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(Salon)   Sen. Jim Inhofe: "The tornado aid which my state desperately needs is completely different than the hurricane aid in NJ and NY I voted against, because greedy Northeasterners and pork and futhermore comma"   (salon.com ) divider line
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2013-05-21 03:26:53 PM  
7 votes:
Since we have now heard from both Senate members from OK can we hear from some of the house members?

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2013-05-21 03:30:39 PM  
6 votes:
One would think that in an area of the country dubbed "Tornado Alley" - that you guys would at least build elementary schools with basements or some form of a shelter, other than an interior hallway.

While folks lobby for gun legislation in this country in an attempt to prevent another Sandyhook - why aren't folks demanding a basic change to the way we design and build public schools - to prevent another Plaza Towers?

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/oh, that's right - demanding better building codes for public structures isn't nearly as sexy as "assault" weapons.
2013-05-21 03:23:14 PM  
5 votes:
TYPICAL CONSERVATIVE: All high and mighty fark you I've got mine, but these farkers are the first in line for hand-outs.
2013-05-21 02:43:45 PM  
5 votes:
Inhofe contended on Tuesday that the Hurricane Sandy relief bill was different because it was filled with pork. "They were getting things, for instance, that was supposed to be in New Jersey," he said on MSNBC. "They had things in the Virgin Islands. They were fixing roads there, they were putting roofs on houses in Washington, D.C. Everybody was getting in and exploiting the tragedy that took place. That won't happen in Oklahoma."

Hmmm... I wonder why this:

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Gets money over a wider area than this:

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2013-05-21 03:38:06 PM  
4 votes:
It woudl be awesome if a Democratic senator put a hold on the Oklahoma tornado relief bill with the stipulation that if Inhofe get on his knees in front of the senate and beg forgiveness for being a complete asshole to the people in the Northeast that the bill would be allowed to pass.

/Infhofe is my senator.
//He's a complete embarrassment to the state.
2013-05-21 03:37:37 PM  
4 votes:
Can I just say that I'm gonna open my wallet for the poor farkers in Moore who got their houses razed by a giant wind lawnmower? Even though I live in Boston, the libbiest libby city that ever libbed a lib? And do you know why that is? BECAUSE IT'S THE FARKING UNITED STATES AND WE LOOK AFTER OUR OWN, MOTHERFARKER!

Fark these farksticks in the farking ass.
2013-05-21 03:34:08 PM  
4 votes:
If I were a senator I would add on to this relief bill so fast, their heads would spin! I would put an assault weapons ban in their relief bill and say:

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2013-05-21 02:52:39 PM  
4 votes:
"Boo hoo!  They wanted to fix things and make them more storm-resistant in the Sandy Relief bill!  WASTE!  FRAUD!  PORK!"

Be careful when you vote for "bootstraps," Okies, because you're either going to get the shaft or a fraud.
2013-05-21 03:37:06 PM  
3 votes:

MrSteve007: One would think that in an area of the country dubbed "Tornado Alley" - that you guys would at least build elementary schools with basements or some form of a shelter, other than an interior hallway.

While folks lobby for gun legislation in this country in an attempt to prevent another Sandyhook - why aren't folks demanding a basic change to the way we design and build public schools - to prevent another Plaza Towers?

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/oh, that's right - demanding better building codes for public structures isn't nearly as sexy as "assault" weapons.


There are several areas in the country where the ground will not allow people to build basements because it is too unstable. In particular, Oklahoma soil is mostly clay, which absorbs water and can quickly swell in size.
2013-05-21 03:26:26 PM  
3 votes:
This is the age we're in. Politicizing natural disasters instead of thinking about the people that are suffering. Stay classy, congress.
2013-05-21 02:26:26 PM  
3 votes:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Does submitter not understand what quote marks mean?


His actual quote is even dumber.
2013-05-21 05:19:16 PM  
2 votes:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: theorellior: LOL. Don't stop believing.

So you don't remember the people getting pulled off the roofs in New Orleans or the people living in their own filth in New York?


In a disaster area there's so much to pick and choose from. There were also orders of magnitude more people affected in both NOLA and NYC than in Oklahoma, so the response logistics are quite a bit different. You just happen to pick the bootstrappy portions of your disaster experience and the lazy moocher portions of disasters you didn't have any personal experience with. It's something called selection bias. It's especially prevalent when it just happens to align with your ideological mythologies.

Anyway, I bet you've been meaning to go sling hash at the local Denny's for free instead of arguing on the Internet, we know how caring and compassionate you are. When the Red Cross arrives, be sure to let them know my donation money should be used elsewhere, since you've got it all covered.
2013-05-21 05:03:23 PM  
2 votes:

ItchyMcDoogle: With all that said the people of Oklahoma deserve every bit of help from the Govt and everyone. Just because they have a bunch of GOP cockbags representing them in Washington is no reason to let them suffer at all. Even though I really really doubt it I do hope that the Senators who cut and tried to deny funding for Sandy see how hypocritical they are when the vote for funds to help the people of Oklahoma


i disagree with that. They vote every year to try and make it so the government isn't there to help them, then they come crying for a hand out everytime something happens and the rest of us dig in and help. I say this time, we don't. If you have a spoiled child, you dont keep rewarding their bad behavior. these people are spoiled children. If they had to reap what they sowed, maybe they'd stop sowing it
2013-05-21 04:16:42 PM  
2 votes:
Liberals: The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one.

Republicans: Me. It's all about me.


I'll go ahead and post this twice in one day...
2013-05-21 04:15:15 PM  
2 votes:
I didnt want to say anything about this yesterday because it was too soon. It might be still too soon But still the outright gall of these people is astounding. And grinds my gears to no end. There were people on on the east coast with no power, food or heat in the middle of farking winter because of these a-holes. Now they want the Government to do what they denied people on the east coast?

Reason #12427842 why ill never vote Republican in a million gawddamed years!

With all that said the people of Oklahoma deserve every bit of help from the Govt and everyone. Just because they have a bunch of GOP cockbags representing them in Washington is no reason to let them suffer at all. Even though I really really doubt it I do hope that the Senators who cut and tried to deny funding for Sandy see how hypocritical they are when the vote for funds to help the people of Oklahoma
2013-05-21 03:50:57 PM  
2 votes:

skullkrusher: A Dark Evil Omen: Leftist activists operating through the existing Occupy and other networks > FEMA > Red Cross > Everyone and everything else in the known universe > Capitalist anything

yeah you keep saying that. No one believes you.
Occupy Sandy did not do more good than the Red Cross and FEMA. It is simply not true. The only people who WOULD accept that are idiots and liars.

This is not to diminish the incredible generosity of the people involved with Occupy Sandy and other grassroots efforts - they gave out of the goodness of their hearts and made a difference in the places they served. It is to diminish bald faced liars like you.

Stop making a farking ass of yourself.


Just because *you* say this, does not make it true.
2013-05-21 03:43:06 PM  
2 votes:
I don't understand why federal money is needed for this at all. Surely the public buildings had insurance, so they will be rebuilt. If your house was destroyed and you don't have insurance you're an idiot with no foresight. Power lines are the responsibility of the power company. How much damage to public infrastructure can the tornado possibly have caused? They're destructive but it's very localized.

Not only should they not request federal money, they shouldn't receive it. I feel terrible for those who lost people, but it's not a federal emergency.
2013-05-21 03:36:13 PM  
2 votes:

MrSteve007: One would think that in an area of the country dubbed "Tornado Alley" - that you guys would at least build elementary schools with basements or some form of a shelter, other than an interior hallway.

While folks lobby for gun legislation in this country in an attempt to prevent another Sandyhook - why aren't folks demanding a basic change to the way we design and build public schools - to prevent another Plaza Towers?

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/oh, that's right - demanding better building codes for public structures isn't nearly as sexy as "assault" weapons.


Since when is it the responsiblity of the government to tell people how to build their houses?  Not very boot strappy.  Free market, brother.
2013-05-21 03:34:43 PM  
2 votes:

MrSteve007: While folks lobby for gun legislation in this country in an attempt to prevent another Sandyhook - why aren't folks demanding a basic change to the way we design and build public schools - to prevent another Plaza Towers?

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/oh, that's right - demanding better building codes for public structures isn't nearly as sexy as "assault" weapons.


Christ it's the day after, hop off the cross. Nothing makes people unsympathetic to your cause like piling on and crying about how everything that happens is REALLY an injustice about your pet peeve.
2013-05-21 03:30:39 PM  
2 votes:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Does submitter not understand what quote marks mean?


Not that you're wrong - subby is in fact part of the McJobs program - but it's ever so curious that you didn't bother to condemn the blatant hypocrisy of Inhofe.

If only there was a reason why....
2013-05-21 03:27:57 PM  
2 votes:

neongoats: Corvus: Just like when Republicans are on welfare, social security, or medicare it's also COMPLETELY different.

Yep no one helped them when they were on food stamps and welfare and unemployment and medicaid and living in public housing and eating wic cheese.


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//oblig
2013-05-21 03:27:14 PM  
2 votes:
GOP: The party of fark everyone who is not a rich white male.
2013-05-21 03:25:50 PM  
2 votes:
Christ, what an asshole.
2013-05-21 03:25:20 PM  
2 votes:
It's too bad the farking tornado didn't suck him out into space.

First to biatch about aid for others, first to demand handouts for himself.

So, typical GOP behavior then.
2013-05-21 03:24:59 PM  
2 votes:
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2013-05-21 03:20:54 PM  
2 votes:

factoryconnection: "Boo hoo!  They wanted to fix things and make them more storm-resistant in the Sandy Relief bill!  WASTE!  FRAUD!  PORK!"

Be careful when you vote for "bootstraps," Okies, because you're either going to get the shaft or a fraud.


Is this an appropriate place for the "Why not both?" meme?
2013-05-21 07:16:01 PM  
1 vote:
Let them suffer.
2013-05-21 06:54:44 PM  
1 vote:

SunsetLament: QUESTION: Are the Republicans packing the Oklahoma aid bill (that doesn't exist yet) with $60 billion of pork that has nothing to do with emergency disaster relief?


How about "how much are oil companies who lost nothing are going to get new drilling equipment and other kickbacks?" Look at this guy's record. He will try to shove as much as he can for oil companies, and very little for schools. He may even try to leave out the schools altogether. He's famous for trying to prevent testing for lead paint in schools and public housing.
2013-05-21 06:31:35 PM  
1 vote:
Looks like it's up to the blue states to step up and be better people than the Congresscritters from Oklahoma.

/not to mention being much better at basic Christianity.  You know: Charity, Compassion, Peace, etc.
//Also, you guys need to stop responding to Skullkrusher.  I know he's a troll, but seriously, I think he is becoming dangerously disconnected from reality.  Like Ted Nugent level of dangerously disconnected from reality.
2013-05-21 06:31:31 PM  
1 vote:

The Why Not Guy: JesusJuice: The people of Oklahoma elected the pols that blocked Sandy relief. They deserve to suffer for it.

Maybe they do, but I don't care. I'm going to do the right thing anyway.


You have a very narrow view of the "right thing."  I believe the right thing is to force them to empathize with the people they wronged by making them experience firsthand the pain they caused.  There need to be consequences for bad behavior to discourage that behavior in the future.  In the end, I believe this approach will produce more net good than disaster relief will.

The schadenfreude is just a side-benefit.
2013-05-21 06:23:37 PM  
1 vote:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: You better believe that people arn't going to do things for free for long. Never ask them to.

You have insurance and other what-nots to cover that cost.


Have you ever waited for an insurance check in a disaster situation? People aren't going to do things for free for long (even if they have the ability or resources to do so), and that time will come to an end long before the insurance check arrives.
2013-05-21 06:21:35 PM  
1 vote:

maxheck: JesusJuice:

The Why Not Guy: Muta: I sooooo hope someone puts does one of those anonymous filibusters on the bill just for the lolz.

No. People need that help right now. We're better than Republicans. Let's stay that way.

Republicans need to experience negative consequences to their douchebaggery. I fully approve of Oklahoma tornado relief being blocked as punishment for Sandy. If Republicans want politics to be a zero-sum game, that's how we have to play it. To hell with all of them.

I wouldn't go that far, but if it were entered into the congressional record ever after as the "Jim Inhoef is a hypocritcal slut Act" I wouldn't complain.


The people of Oklahoma elected the pols that blocked Sandy relief.  They deserve to suffer for it.

Again, to hell with all of them.
2013-05-21 05:56:56 PM  
1 vote:

The Why Not Guy: Muta: I sooooo hope someone puts does one of those anonymous filibusters on the bill just for the lolz.

No. People need that help right now. We're better than Republicans. Let's stay that way.


Republicans need to experience negative consequences to their douchebaggery.  I fully approve of Oklahoma tornado relief being blocked as punishment for Sandy.  If Republicans want politics to be a zero-sum game, that's how we have to play it.  To hell with all of them.
2013-05-21 05:52:43 PM  
1 vote:
This is a great opportunity for New Jersey's senators to get even.  They should stand in front of the senate and say, "Despite the extremist and hateful attitudes of Oklahoma's senators directed at the people of the Northeast during their hour of need, we believe that all unfortunate people are deserving of help, so of course we will vote for a generous aid package for the victims of the recent Oklahoma tornado".

That'll teach 'em.

/Whom am I kidding?
2013-05-21 05:45:59 PM  
1 vote:
 

skullkrusher: The fact that the Red Cross has spent $200,000,000 on relief efforts, 1700 volunteers across 16 states and sheltered 11,000 people and STILL are working with 9,000 families to help them get back on their feet while the 12-12-12 concert raised $30,000,000 for relief not to mention all the smaller "capitalist" charities that have also taken part in the efforts allows me to say with a high degree of certainty that these "capitalist" charities have done more for Sandy relief than the well-meaning but far smaller and less well funded, disorganized "leftist" efforts.


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2013-05-21 05:45:26 PM  
1 vote:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I'm not calling the people who need help moochers, that's you, I'm saying that local government in connection with average citizens are the primary and best way to handle these things.


Called on your bullshiat, and you try to put it on me? I don't think so. In every post you've been smugly patting yourself and your locale on the back with being so much better than those East Coast liberals living in filth until the feds came to bail them out. FOAD, and EABOD while you're at it.

Look, pardner, local efforts are fine and dandy, but the whole point of a disaster is that it's bigger than one community can deal with. That's what government is for--to concentrate capital and funds to a level unavailable by any individual entity. And, like it or not, United Equipment isn't gonna run their earth movers for long without some kind of help, either in money, fuel or relief. I'll gladly help them out with my tax dollars. Just make sure you're well out of the way so you don't accidentally receive any help from a liberal.
2013-05-21 05:43:48 PM  
1 vote:

nocturnal001: Perhaps we should recite the parable about the grasshopper and the ant for these guys?

People love being all bootstrappy until they get themselves into trouble. Then suddenly it's gimme gimme gimme. I'd bet my retirement savings that there isn't more than a handful of those types of people out there who refused food stamps, or emergency health care, or unemployment checks when they found themselves in trouble.


its not that i am unsympathetic to their plight in general terms... its just hard to have them screaming about small government come election time or anytime we in the northeast would like to do something, and then screaming that i need to give them money to rebuild them and if i object (because they said my area wasn't good enough to get money when we had troubles) i'm the jerk. As far as i'm concerned, if they're so bootstrappy when a hurricane hits the coast, you can be just as bootstrappy when a tornado hits the plains. Otherwise why would they ever stop?
2013-05-21 05:31:21 PM  
1 vote:

skullkrusher: how so? It is certainly a most rare breed of person who will be directly responsible for saving 12 people's lives over the course of their own. So even if we do wind up killing off a few people who might save 25 people from a burning building or something similar, on net the needs of the many will have been outweighed by the needs of the few. Perhaps we could just breed specific people for such a purpose? See, the statement you're defending is incredibly dumb and, by association, your defense of it is also incredibly dumb but I guess we can pretend you won if it increases your utility.


You're ignoring the premise of the statement as generally presented by socialist theorists, which is that the many and the few or the one must all have roughly equal interest in the outcome for the statement to apply. You're presenting a situation where the interests in the  outcome are decidedly unequal, even on a hypothetical basis. Certain otherwise-unecessary death for one is not equivalent to the increased risk of death of another due to disease, or even of several others. There are always going to be organs available from death due to mischance that don't require deliberately murdering someone; it's riskier, but not a guaranteed death sentence.

Even still there have been cases where people have made that choice, as when one soldier jumps on a grenade, guaranteeing his own death to spare his compatriots - an action which is perfectly sensible from a utilitarian perspective, but irrational from self-serving one.

So no, the statement is not incredibly dumb. It just isn't a simplistic talking point, and requires that the context in which it is presented not as what is effectively a strawman argument. Unequal interests in the outcomes mean a more complex analysis based on an elaboration of the basic concept is necessary - and utilitarianism does allow for that. Note that I am not myself a utilitarian, but you are nonetheless misrepresenting the philosophy in a much too simplistic fashion.
2013-05-21 05:25:27 PM  
1 vote:

tlchwi02: ItchyMcDoogle: With all that said the people of Oklahoma deserve every bit of help from the Govt and everyone. Just because they have a bunch of GOP cockbags representing them in Washington is no reason to let them suffer at all. Even though I really really doubt it I do hope that the Senators who cut and tried to deny funding for Sandy see how hypocritical they are when the vote for funds to help the people of Oklahoma

i disagree with that. They vote every year to try and make it so the government isn't there to help them, then they come crying for a hand out everytime something happens and the rest of us dig in and help. I say this time, we don't. If you have a spoiled child, you dont keep rewarding their bad behavior. these people are spoiled children. If they had to reap what they sowed, maybe they'd stop sowing it


Perhaps we should recite the parable about the grasshopper and the ant for these guys?

People love being all bootstrappy until they get themselves into trouble.  Then suddenly it's gimme gimme gimme. I'd bet my retirement savings that there isn't more than a handful of those types of people out there who refused food stamps, or emergency health care, or unemployment checks when they found themselves in trouble.
2013-05-21 05:21:55 PM  
1 vote:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: But when you have people trapped in a building and the local Ace Hardware has a load of shovels and pickaxes the math becomes very simple


Here's a case in point: I'm sure this works wonders for a single-story building surrounded by lots of land. But try digging people out of a collapsed multi-story urban apartment building with shovels and pickaxes and get back to me.
2013-05-21 05:01:54 PM  
1 vote:
Fark off you welfare-state asshole. The libruls in the Northeast are tired of funding your tornado and hurricane relief efforts and paying more taxes than they get back, only to be kicked in the face the one farking time in ages they needed help.

http://underthemountainbunker.com/2013/02/28/24-hour-warning-by-the- wa y-red-states-take-in-more-federal-money-than-they-pay-in-taxes/
2013-05-21 04:52:10 PM  
1 vote:
www.nasa.gov

From NASA - http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hurricanes/archives/2012/h2012_Sand y .html

Early in the morning on October 25, 2012, the Suomi NPP satellite passed over Hurricane Sandy after it made landfall over Cuba and Jamaica, capturing this highly detailed infrared imagery, showing areas of deep convection around the central eye. Besides the highly detailed infrared imagery, the satellite's day night band captured detailed visible-like imagery of the cloud tops, along with the city lights of Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands.
2013-05-21 04:47:24 PM  
1 vote:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: ItchyMcDoogle: I hear this argument all the time from my GOP and Libertarian friends. Esp on health care. Oh the community will help! churches, corporations won't let people suffer. Cooperations are better at running things then the government.

All I have to say to them is Put up or shut up. Show me where that has happened on a mass scale. Show me where churches and or corporations pay for medical treatments for cancer patients without insurance and help rebuild with no profit to think about.

What comes back every time is * Crickets * or Fark you commie lib.


During the last "great one" I was living in Norman Oklahoma so this is a first hand eye witness account. When you say "the government" I'm going to break this up into two categories: local and Federal. Local was excellent! On the job getting things done. Federal? Showed up the next day to do press conferences.
How why was the local so excellent? Because local businesses threw open their doors and allowed the local people access to the tools, material and equipment needed to get the job done. Not to mention all the stupid SOBs like me that showed up ready to listen and do what we were told. And that's the model on how to get stuff done. It was that way in Midwest City and Moore and it was that way in Nashville. You only get into trouble when you wait on the federal guys to come save you ie:New Orleans and New York.


Really? So those businesses just gave away the tools and equipment, took the financial hit for the benefit of their neighbors? No? They got reimbursed by the federal government you say? Actually I doubt they did because I suspect you just made the whole story up. Because if you're going to be a greedy self-serving hypocrite, you might as well go whole hog and be a lying greedy self-serving hypocrite.
2013-05-21 04:45:12 PM  
1 vote:

skullkrusher: brigid_fitch: skullkrusher: A Dark Evil Omen: Leftist activists operating through the existing Occupy and other networks > FEMA > Red Cross > Everyone and everything else in the known universe > Capitalist anything

yeah you keep saying that. No one believes you.
Occupy Sandy did not do more good than the Red Cross and FEMA. It is simply not true. The only people who WOULD accept that are idiots and liars.

This is not to diminish the incredible generosity of the people involved with Occupy Sandy and other grassroots efforts - they gave out of the goodness of their hearts and made a difference in the places they served. It is to diminish bald faced liars like you.

Stop making a farking ass of yourself.

This.  I'm only a few miles from Manasquan, NJ, where Sandy completely flattened dozens of houses--not counting 3 blocks' worth that burned to the ground because the firetrucks couldn't get past the farking Atlantic Ocean streaming across the road.  I've been in a number of charity events since then, since I miraculously had zero damage.  In fact, I was in a charity event for Sandy just this past Saturday that was the culmination of months of planning and marketing, coupled with aggressive recruiting.  They got an estimated 1600-1900 motorcycles, at least another 1,000 people who came to the barbecue afterwards, and raised...$27,695.

If for some reason you think that's better than what FEMA could do, you're seriously deluded.

people of all sorts have been amazingly compassionate and giving, especially in the immediate aftermath. Their help and generosity of time and money was certainly appreciated by those impacted by the storm. They brightened many a day or at least made it seem less hopeless. Why someone would make laughable claims to build up that which doesn't need building up is baffling. Those lefties were awesome in what they did (and the righties who took part as well). It really should be enough to laud their efforts rather than embarrass them ...


I know quite a few people involved in the Sandy relief efforts for Red Cross, FEMA, and Occupy.  All of them did good work.  To be frank, Sandy was a very well handled disaster, compared to the incredibly low bar that Bush set with Katrina.

I was at one point the safety director for all of the faith based relief groups for the entire Mississippi Gulf Coast after Katrina. I was there for 11 months, and have friends that are still down there.  Interestingly, I was a Republican back then, but no longer am.

Want to know why I left that party, and what the difference is between the parties, and the different types of relief groups?  Back in the days of Katrina, we had a party in power that believed that the federal government had no business conducting disaster relief.  So, they went out of their way to prove that point.  Unfortunately, MEMA and GOHSEP followed FEMA's lead, and were largely ineffectual due to their limited operating scope.

Due to the huge power vacuum left by having no federal or state effective coordination for relief efforts, chuckleheads like myself with almost no experience rose incredibly high in the ranks of the relief effort because no one else was doing the work.  It was very empowering for average volunteers, but very damaging to the long term relief effort.  Salvation Army and Red Cross also had very limited operating parameters (handing out food, first aid, temporary housing), that were very helpful in the immediate relief effort, but woefully inadequate for the rebuilding effort.

As a result, smaller, newer organizations leveraged meager budgets into much greater impact than the big dogs for Katrina.  Organizations like Hands On USA (now All Hands Volunteers), Burners Without Borders, Common Ground, Architecture for Humanity, and Can-do.org far outperformed organizations and federal agencies with budgets many orders of magnitude larger than theirs.

However, things have changed since then.

Obama, and the governors of the states such as New York and New Jersey, are eager to prove their competence.  The Red Cross and some of the larger groups have re-focused onto larger relief and rebuilding efforts.  FEMA coordinates effectively both governmental and NGO resources.  So, as a result, the little guys like Occupy and Hands On still had a great impact after Sandy, but not as markedly superior to the big boys.

TL:DR
You're kinda right, they all did great work, but under Obama FEMA is much more agile and effective than it was under Bush, and as a result many of the larger NGOs are more effective as well.
2013-05-21 04:38:49 PM  
1 vote:
skullkrusher:  note the use of quotes? Note the use of the word "capitalist" in the post to which I was responding, conflating non-"leftist" charitable institutions with "capitalism" ones? Done noting that? Now shut up

Noted. And no I don't see those quotes around leftist in the original post, or capitalist. you used those, positing the idea that the charities that donated were capitalist. And the Robin Hood Foundation is the polar opposite of what you tried to describe it as. The Red Cross is not a "capitalist" institution, FEMA isn't either, 12-12-12 was not a "capitalist" event, hell every volunteer that showed up was not engaging in a "capitalist" activity. It was a community of individuals, a society if you will, banding together, pooling their resources for the common good. So no, I won't shut up when you say something that stupid.
2013-05-21 04:30:30 PM  
1 vote:

steverockson: Don't get me wrong, they're both huge embarrassments (and I know Coburn personally, wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire), but Inhofe is probably the more dangerous of the two.


No contest, since Coburn isn't running for re-election.
2013-05-21 04:20:09 PM  
1 vote:

Granny_Panties: Liberals: The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one.

Republicans: Me. It's all about me.

I'll go ahead and post this twice in one day...


along those lines, I'll go ahead and post this, which sums up Tea Party ideology about discrimination:

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2013-05-21 04:19:29 PM  
1 vote:

skullkrusher: Zeppelininthesky: coeyagi: Zeppelininthesky: skullkrusher: A Dark Evil Omen: Leftist activists operating through the existing Occupy and other networks > FEMA > Red Cross > Everyone and everything else in the known universe > Capitalist anything

yeah you keep saying that. No one believes you.
Occupy Sandy did not do more good than the Red Cross and FEMA. It is simply not true. The only people who WOULD accept that are idiots and liars.

This is not to diminish the incredible generosity of the people involved with Occupy Sandy and other grassroots efforts - they gave out of the goodness of their hearts and made a difference in the places they served. It is to diminish bald faced liars like you.

Stop making a farking ass of yourself.

Just because *you* say this, does not make it true.

I would tend to agree. I am sure some facts and figures could be summoned to lend credence to one side of the argument or the other, but I sure as hell am not going to be bothered to track that sh*t.

$1.8 Billion in federal aid, and $450 million in private donations. The federal aid goes directly to the victims. Private donations sometimes do not.

oh, then clearly Occupy Sandy lead the way!

Good Lord. Farking D team out today


Is that your way of winning with an argument?
2013-05-21 04:18:40 PM  
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skullkrusher: ...12-12-12 concert raised $30,000,000 for relief not to mention all the smaller "capitalist" charities...... these "capitalist" charities have done more for Sandy relief than the well-meaning but far smaller and less well funded, disorganized "leftist" efforts.


You mean the 12-12-12 concert funded by the Robin Hood Foundation? Which is specifically dedicated to alleviating the problems caused by the poor? The organization the George Soros donated 50 million to? The charity? It's not "capitalistic", it's a freaking charity not interested in generating wealth for itself, but for fomenting social well being.  Do you even know what capitalism means?
2013-05-21 04:12:04 PM  
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coeyagi: Zeppelininthesky: skullkrusher: A Dark Evil Omen: Leftist activists operating through the existing Occupy and other networks > FEMA > Red Cross > Everyone and everything else in the known universe > Capitalist anything

yeah you keep saying that. No one believes you.
Occupy Sandy did not do more good than the Red Cross and FEMA. It is simply not true. The only people who WOULD accept that are idiots and liars.

This is not to diminish the incredible generosity of the people involved with Occupy Sandy and other grassroots efforts - they gave out of the goodness of their hearts and made a difference in the places they served. It is to diminish bald faced liars like you.

Stop making a farking ass of yourself.

Just because *you* say this, does not make it true.

I would tend to agree. I am sure some facts and figures could be summoned to lend credence to one side of the argument or the other, but I sure as hell am not going to be bothered to track that sh*t.


$1.8 Billion in federal aid, and $450 million in private donations. The federal aid goes directly to the victims. Private donations sometimes do not.
2013-05-21 04:05:49 PM  
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steverockson: It woudl be awesome if a Democratic senator put a hold on the Oklahoma tornado relief bill with the stipulation that if Inhofe get on his knees in front of the senate and beg forgiveness for being a complete asshole to the people in the Northeast that the bill would be allowed to pass.

/Infhofe is my senator.
//He's a complete embarrassment to the state.


WTF, your state elected the asshat...
2013-05-21 04:05:34 PM  
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pacified: Let the free market deal with this.

Ronald Reagan told us long ago that the most dangerous 9 words in English are "I'm from the government and I'm here to help".

Private corporations and capitalists will help people in OK better than FEMA.


I'm sure the "contractors" who take their 25% cash and skip town are already there.
2013-05-21 04:05:16 PM  
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Muta: I sooooo hope someone puts does one of those anonymous filibusters on the bill just for the lolz.


No. People need that help right now. We're better than Republicans. Let's stay that way.
2013-05-21 03:54:58 PM  
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skullkrusher: coeyagi: skullkrusher: A Dark Evil Omen: Leftist activists operating through the existing Occupy and other networks > FEMA > Red Cross > Everyone and everything else in the known universe > Capitalist anything

yeah you keep saying that. No one believes you.
Occupy Sandy did not do more good than the Red Cross and FEMA. It is simply not true. The only people who WOULD accept that are idiots and liars.

This is not to diminish the incredible generosity of the people involved with Occupy Sandy and other grassroots efforts - they gave out of the goodness of their hearts and made a difference in the places they served. It is to diminish bald faced liars like you.

Stop making a farking ass of yourself.

Does anyone get the distinct impression that someone switched the Decaf and Regular at SK's office today?

nah, just got a kickass job offer today and I'm pumped and ready to fight. HUZZAH!

oh, and Omen deserves it


Are you admitting to Personal attacks/namecalling ?
2013-05-21 03:52:29 PM  
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The political reality is they have to be hypocritical assholes. We Oklahoman's demand both ideological purity and government money. Trust me, us liberals are simply reviled here. I mean loathed to an unhealthy and unbalanced degree in the state. But if you peak under the conservative dress, you don't have to stare to long to see that the state loves a liberal government spending money and dictating personal lives. And since the entire state seems to suffer from texas envy, we try to beat them at conservatism. Never mind the fact that we suckle the sweet government teet with the best of them. We just want to pretend we want what we say is true, even if we would screech if any actual budget balancing happened. Because prosperity Jesus, in his infinite financial wisdom, said so. mammon.
2013-05-21 03:49:12 PM  
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pacified: Let the free market deal with this.

Ronald Reagan told us long ago that the most dangerous 9 words in English are "I'm from the government and I'm here to help".

Private corporations and capitalists will help people in OK better than FEMA.


Yes, let's base our country around the gibberish spouted by a demented old traitor, and put our citizens' lives in the hands of organizations that care only about profit. What could POSSIBLY go wrong?
2013-05-21 03:48:48 PM  
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skullkrusher: A Dark Evil Omen: Leftist activists operating through the existing Occupy and other networks > FEMA > Red Cross > Everyone and everything else in the known universe > Capitalist anything

yeah you keep saying that. No one believes you.
Occupy Sandy did not do more good than the Red Cross and FEMA. It is simply not true. The only people who WOULD accept that are idiots and liars.

This is not to diminish the incredible generosity of the people involved with Occupy Sandy and other grassroots efforts - they gave out of the goodness of their hearts and made a difference in the places they served. It is to diminish bald faced liars like you.

Stop making a farking ass of yourself.


Does anyone get the distinct impression that someone switched the Decaf and Regular at SK's office today?
2013-05-21 03:44:37 PM  
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cbathrob: steverockson: It woudl be awesome if a Democratic senator put a hold on the Oklahoma tornado relief bill with the stipulation that if Inhofe get on his knees in front of the senate and beg forgiveness for being a complete asshole to the people in the Northeast that the bill would be allowed to pass.

/Infhofe is my senator.
//He's a complete embarrassment to the state.

That's saying something, considering who the other one is.


Don't get me wrong, they're both huge embarrassments (and I know Coburn personally, wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire), but Inhofe is probably the more dangerous of the two.
2013-05-21 03:38:45 PM  
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Because god hates the bible belt and its shiatty bible thumping residents and keeps trying to destroy it every farking year.
2013-05-21 03:38:33 PM  
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"My daughter shouldn't have her life ruined by one mistake...she's not like one of these dirty sluts."
2013-05-21 03:35:08 PM  
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Let the free market deal with this.

Ronald Reagan told us long ago that the most dangerous 9 words in English are "I'm from the government and I'm here to help".

Private corporations and capitalists will help people in OK better than FEMA.
2013-05-21 03:31:17 PM  
1 vote:
So, people will start taking on pork to this bill, just to troll them. Either that, or attach gun control to it. That would generate serious lulz.
2013-05-21 03:29:48 PM  
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Why do I get the feeling that any discretionary spending income given to OK in the form of disaster relief would immediately go towards building prison complexes?
2013-05-21 03:26:38 PM  
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Its only socialism when its not a corporate person or one of my constituents!
2013-05-21 03:26:26 PM  
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Pray to God that he'll come and fix the destruction he also brought upon you, you vile incestuous bag of sh*t.
2013-05-21 03:25:44 PM  
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Jim Imoffmymeds said what now?

*reads article*

Damn, what a hypocritical, self serving PoS.
2013-05-21 03:24:24 PM  
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Just like when Republicans are on welfare, social security, or medicare it's also COMPLETELY different.
2013-05-21 02:13:58 PM  
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Does submitter not understand what quote marks mean?
 
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