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(Salon)   Sen. Jim Inhofe: "The tornado aid which my state desperately needs is completely different than the hurricane aid in NJ and NY I voted against, because greedy Northeasterners and pork and futhermore comma"   (salon.com) divider line 299
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2013-05-21 04:03:26 PM
Jim, what's the problem?  I am sure a few million bake sales and magazine drives can solve this.
 
2013-05-21 04:04:43 PM

skullkrusher: neversubmit: skullkrusher: coeyagi: skullkrusher: A Dark Evil Omen: Leftist activists operating through the existing Occupy and other networks > FEMA > Red Cross > Everyone and everything else in the known universe > Capitalist anything

yeah you keep saying that. No one believes you.
Occupy Sandy did not do more good than the Red Cross and FEMA. It is simply not true. The only people who WOULD accept that are idiots and liars.

This is not to diminish the incredible generosity of the people involved with Occupy Sandy and other grassroots efforts - they gave out of the goodness of their hearts and made a difference in the places they served. It is to diminish bald faced liars like you.

Stop making a farking ass of yourself.

Does anyone get the distinct impression that someone switched the Decaf and Regular at SK's office today?

nah, just got a kickass job offer today and I'm pumped and ready to fight. HUZZAH!

oh, and Omen deserves it

Are you admitting to Personal attacks/namecalling ?

nope. Can't win with arguments so gonna try to play the mod game?


Nope not my game.
 
2013-05-21 04:05:16 PM

Muta: I sooooo hope someone puts does one of those anonymous filibusters on the bill just for the lolz.


No. People need that help right now. We're better than Republicans. Let's stay that way.
 
2013-05-21 04:05:32 PM
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The ad sense on this page is trolling us.  It's BIG GOVERNMENT AND BIG CAPITALISM!
 
2013-05-21 04:05:34 PM

pacified: Let the free market deal with this.

Ronald Reagan told us long ago that the most dangerous 9 words in English are "I'm from the government and I'm here to help".

Private corporations and capitalists will help people in OK better than FEMA.


I'm sure the "contractors" who take their 25% cash and skip town are already there.
 
2013-05-21 04:05:49 PM

steverockson: It woudl be awesome if a Democratic senator put a hold on the Oklahoma tornado relief bill with the stipulation that if Inhofe get on his knees in front of the senate and beg forgiveness for being a complete asshole to the people in the Northeast that the bill would be allowed to pass.

/Infhofe is my senator.
//He's a complete embarrassment to the state.


WTF, your state elected the asshat...
 
2013-05-21 04:06:00 PM

A Dark Evil Omen: Jackson Herring: it's weird to see one's catchphrase turned into a headline

You're an institution around here, man.

Not to be confused with Inhofe, who belongs in an institution.


So, in summary: Inhofe belongs inside you.
 
2013-05-21 04:07:44 PM

The Why Not Guy: Muta: I sooooo hope someone puts does one of those anonymous filibusters on the bill just for the lolz.

No. People need that help right now. We're better than Republicans. Let's stay that way.


Agreed.  I am sure they'll see the error of their ways by the Dems' generosity.

//but seriously, give them help, but don't expect the GOP sh*t show to ever stop
 
2013-05-21 04:09:48 PM

neversubmit: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: I already did the "hey guys, remember the people in Oklahoma are people, too, with families, and they need help" thing this morning.

So, for what it's worth (nothing) you have my blessing to say terrible things about the people that voted for these men, and how they deserve whatever misery comes their way.

No they don't deserve it sadly they got it anyway. Who knows maybe something good will come out of all of it at least that's what I tell myself so I can deal...


Hell, I know that. I'm just not going to be the guy saying we should be nice in this thread.
 
2013-05-21 04:10:03 PM

Zeppelininthesky: skullkrusher: A Dark Evil Omen: Leftist activists operating through the existing Occupy and other networks > FEMA > Red Cross > Everyone and everything else in the known universe > Capitalist anything

yeah you keep saying that. No one believes you.
Occupy Sandy did not do more good than the Red Cross and FEMA. It is simply not true. The only people who WOULD accept that are idiots and liars.

This is not to diminish the incredible generosity of the people involved with Occupy Sandy and other grassroots efforts - they gave out of the goodness of their hearts and made a difference in the places they served. It is to diminish bald faced liars like you.

Stop making a farking ass of yourself.

Just because *you* say this, does not make it true.


no, just because *I* said it doesn't make it true.

The fact that the Red Cross has spent $200,000,000 on relief efforts, 1700 volunteers across 16 states and sheltered 11,000 people and STILL are working with 9,000 families to help them get back on their feet while the 12-12-12 concert raised $30,000,000 for relief not to mention all the smaller "capitalist" charities that have also taken part in the efforts allows me to say with a high degree of certainty that these "capitalist" charities have done more for Sandy relief than the well-meaning but far smaller and less well funded, disorganized "leftist" efforts.
 
2013-05-21 04:10:03 PM
I'd like to congratulate Oklahoma on legalizing gay marriage. God only sends his wrath to states with legal gay marriage from what I've been told. Will done Oklahoma for getting with the modern times.
 
2013-05-21 04:12:04 PM

coeyagi: Zeppelininthesky: skullkrusher: A Dark Evil Omen: Leftist activists operating through the existing Occupy and other networks > FEMA > Red Cross > Everyone and everything else in the known universe > Capitalist anything

yeah you keep saying that. No one believes you.
Occupy Sandy did not do more good than the Red Cross and FEMA. It is simply not true. The only people who WOULD accept that are idiots and liars.

This is not to diminish the incredible generosity of the people involved with Occupy Sandy and other grassroots efforts - they gave out of the goodness of their hearts and made a difference in the places they served. It is to diminish bald faced liars like you.

Stop making a farking ass of yourself.

Just because *you* say this, does not make it true.

I would tend to agree. I am sure some facts and figures could be summoned to lend credence to one side of the argument or the other, but I sure as hell am not going to be bothered to track that sh*t.


$1.8 Billion in federal aid, and $450 million in private donations. The federal aid goes directly to the victims. Private donations sometimes do not.
 
2013-05-21 04:12:11 PM

coeyagi: Agreed. I am sure they'll see the error of their ways by the Dems' generosity.


Ha!  No!

This will never happen!

They will turn around and blame the Democrats for racking up more deficit spending.

Does anyone want to bet that none of the OK politicians will pull a Christie and walk around the devastated region for fear of looking like they're being friendly to Obama?
 
2013-05-21 04:13:44 PM
Just like every relief bill this one will have some pork and I just want to see every Republican vote against it because they stay true to your philosophy.

/lol
 
2013-05-21 04:14:12 PM

brigid_fitch: skullkrusher: A Dark Evil Omen: Leftist activists operating through the existing Occupy and other networks > FEMA > Red Cross > Everyone and everything else in the known universe > Capitalist anything

yeah you keep saying that. No one believes you.
Occupy Sandy did not do more good than the Red Cross and FEMA. It is simply not true. The only people who WOULD accept that are idiots and liars.

This is not to diminish the incredible generosity of the people involved with Occupy Sandy and other grassroots efforts - they gave out of the goodness of their hearts and made a difference in the places they served. It is to diminish bald faced liars like you.

Stop making a farking ass of yourself.

This.  I'm only a few miles from Manasquan, NJ, where Sandy completely flattened dozens of houses--not counting 3 blocks' worth that burned to the ground because the firetrucks couldn't get past the farking Atlantic Ocean streaming across the road.  I've been in a number of charity events since then, since I miraculously had zero damage.  In fact, I was in a charity event for Sandy just this past Saturday that was the culmination of months of planning and marketing, coupled with aggressive recruiting.  They got an estimated 1600-1900 motorcycles, at least another 1,000 people who came to the barbecue afterwards, and raised...$27,695.

If for some reason you think that's better than what FEMA could do, you're seriously deluded.


people of all sorts have been amazingly compassionate and giving, especially in the immediate aftermath. Their help and generosity of time and money was certainly appreciated by those impacted by the storm. They brightened many a day or at least made it seem less hopeless. Why someone would make laughable claims to build up that which doesn't need building up is baffling. Those lefties were awesome in what they did (and the righties who took part as well). It really should be enough to laud their efforts rather than embarrass them by associating yourself with them while spewing clearly propagandistic and absurd nonsense about the scale of what they did.
 
2013-05-21 04:15:09 PM

Zeppelininthesky: coeyagi: Zeppelininthesky: skullkrusher: A Dark Evil Omen: Leftist activists operating through the existing Occupy and other networks > FEMA > Red Cross > Everyone and everything else in the known universe > Capitalist anything

yeah you keep saying that. No one believes you.
Occupy Sandy did not do more good than the Red Cross and FEMA. It is simply not true. The only people who WOULD accept that are idiots and liars.

This is not to diminish the incredible generosity of the people involved with Occupy Sandy and other grassroots efforts - they gave out of the goodness of their hearts and made a difference in the places they served. It is to diminish bald faced liars like you.

Stop making a farking ass of yourself.

Just because *you* say this, does not make it true.

I would tend to agree. I am sure some facts and figures could be summoned to lend credence to one side of the argument or the other, but I sure as hell am not going to be bothered to track that sh*t.

$1.8 Billion in federal aid, and $450 million in private donations. The federal aid goes directly to the victims. Private donations sometimes do not.


oh, then clearly Occupy Sandy lead the way!

Good Lord. Farking D team out today
 
2013-05-21 04:15:15 PM
I didnt want to say anything about this yesterday because it was too soon. It might be still too soon But still the outright gall of these people is astounding. And grinds my gears to no end. There were people on on the east coast with no power, food or heat in the middle of farking winter because of these a-holes. Now they want the Government to do what they denied people on the east coast?

Reason #12427842 why ill never vote Republican in a million gawddamed years!

With all that said the people of Oklahoma deserve every bit of help from the Govt and everyone. Just because they have a bunch of GOP cockbags representing them in Washington is no reason to let them suffer at all. Even though I really really doubt it I do hope that the Senators who cut and tried to deny funding for Sandy see how hypocritical they are when the vote for funds to help the people of Oklahoma
 
2013-05-21 04:15:27 PM

Obama's Reptiloid Master: Citrate1007: TYPICAL CONSERVATIVE: All high and mighty fark you I've got mine, but these farkers are the first in line for hand-outs.

Perhaps we should chain this Inhofe and march him through the streets and let the children throw rotten melons at him. Among my people this is often the prelude to forcing him to fight some lumbering hellbeast in the gladiatorial arena.


I like this idea, but there's a small problem. You're going to have to train the lumbering hellbeasts carefully so that they don't eat the Republicans after the kill, a natural tendency among hellbeasts, especially when Republicans for the most part deceptively look so fleshy and tender to your average carnivorous hellbeast. After all, a properly trained adult lumbering hellbeast is expensive, and you wouldn't want them dying of acute food poisoning after every match. Maybe use only aggressive herbivorous hellbeasts?
 
2013-05-21 04:15:43 PM
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2013-05-21 04:15:45 PM

tripleseven: steverockson: It woudl be awesome if a Democratic senator put a hold on the Oklahoma tornado relief bill with the stipulation that if Inhofe get on his knees in front of the senate and beg forgiveness for being a complete asshole to the people in the Northeast that the bill would be allowed to pass.

/Infhofe is my senator.
//He's a complete embarrassment to the state.

WTF, your state elected the asshat...


Ok, let me rephrase that.  He's a compete embarrassment to ME!
/Would never, ever, vote for either one of them.
 
2013-05-21 04:16:42 PM
Liberals: The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one.

Republicans: Me. It's all about me.


I'll go ahead and post this twice in one day...
 
2013-05-21 04:17:56 PM

Granny_Panties: Liberals: The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one.

Republicans: Me. It's all about me.

I'll go ahead and post this twice in one day...


first of all, that's vulcans. Second of all, strict utilitarianism is an abomination.
 
2013-05-21 04:18:09 PM

KiltedBastich: Obama's Reptiloid Master: Citrate1007: TYPICAL CONSERVATIVE: All high and mighty fark you I've got mine, but these farkers are the first in line for hand-outs.

Perhaps we should chain this Inhofe and march him through the streets and let the children throw rotten melons at him. Among my people this is often the prelude to forcing him to fight some lumbering hellbeast in the gladiatorial arena.

I like this idea, but there's a small problem. You're going to have to train the lumbering hellbeasts carefully so that they don't eat the Republicans after the kill, a natural tendency among hellbeasts, especially when Republicans for the most part deceptively look so fleshy and tender to your average carnivorous hellbeast. After all, a properly trained adult lumbering hellbeast is expensive, and you wouldn't want them dying of acute food poisoning after every match. Maybe use only aggressive herbivorous hellbeasts?


Even carnivorous hellbeasts don't eat shiat.
 
2013-05-21 04:18:15 PM

skullkrusher: Zeppelininthesky: skullkrusher: A Dark Evil Omen: Leftist activists operating through the existing Occupy and other networks > FEMA > Red Cross > Everyone and everything else in the known universe > Capitalist anything

yeah you keep saying that. No one believes you.
Occupy Sandy did not do more good than the Red Cross and FEMA. It is simply not true. The only people who WOULD accept that are idiots and liars.

This is not to diminish the incredible generosity of the people involved with Occupy Sandy and other grassroots efforts - they gave out of the goodness of their hearts and made a difference in the places they served. It is to diminish bald faced liars like you.

Stop making a farking ass of yourself.

Just because *you* say this, does not make it true.

no, just because *I* said it doesn't make it true.

The fact that the Red Cross has spent $200,000,000 on relief efforts, 1700 volunteers across 16 states and sheltered 11,000 people and STILL are working with 9,000 families to help them get back on their feet while the 12-12-12 concert raised $30,000,000 for relief not to mention all the smaller "capitalist" charities that have also taken part in the efforts allows me to say with a high degree of certainty that these "capitalist" charities have done more for Sandy relief than the well-meaning but far smaller and less well funded, disorganized "leftist" efforts.


I doubt the victims care if the donations were coming from the left or right. It is not a contest. The federal money is welcome because it can go to places that really need the funding.
 
2013-05-21 04:18:39 PM

coeyagi: Agreed. I am sure they'll see the error of their ways by the Dems' generosity.


I don't expect them to. But they need the help, and that's all that matters right now.
 
2013-05-21 04:18:40 PM

skullkrusher: ...12-12-12 concert raised $30,000,000 for relief not to mention all the smaller "capitalist" charities...... these "capitalist" charities have done more for Sandy relief than the well-meaning but far smaller and less well funded, disorganized "leftist" efforts.


You mean the 12-12-12 concert funded by the Robin Hood Foundation? Which is specifically dedicated to alleviating the problems caused by the poor? The organization the George Soros donated 50 million to? The charity? It's not "capitalistic", it's a freaking charity not interested in generating wealth for itself, but for fomenting social well being.  Do you even know what capitalism means?
 
2013-05-21 04:18:48 PM

Zeppelininthesky: coeyagi: Zeppelininthesky: skullkrusher: A Dark Evil Omen: Leftist activists operating through the existing Occupy and other networks > FEMA > Red Cross > Everyone and everything else in the known universe > Capitalist anything

yeah you keep saying that. No one believes you.
Occupy Sandy did not do more good than the Red Cross and FEMA. It is simply not true. The only people who WOULD accept that are idiots and liars.

This is not to diminish the incredible generosity of the people involved with Occupy Sandy and other grassroots efforts - they gave out of the goodness of their hearts and made a difference in the places they served. It is to diminish bald faced liars like you.

Stop making a farking ass of yourself.

Just because *you* say this, does not make it true.

I would tend to agree. I am sure some facts and figures could be summoned to lend credence to one side of the argument or the other, but I sure as hell am not going to be bothered to track that sh*t.

$1.8 Billion in federal aid, and $450 million in private donations. The federal aid goes directly to the victims. Private donations sometimes do not.


Haha, that ranting idiot. It's not arguable that our comrades were the first ones in right alongside MSF before FEMA or the Red Cross ever had anyone in place. No, Occupy and anarchist networks are not the best at fundraising because we actually do work directly instead of hiring people who hire people who hire people who eventually are doing something real.

That's not to shiat on FEMA particularly, and I did call them out specifically as being near the top, but they're a slow-moving federal entity. There have been thousands of people who got help they needed when they needed it because activists were there when state agencies were no. That saved lives and homes, and a lot of them. For longer term stuff, FEMA is doing that job.

Anyway, <b>sk</b>'s just mad because I mostly ignore his crazy ex-boyfriend act.
 
2013-05-21 04:19:29 PM

skullkrusher: Zeppelininthesky: coeyagi: Zeppelininthesky: skullkrusher: A Dark Evil Omen: Leftist activists operating through the existing Occupy and other networks > FEMA > Red Cross > Everyone and everything else in the known universe > Capitalist anything

yeah you keep saying that. No one believes you.
Occupy Sandy did not do more good than the Red Cross and FEMA. It is simply not true. The only people who WOULD accept that are idiots and liars.

This is not to diminish the incredible generosity of the people involved with Occupy Sandy and other grassroots efforts - they gave out of the goodness of their hearts and made a difference in the places they served. It is to diminish bald faced liars like you.

Stop making a farking ass of yourself.

Just because *you* say this, does not make it true.

I would tend to agree. I am sure some facts and figures could be summoned to lend credence to one side of the argument or the other, but I sure as hell am not going to be bothered to track that sh*t.

$1.8 Billion in federal aid, and $450 million in private donations. The federal aid goes directly to the victims. Private donations sometimes do not.

oh, then clearly Occupy Sandy lead the way!

Good Lord. Farking D team out today


Is that your way of winning with an argument?
 
2013-05-21 04:20:09 PM

Granny_Panties: Liberals: The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one.

Republicans: Me. It's all about me.

I'll go ahead and post this twice in one day...


along those lines, I'll go ahead and post this, which sums up Tea Party ideology about discrimination:

i.qkme.me
 
2013-05-21 04:20:10 PM

flondrix: To The Escape Zeppelin!: Power lines are the responsibility of the power company.

And if the power company doesn't have the money, what then?  Oklahoma goes back to the 19th century?


Back?
 
2013-05-21 04:21:14 PM

Chewb1zz: skullkrusher: ...12-12-12 concert raised $30,000,000 for relief not to mention all the smaller "capitalist" charities...... these "capitalist" charities have done more for Sandy relief than the well-meaning but far smaller and less well funded, disorganized "leftist" efforts.

You mean the 12-12-12 concert funded by the Robin Hood Foundation? Which is specifically dedicated to alleviating the problems caused by the poor? The organization the George Soros donated 50 million to? The charity? It's not "capitalistic", it's a freaking charity not interested in generating wealth for itself, but for fomenting social well being.  Do you even know what capitalism means?


note the use of quotes? Note the use of the word "capitalist" in the post to which I was responding, conflating non-"leftist" charitable institutions with "capitalism" ones? Done noting that? Now shut up
 
2013-05-21 04:22:04 PM

skullkrusher: Zeppelininthesky: coeyagi: Zeppelininthesky: skullkrusher: A Dark Evil Omen: Leftist activists operating through the existing Occupy and other networks > FEMA > Red Cross > Everyone and everything else in the known universe > Capitalist anything

yeah you keep saying that. No one believes you.
Occupy Sandy did not do more good than the Red Cross and FEMA. It is simply not true. The only people who WOULD accept that are idiots and liars.

This is not to diminish the incredible generosity of the people involved with Occupy Sandy and other grassroots efforts - they gave out of the goodness of their hearts and made a difference in the places they served. It is to diminish bald faced liars like you.

Stop making a farking ass of yourself.

Just because *you* say this, does not make it true.

I would tend to agree. I am sure some facts and figures could be summoned to lend credence to one side of the argument or the other, but I sure as hell am not going to be bothered to track that sh*t.

$1.8 Billion in federal aid, and $450 million in private donations. The federal aid goes directly to the victims. Private donations sometimes do not.

oh, then clearly Occupy Sandy lead the way!

Good Lord. Farking D team out today


It is nice that Republicans are more worried about politics and how this will make them look good, than actually doing something to fix the problem.
 
2013-05-21 04:22:27 PM

skullkrusher: Granny_Panties: Liberals: The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one.

Republicans: Me. It's all about me.

I'll go ahead and post this twice in one day...

first of all, that's vulcans. Second of all, strict utilitarianism is an abomination.


You are the one that brought strict utilitarianism in to it. Are you having an argument with yourself?
 
2013-05-21 04:22:48 PM

Zeppelininthesky: skullkrusher: Zeppelininthesky: skullkrusher: A Dark Evil Omen: Leftist activists operating through the existing Occupy and other networks > FEMA > Red Cross > Everyone and everything else in the known universe > Capitalist anything

yeah you keep saying that. No one believes you.
Occupy Sandy did not do more good than the Red Cross and FEMA. It is simply not true. The only people who WOULD accept that are idiots and liars.

This is not to diminish the incredible generosity of the people involved with Occupy Sandy and other grassroots efforts - they gave out of the goodness of their hearts and made a difference in the places they served. It is to diminish bald faced liars like you.

Stop making a farking ass of yourself.

Just because *you* say this, does not make it true.

no, just because *I* said it doesn't make it true.

The fact that the Red Cross has spent $200,000,000 on relief efforts, 1700 volunteers across 16 states and sheltered 11,000 people and STILL are working with 9,000 families to help them get back on their feet while the 12-12-12 concert raised $30,000,000 for relief not to mention all the smaller "capitalist" charities that have also taken part in the efforts allows me to say with a high degree of certainty that these "capitalist" charities have done more for Sandy relief than the well-meaning but far smaller and less well funded, disorganized "leftist" efforts.

I doubt the victims care if the donations were coming from the left or right. It is not a contest. The federal money is welcome because it can go to places that really need the funding.


gee, maybe you should talk to the guy who thinks it IS a contest - as opposed to me who notes the generosity of all those who gave time and money, large institutions and grassroots efforts alike, while keeping two feet in farking reality?
 
2013-05-21 04:23:33 PM

skullkrusher: Granny_Panties: Liberals: The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one.

Republicans: Me. It's all about me.

I'll go ahead and post this twice in one day...

first of all, that's vulcans. Second of all, strict utilitarianism is an abomination.


Are you saying we need a kinder, gentler utilitarianism?
 
2013-05-21 04:23:35 PM
www.nationalmemo.com
 
2013-05-21 04:23:50 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Does submitter not understand what quote marks mean?


subby is really ABC reporter Jonathan Karl?
 
2013-05-21 04:24:41 PM

A Dark Evil Omen: Zeppelininthesky: coeyagi: Zeppelininthesky: skullkrusher: A Dark Evil Omen: Leftist activists operating through the existing Occupy and other networks > FEMA > Red Cross > Everyone and everything else in the known universe > Capitalist anything

yeah you keep saying that. No one believes you.
Occupy Sandy did not do more good than the Red Cross and FEMA. It is simply not true. The only people who WOULD accept that are idiots and liars.

This is not to diminish the incredible generosity of the people involved with Occupy Sandy and other grassroots efforts - they gave out of the goodness of their hearts and made a difference in the places they served. It is to diminish bald faced liars like you.

Stop making a farking ass of yourself.

Just because *you* say this, does not make it true.

I would tend to agree. I am sure some facts and figures could be summoned to lend credence to one side of the argument or the other, but I sure as hell am not going to be bothered to track that sh*t.

$1.8 Billion in federal aid, and $450 million in private donations. The federal aid goes directly to the victims. Private donations sometimes do not.

Haha, that ranting idiot. It's not arguable that our comrades were the first ones in right alongside MSF before FEMA or the Red Cross ever had anyone in place. No, Occupy and anarchist networks are not the best at fundraising because we actually do work directly instead of hiring people who hire people who hire people who eventually are doing something real.

That's not to shiat on FEMA particularly, and I did call them out specifically as being near the top, but they're a slow-moving federal entity. There have been thousands of people who got help they needed when they needed it because activists were there when state agencies were no. That saved lives and homes, and a lot of them. For longer term stuff, FEMA is doing that job.

Anyway, <b>sk</b>'s just mad because I mostly ignore his crazy ex-boyfriend act.


ignore what I said earlier about the greater than, greater than. What I meant was something totally different because I am a liar who hates being called out on my bullshiat. As a result, I put people on ignore and pretend they are stalking me rather than what is actually happening.
 
2013-05-21 04:24:46 PM

Exception Collection: MrSteve007: One would think that in an area of the country dubbed "Tornado Alley" - that you guys would at least build elementary schools with basements or some form of a shelter, other than an interior hallway.

While folks lobby for gun legislation in this country in an attempt to prevent another Sandyhook - why aren't folks demanding a basic change to the way we design and build public schools - to prevent another Plaza Towers?

/oh, that's right - demanding better building codes for public structures isn't nearly as sexy as "assault" weapons.

There's only so much that can be designed for. Where do we draw the line - 50 year storm, 300, 700, 1700 year storm? (That's generally "probability of no more than one happening in the next...").

FYI, structural design for tornado shelters is based on a wind speed of 250 mph (160 psf, not including additional factors like surface roughness, gust effect or directionality factors). That's above the speeds seen yesterday (I think). Non-shelter buildings would only be designed for 120 mph, though.

Plaza Towers, however, was built 57 years ago. New codes did it no good, and because we let our infrastructure rot after the 50s and 60s it was never replaced. (I'd bet it was designed to last no more than 50 years; most stuff on the West coast is, and most of it is in a seventh decade.)

We need to invest in infrastructure. This time, let's keep it up to date shall we?


SOSHALISMS!!
 
2013-05-21 04:25:01 PM

skullkrusher: Chewb1zz: skullkrusher: ...12-12-12 concert raised $30,000,000 for relief not to mention all the smaller "capitalist" charities...... these "capitalist" charities have done more for Sandy relief than the well-meaning but far smaller and less well funded, disorganized "leftist" efforts.

You mean the 12-12-12 concert funded by the Robin Hood Foundation? Which is specifically dedicated to alleviating the problems caused by the poor? The organization the George Soros donated 50 million to? The charity? It's not "capitalistic", it's a freaking charity not interested in generating wealth for itself, but for fomenting social well being.  Do you even know what capitalism means?

note the use of quotes? Note the use of the word "capitalist" in the post to which I was responding, conflating non-"leftist" charitable institutions with "capitalism" ones? Done noting that? Now shut up


"Lefist" dollars are different than "capitalist" dollars?
 
2013-05-21 04:25:10 PM

Chewb1zz: You mean the 12-12-12 concert funded by the Robin Hood Foundation? Which is specifically dedicated to alleviating the problems caused by the poor? The organization the George Soros donated 50 million to? The charity? It's not "capitalistic", it's a freaking charity not interested in generating wealth for itself, but for fomenting social well being.  Do you even know what capitalism means?


Our friends on the Right think Teabaggers are a force for "social welfare" so clearly we're not all on the same page about what a charity is and what role it should play in society.
 
2013-05-21 04:26:23 PM

neversubmit: skullkrusher: Granny_Panties: Liberals: The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one.

Republicans: Me. It's all about me.

I'll go ahead and post this twice in one day...

first of all, that's vulcans. Second of all, strict utilitarianism is an abomination.

You are the one that brought strict utilitarianism in to it. Are you having an argument with yourself?


"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or that one" is a absolutist statement. If you subscribe to that, I encourage you to donate both lungs, heart, kidneys, liver, eyes and skin post haste so that no time would be wasted in serving the needs of the many.
 
2013-05-21 04:26:26 PM

skullkrusher: ignore what I said earlier about the greater than, greater than. What I meant was something totally different because I am a liar who hates being called out on my bullshiat. As a result, I put people on ignore and pretend they are stalking me rather than what is actually happening.


Someone broke this Republican, can someone take him to the repair center?
 
2013-05-21 04:26:28 PM

Granny_Panties: Liberals: The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one.

Republicans: Me. It's all about me.

I'll go ahead and post this twice in one day...


So, the Democrats are Spock, and the Republicans are Harry Mudd?
 
2013-05-21 04:26:49 PM

Hobodeluxe: subby is really ABC reporter Jonathan Karl?


Have we seen them in a room together?!
 
2013-05-21 04:26:57 PM

skullkrusher: Zeppelininthesky: skullkrusher: Zeppelininthesky: skullkrusher: A Dark Evil Omen: Leftist activists operating through the existing Occupy and other networks > FEMA > Red Cross > Everyone and everything else in the known universe > Capitalist anything

yeah you keep saying that. No one believes you.
Occupy Sandy did not do more good than the Red Cross and FEMA. It is simply not true. The only people who WOULD accept that are idiots and liars.

This is not to diminish the incredible generosity of the people involved with Occupy Sandy and other grassroots efforts - they gave out of the goodness of their hearts and made a difference in the places they served. It is to diminish bald faced liars like you.

Stop making a farking ass of yourself.

Just because *you* say this, does not make it true.

no, just because *I* said it doesn't make it true.

The fact that the Red Cross has spent $200,000,000 on relief efforts, 1700 volunteers across 16 states and sheltered 11,000 people and STILL are working with 9,000 families to help them get back on their feet while the 12-12-12 concert raised $30,000,000 for relief not to mention all the smaller "capitalist" charities that have also taken part in the efforts allows me to say with a high degree of certainty that these "capitalist" charities have done more for Sandy relief than the well-meaning but far smaller and less well funded, disorganized "leftist" efforts.

I doubt the victims care if the donations were coming from the left or right. It is not a contest. The federal money is welcome because it can go to places that really need the funding.

gee, maybe you should talk to the guy who thinks it IS a contest - as opposed to me who notes the generosity of all those who gave time and money, large institutions and grassroots efforts alike, while keeping two feet in farking reality?


You are the one making an unfair comparison and acting like it is a contest.
 
2013-05-21 04:27:38 PM

pacified: Let the free market deal with this.

Ronald Reagan told us long ago that the most dangerous 9 words in English are "I'm from the government and I'm here to help".

Private corporations and capitalists will help people in OK better than FEMA.


I hear this argument all the time from my GOP and Libertarian friends. Esp on health care.  Oh the community will help! churches, corporations won't let people suffer. Cooperations are better at running things then the government.

All I have to say to them is Put up or shut up. Show me where that has happened on a mass scale. Show me where churches and or corporations pay for medical treatments for cancer patients without insurance and help rebuild with no profit to think about.

What comes back every time is  * Crickets * or Fark you commie lib.
 
2013-05-21 04:28:18 PM

lockers: The political reality is they have to be hypocritical assholes. We Oklahoman's demand both ideological purity and government money.


To be fair, OK has always sucked and we've always known it, that's why we "gave" it to the Native Americans in the first place.  Of course we took it back but that's a longer story and I'm no historian on the West.  However, Oklahoma was designed to suck.  That you guys now want to out Texas Texas is so absurd it'd be laughable if it weren't also so sad.  It really is the shiatiest land we've got that I can think of.
 
2013-05-21 04:29:36 PM

ItchyMcDoogle: pacified: Let the free market deal with this.

Ronald Reagan told us long ago that the most dangerous 9 words in English are "I'm from the government and I'm here to help".

Private corporations and capitalists will help people in OK better than FEMA.

I hear this argument all the time from my GOP and Libertarian friends. Esp on health care.  Oh the community will help! churches, corporations won't let people suffer. Cooperations are better at running things then the government.

All I have to say to them is Put up or shut up. Show me where that has happened on a mass scale. Show me where churches and or corporations pay for medical treatments for cancer patients without insurance and help rebuild with no profit to think about.

What comes back every time is  * Crickets * or Fark you commie lib.


I think they miss the point that private companies need to make money.
 
2013-05-21 04:29:58 PM

Serious Black: There are several areas in the country where the ground will not allow people to build basements because it is too unstable. In particular, Oklahoma soil is mostly clay, which absorbs water and can quickly swell in size.


Interestingly, just a few minutes ago I heard a quote from someone who had the tornado go right over their house:

"That storm shelter was the best $2,000 I ever spent."

It seems like this location - storm shelters are pretty common. Especially considering Oklahoma has more storm shelters per capita than any other state. From the sound of it, many people in the path of this tornado were saved because of their storm cellar or shelter.

pacified: Since when is it the responsiblity of the government to tell people how to build their houses? Not very boot strappy. Free market, brother.


Good thing I didn't say anything about people's homes - just public buildings.
 
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