarry: mistrmind: flat tax everyone.

a flat tax is regressive. it hurts poor people and helps rich people. it is immoral and unethical.

How so?
Why not have certain levels of a flat tax for low, medium, and high income citizens?

Then it wouldn't be flat any more, would it?

What about billionaires that spend a mere fraction of their incomes?

How about living in a Capitalistic society, where the country as well as people live within their means?
Also, why is it bad to be a Billionaire?


The extremely poor don't have means to live within.
 
2013-05-21 03:09:38 PM
Should be the 'Dumbass' tab.
 
2013-05-21 03:10:25 PM

hubiestubert: Yup. Let's just shut everything down. No more government. We can just organize according to corporate strongmen and institute the NeoFeudalism that Libertarians KEEP dreaming of.

Because, I'm sure, that will be better than a system of laws and self governance, and in no way could lead to any sort of complications...


that would be the most efficient way to punish the poors, yes
 
2013-05-21 03:10:46 PM
Can we burn down the government, collect the insurance money and start over from the beginning?

/ as long as we make it look like an electrical thing
 
2013-05-21 03:11:37 PM

mistrmind: Marcus Aurelius: mistrmind: FlashHarry: mistrmind: flat tax everyone.

a flat tax is regressive. it hurts poor people and helps rich people. it is immoral and unethical.

How so?
Why not have certain levels of a flat tax for low, medium, and high income citizens?

Then it wouldn't be flat any more, would it?

What about billionaires that spend a mere fraction of their incomes?

How about living in a Capitalistic society, where the country as well as people live within their means?
Also, why is it bad to be a Billionaire?


It's great to be a billionaire -- you can afford to pay more taxes!
 
2013-05-21 03:11:57 PM
Oh good, another tax thread. This is sure to be informed and illuminating.
 
2013-05-21 03:12:12 PM
I had an infection in my heart, so I cut it right out of my chest.

Solved that infection problem.
 
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