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(Salon)   Sen. Jim Inhofe: "The tornado aid which my state desperately needs is completely different than the hurricane aid in NJ and NY I voted against, because greedy Northeasterners and pork and futhermore comma"   (salon.com) divider line 299
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2013-05-21 02:13:58 PM  
Does submitter not understand what quote marks mean?
 
2013-05-21 02:17:20 PM  
Inhofe vs Coburn: FIGHT!
 
2013-05-21 02:23:51 PM  
Yeah, a tornado is completely different from a hurricane.
 
2013-05-21 02:26:26 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Does submitter not understand what quote marks mean?


His actual quote is even dumber.
 
2013-05-21 02:31:33 PM  
it's weird to see one's catchphrase turned into a headline
 
2013-05-21 02:43:45 PM  
Inhofe contended on Tuesday that the Hurricane Sandy relief bill was different because it was filled with pork. "They were getting things, for instance, that was supposed to be in New Jersey," he said on MSNBC. "They had things in the Virgin Islands. They were fixing roads there, they were putting roofs on houses in Washington, D.C. Everybody was getting in and exploiting the tragedy that took place. That won't happen in Oklahoma."

Hmmm... I wonder why this:

eoimages.gsfc.nasa.gov

Gets money over a wider area than this:

images.politico.com
 
2013-05-21 02:52:39 PM  
"Boo hoo!  They wanted to fix things and make them more storm-resistant in the Sandy Relief bill!  WASTE!  FRAUD!  PORK!"

Be careful when you vote for "bootstraps," Okies, because you're either going to get the shaft or a fraud.
 
2013-05-21 03:20:54 PM  

factoryconnection: "Boo hoo!  They wanted to fix things and make them more storm-resistant in the Sandy Relief bill!  WASTE!  FRAUD!  PORK!"

Be careful when you vote for "bootstraps," Okies, because you're either going to get the shaft or a fraud.


Is this an appropriate place for the "Why not both?" meme?
 
2013-05-21 03:22:20 PM  

Jackson Herring: it's weird to see one's catchphrase turned into a headline


Ha, I assumed it was your submission.

But yeah, fark this dipshiat.

Thankfully the people of Oklahoma can always rely on the superior morality of non-republicans.
 
2013-05-21 03:23:14 PM  
TYPICAL CONSERVATIVE: All high and mighty fark you I've got mine, but these farkers are the first in line for hand-outs.
 
2013-05-21 03:24:11 PM  
this again?
 
2013-05-21 03:24:24 PM  
Just like when Republicans are on welfare, social security, or medicare it's also COMPLETELY different.
 
2013-05-21 03:24:59 PM  
farm5.static.flickr.com
 
2013-05-21 03:25:20 PM  
It's too bad the farking tornado didn't suck him out into space.

First to biatch about aid for others, first to demand handouts for himself.

So, typical GOP behavior then.
 
2013-05-21 03:25:25 PM  
So what of this Virgin Islands pork he mentioned?
Also, who put all the pork in Sandy*?

*relief bill, that is.


/wiiiiiiink
 
2013-05-21 03:25:44 PM  
Jim Imoffmymeds said what now?

*reads article*

Damn, what a hypocritical, self serving PoS.
 
2013-05-21 03:25:50 PM  
Christ, what an asshole.
 
2013-05-21 03:25:52 PM  
I sooooo hope someone puts does one of those anonymous filibusters on the bill just for the lolz.
 
2013-05-21 03:26:26 PM  
Pray to God that he'll come and fix the destruction he also brought upon you, you vile incestuous bag of sh*t.
 
2013-05-21 03:26:26 PM  
This is the age we're in. Politicizing natural disasters instead of thinking about the people that are suffering. Stay classy, congress.
 
2013-05-21 03:26:32 PM  

Corvus: Just like when Republicans are on welfare, social security, or medicare it's also COMPLETELY different.


Yep no one helped them when they were on food stamps and welfare and unemployment and medicaid and living in public housing and eating wic cheese.
 
2013-05-21 03:26:34 PM  

s2s2s2: So what of this Virgin Islands pork he mentioned?
Also, who put all the pork in Sandy*?

*relief bill, that is.


/wiiiiiiink


Danny Zuko?
 
2013-05-21 03:26:38 PM  
Its only socialism when its not a corporate person or one of my constituents!
 
2013-05-21 03:26:53 PM  
Since we have now heard from both Senate members from OK can we hear from some of the house members?

s8.postimg.org
 
2013-05-21 03:27:14 PM  
GOP: The party of fark everyone who is not a rich white male.
 
2013-05-21 03:27:26 PM  
I would like to deliver Mr. Inhofe 1 (one)

STUNT PUNT
 
2013-05-21 03:27:57 PM  

neongoats: Corvus: Just like when Republicans are on welfare, social security, or medicare it's also COMPLETELY different.

Yep no one helped them when they were on food stamps and welfare and unemployment and medicaid and living in public housing and eating wic cheese.


25.media.tumblr.com

//oblig
 
2013-05-21 03:29:31 PM  

sdd2000: Since we have now heard from both Senate members from OK can we hear from some of the house members?

[s8.postimg.org image 719x960]


Markwayne Mullin?  Was Dewayne getting boring?
 
2013-05-21 03:29:48 PM  
Why do I get the feeling that any discretionary spending income given to OK in the form of disaster relief would immediately go towards building prison complexes?
 
2013-05-21 03:30:10 PM  

Jackson Herring: it's weird to see one's catchphrase turned into a headline


I was wondering if you were subby but the lack of a fat dog reference in the headline made me think you weren't.
 
2013-05-21 03:30:13 PM  
Isn't this the same guy who said 'an act of terror' was different than a 'terrorist attack'?  Maybe he just doesn't know what 'different' means, and we've all been totally mistaking his positions.
 
2013-05-21 03:30:39 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Does submitter not understand what quote marks mean?


Not that you're wrong - subby is in fact part of the McJobs program - but it's ever so curious that you didn't bother to condemn the blatant hypocrisy of Inhofe.

If only there was a reason why....
 
2013-05-21 03:30:39 PM  
One would think that in an area of the country dubbed "Tornado Alley" - that you guys would at least build elementary schools with basements or some form of a shelter, other than an interior hallway.

While folks lobby for gun legislation in this country in an attempt to prevent another Sandyhook - why aren't folks demanding a basic change to the way we design and build public schools - to prevent another Plaza Towers?

i2.cdn.turner.com

/oh, that's right - demanding better building codes for public structures isn't nearly as sexy as "assault" weapons.
 
2013-05-21 03:31:17 PM  
So, people will start taking on pork to this bill, just to troll them. Either that, or attach gun control to it. That would generate serious lulz.
 
2013-05-21 03:32:56 PM  

Jackson Herring: it's weird to see one's catchphrase turned into a headline


You're an institution around here, man.

Not to be confused with Inhofe, who belongs in an institution.
 
2013-05-21 03:33:41 PM  

MrSteve007: One would think that in an area of the country dubbed "Tornado Alley" - that you guys would at least build elementary schools with basements or some form of a shelter, other than an interior hallway.

While folks lobby for gun legislation in this country in an attempt to prevent another Sandyhook - why aren't folks demanding a basic change to the way we design and build public schools - to prevent another Plaza Towers?

[i2.cdn.turner.com image 640x360]

/oh, that's right - demanding better building codes for public structures isn't nearly as sexy as "assault" weapons.


Well, from a political standpoint, Democrats wouldn't want Tea Partiers to continue living and voting.  Ok, that's not fair, but can denying services, processes and regulations from a people be considered Eugenics destined to help the human race?  Discuss...

//that baby's for you, skull
 
2013-05-21 03:34:08 PM  
If I were a senator I would add on to this relief bill so fast, their heads would spin! I would put an assault weapons ban in their relief bill and say:

t1.gstatic.com
 
2013-05-21 03:34:37 PM  
There's reason they call it the douchebowl!
 
2013-05-21 03:34:43 PM  

MrSteve007: While folks lobby for gun legislation in this country in an attempt to prevent another Sandyhook - why aren't folks demanding a basic change to the way we design and build public schools - to prevent another Plaza Towers?

[i2.cdn.turner.com image 640x360]

/oh, that's right - demanding better building codes for public structures isn't nearly as sexy as "assault" weapons.


Christ it's the day after, hop off the cross. Nothing makes people unsympathetic to your cause like piling on and crying about how everything that happens is REALLY an injustice about your pet peeve.
 
2013-05-21 03:35:08 PM  
Let the free market deal with this.

Ronald Reagan told us long ago that the most dangerous 9 words in English are "I'm from the government and I'm here to help".

Private corporations and capitalists will help people in OK better than FEMA.
 
2013-05-21 03:35:58 PM  

iron_city_ap: So, people will start taking on pork to this bill, just to troll them. Either that, or attach gun control to it. That would generate serious lulz.


I would die laughing.

"So, you say you want to provide relief to your community, but you'd also vote against this bill which would have mandatory background checks. Why do you both hate children suffering and want to cause the death of children?"
 
2013-05-21 03:36:04 PM  

Citrate1007: TYPICAL CONSERVATIVE: All high and mighty fark you I've got mine, but these farkers are the first in line for hand-outs.


Perhaps we should chain this Inhofe and march him through the streets and let the children throw rotten melons at him. Among my people this is often the prelude to forcing him to fight some lumbering hellbeast in the gladiatorial arena.
 
2013-05-21 03:36:13 PM  

MrSteve007: One would think that in an area of the country dubbed "Tornado Alley" - that you guys would at least build elementary schools with basements or some form of a shelter, other than an interior hallway.

While folks lobby for gun legislation in this country in an attempt to prevent another Sandyhook - why aren't folks demanding a basic change to the way we design and build public schools - to prevent another Plaza Towers?

[i2.cdn.turner.com image 640x360]

/oh, that's right - demanding better building codes for public structures isn't nearly as sexy as "assault" weapons.


Since when is it the responsiblity of the government to tell people how to build their houses?  Not very boot strappy.  Free market, brother.
 
2013-05-21 03:36:22 PM  

Muta: I sooooo hope someone puts does one of those anonymous filibusters on the bill just for the lolz.


They can filibuster anonymously?
 
2013-05-21 03:36:39 PM  
They should just truck in a big load of bootstraps
 
2013-05-21 03:36:44 PM  

InmanRoshi: Why do I get the feeling that any discretionary spending income given to OK in the form of disaster relief would immediately go towards building prison complexes?


That and those abortion clinic bulldozers they're so fond of. Bless their hearts.
 
2013-05-21 03:37:06 PM  

MrSteve007: One would think that in an area of the country dubbed "Tornado Alley" - that you guys would at least build elementary schools with basements or some form of a shelter, other than an interior hallway.

While folks lobby for gun legislation in this country in an attempt to prevent another Sandyhook - why aren't folks demanding a basic change to the way we design and build public schools - to prevent another Plaza Towers?

[i2.cdn.turner.com image 640x360]

/oh, that's right - demanding better building codes for public structures isn't nearly as sexy as "assault" weapons.


There are several areas in the country where the ground will not allow people to build basements because it is too unstable. In particular, Oklahoma soil is mostly clay, which absorbs water and can quickly swell in size.
 
2013-05-21 03:37:32 PM  

pacified: Let the free market deal with this.

Ronald Reagan told us long ago that the most dangerous 9 words in English are "I'm from the government and I'm here to help".

Private corporations and capitalists will help people in OK better than FEMA.


Clearly!

Much like in the northeast after Sandy, it's already shaping up like:

Leftist activists operating through the existing Occupy and other networks > FEMA > Red Cross > Everyone and everything else in the known universe > Capitalist anything
 
2013-05-21 03:37:37 PM  
Can I just say that I'm gonna open my wallet for the poor farkers in Moore who got their houses razed by a giant wind lawnmower? Even though I live in Boston, the libbiest libby city that ever libbed a lib? And do you know why that is? BECAUSE IT'S THE FARKING UNITED STATES AND WE LOOK AFTER OUR OWN, MOTHERFARKER!

Fark these farksticks in the farking ass.
 
2013-05-21 03:37:49 PM  

pacified: Let the free market deal with this.

Ronald Reagan told us long ago that the most dangerous 9 words in English are "I'm from the government and I'm here to help".

Private corporations and capitalists will help people in OK better than FEMA.


Insurance companies are presently lined up around the block to "help" people with their red ink stamp labeled "DENIED".
 
2013-05-21 03:37:50 PM  
i haven't been paying attention to the news - am i correct to understand that a particularly fat dog landed on oklahoma?
 
2013-05-21 03:38:06 PM  
It woudl be awesome if a Democratic senator put a hold on the Oklahoma tornado relief bill with the stipulation that if Inhofe get on his knees in front of the senate and beg forgiveness for being a complete asshole to the people in the Northeast that the bill would be allowed to pass.

/Infhofe is my senator.
//He's a complete embarrassment to the state.
 
2013-05-21 03:38:33 PM  
"My daughter shouldn't have her life ruined by one mistake...she's not like one of these dirty sluts."
 
2013-05-21 03:38:45 PM  
Because god hates the bible belt and its shiatty bible thumping residents and keeps trying to destroy it every farking year.
 
2013-05-21 03:39:17 PM  

heap: i haven't been paying attention to the news - am i correct to understand that a particularly fat dog landed on oklahoma?


Mr. Herring, please report to thread 7760214. Your services are required.
 
2013-05-21 03:39:32 PM  

s2s2s2: So what of this Virgin Islands pork he mentioned?
Also, who put all the pork in Sandy*?

*relief bill, that is.


/wiiiiiiink


The Virgin Islands pork was in an initial version but not in the final legislation. The final legislation did include paying for some damages to Smithsonian museums in DC.
 
2013-05-21 03:40:03 PM  

MrSteve007: One would think that in an area of the country dubbed "Tornado Alley" - that you guys would at least build elementary schools with basements or some form of a shelter, other than an interior hallway.

While folks lobby for gun legislation in this country in an attempt to prevent another Sandyhook - why aren't folks demanding a basic change to the way we design and build public schools - to prevent another Plaza Towers?



/oh, that's right - demanding better building codes for public structures isn't nearly as sexy as "assault" weapons.


Because the federal government actually has the power to regulate firearm sales under the Commerce Clause, but has zero power to regulate local or state building codes?

Stupid meatsack hair creatures invent federalism and then wholly fail to apply it, except when it comes to taking slaves or forcing your females to breed.
 
2013-05-21 03:40:19 PM  

steverockson: It woudl be awesome if a Democratic senator put a hold on the Oklahoma tornado relief bill with the stipulation that if Inhofe get on his knees in front of the senate and beg forgiveness for being a complete asshole to the people in the Northeast that the bill would be allowed to pass.

/Infhofe is my senator.
//He's a complete embarrassment to the state.


That's saying something, considering who the other one is.
 
2013-05-21 03:40:30 PM  

sheep snorter: Because god hates the bible belt and its shiatty bible thumping residents and keeps trying to destroy it every farking year.


God and Santa Claus are doing a fundraiser in heaven right now to get them thumpers new trailers.  You... just shut up, libby meanie.
 
2013-05-21 03:40:38 PM  

flondrix: Muta: I sooooo hope someone puts does one of those anonymous filibusters on the bill just for the lolz.

They can filibuster anonymously?


The world's finest deliberative body!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senate_hold
 
2013-05-21 03:41:26 PM  
"Everybody was getting in and exploiting the tragedy that took place. That won't happen in Oklahoma."

The Oklahoma aid bill will contain exactly as much pork as congress chooses to put in it, just like any other bill.
 
2013-05-21 03:42:38 PM  

coeyagi: sheep snorter: Because god hates the bible belt and its shiatty bible thumping residents and keeps trying to destroy it every farking year.

God and Santa Claus are doing a fundraiser in heaven right now to get them thumpers new trailers.  You... just shut up, libby meanie.


Whaaat! Santa is dead?  But who will bring us presents this christmas? Damn it! I'll have to start my shoplifting early to make sure the kids don't find out Santa is freaking dead.
 
2013-05-21 03:43:06 PM  
I don't understand why federal money is needed for this at all. Surely the public buildings had insurance, so they will be rebuilt. If your house was destroyed and you don't have insurance you're an idiot with no foresight. Power lines are the responsibility of the power company. How much damage to public infrastructure can the tornado possibly have caused? They're destructive but it's very localized.

Not only should they not request federal money, they shouldn't receive it. I feel terrible for those who lost people, but it's not a federal emergency.
 
2013-05-21 03:43:54 PM  

Serious Black: MrSteve007: One would think that in an area of the country dubbed "Tornado Alley" - that you guys would at least build elementary schools with basements or some form of a shelter, other than an interior hallway.

While folks lobby for gun legislation in this country in an attempt to prevent another Sandyhook - why aren't folks demanding a basic change to the way we design and build public schools - to prevent another Plaza Towers?

[i2.cdn.turner.com image 640x360]

/oh, that's right - demanding better building codes for public structures isn't nearly as sexy as "assault" weapons.

There are several areas in the country where the ground will not allow people to build basements because it is too unstable. In particular, Oklahoma soil is mostly clay, which absorbs water and can quickly swell in size.


This article explains the problems with getting people underground in Oklahoma better than I could in two lines.
 
2013-05-21 03:44:24 PM  

A Dark Evil Omen: Leftist activists operating through the existing Occupy and other networks > FEMA > Red Cross > Everyone and everything else in the known universe > Capitalist anything


yeah you keep saying that. No one believes you.
Occupy Sandy did not do more good than the Red Cross and FEMA. It is simply not true. The only people who WOULD accept that are idiots and liars.

This is not to diminish the incredible generosity of the people involved with Occupy Sandy and other grassroots efforts - they gave out of the goodness of their hearts and made a difference in the places they served. It is to diminish bald faced liars like you.

Stop making a farking ass of yourself.
 
2013-05-21 03:44:24 PM  
QUESTION: Are the Republicans packing the Oklahoma aid bill (that doesn't exist yet) with $60 billion of pork that has nothing to do with emergency disaster relief?
 
2013-05-21 03:44:37 PM  

cbathrob: steverockson: It woudl be awesome if a Democratic senator put a hold on the Oklahoma tornado relief bill with the stipulation that if Inhofe get on his knees in front of the senate and beg forgiveness for being a complete asshole to the people in the Northeast that the bill would be allowed to pass.

/Infhofe is my senator.
//He's a complete embarrassment to the state.

That's saying something, considering who the other one is.


Don't get me wrong, they're both huge embarrassments (and I know Coburn personally, wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire), but Inhofe is probably the more dangerous of the two.
 
2013-05-21 03:45:04 PM  
If I ever acquire the ability to raise people from the dead, I'm going to bring Bruce Lee back to life, take him to Senator's Inhofe's house and tell him: "Jim Inhofe is the man who killed your master!"
 
2013-05-21 03:45:36 PM  

Serious Black: There are several areas in the country where the ground will not allow people to build basements because it is too unstable. In particular, Oklahoma soil is mostly clay, which absorbs water and can quickly swell in size.


Thank you for this.  I was wondering why they didn't make use of the school basement, on the assumption that all schools had basements.
 
2013-05-21 03:45:51 PM  
Red state?  No relief for you.  Not yours.
 
2013-05-21 03:46:04 PM  

To The Escape Zeppelin!: I don't understand why federal money is needed for this at all. Surely the public buildings had insurance, so they will be rebuilt. If your house was destroyed and you don't have insurance you're an idiot with no foresight. Power lines are the responsibility of the power company. How much damage to public infrastructure can the tornado possibly have caused? They're destructive but it's very localized.

Not only should they not request federal money, they shouldn't receive it. I feel terrible for those who lost people, but it's not a federal emergency.


1. Insurance often doesn't cover acts of God.

2. Even if it does, that's a lot of paperwork and litigation to go through, because insurance companies are that evil.

3. Infrastructure can handle small catastrophes, but when everything takes one in the face at once, it creates a cascading collapse that will require a massive effort to put right.

4. The federal government can speed this along by giving a massive influx of cash and labor power, drastically cutting recovery time and making sure the people don't suffer needlessly.
 
2013-05-21 03:46:33 PM  

SunsetLament: QUESTION: Are the Republicans packing the Oklahoma aid bill (that doesn't exist yet) with $60 billion of pork that has nothing to do with emergency disaster relief?


No, and they didn't for the Sandy relief bill.
 
2013-05-21 03:47:01 PM  

sheep snorter: coeyagi: sheep snorter: Because god hates the bible belt and its shiatty bible thumping residents and keeps trying to destroy it every farking year.

God and Santa Claus are doing a fundraiser in heaven right now to get them thumpers new trailers.  You... just shut up, libby meanie.

Whaaat! Santa is dead?  But who will bring us presents this christmas? Damn it! I'll have to start my shoplifting early to make sure the kids don't find out Santa is freaking dead.


Santa Claus is an interdimensional being that can travel from the Earthly plane to the Heavenly one, so please, don't get the hussies at Fox News in a fuss about this: Santa LIVES!
 
2013-05-21 03:48:36 PM  

s2s2s2: So what of this Virgin Islands pork he mentioned?


Are these so-called Virgin Islands anywhere near Whore Island?
 
2013-05-21 03:48:48 PM  

skullkrusher: A Dark Evil Omen: Leftist activists operating through the existing Occupy and other networks > FEMA > Red Cross > Everyone and everything else in the known universe > Capitalist anything

yeah you keep saying that. No one believes you.
Occupy Sandy did not do more good than the Red Cross and FEMA. It is simply not true. The only people who WOULD accept that are idiots and liars.

This is not to diminish the incredible generosity of the people involved with Occupy Sandy and other grassroots efforts - they gave out of the goodness of their hearts and made a difference in the places they served. It is to diminish bald faced liars like you.

Stop making a farking ass of yourself.


Does anyone get the distinct impression that someone switched the Decaf and Regular at SK's office today?
 
2013-05-21 03:48:59 PM  

To The Escape Zeppelin!: I don't understand why federal money is needed for this at all. Surely the public buildings had insurance, so they will be rebuilt. If your house was destroyed and you don't have insurance you're an idiot with no foresight. Power lines are the responsibility of the power company. How much damage to public infrastructure can the tornado possibly have caused? They're destructive but it's very localized.

Not only should they not request federal money, they shouldn't receive it. I feel terrible for those who lost people, but it's not a federal emergency.


Some insurance does not cover "Act of God".
 
2013-05-21 03:49:12 PM  

pacified: Let the free market deal with this.

Ronald Reagan told us long ago that the most dangerous 9 words in English are "I'm from the government and I'm here to help".

Private corporations and capitalists will help people in OK better than FEMA.


Yes, let's base our country around the gibberish spouted by a demented old traitor, and put our citizens' lives in the hands of organizations that care only about profit. What could POSSIBLY go wrong?
 
2013-05-21 03:49:46 PM  

coeyagi: skullkrusher: A Dark Evil Omen: Leftist activists operating through the existing Occupy and other networks > FEMA > Red Cross > Everyone and everything else in the known universe > Capitalist anything

yeah you keep saying that. No one believes you.
Occupy Sandy did not do more good than the Red Cross and FEMA. It is simply not true. The only people who WOULD accept that are idiots and liars.

This is not to diminish the incredible generosity of the people involved with Occupy Sandy and other grassroots efforts - they gave out of the goodness of their hearts and made a difference in the places they served. It is to diminish bald faced liars like you.

Stop making a farking ass of yourself.

Does anyone get the distinct impression that someone switched the Decaf and Regular at SK's office today?


nah, just got a kickass job offer today and I'm pumped and ready to fight. HUZZAH!

oh, and Omen deserves it
 
2013-05-21 03:50:57 PM  

skullkrusher: A Dark Evil Omen: Leftist activists operating through the existing Occupy and other networks > FEMA > Red Cross > Everyone and everything else in the known universe > Capitalist anything

yeah you keep saying that. No one believes you.
Occupy Sandy did not do more good than the Red Cross and FEMA. It is simply not true. The only people who WOULD accept that are idiots and liars.

This is not to diminish the incredible generosity of the people involved with Occupy Sandy and other grassroots efforts - they gave out of the goodness of their hearts and made a difference in the places they served. It is to diminish bald faced liars like you.

Stop making a farking ass of yourself.


Just because *you* say this, does not make it true.
 
2013-05-21 03:51:08 PM  
"I would never stuff a relief bill for my own state with pork the way I stuff relief bills for other states with pork!  That would be irresponsible!"
 
2013-05-21 03:51:27 PM  

Dog Welder: s2s2s2: So what of this Virgin Islands pork he mentioned?

Are these so-called Virgin Islands anywhere near Whore Island?


Whore Island?  What do they got there?

/Apes, but they're not so big.
 
2013-05-21 03:51:36 PM  
ok stop you are making me blush


i.imgur.com
 
2013-05-21 03:52:29 PM  
The political reality is they have to be hypocritical assholes. We Oklahoman's demand both ideological purity and government money. Trust me, us liberals are simply reviled here. I mean loathed to an unhealthy and unbalanced degree in the state. But if you peak under the conservative dress, you don't have to stare to long to see that the state loves a liberal government spending money and dictating personal lives. And since the entire state seems to suffer from texas envy, we try to beat them at conservatism. Never mind the fact that we suckle the sweet government teet with the best of them. We just want to pretend we want what we say is true, even if we would screech if any actual budget balancing happened. Because prosperity Jesus, in his infinite financial wisdom, said so. mammon.
 
2013-05-21 03:53:13 PM  

Zeppelininthesky: skullkrusher: A Dark Evil Omen: Leftist activists operating through the existing Occupy and other networks > FEMA > Red Cross > Everyone and everything else in the known universe > Capitalist anything

yeah you keep saying that. No one believes you.
Occupy Sandy did not do more good than the Red Cross and FEMA. It is simply not true. The only people who WOULD accept that are idiots and liars.

This is not to diminish the incredible generosity of the people involved with Occupy Sandy and other grassroots efforts - they gave out of the goodness of their hearts and made a difference in the places they served. It is to diminish bald faced liars like you.

Stop making a farking ass of yourself.

Just because *you* say this, does not make it true.


I would tend to agree. I am sure some facts and figures could be summoned to lend credence to one side of the argument or the other, but I sure as hell am not going to be bothered to track that sh*t.
 
2013-05-21 03:54:14 PM  
There may be stupider people in Congress, but no one out-sluts Jim Inhofe.
 
2013-05-21 03:54:58 PM  

skullkrusher: coeyagi: skullkrusher: A Dark Evil Omen: Leftist activists operating through the existing Occupy and other networks > FEMA > Red Cross > Everyone and everything else in the known universe > Capitalist anything

yeah you keep saying that. No one believes you.
Occupy Sandy did not do more good than the Red Cross and FEMA. It is simply not true. The only people who WOULD accept that are idiots and liars.

This is not to diminish the incredible generosity of the people involved with Occupy Sandy and other grassroots efforts - they gave out of the goodness of their hearts and made a difference in the places they served. It is to diminish bald faced liars like you.

Stop making a farking ass of yourself.

Does anyone get the distinct impression that someone switched the Decaf and Regular at SK's office today?

nah, just got a kickass job offer today and I'm pumped and ready to fight. HUZZAH!

oh, and Omen deserves it


Are you admitting to Personal attacks/namecalling ?
 
2013-05-21 03:55:34 PM  

To The Escape Zeppelin!: Power lines are the responsibility of the power company.


And if the power company doesn't have the money, what then?  Oklahoma goes back to the 19th century?
 
2013-05-21 03:57:06 PM  
I already did the "hey guys, remember the people in Oklahoma are people, too, with families, and they need help" thing this morning.

So, for what it's worth (nothing) you have my blessing to say terrible things about the people that voted for these men, and how they deserve whatever misery comes their way.
 
2013-05-21 03:57:45 PM  

skullkrusher: A Dark Evil Omen: Leftist activists operating through the existing Occupy and other networks > FEMA > Red Cross > Everyone and everything else in the known universe > Capitalist anything

yeah you keep saying that. No one believes you.
Occupy Sandy did not do more good than the Red Cross and FEMA. It is simply not true. The only people who WOULD accept that are idiots and liars.

This is not to diminish the incredible generosity of the people involved with Occupy Sandy and other grassroots efforts - they gave out of the goodness of their hearts and made a difference in the places they served. It is to diminish bald faced liars like you.

Stop making a farking ass of yourself.


This.  I'm only a few miles from Manasquan, NJ, where Sandy completely flattened dozens of houses--not counting 3 blocks' worth that burned to the ground because the firetrucks couldn't get past the farking Atlantic Ocean streaming across the road.  I've been in a number of charity events since then, since I miraculously had zero damage.  In fact, I was in a charity event for Sandy just this past Saturday that was the culmination of months of planning and marketing, coupled with aggressive recruiting.  They got an estimated 1600-1900 motorcycles, at least another 1,000 people who came to the barbecue afterwards, and raised...$27,695.

If for some reason you think that's better than what FEMA could do, you're seriously deluded.
 
2013-05-21 03:57:56 PM  

flondrix: Oklahoma goes back to the 19th century?


You mean more so?
 
2013-05-21 03:58:06 PM  

Jackson Herring: ok stop you are making me blush


LIBS LIBS EVERYWHERE LOADIN MY BILL WITH PORK
 
2013-05-21 03:58:51 PM  

MrSteve007: One would think that in an area of the country dubbed "Tornado Alley" - that you guys would at least build elementary schools with basements or some form of a shelter, other than an interior hallway.

While folks lobby for gun legislation in this country in an attempt to prevent another Sandyhook - why aren't folks demanding a basic change to the way we design and build public schools - to prevent another Plaza Towers?



/oh, that's right - demanding better building codes for public structures isn't nearly as sexy as "assault" weapons.


There's only so much that can be designed for. Where do we draw the line - 50 year storm, 300, 700, 1700 year storm? (That's generally "probability of no more than one happening in the next...").

FYI, structural design for tornado shelters is based on a wind speed of 250 mph (160 psf, not including additional factors like surface roughness, gust effect or directionality factors). That's above the speeds seen yesterday (I think). Non-shelter buildings would only be designed for 120 mph, though.

Plaza Towers, however, was built 57 years ago. New codes did it no good, and because we let our infrastructure rot after the 50s and 60s it was never replaced. (I'd bet it was designed to last no more than 50 years; most stuff on the West coast is, and most of it is in a seventh decade.)

We need to invest in infrastructure. This time, let's keep it up to date shall we?
 
2013-05-21 03:58:52 PM  
Look kids, stop picking on Uncle Jim.

Let's do a breakdown of this:

1) The Northeast (blue states) receives less federal funding than red states and therefore has PROVEN that they can get by with less federal spending on them, even though they are soulless Godless heathens without the least bit of work ethic.

2) The Red States receive more federal funding than the Northeast, which shows that they are dependent on federal spending and continually need it, even though they are God-fearing angels who really are bootstrappy but it's Fartbotox keeping them down...somehow.

So, there you have it, Red States need it because they have shown themselves to be deficient in self-sufficiency, despite their entire schtick of loving small government.  The Aristocrats.
 
2013-05-21 03:59:20 PM  
flondrix:

To The Escape Zeppelin!: Power lines are the responsibility of the power company.

And if the power company doesn't have the money, what then? Oklahoma goes back to the 19th century?


As someone who spent their time reading by hurricane lamp and shiatting in an outhouse after hurricane Agnes...

/ not *entirely* joking, but intended for humorous effect.
 
2013-05-21 03:59:22 PM  

Serious Black: There are several areas in the country where the ground will not allow people to build basements because it is too unstable. In particular, Oklahoma soil is mostly clay, which absorbs water and can quickly swell in size.


Not to mention that public schools, like most government buildings, generally get screwed on land choice.  I'm from Indiana, the older schools built before the 70's all had basements the newer ones just don't.  Hell, there was a special education facility in my county that had a hill built over it just to protect it from tornadoes.  This was before the integration push and things have changed since then but last I remember the building, still with hill on top, was purely administrative. (I can't remember the name of the building at the moment elm something I think.)

I once heard my dad, who was an elementary school principal at the time explain funding like this:  If we put seat belts in every school bus we have it would cost X amount of dollars and save approximately one child per year (I was 8 or 9 at the time, don't know if he was talking about the state or the nation).  The cost is prohibitive, inefficient, and no taxpayer would agree to it, unless you're the parent of that one child.  Same goes for basements and tornado proofing and lord knows how many other things.  The town of Moore just won the sucks to be you lottery that every district plays.
 
2013-05-21 04:00:00 PM  

Ayn Rand's Social Worker: [farm5.static.flickr.com image 500x375]


It's rare that I fav someone solely because of a username, so congrats on being the first to achieve that feat.  I lol'd at your pic, too
 
2013-05-21 04:00:22 PM  

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: I already did the "hey guys, remember the people in Oklahoma are people, too, with families, and they need help" thing this morning.

So, for what it's worth (nothing) you have my blessing to say terrible things about the people that voted for these men, and how they deserve whatever misery comes their way.


No they don't deserve it sadly they got it anyway. Who knows maybe something good will come out of all of it at least that's what I tell myself so I can deal...
 
2013-05-21 04:01:30 PM  
"There's always a lot of theater right before Christmas time... We shouldn't be talking about it right before Christmas" Link

We shouldn't be talking about this right before Memorial day.
 
2013-05-21 04:01:59 PM  

To The Escape Zeppelin!: I don't understand why federal money is needed for this at all. Surely the public buildings had insurance, so they will be rebuilt. If your house was destroyed and you don't have insurance you're an idiot with no foresight. Power lines are the responsibility of the power company. How much damage to public infrastructure can the tornado possibly have caused? They're destructive but it's very localized.

Not only should they not request federal money, they shouldn't receive it. I feel terrible for those who lost people, but it's not a federal emergency.


You have no concept of FEMA, or emergency aid. It's called the UNITED States of America. We are one country.

What do you think federal taxes and federal outlays are for? To line the pockets of Obama's buddies?
 
2013-05-21 04:03:25 PM  

neversubmit: skullkrusher: coeyagi: skullkrusher: A Dark Evil Omen: Leftist activists operating through the existing Occupy and other networks > FEMA > Red Cross > Everyone and everything else in the known universe > Capitalist anything

yeah you keep saying that. No one believes you.
Occupy Sandy did not do more good than the Red Cross and FEMA. It is simply not true. The only people who WOULD accept that are idiots and liars.

This is not to diminish the incredible generosity of the people involved with Occupy Sandy and other grassroots efforts - they gave out of the goodness of their hearts and made a difference in the places they served. It is to diminish bald faced liars like you.

Stop making a farking ass of yourself.

Does anyone get the distinct impression that someone switched the Decaf and Regular at SK's office today?

nah, just got a kickass job offer today and I'm pumped and ready to fight. HUZZAH!

oh, and Omen deserves it

Are you admitting to Personal attacks/namecalling ?


nope. Can't win with arguments so gonna try to play the mod game?
 
2013-05-21 04:03:26 PM  
Jim, what's the problem?  I am sure a few million bake sales and magazine drives can solve this.
 
2013-05-21 04:04:43 PM  

skullkrusher: neversubmit: skullkrusher: coeyagi: skullkrusher: A Dark Evil Omen: Leftist activists operating through the existing Occupy and other networks > FEMA > Red Cross > Everyone and everything else in the known universe > Capitalist anything

yeah you keep saying that. No one believes you.
Occupy Sandy did not do more good than the Red Cross and FEMA. It is simply not true. The only people who WOULD accept that are idiots and liars.

This is not to diminish the incredible generosity of the people involved with Occupy Sandy and other grassroots efforts - they gave out of the goodness of their hearts and made a difference in the places they served. It is to diminish bald faced liars like you.

Stop making a farking ass of yourself.

Does anyone get the distinct impression that someone switched the Decaf and Regular at SK's office today?

nah, just got a kickass job offer today and I'm pumped and ready to fight. HUZZAH!

oh, and Omen deserves it

Are you admitting to Personal attacks/namecalling ?

nope. Can't win with arguments so gonna try to play the mod game?


Nope not my game.
 
2013-05-21 04:05:16 PM  

Muta: I sooooo hope someone puts does one of those anonymous filibusters on the bill just for the lolz.


No. People need that help right now. We're better than Republicans. Let's stay that way.
 
2013-05-21 04:05:32 PM  
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The ad sense on this page is trolling us.  It's BIG GOVERNMENT AND BIG CAPITALISM!
 
2013-05-21 04:05:34 PM  

pacified: Let the free market deal with this.

Ronald Reagan told us long ago that the most dangerous 9 words in English are "I'm from the government and I'm here to help".

Private corporations and capitalists will help people in OK better than FEMA.


I'm sure the "contractors" who take their 25% cash and skip town are already there.
 
2013-05-21 04:05:49 PM  

steverockson: It woudl be awesome if a Democratic senator put a hold on the Oklahoma tornado relief bill with the stipulation that if Inhofe get on his knees in front of the senate and beg forgiveness for being a complete asshole to the people in the Northeast that the bill would be allowed to pass.

/Infhofe is my senator.
//He's a complete embarrassment to the state.


WTF, your state elected the asshat...
 
2013-05-21 04:06:00 PM  

A Dark Evil Omen: Jackson Herring: it's weird to see one's catchphrase turned into a headline

You're an institution around here, man.

Not to be confused with Inhofe, who belongs in an institution.


So, in summary: Inhofe belongs inside you.
 
2013-05-21 04:07:44 PM  

The Why Not Guy: Muta: I sooooo hope someone puts does one of those anonymous filibusters on the bill just for the lolz.

No. People need that help right now. We're better than Republicans. Let's stay that way.


Agreed.  I am sure they'll see the error of their ways by the Dems' generosity.

//but seriously, give them help, but don't expect the GOP sh*t show to ever stop
 
2013-05-21 04:09:48 PM  

neversubmit: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: I already did the "hey guys, remember the people in Oklahoma are people, too, with families, and they need help" thing this morning.

So, for what it's worth (nothing) you have my blessing to say terrible things about the people that voted for these men, and how they deserve whatever misery comes their way.

No they don't deserve it sadly they got it anyway. Who knows maybe something good will come out of all of it at least that's what I tell myself so I can deal...


Hell, I know that. I'm just not going to be the guy saying we should be nice in this thread.
 
2013-05-21 04:10:03 PM  

Zeppelininthesky: skullkrusher: A Dark Evil Omen: Leftist activists operating through the existing Occupy and other networks > FEMA > Red Cross > Everyone and everything else in the known universe > Capitalist anything

yeah you keep saying that. No one believes you.
Occupy Sandy did not do more good than the Red Cross and FEMA. It is simply not true. The only people who WOULD accept that are idiots and liars.

This is not to diminish the incredible generosity of the people involved with Occupy Sandy and other grassroots efforts - they gave out of the goodness of their hearts and made a difference in the places they served. It is to diminish bald faced liars like you.

Stop making a farking ass of yourself.

Just because *you* say this, does not make it true.


no, just because *I* said it doesn't make it true.

The fact that the Red Cross has spent $200,000,000 on relief efforts, 1700 volunteers across 16 states and sheltered 11,000 people and STILL are working with 9,000 families to help them get back on their feet while the 12-12-12 concert raised $30,000,000 for relief not to mention all the smaller "capitalist" charities that have also taken part in the efforts allows me to say with a high degree of certainty that these "capitalist" charities have done more for Sandy relief than the well-meaning but far smaller and less well funded, disorganized "leftist" efforts.
 
2013-05-21 04:10:03 PM  
I'd like to congratulate Oklahoma on legalizing gay marriage. God only sends his wrath to states with legal gay marriage from what I've been told. Will done Oklahoma for getting with the modern times.
 
2013-05-21 04:12:04 PM  

coeyagi: Zeppelininthesky: skullkrusher: A Dark Evil Omen: Leftist activists operating through the existing Occupy and other networks > FEMA > Red Cross > Everyone and everything else in the known universe > Capitalist anything

yeah you keep saying that. No one believes you.
Occupy Sandy did not do more good than the Red Cross and FEMA. It is simply not true. The only people who WOULD accept that are idiots and liars.

This is not to diminish the incredible generosity of the people involved with Occupy Sandy and other grassroots efforts - they gave out of the goodness of their hearts and made a difference in the places they served. It is to diminish bald faced liars like you.

Stop making a farking ass of yourself.

Just because *you* say this, does not make it true.

I would tend to agree. I am sure some facts and figures could be summoned to lend credence to one side of the argument or the other, but I sure as hell am not going to be bothered to track that sh*t.


$1.8 Billion in federal aid, and $450 million in private donations. The federal aid goes directly to the victims. Private donations sometimes do not.
 
2013-05-21 04:12:11 PM  

coeyagi: Agreed. I am sure they'll see the error of their ways by the Dems' generosity.


Ha!  No!

This will never happen!

They will turn around and blame the Democrats for racking up more deficit spending.

Does anyone want to bet that none of the OK politicians will pull a Christie and walk around the devastated region for fear of looking like they're being friendly to Obama?
 
2013-05-21 04:13:44 PM  
Just like every relief bill this one will have some pork and I just want to see every Republican vote against it because they stay true to your philosophy.

/lol
 
2013-05-21 04:14:12 PM  

brigid_fitch: skullkrusher: A Dark Evil Omen: Leftist activists operating through the existing Occupy and other networks > FEMA > Red Cross > Everyone and everything else in the known universe > Capitalist anything

yeah you keep saying that. No one believes you.
Occupy Sandy did not do more good than the Red Cross and FEMA. It is simply not true. The only people who WOULD accept that are idiots and liars.

This is not to diminish the incredible generosity of the people involved with Occupy Sandy and other grassroots efforts - they gave out of the goodness of their hearts and made a difference in the places they served. It is to diminish bald faced liars like you.

Stop making a farking ass of yourself.

This.  I'm only a few miles from Manasquan, NJ, where Sandy completely flattened dozens of houses--not counting 3 blocks' worth that burned to the ground because the firetrucks couldn't get past the farking Atlantic Ocean streaming across the road.  I've been in a number of charity events since then, since I miraculously had zero damage.  In fact, I was in a charity event for Sandy just this past Saturday that was the culmination of months of planning and marketing, coupled with aggressive recruiting.  They got an estimated 1600-1900 motorcycles, at least another 1,000 people who came to the barbecue afterwards, and raised...$27,695.

If for some reason you think that's better than what FEMA could do, you're seriously deluded.


people of all sorts have been amazingly compassionate and giving, especially in the immediate aftermath. Their help and generosity of time and money was certainly appreciated by those impacted by the storm. They brightened many a day or at least made it seem less hopeless. Why someone would make laughable claims to build up that which doesn't need building up is baffling. Those lefties were awesome in what they did (and the righties who took part as well). It really should be enough to laud their efforts rather than embarrass them by associating yourself with them while spewing clearly propagandistic and absurd nonsense about the scale of what they did.
 
2013-05-21 04:15:09 PM  

Zeppelininthesky: coeyagi: Zeppelininthesky: skullkrusher: A Dark Evil Omen: Leftist activists operating through the existing Occupy and other networks > FEMA > Red Cross > Everyone and everything else in the known universe > Capitalist anything

yeah you keep saying that. No one believes you.
Occupy Sandy did not do more good than the Red Cross and FEMA. It is simply not true. The only people who WOULD accept that are idiots and liars.

This is not to diminish the incredible generosity of the people involved with Occupy Sandy and other grassroots efforts - they gave out of the goodness of their hearts and made a difference in the places they served. It is to diminish bald faced liars like you.

Stop making a farking ass of yourself.

Just because *you* say this, does not make it true.

I would tend to agree. I am sure some facts and figures could be summoned to lend credence to one side of the argument or the other, but I sure as hell am not going to be bothered to track that sh*t.

$1.8 Billion in federal aid, and $450 million in private donations. The federal aid goes directly to the victims. Private donations sometimes do not.


oh, then clearly Occupy Sandy lead the way!

Good Lord. Farking D team out today
 
2013-05-21 04:15:15 PM  
I didnt want to say anything about this yesterday because it was too soon. It might be still too soon But still the outright gall of these people is astounding. And grinds my gears to no end. There were people on on the east coast with no power, food or heat in the middle of farking winter because of these a-holes. Now they want the Government to do what they denied people on the east coast?

Reason #12427842 why ill never vote Republican in a million gawddamed years!

With all that said the people of Oklahoma deserve every bit of help from the Govt and everyone. Just because they have a bunch of GOP cockbags representing them in Washington is no reason to let them suffer at all. Even though I really really doubt it I do hope that the Senators who cut and tried to deny funding for Sandy see how hypocritical they are when the vote for funds to help the people of Oklahoma
 
2013-05-21 04:15:27 PM  

Obama's Reptiloid Master: Citrate1007: TYPICAL CONSERVATIVE: All high and mighty fark you I've got mine, but these farkers are the first in line for hand-outs.

Perhaps we should chain this Inhofe and march him through the streets and let the children throw rotten melons at him. Among my people this is often the prelude to forcing him to fight some lumbering hellbeast in the gladiatorial arena.


I like this idea, but there's a small problem. You're going to have to train the lumbering hellbeasts carefully so that they don't eat the Republicans after the kill, a natural tendency among hellbeasts, especially when Republicans for the most part deceptively look so fleshy and tender to your average carnivorous hellbeast. After all, a properly trained adult lumbering hellbeast is expensive, and you wouldn't want them dying of acute food poisoning after every match. Maybe use only aggressive herbivorous hellbeasts?
 
2013-05-21 04:15:43 PM  
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2013-05-21 04:15:45 PM  

tripleseven: steverockson: It woudl be awesome if a Democratic senator put a hold on the Oklahoma tornado relief bill with the stipulation that if Inhofe get on his knees in front of the senate and beg forgiveness for being a complete asshole to the people in the Northeast that the bill would be allowed to pass.

/Infhofe is my senator.
//He's a complete embarrassment to the state.

WTF, your state elected the asshat...


Ok, let me rephrase that.  He's a compete embarrassment to ME!
/Would never, ever, vote for either one of them.
 
2013-05-21 04:16:42 PM  
Liberals: The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one.

Republicans: Me. It's all about me.


I'll go ahead and post this twice in one day...
 
2013-05-21 04:17:56 PM  

Granny_Panties: Liberals: The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one.

Republicans: Me. It's all about me.

I'll go ahead and post this twice in one day...


first of all, that's vulcans. Second of all, strict utilitarianism is an abomination.
 
2013-05-21 04:18:09 PM  

KiltedBastich: Obama's Reptiloid Master: Citrate1007: TYPICAL CONSERVATIVE: All high and mighty fark you I've got mine, but these farkers are the first in line for hand-outs.

Perhaps we should chain this Inhofe and march him through the streets and let the children throw rotten melons at him. Among my people this is often the prelude to forcing him to fight some lumbering hellbeast in the gladiatorial arena.

I like this idea, but there's a small problem. You're going to have to train the lumbering hellbeasts carefully so that they don't eat the Republicans after the kill, a natural tendency among hellbeasts, especially when Republicans for the most part deceptively look so fleshy and tender to your average carnivorous hellbeast. After all, a properly trained adult lumbering hellbeast is expensive, and you wouldn't want them dying of acute food poisoning after every match. Maybe use only aggressive herbivorous hellbeasts?


Even carnivorous hellbeasts don't eat shiat.
 
2013-05-21 04:18:15 PM  

skullkrusher: Zeppelininthesky: skullkrusher: A Dark Evil Omen: Leftist activists operating through the existing Occupy and other networks > FEMA > Red Cross > Everyone and everything else in the known universe > Capitalist anything

yeah you keep saying that. No one believes you.
Occupy Sandy did not do more good than the Red Cross and FEMA. It is simply not true. The only people who WOULD accept that are idiots and liars.

This is not to diminish the incredible generosity of the people involved with Occupy Sandy and other grassroots efforts - they gave out of the goodness of their hearts and made a difference in the places they served. It is to diminish bald faced liars like you.

Stop making a farking ass of yourself.

Just because *you* say this, does not make it true.

no, just because *I* said it doesn't make it true.

The fact that the Red Cross has spent $200,000,000 on relief efforts, 1700 volunteers across 16 states and sheltered 11,000 people and STILL are working with 9,000 families to help them get back on their feet while the 12-12-12 concert raised $30,000,000 for relief not to mention all the smaller "capitalist" charities that have also taken part in the efforts allows me to say with a high degree of certainty that these "capitalist" charities have done more for Sandy relief than the well-meaning but far smaller and less well funded, disorganized "leftist" efforts.


I doubt the victims care if the donations were coming from the left or right. It is not a contest. The federal money is welcome because it can go to places that really need the funding.
 
2013-05-21 04:18:39 PM  

coeyagi: Agreed. I am sure they'll see the error of their ways by the Dems' generosity.


I don't expect them to. But they need the help, and that's all that matters right now.
 
2013-05-21 04:18:40 PM  

skullkrusher: ...12-12-12 concert raised $30,000,000 for relief not to mention all the smaller "capitalist" charities...... these "capitalist" charities have done more for Sandy relief than the well-meaning but far smaller and less well funded, disorganized "leftist" efforts.


You mean the 12-12-12 concert funded by the Robin Hood Foundation? Which is specifically dedicated to alleviating the problems caused by the poor? The organization the George Soros donated 50 million to? The charity? It's not "capitalistic", it's a freaking charity not interested in generating wealth for itself, but for fomenting social well being.  Do you even know what capitalism means?
 
2013-05-21 04:18:48 PM  

Zeppelininthesky: coeyagi: Zeppelininthesky: skullkrusher: A Dark Evil Omen: Leftist activists operating through the existing Occupy and other networks > FEMA > Red Cross > Everyone and everything else in the known universe > Capitalist anything

yeah you keep saying that. No one believes you.
Occupy Sandy did not do more good than the Red Cross and FEMA. It is simply not true. The only people who WOULD accept that are idiots and liars.

This is not to diminish the incredible generosity of the people involved with Occupy Sandy and other grassroots efforts - they gave out of the goodness of their hearts and made a difference in the places they served. It is to diminish bald faced liars like you.

Stop making a farking ass of yourself.

Just because *you* say this, does not make it true.

I would tend to agree. I am sure some facts and figures could be summoned to lend credence to one side of the argument or the other, but I sure as hell am not going to be bothered to track that sh*t.

$1.8 Billion in federal aid, and $450 million in private donations. The federal aid goes directly to the victims. Private donations sometimes do not.


Haha, that ranting idiot. It's not arguable that our comrades were the first ones in right alongside MSF before FEMA or the Red Cross ever had anyone in place. No, Occupy and anarchist networks are not the best at fundraising because we actually do work directly instead of hiring people who hire people who hire people who eventually are doing something real.

That's not to shiat on FEMA particularly, and I did call them out specifically as being near the top, but they're a slow-moving federal entity. There have been thousands of people who got help they needed when they needed it because activists were there when state agencies were no. That saved lives and homes, and a lot of them. For longer term stuff, FEMA is doing that job.

Anyway, <b>sk</b>'s just mad because I mostly ignore his crazy ex-boyfriend act.
 
2013-05-21 04:19:29 PM  

skullkrusher: Zeppelininthesky: coeyagi: Zeppelininthesky: skullkrusher: A Dark Evil Omen: Leftist activists operating through the existing Occupy and other networks > FEMA > Red Cross > Everyone and everything else in the known universe > Capitalist anything

yeah you keep saying that. No one believes you.
Occupy Sandy did not do more good than the Red Cross and FEMA. It is simply not true. The only people who WOULD accept that are idiots and liars.

This is not to diminish the incredible generosity of the people involved with Occupy Sandy and other grassroots efforts - they gave out of the goodness of their hearts and made a difference in the places they served. It is to diminish bald faced liars like you.

Stop making a farking ass of yourself.

Just because *you* say this, does not make it true.

I would tend to agree. I am sure some facts and figures could be summoned to lend credence to one side of the argument or the other, but I sure as hell am not going to be bothered to track that sh*t.

$1.8 Billion in federal aid, and $450 million in private donations. The federal aid goes directly to the victims. Private donations sometimes do not.

oh, then clearly Occupy Sandy lead the way!

Good Lord. Farking D team out today


Is that your way of winning with an argument?
 
2013-05-21 04:20:09 PM  

Granny_Panties: Liberals: The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one.

Republicans: Me. It's all about me.

I'll go ahead and post this twice in one day...


along those lines, I'll go ahead and post this, which sums up Tea Party ideology about discrimination:

i.qkme.me
 
2013-05-21 04:20:10 PM  

flondrix: To The Escape Zeppelin!: Power lines are the responsibility of the power company.

And if the power company doesn't have the money, what then?  Oklahoma goes back to the 19th century?


Back?
 
2013-05-21 04:21:14 PM  

Chewb1zz: skullkrusher: ...12-12-12 concert raised $30,000,000 for relief not to mention all the smaller "capitalist" charities...... these "capitalist" charities have done more for Sandy relief than the well-meaning but far smaller and less well funded, disorganized "leftist" efforts.

You mean the 12-12-12 concert funded by the Robin Hood Foundation? Which is specifically dedicated to alleviating the problems caused by the poor? The organization the George Soros donated 50 million to? The charity? It's not "capitalistic", it's a freaking charity not interested in generating wealth for itself, but for fomenting social well being.  Do you even know what capitalism means?


note the use of quotes? Note the use of the word "capitalist" in the post to which I was responding, conflating non-"leftist" charitable institutions with "capitalism" ones? Done noting that? Now shut up
 
2013-05-21 04:22:04 PM  

skullkrusher: Zeppelininthesky: coeyagi: Zeppelininthesky: skullkrusher: A Dark Evil Omen: Leftist activists operating through the existing Occupy and other networks > FEMA > Red Cross > Everyone and everything else in the known universe > Capitalist anything

yeah you keep saying that. No one believes you.
Occupy Sandy did not do more good than the Red Cross and FEMA. It is simply not true. The only people who WOULD accept that are idiots and liars.

This is not to diminish the incredible generosity of the people involved with Occupy Sandy and other grassroots efforts - they gave out of the goodness of their hearts and made a difference in the places they served. It is to diminish bald faced liars like you.

Stop making a farking ass of yourself.

Just because *you* say this, does not make it true.

I would tend to agree. I am sure some facts and figures could be summoned to lend credence to one side of the argument or the other, but I sure as hell am not going to be bothered to track that sh*t.

$1.8 Billion in federal aid, and $450 million in private donations. The federal aid goes directly to the victims. Private donations sometimes do not.

oh, then clearly Occupy Sandy lead the way!

Good Lord. Farking D team out today


It is nice that Republicans are more worried about politics and how this will make them look good, than actually doing something to fix the problem.
 
2013-05-21 04:22:27 PM  

skullkrusher: Granny_Panties: Liberals: The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one.

Republicans: Me. It's all about me.

I'll go ahead and post this twice in one day...

first of all, that's vulcans. Second of all, strict utilitarianism is an abomination.


You are the one that brought strict utilitarianism in to it. Are you having an argument with yourself?
 
2013-05-21 04:22:48 PM  

Zeppelininthesky: skullkrusher: Zeppelininthesky: skullkrusher: A Dark Evil Omen: Leftist activists operating through the existing Occupy and other networks > FEMA > Red Cross > Everyone and everything else in the known universe > Capitalist anything

yeah you keep saying that. No one believes you.
Occupy Sandy did not do more good than the Red Cross and FEMA. It is simply not true. The only people who WOULD accept that are idiots and liars.

This is not to diminish the incredible generosity of the people involved with Occupy Sandy and other grassroots efforts - they gave out of the goodness of their hearts and made a difference in the places they served. It is to diminish bald faced liars like you.

Stop making a farking ass of yourself.

Just because *you* say this, does not make it true.

no, just because *I* said it doesn't make it true.

The fact that the Red Cross has spent $200,000,000 on relief efforts, 1700 volunteers across 16 states and sheltered 11,000 people and STILL are working with 9,000 families to help them get back on their feet while the 12-12-12 concert raised $30,000,000 for relief not to mention all the smaller "capitalist" charities that have also taken part in the efforts allows me to say with a high degree of certainty that these "capitalist" charities have done more for Sandy relief than the well-meaning but far smaller and less well funded, disorganized "leftist" efforts.

I doubt the victims care if the donations were coming from the left or right. It is not a contest. The federal money is welcome because it can go to places that really need the funding.


gee, maybe you should talk to the guy who thinks it IS a contest - as opposed to me who notes the generosity of all those who gave time and money, large institutions and grassroots efforts alike, while keeping two feet in farking reality?
 
2013-05-21 04:23:33 PM  

skullkrusher: Granny_Panties: Liberals: The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one.

Republicans: Me. It's all about me.

I'll go ahead and post this twice in one day...

first of all, that's vulcans. Second of all, strict utilitarianism is an abomination.


Are you saying we need a kinder, gentler utilitarianism?
 
2013-05-21 04:23:35 PM  
www.nationalmemo.com
 
2013-05-21 04:23:50 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Does submitter not understand what quote marks mean?


subby is really ABC reporter Jonathan Karl?
 
2013-05-21 04:24:41 PM  

A Dark Evil Omen: Zeppelininthesky: coeyagi: Zeppelininthesky: skullkrusher: A Dark Evil Omen: Leftist activists operating through the existing Occupy and other networks > FEMA > Red Cross > Everyone and everything else in the known universe > Capitalist anything

yeah you keep saying that. No one believes you.
Occupy Sandy did not do more good than the Red Cross and FEMA. It is simply not true. The only people who WOULD accept that are idiots and liars.

This is not to diminish the incredible generosity of the people involved with Occupy Sandy and other grassroots efforts - they gave out of the goodness of their hearts and made a difference in the places they served. It is to diminish bald faced liars like you.

Stop making a farking ass of yourself.

Just because *you* say this, does not make it true.

I would tend to agree. I am sure some facts and figures could be summoned to lend credence to one side of the argument or the other, but I sure as hell am not going to be bothered to track that sh*t.

$1.8 Billion in federal aid, and $450 million in private donations. The federal aid goes directly to the victims. Private donations sometimes do not.

Haha, that ranting idiot. It's not arguable that our comrades were the first ones in right alongside MSF before FEMA or the Red Cross ever had anyone in place. No, Occupy and anarchist networks are not the best at fundraising because we actually do work directly instead of hiring people who hire people who hire people who eventually are doing something real.

That's not to shiat on FEMA particularly, and I did call them out specifically as being near the top, but they're a slow-moving federal entity. There have been thousands of people who got help they needed when they needed it because activists were there when state agencies were no. That saved lives and homes, and a lot of them. For longer term stuff, FEMA is doing that job.

Anyway, <b>sk</b>'s just mad because I mostly ignore his crazy ex-boyfriend act.


ignore what I said earlier about the greater than, greater than. What I meant was something totally different because I am a liar who hates being called out on my bullshiat. As a result, I put people on ignore and pretend they are stalking me rather than what is actually happening.
 
2013-05-21 04:24:46 PM  

Exception Collection: MrSteve007: One would think that in an area of the country dubbed "Tornado Alley" - that you guys would at least build elementary schools with basements or some form of a shelter, other than an interior hallway.

While folks lobby for gun legislation in this country in an attempt to prevent another Sandyhook - why aren't folks demanding a basic change to the way we design and build public schools - to prevent another Plaza Towers?

/oh, that's right - demanding better building codes for public structures isn't nearly as sexy as "assault" weapons.

There's only so much that can be designed for. Where do we draw the line - 50 year storm, 300, 700, 1700 year storm? (That's generally "probability of no more than one happening in the next...").

FYI, structural design for tornado shelters is based on a wind speed of 250 mph (160 psf, not including additional factors like surface roughness, gust effect or directionality factors). That's above the speeds seen yesterday (I think). Non-shelter buildings would only be designed for 120 mph, though.

Plaza Towers, however, was built 57 years ago. New codes did it no good, and because we let our infrastructure rot after the 50s and 60s it was never replaced. (I'd bet it was designed to last no more than 50 years; most stuff on the West coast is, and most of it is in a seventh decade.)

We need to invest in infrastructure. This time, let's keep it up to date shall we?


SOSHALISMS!!
 
2013-05-21 04:25:01 PM  

skullkrusher: Chewb1zz: skullkrusher: ...12-12-12 concert raised $30,000,000 for relief not to mention all the smaller "capitalist" charities...... these "capitalist" charities have done more for Sandy relief than the well-meaning but far smaller and less well funded, disorganized "leftist" efforts.

You mean the 12-12-12 concert funded by the Robin Hood Foundation? Which is specifically dedicated to alleviating the problems caused by the poor? The organization the George Soros donated 50 million to? The charity? It's not "capitalistic", it's a freaking charity not interested in generating wealth for itself, but for fomenting social well being.  Do you even know what capitalism means?

note the use of quotes? Note the use of the word "capitalist" in the post to which I was responding, conflating non-"leftist" charitable institutions with "capitalism" ones? Done noting that? Now shut up


"Lefist" dollars are different than "capitalist" dollars?
 
2013-05-21 04:25:10 PM  

Chewb1zz: You mean the 12-12-12 concert funded by the Robin Hood Foundation? Which is specifically dedicated to alleviating the problems caused by the poor? The organization the George Soros donated 50 million to? The charity? It's not "capitalistic", it's a freaking charity not interested in generating wealth for itself, but for fomenting social well being.  Do you even know what capitalism means?


Our friends on the Right think Teabaggers are a force for "social welfare" so clearly we're not all on the same page about what a charity is and what role it should play in society.
 
2013-05-21 04:26:23 PM  

neversubmit: skullkrusher: Granny_Panties: Liberals: The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one.

Republicans: Me. It's all about me.

I'll go ahead and post this twice in one day...

first of all, that's vulcans. Second of all, strict utilitarianism is an abomination.

You are the one that brought strict utilitarianism in to it. Are you having an argument with yourself?


"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or that one" is a absolutist statement. If you subscribe to that, I encourage you to donate both lungs, heart, kidneys, liver, eyes and skin post haste so that no time would be wasted in serving the needs of the many.
 
2013-05-21 04:26:26 PM  

skullkrusher: ignore what I said earlier about the greater than, greater than. What I meant was something totally different because I am a liar who hates being called out on my bullshiat. As a result, I put people on ignore and pretend they are stalking me rather than what is actually happening.


Someone broke this Republican, can someone take him to the repair center?
 
2013-05-21 04:26:28 PM  

Granny_Panties: Liberals: The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one.

Republicans: Me. It's all about me.

I'll go ahead and post this twice in one day...


So, the Democrats are Spock, and the Republicans are Harry Mudd?
 
2013-05-21 04:26:49 PM  

Hobodeluxe: subby is really ABC reporter Jonathan Karl?


Have we seen them in a room together?!
 
2013-05-21 04:26:57 PM  

skullkrusher: Zeppelininthesky: skullkrusher: Zeppelininthesky: skullkrusher: A Dark Evil Omen: Leftist activists operating through the existing Occupy and other networks > FEMA > Red Cross > Everyone and everything else in the known universe > Capitalist anything

yeah you keep saying that. No one believes you.
Occupy Sandy did not do more good than the Red Cross and FEMA. It is simply not true. The only people who WOULD accept that are idiots and liars.

This is not to diminish the incredible generosity of the people involved with Occupy Sandy and other grassroots efforts - they gave out of the goodness of their hearts and made a difference in the places they served. It is to diminish bald faced liars like you.

Stop making a farking ass of yourself.

Just because *you* say this, does not make it true.

no, just because *I* said it doesn't make it true.

The fact that the Red Cross has spent $200,000,000 on relief efforts, 1700 volunteers across 16 states and sheltered 11,000 people and STILL are working with 9,000 families to help them get back on their feet while the 12-12-12 concert raised $30,000,000 for relief not to mention all the smaller "capitalist" charities that have also taken part in the efforts allows me to say with a high degree of certainty that these "capitalist" charities have done more for Sandy relief than the well-meaning but far smaller and less well funded, disorganized "leftist" efforts.

I doubt the victims care if the donations were coming from the left or right. It is not a contest. The federal money is welcome because it can go to places that really need the funding.

gee, maybe you should talk to the guy who thinks it IS a contest - as opposed to me who notes the generosity of all those who gave time and money, large institutions and grassroots efforts alike, while keeping two feet in farking reality?


You are the one making an unfair comparison and acting like it is a contest.
 
2013-05-21 04:27:38 PM  

pacified: Let the free market deal with this.

Ronald Reagan told us long ago that the most dangerous 9 words in English are "I'm from the government and I'm here to help".

Private corporations and capitalists will help people in OK better than FEMA.


I hear this argument all the time from my GOP and Libertarian friends. Esp on health care.  Oh the community will help! churches, corporations won't let people suffer. Cooperations are better at running things then the government.

All I have to say to them is Put up or shut up. Show me where that has happened on a mass scale. Show me where churches and or corporations pay for medical treatments for cancer patients without insurance and help rebuild with no profit to think about.

What comes back every time is  * Crickets * or Fark you commie lib.
 
2013-05-21 04:28:18 PM  

lockers: The political reality is they have to be hypocritical assholes. We Oklahoman's demand both ideological purity and government money.


To be fair, OK has always sucked and we've always known it, that's why we "gave" it to the Native Americans in the first place.  Of course we took it back but that's a longer story and I'm no historian on the West.  However, Oklahoma was designed to suck.  That you guys now want to out Texas Texas is so absurd it'd be laughable if it weren't also so sad.  It really is the shiatiest land we've got that I can think of.
 
2013-05-21 04:29:36 PM  

ItchyMcDoogle: pacified: Let the free market deal with this.

Ronald Reagan told us long ago that the most dangerous 9 words in English are "I'm from the government and I'm here to help".

Private corporations and capitalists will help people in OK better than FEMA.

I hear this argument all the time from my GOP and Libertarian friends. Esp on health care.  Oh the community will help! churches, corporations won't let people suffer. Cooperations are better at running things then the government.

All I have to say to them is Put up or shut up. Show me where that has happened on a mass scale. Show me where churches and or corporations pay for medical treatments for cancer patients without insurance and help rebuild with no profit to think about.

What comes back every time is  * Crickets * or Fark you commie lib.


I think they miss the point that private companies need to make money.
 
2013-05-21 04:29:58 PM  

Serious Black: There are several areas in the country where the ground will not allow people to build basements because it is too unstable. In particular, Oklahoma soil is mostly clay, which absorbs water and can quickly swell in size.


Interestingly, just a few minutes ago I heard a quote from someone who had the tornado go right over their house:

"That storm shelter was the best $2,000 I ever spent."

It seems like this location - storm shelters are pretty common. Especially considering Oklahoma has more storm shelters per capita than any other state. From the sound of it, many people in the path of this tornado were saved because of their storm cellar or shelter.

pacified: Since when is it the responsiblity of the government to tell people how to build their houses? Not very boot strappy. Free market, brother.


Good thing I didn't say anything about people's homes - just public buildings.
 
2013-05-21 04:30:30 PM  

steverockson: Don't get me wrong, they're both huge embarrassments (and I know Coburn personally, wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire), but Inhofe is probably the more dangerous of the two.


No contest, since Coburn isn't running for re-election.
 
2013-05-21 04:31:26 PM  

flondrix: To The Escape Zeppelin!: Power lines are the responsibility of the power company.

And if the power company doesn't have the money, what then?  Oklahoma goes back to the 19th century?


You're telling me a utility company would spend the capital to build and maintain a vast infrastructure needed to service tens if not hundreds of thousands of clients and then not insure it?  Are the shareholders aware of this?
 
2013-05-21 04:31:38 PM  
"Everybody was getting in and exploiting the tragedy that took place."

He's just mad because of the dumb idea that the Obama/Christie photo-op sunk Romney.
 
2013-05-21 04:32:12 PM  

Zeppelininthesky: skullkrusher: Chewb1zz: skullkrusher: ...12-12-12 concert raised $30,000,000 for relief not to mention all the smaller "capitalist" charities...... these "capitalist" charities have done more for Sandy relief than the well-meaning but far smaller and less well funded, disorganized "leftist" efforts.

You mean the 12-12-12 concert funded by the Robin Hood Foundation? Which is specifically dedicated to alleviating the problems caused by the poor? The organization the George Soros donated 50 million to? The charity? It's not "capitalistic", it's a freaking charity not interested in generating wealth for itself, but for fomenting social well being.  Do you even know what capitalism means?

note the use of quotes? Note the use of the word "capitalist" in the post to which I was responding, conflating non-"leftist" charitable institutions with "capitalism" ones? Done noting that? Now shut up

"Lefist" dollars are different than "capitalist" dollars?


Perhaps I see the disconnect. He has referred to the Red Cross and other large charities as profit driven organizations trying to make a buck on human suffering in the past while making this very same dubious claim about how Occupy Sandy "lead the effort" in relief.  I see now that he did not explicitly do that in this case. He also bizarrely doesn't regard the charity work done by Occupy Sandy and other volunteers as "charity".

For reference:

http://www.fark.com/comments/7429849/80647562#c80647562
 
2013-05-21 04:32:15 PM  

skullkrusher: Granny_Panties: Liberals: The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one.

Republicans: Me. It's all about me.

I'll go ahead and post this twice in one day...

first of all, that's vulcans. Second of all, strict utilitarianism is an abomination.


That's in Leviticus, right?
 
2013-05-21 04:32:49 PM  

skullkrusher: neversubmit: skullkrusher: Granny_Panties: Liberals: The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one.

Republicans: Me. It's all about me.

I'll go ahead and post this twice in one day...

first of all, that's vulcans. Second of all, strict utilitarianism is an abomination.

You are the one that brought strict utilitarianism in to it. Are you having an argument with yourself?

"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or that one" is a absolutist statement. If you subscribe to that, I encourage you to donate both lungs, heart, kidneys, liver, eyes and skin post haste so that no time would be wasted in serving the needs of the many.


You point being that you don't know the meaning of an absolutist statement. I encourage you to look it up.
 
2013-05-21 04:32:57 PM  

Zeppelininthesky: skullkrusher: Zeppelininthesky: skullkrusher: Zeppelininthesky: skullkrusher: A Dark Evil Omen: Leftist activists operating through the existing Occupy and other networks > FEMA > Red Cross > Everyone and everything else in the known universe > Capitalist anything

yeah you keep saying that. No one believes you.
Occupy Sandy did not do more good than the Red Cross and FEMA. It is simply not true. The only people who WOULD accept that are idiots and liars.

This is not to diminish the incredible generosity of the people involved with Occupy Sandy and other grassroots efforts - they gave out of the goodness of their hearts and made a difference in the places they served. It is to diminish bald faced liars like you.

Stop making a farking ass of yourself.

Just because *you* say this, does not make it true.

no, just because *I* said it doesn't make it true.

The fact that the Red Cross has spent $200,000,000 on relief efforts, 1700 volunteers across 16 states and sheltered 11,000 people and STILL are working with 9,000 families to help them get back on their feet while the 12-12-12 concert raised $30,000,000 for relief not to mention all the smaller "capitalist" charities that have also taken part in the efforts allows me to say with a high degree of certainty that these "capitalist" charities have done more for Sandy relief than the well-meaning but far smaller and less well funded, disorganized "leftist" efforts.

I doubt the victims care if the donations were coming from the left or right. It is not a contest. The federal money is welcome because it can go to places that really need the funding.

gee, maybe you should talk to the guy who thinks it IS a contest - as opposed to me who notes the generosity of all those who gave time and money, large institutions and grassroots efforts alike, while keeping two feet in farking reality?

You are the one making an unfair comparison and acting like it is a contest.


what's the unfair comparison that I am making and why is it unfair?
 
2013-05-21 04:33:40 PM  
Why is american politics full of so many people that are just so punchable, and more to the point, why hasn't anyone exercised this punchability yet? Seriously, you were here the whole time, I swear.
 
2013-05-21 04:33:52 PM  

theknuckler_33: skullkrusher: Granny_Panties: Liberals: The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one.

Republicans: Me. It's all about me.

I'll go ahead and post this twice in one day...

first of all, that's vulcans. Second of all, strict utilitarianism is an abomination.

That's in Leviticus, right?


the Lord spake thusly, "Live long and prosper and John Stuart Mills is a poopoohead"
 
2013-05-21 04:34:25 PM  

skullkrusher: neversubmit: skullkrusher: Granny_Panties: Liberals: The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one.

Republicans: Me. It's all about me.

I'll go ahead and post this twice in one day...

first of all, that's vulcans. Second of all, strict utilitarianism is an abomination.

You are the one that brought strict utilitarianism in to it. Are you having an argument with yourself?

"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or that one" is a absolutist statement. If you subscribe to that, I encourage you to donate both lungs, heart, kidneys, liver, eyes and skin post haste so that no time would be wasted in serving the needs of the many.


If you were to do that, you would be completely incapable of giving anything else to anybody for all eternity. If you could make more valuable donations over the rest of your life than you could by committing suicide and donating all of your organs, then killing yourself would be self-defeating.
 
2013-05-21 04:35:18 PM  
The aid to Oklahoma should be made contingent on those Representatives and Senators from Oklahoma who voted against aid for Hurricane Sandy having to stand on the floor of Congress and openly admit that they are hateful douchebag assholes who shouldn't be in government in any capacity for their votes against disaster relief.
 
2013-05-21 04:35:34 PM  
I'm going to turn a blind eye & a deaf ear to the Inhofe shenanigans so that the we can get Oklahoma the Socialisms they need & such as!

/Fark this guy, fark anyone who goes blatant hypocrisy.
//I hope you're paying attention Oklahoma voter!
 
2013-05-21 04:37:00 PM  
At least Inhofe is just a straight-up hypocrite. Coburn is crazy enough to deny his own constituents disaster relief if he can't do so while maintaining his ideological purity. And his constituents are crazy enough to reelect him even as they freeze in the dark. Go figure.
 
2013-05-21 04:38:37 PM  

neversubmit: skullkrusher: neversubmit: skullkrusher: Granny_Panties: Liberals: The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one.

Republicans: Me. It's all about me.

I'll go ahead and post this twice in one day...

first of all, that's vulcans. Second of all, strict utilitarianism is an abomination.

You are the one that brought strict utilitarianism in to it. Are you having an argument with yourself?

"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or that one" is a absolutist statement. If you subscribe to that, I encourage you to donate both lungs, heart, kidneys, liver, eyes and skin post haste so that no time would be wasted in serving the needs of the many.

You point being that you don't know the meaning of an absolutist statement. I encourage you to look it up.


ab·so·lut·ism
n.1. a. A political theory holding that all power should be vested in one ruler or other authority.b. A form of government in which all power is vested in a single ruler or other authority.2. An absolute doctrine, principle, or standard.ab·so·luteadjective \ˈab-sə-ˌlüt, ˌab-sə-ˈ\Definition of ABSOLUTE1a : free from imperfection
...4: having no restriction, exception, or qualification no charge.
 
2013-05-21 04:38:49 PM  
skullkrusher:  note the use of quotes? Note the use of the word "capitalist" in the post to which I was responding, conflating non-"leftist" charitable institutions with "capitalism" ones? Done noting that? Now shut up

Noted. And no I don't see those quotes around leftist in the original post, or capitalist. you used those, positing the idea that the charities that donated were capitalist. And the Robin Hood Foundation is the polar opposite of what you tried to describe it as. The Red Cross is not a "capitalist" institution, FEMA isn't either, 12-12-12 was not a "capitalist" event, hell every volunteer that showed up was not engaging in a "capitalist" activity. It was a community of individuals, a society if you will, banding together, pooling their resources for the common good. So no, I won't shut up when you say something that stupid.
 
2013-05-21 04:39:02 PM  

Serious Black: skullkrusher: neversubmit: skullkrusher: Granny_Panties: Liberals: The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one.

Republicans: Me. It's all about me.

I'll go ahead and post this twice in one day...

first of all, that's vulcans. Second of all, strict utilitarianism is an abomination.

You are the one that brought strict utilitarianism in to it. Are you having an argument with yourself?

"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or that one" is a absolutist statement. If you subscribe to that, I encourage you to donate both lungs, heart, kidneys, liver, eyes and skin post haste so that no time would be wasted in serving the needs of the many.

If you were to do that, you would be completely incapable of giving anything else to anybody for all eternity. If you could make more valuable donations over the rest of your life than you could by committing suicide and donating all of your organs, then killing yourself would be self-defeating.


So you didn't think that was a winning argument? Lets put it another way "if you don't agree with me you should die" how was that?
 
2013-05-21 04:39:12 PM  

clambam: At least Inhofe is just a straight-up hypocrite. Coburn is crazy enough to deny his own constituents disaster relief if he can't do so while maintaining his ideological purity. And his constituents are crazy enough to reelect him even as they freeze in the dark. Go figure.


Coburn is retiring. So his denial is easy.
 
2013-05-21 04:39:46 PM  

Serious Black: skullkrusher: neversubmit: skullkrusher: Granny_Panties: Liberals: The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one.

Republicans: Me. It's all about me.

I'll go ahead and post this twice in one day...

first of all, that's vulcans. Second of all, strict utilitarianism is an abomination.

You are the one that brought strict utilitarianism in to it. Are you having an argument with yourself?

"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or that one" is a absolutist statement. If you subscribe to that, I encourage you to donate both lungs, heart, kidneys, liver, eyes and skin post haste so that no time would be wasted in serving the needs of the many.

If you were to do that, you would be completely incapable of giving anything else to anybody for all eternity. If you could make more valuable donations over the rest of your life than you could by committing suicide and donating all of your organs, then killing yourself would be self-defeating.


directly being the literal difference between life and death for a dozen or so people is more than most people are going to accomplish.
 
2013-05-21 04:41:07 PM  

skullkrusher: neversubmit: skullkrusher: neversubmit: skullkrusher: Granny_Panties: Liberals: The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one.

Republicans: Me. It's all about me.

I'll go ahead and post this twice in one day...

first of all, that's vulcans. Second of all, strict utilitarianism is an abomination.

You are the one that brought strict utilitarianism in to it. Are you having an argument with yourself?

"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or that one" is a absolutist statement. If you subscribe to that, I encourage you to donate both lungs, heart, kidneys, liver, eyes and skin post haste so that no time would be wasted in serving the needs of the many.

You point being that you don't know the meaning of an absolutist statement. I encourage you to look it up.

ab·so·lut·ism
n.1. a. A political theory holding that all power should be vested in one ruler or other authority.b. A form of government in which all power is vested in a single ruler or other authority.2. An absolute doctrine, principle, or standard.ab·so·luteadjective \ˈab-sə-ˌlüt, ˌab-sə-ˈ\Definition of ABSOLUTE1a : free from imperfection
...4: having no restriction, exception, or qualification no charge.


Yes I know you don't know what an absolutist statement is and now I know you don't know look stuff up. Were you trying to make some other point?
 
2013-05-21 04:42:04 PM  

Chewb1zz: skullkrusher:  note the use of quotes? Note the use of the word "capitalist" in the post to which I was responding, conflating non-"leftist" charitable institutions with "capitalism" ones? Done noting that? Now shut up

Noted. And no I don't see those quotes around leftist in the original post, or capitalist. you used those, positing the idea that the charities that donated were capitalist. And the Robin Hood Foundation is the polar opposite of what you tried to describe it as. The Red Cross is not a "capitalist" institution, FEMA isn't either, 12-12-12 was not a "capitalist" event, hell every volunteer that showed up was not engaging in a "capitalist" activity. It was a community of individuals, a society if you will, banding together, pooling their resources for the common good. So no, I won't shut up when you say something that stupid.


sorry, I was too harsh earlier. I see now that I read something into his post that was not there because I was drawing on previous comments he's made on the topic. He is the one talking about "leftist" vs "capitalist" charities. I think that is an absurd distinction. I also know that it is absurd to say that the efforts of Occupy Sandy and the like exceeded those of the Red Cross and FEMA. Of course, he's since tried to pretend he was saying something else entirely but he wasn't. He is just embarrassed that someone quoted my post and therefore his ignore filter couldn't save his ego.
 
2013-05-21 04:42:16 PM  
Now I'm wondering WTF is happening in north Dallas. A friend just wrote me to tell me that they were moving into the basement at her office building, and I'm getting voice mail when I call her.
 
2013-05-21 04:43:06 PM  

ItchyMcDoogle: I hear this argument all the time from my GOP and Libertarian friends. Esp on health care. Oh the community will help! churches, corporations won't let people suffer. Cooperations are better at running things then the government.

All I have to say to them is Put up or shut up. Show me where that has happened on a mass scale. Show me where churches and or corporations pay for medical treatments for cancer patients without insurance and help rebuild with no profit to think about.

What comes back every time is * Crickets * or Fark you commie lib.



During the last "great one" I was living in Norman Oklahoma so this is a first hand eye witness account. When you say "the government" I'm going to break this up into two categories: local and Federal. Local was excellent! On the job getting things done. Federal? Showed up the next day to do press conferences.
How why was the local so excellent? Because local businesses threw open their doors and allowed the local people access to the tools, material and equipment needed to get the job done. Not to mention all the stupid SOBs like me that showed up ready to listen and do what we were told. And that's the model on how to get stuff done. It was that way in Midwest City and Moore and it was that way in Nashville. You only get into trouble when you wait on the federal guys to come save you ie:New Orleans and New York.
 
2013-05-21 04:43:21 PM  

Hobodeluxe: clambam: At least Inhofe is just a straight-up hypocrite. Coburn is crazy enough to deny his own constituents disaster relief if he can't do so while maintaining his ideological purity. And his constituents are crazy enough to reelect him even as they freeze in the dark. Go figure.

Coburn is retiring. So his denial is easy.


Oh really? Sorry Oklahoma, your'e screwed.
 
2013-05-21 04:43:36 PM  
Pardon me... That they were *TALKING* about moving to the basement. Do not want to cause panic.
 
2013-05-21 04:43:42 PM  
Oh look, a hypocritical sack of crap Midwesterner.  What a surprise!  The reason God punished them with bad weather is that people from the Midwest have turned their backs on God and worship Satan.  There can be no other logical reason for this sort of thing.
 
2013-05-21 04:44:01 PM  
images.jambase.com
 
2013-05-21 04:44:26 PM  

neversubmit: skullkrusher: neversubmit: skullkrusher: neversubmit: skullkrusher: Granny_Panties: Liberals: The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one.

Republicans: Me. It's all about me.

I'll go ahead and post this twice in one day...

first of all, that's vulcans. Second of all, strict utilitarianism is an abomination.

You are the one that brought strict utilitarianism in to it. Are you having an argument with yourself?

"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or that one" is a absolutist statement. If you subscribe to that, I encourage you to donate both lungs, heart, kidneys, liver, eyes and skin post haste so that no time would be wasted in serving the needs of the many.

You point being that you don't know the meaning of an absolutist statement. I encourage you to look it up.

ab·so·lut·ism
n.1. a. A political theory holding that all power should be vested in one ruler or other authority.b. A form of government in which all power is vested in a single ruler or other authority.2. An absolute doctrine, principle, or standard.ab·so·luteadjective \ˈab-sə-ˌlüt, ˌab-sə-ˈ\Definition of ABSOLUTE1a : free from imperfection
...4: having no restriction, exception, or qualification no charge.

Yes I know you don't know what an absolutist statement is and now I know you don't know look stuff up. Were you trying to make some other point?


Absolutist statement. A statement without qualification. Why are you insisting on kicking your own ass here man?
Again:

ab·so·lut·ism  (
n.1. a. A political theory holding that all power should be vested in one ruler or other authority.b. A form of government in which all power is vested in a single ruler or other authority.2. An absolute doctrine, principle, or standard.Would you have preferred I'd said "absolutistic"? Is that the great internet victory you're going for?
 
2013-05-21 04:44:49 PM  

skullkrusher: Chewb1zz: skullkrusher:  note the use of quotes? Note the use of the word "capitalist" in the post to which I was responding, conflating non-"leftist" charitable institutions with "capitalism" ones? Done noting that? Now shut up

Noted. And no I don't see those quotes around leftist in the original post, or capitalist. you used those, positing the idea that the charities that donated were capitalist. And the Robin Hood Foundation is the polar opposite of what you tried to describe it as. The Red Cross is not a "capitalist" institution, FEMA isn't either, 12-12-12 was not a "capitalist" event, hell every volunteer that showed up was not engaging in a "capitalist" activity. It was a community of individuals, a society if you will, banding together, pooling their resources for the common good. So no, I won't shut up when you say something that stupid.

sorry, I was too harsh earlier. I see now that I read something into his post that was not there because I was drawing on previous comments he's made on the topic. He is the one talking about "leftist" vs "capitalist" charities. I think that is an absurd distinction. I also know that it is absurd to say that the efforts of Occupy Sandy and the like exceeded those of the Red Cross and FEMA. Of course, he's since tried to pretend he was saying something else entirely but he wasn't. He is just embarrassed that someone quoted my post and therefore his ignore filter couldn't save his ego.


happens to the best of us.
 
2013-05-21 04:45:12 PM  

skullkrusher: brigid_fitch: skullkrusher: A Dark Evil Omen: Leftist activists operating through the existing Occupy and other networks > FEMA > Red Cross > Everyone and everything else in the known universe > Capitalist anything

yeah you keep saying that. No one believes you.
Occupy Sandy did not do more good than the Red Cross and FEMA. It is simply not true. The only people who WOULD accept that are idiots and liars.

This is not to diminish the incredible generosity of the people involved with Occupy Sandy and other grassroots efforts - they gave out of the goodness of their hearts and made a difference in the places they served. It is to diminish bald faced liars like you.

Stop making a farking ass of yourself.

This.  I'm only a few miles from Manasquan, NJ, where Sandy completely flattened dozens of houses--not counting 3 blocks' worth that burned to the ground because the firetrucks couldn't get past the farking Atlantic Ocean streaming across the road.  I've been in a number of charity events since then, since I miraculously had zero damage.  In fact, I was in a charity event for Sandy just this past Saturday that was the culmination of months of planning and marketing, coupled with aggressive recruiting.  They got an estimated 1600-1900 motorcycles, at least another 1,000 people who came to the barbecue afterwards, and raised...$27,695.

If for some reason you think that's better than what FEMA could do, you're seriously deluded.

people of all sorts have been amazingly compassionate and giving, especially in the immediate aftermath. Their help and generosity of time and money was certainly appreciated by those impacted by the storm. They brightened many a day or at least made it seem less hopeless. Why someone would make laughable claims to build up that which doesn't need building up is baffling. Those lefties were awesome in what they did (and the righties who took part as well). It really should be enough to laud their efforts rather than embarrass them ...


I know quite a few people involved in the Sandy relief efforts for Red Cross, FEMA, and Occupy.  All of them did good work.  To be frank, Sandy was a very well handled disaster, compared to the incredibly low bar that Bush set with Katrina.

I was at one point the safety director for all of the faith based relief groups for the entire Mississippi Gulf Coast after Katrina. I was there for 11 months, and have friends that are still down there.  Interestingly, I was a Republican back then, but no longer am.

Want to know why I left that party, and what the difference is between the parties, and the different types of relief groups?  Back in the days of Katrina, we had a party in power that believed that the federal government had no business conducting disaster relief.  So, they went out of their way to prove that point.  Unfortunately, MEMA and GOHSEP followed FEMA's lead, and were largely ineffectual due to their limited operating scope.

Due to the huge power vacuum left by having no federal or state effective coordination for relief efforts, chuckleheads like myself with almost no experience rose incredibly high in the ranks of the relief effort because no one else was doing the work.  It was very empowering for average volunteers, but very damaging to the long term relief effort.  Salvation Army and Red Cross also had very limited operating parameters (handing out food, first aid, temporary housing), that were very helpful in the immediate relief effort, but woefully inadequate for the rebuilding effort.

As a result, smaller, newer organizations leveraged meager budgets into much greater impact than the big dogs for Katrina.  Organizations like Hands On USA (now All Hands Volunteers), Burners Without Borders, Common Ground, Architecture for Humanity, and Can-do.org far outperformed organizations and federal agencies with budgets many orders of magnitude larger than theirs.

However, things have changed since then.

Obama, and the governors of the states such as New York and New Jersey, are eager to prove their competence.  The Red Cross and some of the larger groups have re-focused onto larger relief and rebuilding efforts.  FEMA coordinates effectively both governmental and NGO resources.  So, as a result, the little guys like Occupy and Hands On still had a great impact after Sandy, but not as markedly superior to the big boys.

TL:DR
You're kinda right, they all did great work, but under Obama FEMA is much more agile and effective than it was under Bush, and as a result many of the larger NGOs are more effective as well.
 
2013-05-21 04:45:43 PM  

maxheck: Now I'm wondering WTF is happening in north Dallas. A friend just wrote me to tell me that they were moving into the basement at her office building, and I'm getting voice mail when I call her.


Big storm running through north Texas. We were under a tornado warning for a bit, but nothing materialized, everyone in tornado alley is just a bit freaked out right now.
 
2013-05-21 04:47:01 PM  
I'm really hoping Chuck Schumer kicks his media whoring into high gear. Stuff the OK relief bill with "pork" like additional relief funding for Sandy victims. Then head to Oklahoma with state emergency management from NY, who have previous relief experience from six months ago, to help out. And of course the whole thing would be capped by a special Schumer press conference amid the destroyed homes talking about how NY stands with them. And throw in Peter King for good measure. Passive aggressive at its best!
 
2013-05-21 04:47:02 PM  

skullkrusher: Zeppelininthesky: skullkrusher: Chewb1zz: skullkrusher: ...12-12-12 concert raised $30,000,000 for relief not to mention all the smaller "capitalist" charities...... these "capitalist" charities have done more for Sandy relief than the well-meaning but far smaller and less well funded, disorganized "leftist" efforts.

You mean the 12-12-12 concert funded by the Robin Hood Foundation? Which is specifically dedicated to alleviating the problems caused by the poor? The organization the George Soros donated 50 million to? The charity? It's not "capitalistic", it's a freaking charity not interested in generating wealth for itself, but for fomenting social well being.  Do you even know what capitalism means?

note the use of quotes? Note the use of the word "capitalist" in the post to which I was responding, conflating non-"leftist" charitable institutions with "capitalism" ones? Done noting that? Now shut up

"Lefist" dollars are different than "capitalist" dollars?

Perhaps I see the disconnect. He has referred to the Red Cross and other large charities as profit driven organizations trying to make a buck on human suffering in the past while making this very same dubious claim about how Occupy Sandy "lead the effort" in relief.  I see now that he did not explicitly do that in this case. He also bizarrely doesn't regard the charity work done by Occupy Sandy and other volunteers as "charity".

For reference:

http://www.fark.com/comments/7429849/80647562#c80647562


I still don't see your point.
 
2013-05-21 04:47:24 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: ItchyMcDoogle: I hear this argument all the time from my GOP and Libertarian friends. Esp on health care. Oh the community will help! churches, corporations won't let people suffer. Cooperations are better at running things then the government.

All I have to say to them is Put up or shut up. Show me where that has happened on a mass scale. Show me where churches and or corporations pay for medical treatments for cancer patients without insurance and help rebuild with no profit to think about.

What comes back every time is * Crickets * or Fark you commie lib.


During the last "great one" I was living in Norman Oklahoma so this is a first hand eye witness account. When you say "the government" I'm going to break this up into two categories: local and Federal. Local was excellent! On the job getting things done. Federal? Showed up the next day to do press conferences.
How why was the local so excellent? Because local businesses threw open their doors and allowed the local people access to the tools, material and equipment needed to get the job done. Not to mention all the stupid SOBs like me that showed up ready to listen and do what we were told. And that's the model on how to get stuff done. It was that way in Midwest City and Moore and it was that way in Nashville. You only get into trouble when you wait on the federal guys to come save you ie:New Orleans and New York.


Really? So those businesses just gave away the tools and equipment, took the financial hit for the benefit of their neighbors? No? They got reimbursed by the federal government you say? Actually I doubt they did because I suspect you just made the whole story up. Because if you're going to be a greedy self-serving hypocrite, you might as well go whole hog and be a lying greedy self-serving hypocrite.
 
2013-05-21 04:47:26 PM  

Ayn Rand's Social Worker: I know quite a few people involved in the Sandy relief efforts for Red Cross, FEMA, and Occupy. All of them did good work. To be frank, Sandy was a very well handled disaster, compared to the incredibly low bar that Bush set with Katrina.

I was at one point the safety director for all of the faith based relief groups for the entire Mississippi Gulf Coast after Katrina. I was there for 11 months, and have friends that are still down there. Interestingly, I was a Republican back then, but no longer am.

Want to know why I left that party, and what the difference is between the parties, and the different types of relief groups? Back in the days of Katrina, we had a party in power that believed that the federal government had no business conducting disaster relief. So, they went out of their way to prove that point. Unfortunately, MEMA and GOHSEP followed FEMA's lead, and were largely ineffectual due to their limited operating scope.

Due to the huge power vacuum left by having no federal or state effective coordination for relief efforts, chuckleheads like myself with almost no experience rose incredibly high in the ranks of the relief effort because no one else was doing the work. It was very empowering for average volunteers, but very damaging to the long term relief effort. Salvation Army and Red Cross also had very limited operating parameters (handing out food, first aid, temporary housing), that were very helpful in the immediate relief effort, but woefully inadequate for the rebuilding effort.

As a result, smaller, newer organizations leveraged meager budgets into much greater impact than the big dogs for Katrina. Organizations like Hands On USA (now All Hands Volunteers), Burners Without Borders, Common Ground, Architecture for Humanity, and Can-do.org far outperformed organizations and federal agencies with budgets many orders of magnitude larger than theirs.

However, things have changed since then.

Obama, and the governors of the stat ...


see, there is nothing in here I find disagreeable. Charities are great as long as they do what their claim. Big, small, religious, rabidly atheist lefties, whatever. Helping people good. Making stuff up that no one in their right mind would find even plausible? Bizarre.
 
2013-05-21 04:47:36 PM  
Chewb1zz:

maxheck: Now I'm wondering WTF is happening in north Dallas. A friend just wrote me to tell me that they were moving into the basement at her office building, and I'm getting voice mail when I call her.

Big storm running through north Texas. We were under a tornado warning for a bit, but nothing materialized, everyone in tornado alley is just a bit freaked out right now.


Thank you. Means a lot.
 
2013-05-21 04:48:52 PM  

MrSteve007: One would think that in an area of the country dubbed "Tornado Alley" - that you guys would at least build elementary schools with basements or some form of a shelter, other than an interior hallway.

While folks lobby for gun legislation in this country in an attempt to prevent another Sandyhook - why aren't folks demanding a basic change to the way we design and build public schools - to prevent another Plaza Towers?

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/oh, that's right - demanding better building codes for public structures isn't nearly as sexy as "assault" weapons.


Because nobody has fantasies where they get to stand up to a horde of high winds armed with better weather forcasting and proper building codes.
 
2013-05-21 04:49:00 PM  

skullkrusher: see, there is nothing in here I find disagreeable. Charities are great as long as they do what their claim. Big, small, religious, rabidly atheist lefties, whatever. Helping people good. Making stuff up that no one in their right mind would find even plausible? Bizarre.


and what they claim is not "protecting the sanctity of marriage" and shiat like that. Figured I'd qualify it. Wouldn't want to be caught making an absolutist absolutistic AbsolutTM statement
 
2013-05-21 04:49:53 PM  

Chewb1zz: maxheck: Now I'm wondering WTF is happening in north Dallas. A friend just wrote me to tell me that they were moving into the basement at her office building, and I'm getting voice mail when I call her.

Big storm running through north Texas. We were under a tornado warning for a bit, but nothing materialized, everyone in tornado alley is just a bit freaked out right now.


be safe dudes
 
2013-05-21 04:50:18 PM  
nocturnal001:

MrSteve007: One would think that in an area of the country dubbed "Tornado Alley" - that you guys would at least build elementary schools with basements or some form of a shelter, other than an interior hallway.

While folks lobby for gun legislation in this country in an attempt to prevent another Sandyhook - why aren't folks demanding a basic change to the way we design and build public schools - to prevent another Plaza Towers?

[i2.cdn.turner.com image 640x360]

/oh, that's right - demanding better building codes for public structures isn't nearly as sexy as "assault" weapons.

Because nobody has fantasies where they get to stand up to a horde of high winds armed with better weather forcasting and proper building codes.


/ slinks away, not saying anything.
 
2013-05-21 04:52:10 PM  
www.nasa.gov

From NASA - http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hurricanes/archives/2012/h2012_Sand y .html

Early in the morning on October 25, 2012, the Suomi NPP satellite passed over Hurricane Sandy after it made landfall over Cuba and Jamaica, capturing this highly detailed infrared imagery, showing areas of deep convection around the central eye. Besides the highly detailed infrared imagery, the satellite's day night band captured detailed visible-like imagery of the cloud tops, along with the city lights of Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands.
 
2013-05-21 04:53:31 PM  

skullkrusher: Serious Black: skullkrusher: neversubmit: skullkrusher: Granny_Panties: Liberals: The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one.

Republicans: Me. It's all about me.

I'll go ahead and post this twice in one day...

first of all, that's vulcans. Second of all, strict utilitarianism is an abomination.

You are the one that brought strict utilitarianism in to it. Are you having an argument with yourself?

"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or that one" is a absolutist statement. If you subscribe to that, I encourage you to donate both lungs, heart, kidneys, liver, eyes and skin post haste so that no time would be wasted in serving the needs of the many.

If you were to do that, you would be completely incapable of giving anything else to anybody for all eternity. If you could make more valuable donations over the rest of your life than you could by committing suicide and donating all of your organs, then killing yourself would be self-defeating.

directly being the literal difference between life and death for a dozen or so people is more than most people are going to accomplish.


If we assume that all those organ donations really do save a life (I'd dispute it in some of the organs you named), I agree that could be true, but we really have no idea which people will fall on either side of the spectrum until their life is over. Even then, history remembers people differently at different times or based on different viewpoints, so person X could be viewed as saving hundreds of lives or as killing hundreds of lives.
 
2013-05-21 04:54:13 PM  
The only funding I would have voted against would have been the bulk of post-Katrina money.

The levee system was so underbuilt and corruptly-run I would have never allowed the city to rebuild until they gave total control of the whole schmear to the Governor's office.  The local control going back generations was a disaster waiting to happen, and it did.
 
2013-05-21 04:55:07 PM  

Serious Black: If we assume that all those organ donations really do save a life (I'd dispute it in some of the organs you named), I agree that could be true, but we really have no idea which people will fall on either side of the spectrum until their life is over. Even then, history remembers people differently at different times or based on different viewpoints, so person X could be viewed as saving hundreds of lives or as killing hundreds of lives.


lungs (2)
kidneys (2)
liver (several depending but for the average Farker, probably better off skipping the liver)
skin (multiple)
heart (1)

maybe just shy of a dozen. Still a ton of people.
 
2013-05-21 04:55:54 PM  

Zeppelininthesky: skullkrusher: Chewb1zz: skullkrusher: ...12-12-12 concert raised $30,000,000 for relief not to mention all the smaller "capitalist" charities...... these "capitalist" charities have done more for Sandy relief than the well-meaning but far smaller and less well funded, disorganized "leftist" efforts.

You mean the 12-12-12 concert funded by the Robin Hood Foundation? Which is specifically dedicated to alleviating the problems caused by the poor? The organization the George Soros donated 50 million to? The charity? It's not "capitalistic", it's a freaking charity not interested in generating wealth for itself, but for fomenting social well being.  Do you even know what capitalism means?

note the use of quotes? Note the use of the word "capitalist" in the post to which I was responding, conflating non-"leftist" charitable institutions with "capitalism" ones? Done noting that? Now shut up

"Lefist" dollars are different than "capitalist" dollars?


Yes. Leftist dollars spend like this, and capitalist dollars spend like this.
 
2013-05-21 04:56:23 PM  

BMulligan: Zeppelininthesky: skullkrusher: Chewb1zz: skullkrusher: ...12-12-12 concert raised $30,000,000 for relief not to mention all the smaller "capitalist" charities...... these "capitalist" charities have done more for Sandy relief than the well-meaning but far smaller and less well funded, disorganized "leftist" efforts.

You mean the 12-12-12 concert funded by the Robin Hood Foundation? Which is specifically dedicated to alleviating the problems caused by the poor? The organization the George Soros donated 50 million to? The charity? It's not "capitalistic", it's a freaking charity not interested in generating wealth for itself, but for fomenting social well being.  Do you even know what capitalism means?

note the use of quotes? Note the use of the word "capitalist" in the post to which I was responding, conflating non-"leftist" charitable institutions with "capitalism" ones? Done noting that? Now shut up

"Lefist" dollars are different than "capitalist" dollars?

Yes. Leftist dollars spend like this, and capitalist dollars spend like this.


it's true, it's true. We're so lame.
 
2013-05-21 04:58:32 PM  

skullkrusher: Serious Black: If we assume that all those organ donations really do save a life (I'd dispute it in some of the organs you named), I agree that could be true, but we really have no idea which people will fall on either side of the spectrum until their life is over. Even then, history remembers people differently at different times or based on different viewpoints, so person X could be viewed as saving hundreds of lives or as killing hundreds of lives.

lungs (2)
kidneys (2)
liver (several depending but for the average Farker, probably better off skipping the liver)
skin (multiple)
heart (1)

maybe just shy of a dozen. Still a ton of people.


Fine. So what about the rest of my comment? Should we force people that we deem unable to save a dozen people outside of forcible organ donation to die even though we almost certainly can't judge that?
 
2013-05-21 05:00:13 PM  
Serious Black:

This article explains the problems with getting people underground in Oklahoma better than I could in two lines.

FTA...If the suburbs keep expanding, Paul Douglas put it, "we're going to see more of this."

Sooo many cheap suburban housing developments around Central Texas. When we get hit (not if), there will be considerable carnage.
 
2013-05-21 05:00:33 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: You only get into trouble when you wait on the federal guys to come save you ie:New Orleans and New York.


LOL. Don't stop believing.
 
2013-05-21 05:00:57 PM  

Dog Welder: s2s2s2: So what of this Virgin Islands pork he mentioned?

Are these so-called Virgin Islands anywhere near Whore Island?


Yeah, but you gotta go through the Virgin Islands a whole bunch of times to get to 'em.
 
2013-05-21 05:01:54 PM  
Fark off you welfare-state asshole. The libruls in the Northeast are tired of funding your tornado and hurricane relief efforts and paying more taxes than they get back, only to be kicked in the face the one farking time in ages they needed help.

http://underthemountainbunker.com/2013/02/28/24-hour-warning-by-the- wa y-red-states-take-in-more-federal-money-than-they-pay-in-taxes/
 
2013-05-21 05:02:31 PM  

MindStalker: The Virgin Islands pork was in an initial version but not in the final legislation. The final legislation did include paying for some damages to Smithsonian museums in DC.


Reasonable, in MY* GOP? I think NOT!

*Not mine at all.
 
2013-05-21 05:03:23 PM  

ItchyMcDoogle: With all that said the people of Oklahoma deserve every bit of help from the Govt and everyone. Just because they have a bunch of GOP cockbags representing them in Washington is no reason to let them suffer at all. Even though I really really doubt it I do hope that the Senators who cut and tried to deny funding for Sandy see how hypocritical they are when the vote for funds to help the people of Oklahoma


i disagree with that. They vote every year to try and make it so the government isn't there to help them, then they come crying for a hand out everytime something happens and the rest of us dig in and help. I say this time, we don't. If you have a spoiled child, you dont keep rewarding their bad behavior. these people are spoiled children. If they had to reap what they sowed, maybe they'd stop sowing it
 
2013-05-21 05:03:44 PM  

clambam: Really? So those businesses just gave away the tools and equipment, took the financial hit for the benefit of their neighbors? No? They got reimbursed by the federal government you say? Actually I doubt they did because I suspect you just made the whole story up. Because if you're going to be a greedy self-serving hypocrite, you might as well go whole hog and be a lying greedy self-serving hypocrite.


Project much?

I know it's hard to understand people helping other people. I know you believe that someone in the federal government has to take from someone to give to another. But when you have people trapped in a building and the local Ace Hardware has a load of shovels and pickaxes the math becomes very simple. The local Denny's throws up the doors and starts cooking eggs and hamburgers as fast as they can and generally people get down to work. Next thing you know tractor trailers full of baby formula, diapers and bottled water. It's really heart warming.
 
2013-05-21 05:04:40 PM  
FWIW I don't think anyone should be playing politics with disaster relief. Just saying that Inhofe and Coburn are two of the biggest cock-bags in govt. and they should be publicly shamed.
 
2013-05-21 05:05:44 PM  

Serious Black: skullkrusher: Serious Black: If we assume that all those organ donations really do save a life (I'd dispute it in some of the organs you named), I agree that could be true, but we really have no idea which people will fall on either side of the spectrum until their life is over. Even then, history remembers people differently at different times or based on different viewpoints, so person X could be viewed as saving hundreds of lives or as killing hundreds of lives.

lungs (2)
kidneys (2)
liver (several depending but for the average Farker, probably better off skipping the liver)
skin (multiple)
heart (1)

maybe just shy of a dozen. Still a ton of people.

Fine. So what about the rest of my comment? Should we force people that we deem unable to save a dozen people outside of forcible organ donation to die even though we almost certainly can't judge that?


no, why would we do that?
 
2013-05-21 05:06:27 PM  

Hobodeluxe: clambam: At least Inhofe is just a straight-up hypocrite. Coburn is crazy enough to deny his own constituents disaster relief if he can't do so while maintaining his ideological purity. And his constituents are crazy enough to reelect him even as they freeze in the dark. Go figure.

Coburn is retiring. So his denial is easy.


Here's how crazy Coburn is.  Back in '99 when the GOP primary was in full swing I asked Coburn (who was our representative at the time) who he was supporting for president.  His answer? Alan Keyes!  I did a double-take and backed slowly away.

/csb
 
2013-05-21 05:07:58 PM  
Meh, one law/provision per bill would solve most of the problems in this farked up country.

/pork spoils a lot of legislation
 
2013-05-21 05:08:22 PM  

skullkrusher: Serious Black: skullkrusher: Serious Black: If we assume that all those organ donations really do save a life (I'd dispute it in some of the organs you named), I agree that could be true, but we really have no idea which people will fall on either side of the spectrum until their life is over. Even then, history remembers people differently at different times or based on different viewpoints, so person X could be viewed as saving hundreds of lives or as killing hundreds of lives.

lungs (2)
kidneys (2)
liver (several depending but for the average Farker, probably better off skipping the liver)
skin (multiple)
heart (1)

maybe just shy of a dozen. Still a ton of people.

Fine. So what about the rest of my comment? Should we force people that we deem unable to save a dozen people outside of forcible organ donation to die even though we almost certainly can't judge that?

no, why would we do that?


Because it serves as a nice way to call out your comment as being stupid.
 
2013-05-21 05:09:47 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: clambam: Really? So those businesses just gave away the tools and equipment, took the financial hit for the benefit of their neighbors? No? They got reimbursed by the federal government you say? Actually I doubt they did because I suspect you just made the whole story up. Because if you're going to be a greedy self-serving hypocrite, you might as well go whole hog and be a lying greedy self-serving hypocrite.

Project much?

I know it's hard to understand people helping other people. I know you believe that someone in the federal government has to take from someone to give to another. But when you have people trapped in a building and the local Ace Hardware has a load of shovels and pickaxes the math becomes very simple. The local Denny's throws up the doors and starts cooking eggs and hamburgers as fast as they can and generally people get down to work. Next thing you know tractor trailers full of baby formula, diapers and bottled water. It's really heart warming.


Assholes don't understand good hospitality.
 
2013-05-21 05:12:41 PM  

theorellior: LOL. Don't stop believing.


So you don't remember the people getting pulled off the roofs in New Orleans or the people living in their own filth in New York?
 
2013-05-21 05:12:48 PM  
Maud Dib:

Serious Black:

This article explains the problems with getting people underground in Oklahoma better than I could in two lines.

FTA...If the suburbs keep expanding, Paul Douglas put it, "we're going to see more of this."

Sooo many cheap suburban housing developments around Central Texas. When we get hit (not if), there will be considerable carnage.


Having done work for a friend and her sons in that general area, yeah. Evidently you guys lived under Somali rules for a while.

From what I understand you guys actually have gotten together to accept building codes recently, but yeah.
 
2013-05-21 05:12:51 PM  

Serious Black: skullkrusher: Serious Black: skullkrusher: Serious Black: If we assume that all those organ donations really do save a life (I'd dispute it in some of the organs you named), I agree that could be true, but we really have no idea which people will fall on either side of the spectrum until their life is over. Even then, history remembers people differently at different times or based on different viewpoints, so person X could be viewed as saving hundreds of lives or as killing hundreds of lives.

lungs (2)
kidneys (2)
liver (several depending but for the average Farker, probably better off skipping the liver)
skin (multiple)
heart (1)

maybe just shy of a dozen. Still a ton of people.

Fine. So what about the rest of my comment? Should we force people that we deem unable to save a dozen people outside of forcible organ donation to die even though we almost certainly can't judge that?

no, why would we do that?

Because it serves as a nice way to call out your comment as being stupid.


how so? It is certainly a most rare breed of person who will be directly responsible for saving 12 people's lives over the course of their own. So even if we do wind up killing off a few people who might save 25 people from a burning building or something similar, on net the needs of the many will have been outweighed by the needs of the few. Perhaps we could just breed specific people for such a purpose? See, the statement you're defending is incredibly dumb and, by association, your defense of it is also incredibly dumb but I guess we can pretend you won if it increases your utility.
 
2013-05-21 05:14:35 PM  

basemetal: The Stealth Hippopotamus: clambam: Really? So those businesses just gave away the tools and equipment, took the financial hit for the benefit of their neighbors? No? They got reimbursed by the federal government you say? Actually I doubt they did because I suspect you just made the whole story up. Because if you're going to be a greedy self-serving hypocrite, you might as well go whole hog and be a lying greedy self-serving hypocrite.

Project much?

I know it's hard to understand people helping other people. I know you believe that someone in the federal government has to take from someone to give to another. But when you have people trapped in a building and the local Ace Hardware has a load of shovels and pickaxes the math becomes very simple. The local Denny's throws up the doors and starts cooking eggs and hamburgers as fast as they can and generally people get down to work. Next thing you know tractor trailers full of baby formula, diapers and bottled water. It's really heart warming.

Assholes don't understand good hospitality.


i.qkme.me

/obscure?
//if so, see Troll 2
 
2013-05-21 05:19:16 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: theorellior: LOL. Don't stop believing.

So you don't remember the people getting pulled off the roofs in New Orleans or the people living in their own filth in New York?


In a disaster area there's so much to pick and choose from. There were also orders of magnitude more people affected in both NOLA and NYC than in Oklahoma, so the response logistics are quite a bit different. You just happen to pick the bootstrappy portions of your disaster experience and the lazy moocher portions of disasters you didn't have any personal experience with. It's something called selection bias. It's especially prevalent when it just happens to align with your ideological mythologies.

Anyway, I bet you've been meaning to go sling hash at the local Denny's for free instead of arguing on the Internet, we know how caring and compassionate you are. When the Red Cross arrives, be sure to let them know my donation money should be used elsewhere, since you've got it all covered.
 
2013-05-21 05:20:31 PM  

skullkrusher: Serious Black: skullkrusher: Serious Black: skullkrusher: Serious Black: If we assume that all those organ donations really do save a life (I'd dispute it in some of the organs you named), I agree that could be true, but we really have no idea which people will fall on either side of the spectrum until their life is over. Even then, history remembers people differently at different times or based on different viewpoints, so person X could be viewed as saving hundreds of lives or as killing hundreds of lives.

lungs (2)
kidneys (2)
liver (several depending but for the average Farker, probably better off skipping the liver)
skin (multiple)
heart (1)

maybe just shy of a dozen. Still a ton of people.

Fine. So what about the rest of my comment? Should we force people that we deem unable to save a dozen people outside of forcible organ donation to die even though we almost certainly can't judge that?

no, why would we do that?

Because it serves as a nice way to call out your comment as being stupid.

how so? It is certainly a most rare breed of person who will be directly responsible for saving 12 people's lives over the course of their own. So even if we do wind up killing off a few people who might save 25 people from a burning building or something similar, on net the needs of the many will have been outweighed by the needs of the few. Perhaps we could just breed specific people for such a purpose? See, the statement you're defending is incredibly dumb and, by association, your defense of it is also incredibly dumb but I guess we can pretend you won if it increases your utility.


I don't think it's a dumb statement. I do think reducing it to only life-and-death terms is pretty ridiculous though. William Shakespeare arguably enriched millions, if not billions, of lives through his writings, but I doubt he saved even one life directly (unless you count stopping the Carrionites from taking over Earth and murdering all mankind). Would the world have been better off if he had instead killed himself and given his organs to a dozen people?
 
2013-05-21 05:21:55 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: But when you have people trapped in a building and the local Ace Hardware has a load of shovels and pickaxes the math becomes very simple


Here's a case in point: I'm sure this works wonders for a single-story building surrounded by lots of land. But try digging people out of a collapsed multi-story urban apartment building with shovels and pickaxes and get back to me.
 
2013-05-21 05:23:44 PM  

Serious Black: I don't think it's a dumb statement. I do think reducing it to only life-and-death terms is pretty ridiculous though. William Shakespeare arguably enriched millions, if not billions, of lives through his writings, but I doubt he saved even one life directly (unless you count stopping the Carrionites from taking over Earth and murdering all mankind). Would the world have been better off if he had instead killed himself and given his organs to a dozen people?


maybe? Because maybe one of those 12 would have gone on to give rise to the person who cures cancer?
Or maybe we can just agree that absolute utilitarianism is immoral horseshiat? Let's just do that.
 
2013-05-21 05:24:26 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Jackson Herring: it's weird to see one's catchphrase turned into a headline

Ha, I assumed it was your submission.

But yeah, fark this dipshiat.

Thankfully the people of Oklahoma can always rely on the superior morality of non-republicans.


Pretty much that.  What I hope, however, is that someone makes a speech in Congress effectively telling Inhofe and Coburn to go fark themselves because, unlike the both of them, the American people have a bigger heart.
 
2013-05-21 05:25:17 PM  
theorellior:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: But when you have people trapped in a building and the local Ace Hardware has a load of shovels and pickaxes the math becomes very simple

Here's a case in point: I'm sure this works wonders for a single-story building surrounded by lots of land. But try digging people out of a collapsed multi-story urban apartment building with shovels and pickaxes and get back to me.


The math *is* simple. He's a LSoS, and speaks loudly about things he knows nothing about.
 
2013-05-21 05:25:27 PM  

tlchwi02: ItchyMcDoogle: With all that said the people of Oklahoma deserve every bit of help from the Govt and everyone. Just because they have a bunch of GOP cockbags representing them in Washington is no reason to let them suffer at all. Even though I really really doubt it I do hope that the Senators who cut and tried to deny funding for Sandy see how hypocritical they are when the vote for funds to help the people of Oklahoma

i disagree with that. They vote every year to try and make it so the government isn't there to help them, then they come crying for a hand out everytime something happens and the rest of us dig in and help. I say this time, we don't. If you have a spoiled child, you dont keep rewarding their bad behavior. these people are spoiled children. If they had to reap what they sowed, maybe they'd stop sowing it


Perhaps we should recite the parable about the grasshopper and the ant for these guys?

People love being all bootstrappy until they get themselves into trouble.  Then suddenly it's gimme gimme gimme. I'd bet my retirement savings that there isn't more than a handful of those types of people out there who refused food stamps, or emergency health care, or unemployment checks when they found themselves in trouble.
 
2013-05-21 05:26:29 PM  

Serious Black: unless you count stopping the Carrionites from taking over Earth and murdering all mankind


To be fair, he only deserves part of the credit for that. Still worth at least three livers, though, I'd say.
 
2013-05-21 05:26:38 PM  

Muta: I sooooo hope someone puts does one of those anonymous filibusters on the bill just for the lolz.


I thought about this, but thinking WWJD overcame my more base instincts. That would be wrong. Even though the Republicans don't get it and will NEVER get it, that doesn't matter. Those folks need our help.
 
2013-05-21 05:26:49 PM  

steverockson: It woudl be awesome if a Democratic senator put a hold on the Oklahoma tornado relief bill with the stipulation that if Inhofe get on his knees in front of the senate and beg forgiveness for being a complete asshole to the people in the Northeast that the bill would be allowed to pass.

/Infhofe is my senator.
//He's a complete embarrassment to the state.


Nah, I'll be happy with a Democratic Senator making a speech in Congress showing how hypocritical both Inhofe and Coburn are.

Better yet, let Murkowski from Alaska pwn the both of them.
 
2013-05-21 05:27:25 PM  

s2s2s2: Dog Welder: s2s2s2: So what of this Virgin Islands pork he mentioned?

Are these so-called Virgin Islands anywhere near Whore Island?

Yeah, but you gotta go through the Virgin Islands a whole bunch of times to get to 'em.


i.qkme.me
 
2013-05-21 05:27:56 PM  

Serious Black: skullkrusher: Serious Black: If we assume that all those organ donations really do save a life (I'd dispute it in some of the organs you named), I agree that could be true, but we really have no idea which people will fall on either side of the spectrum until their life is over. Even then, history remembers people differently at different times or based on different viewpoints, so person X could be viewed as saving hundreds of lives or as killing hundreds of lives.

lungs (2)
kidneys (2)
liver (several depending but for the average Farker, probably better off skipping the liver)
skin (multiple)
heart (1)

maybe just shy of a dozen. Still a ton of people.

Fine. So what about the rest of my comment? Should we force people that we deem unable to save a dozen people outside of forcible organ donation to die even though we almost certainly can't judge that?


I think it's best to just agree with skullkrusher that the original summary of the liberal point of view was stupid.  I mean, when I read it I cringed at how stupid it was.
 
2013-05-21 05:28:51 PM  

lennavan: Serious Black: skullkrusher: Serious Black: If we assume that all those organ donations really do save a life (I'd dispute it in some of the organs you named), I agree that could be true, but we really have no idea which people will fall on either side of the spectrum until their life is over. Even then, history remembers people differently at different times or based on different viewpoints, so person X could be viewed as saving hundreds of lives or as killing hundreds of lives.

lungs (2)
kidneys (2)
liver (several depending but for the average Farker, probably better off skipping the liver)
skin (multiple)
heart (1)

maybe just shy of a dozen. Still a ton of people.

Fine. So what about the rest of my comment? Should we force people that we deem unable to save a dozen people outside of forcible organ donation to die even though we almost certainly can't judge that?

I think it's best to just agree with skullkrusher that the original summary of the liberal point of view was stupid.  I mean, when I read it I cringed at how stupid it was.


it's always best to just agree with me. Wouldn't you agree?

/do it, whore
 
2013-05-21 05:30:58 PM  

skullkrusher: Granny_Panties: Liberals: The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one.

Republicans: Me. It's all about me.

I'll go ahead and post this twice in one day...

first of all, that's vulcan.


Yet, still appropriate because it's about helping everyone.  Something utterly alien in Republicans.

Second of all, strict utilitarianism is an abomination.

That.
 
2013-05-21 05:31:21 PM  

skullkrusher: how so? It is certainly a most rare breed of person who will be directly responsible for saving 12 people's lives over the course of their own. So even if we do wind up killing off a few people who might save 25 people from a burning building or something similar, on net the needs of the many will have been outweighed by the needs of the few. Perhaps we could just breed specific people for such a purpose? See, the statement you're defending is incredibly dumb and, by association, your defense of it is also incredibly dumb but I guess we can pretend you won if it increases your utility.


You're ignoring the premise of the statement as generally presented by socialist theorists, which is that the many and the few or the one must all have roughly equal interest in the outcome for the statement to apply. You're presenting a situation where the interests in the  outcome are decidedly unequal, even on a hypothetical basis. Certain otherwise-unecessary death for one is not equivalent to the increased risk of death of another due to disease, or even of several others. There are always going to be organs available from death due to mischance that don't require deliberately murdering someone; it's riskier, but not a guaranteed death sentence.

Even still there have been cases where people have made that choice, as when one soldier jumps on a grenade, guaranteeing his own death to spare his compatriots - an action which is perfectly sensible from a utilitarian perspective, but irrational from self-serving one.

So no, the statement is not incredibly dumb. It just isn't a simplistic talking point, and requires that the context in which it is presented not as what is effectively a strawman argument. Unequal interests in the outcomes mean a more complex analysis based on an elaboration of the basic concept is necessary - and utilitarianism does allow for that. Note that I am not myself a utilitarian, but you are nonetheless misrepresenting the philosophy in a much too simplistic fashion.
 
2013-05-21 05:32:53 PM  

skullkrusher: neversubmit: skullkrusher: Granny_Panties: Liberals: The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one.

Republicans: Me. It's all about me.

I'll go ahead and post this twice in one day...

first of all, that's vulcans. Second of all, strict utilitarianism is an abomination.

You are the one that brought strict utilitarianism in to it. Are you having an argument with yourself?

"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or that one" is a absolutist statement. If you subscribe to that, I encourage you to donate both lungs, heart, kidneys, liver, eyes and skin post haste so that no time would be wasted in serving the needs of the many.


What makes you think I haven't already done that with my driver's license?
 
2013-05-21 05:33:32 PM  

skullkrusher: it's always best to just agree with me. Wouldn't you agree?

/do it, whore


Shiat kills my soul.
 
2013-05-21 05:33:35 PM  
God destroys you and the feds bail you out.  Perhaps your priorities could stand some scrutiny.
 
2013-05-21 05:34:10 PM  

lennavan: Serious Black: skullkrusher: Serious Black: If we assume that all those organ donations really do save a life (I'd dispute it in some of the organs you named), I agree that could be true, but we really have no idea which people will fall on either side of the spectrum until their life is over. Even then, history remembers people differently at different times or based on different viewpoints, so person X could be viewed as saving hundreds of lives or as killing hundreds of lives.

lungs (2)
kidneys (2)
liver (several depending but for the average Farker, probably better off skipping the liver)
skin (multiple)
heart (1)

maybe just shy of a dozen. Still a ton of people.

Fine. So what about the rest of my comment? Should we force people that we deem unable to save a dozen people outside of forcible organ donation to die even though we almost certainly can't judge that?

I think it's best to just agree with skullkrusher that the original summary of the liberal point of view was stupid.  I mean, when I read it I cringed at how stupid it was.


I have no idea what that summary is. Should I religiously read every single post in a thread before I make a comment?
 
2013-05-21 05:34:44 PM  

Rwa2play: What makes you think I haven't already done that with my driver's license?


He means right now.  Unless of course you think your personal needs outweigh the needs of 12 people currently waiting on organ transplants.  What kind of jackass are you?!
 
2013-05-21 05:34:54 PM  

lennavan: Serious Black: skullkrusher: Serious Black: If we assume that all those organ donations really do save a life (I'd dispute it in some of the organs you named), I agree that could be true, but we really have no idea which people will fall on either side of the spectrum until their life is over. Even then, history remembers people differently at different times or based on different viewpoints, so person X could be viewed as saving hundreds of lives or as killing hundreds of lives.

lungs (2)
kidneys (2)
liver (several depending but for the average Farker, probably better off skipping the liver)
skin (multiple)
heart (1)

maybe just shy of a dozen. Still a ton of people.

Fine. So what about the rest of my comment? Should we force people that we deem unable to save a dozen people outside of forcible organ donation to die even though we almost certainly can't judge that?

I think it's best to just agree with skullkrusher that the original summary of the liberal point of view was stupid.  I mean, when I read it I cringed at how stupid it was.


He also gets bonus points for saying "bald faced liar".

For some reason a large number of people think it's "bold faced".
 
2013-05-21 05:38:52 PM  

theorellior: In a disaster area there's so much to pick and choose from. There were also orders of magnitude more people affected in both NOLA and NYC than in Oklahoma, so the response logistics are quite a bit different. You just happen to pick the bootstrappy portions of your disaster experience and the lazy moocher portions of disasters you didn't have any personal experience with. It's something called selection bias. It's especially prevalent when it just happens to align with your ideological mythologies.


You also have orders of magnitude more local structure and (should) have orders of magnitude more helpers. I'm not calling the people who need help moochers, that's you, I'm saying that local government in connection with average citizens are the primary and best way to handle these things.

And Ace Hardware wasn't the only company to step to the plate. United Equipment was there as well with the heavy equipment. But since you're an expert on search and rescue you know that the first thing you do is get the bulldozer in there and start throw large pieces of concrete around! Yes siree!! You get those big pieces of equipment in there and start bringing it out by the bucket full.

img5.imageshack.us
 
2013-05-21 05:39:15 PM  

Serious Black: I have no idea what that summary is. Should I religiously read every single post in a thread before I make a comment?


Whoa WTF dude?  I'll spare you the snark.  Search the thread for "Liberals: The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one. "  See how many times it was quoted in your own posts.

I'm not demanding you religiously read every single post in the thread.  But it'd be good if you read your own.
 
2013-05-21 05:39:29 PM  

KiltedBastich: skullkrusher: how so? It is certainly a most rare breed of person who will be directly responsible for saving 12 people's lives over the course of their own. So even if we do wind up killing off a few people who might save 25 people from a burning building or something similar, on net the needs of the many will have been outweighed by the needs of the few. Perhaps we could just breed specific people for such a purpose? See, the statement you're defending is incredibly dumb and, by association, your defense of it is also incredibly dumb but I guess we can pretend you won if it increases your utility.

You're ignoring the premise of the statement as generally presented by socialist theorists, which is that the many and the few or the one must all have roughly equal interest in the outcome for the statement to apply. You're presenting a situation where the interests in the  outcome are decidedly unequal, even on a hypothetical basis. Certain otherwise-unecessary death for one is not equivalent to the increased risk of death of another due to disease, or even of several others. There are always going to be organs available from death due to mischance that don't require deliberately murdering someone; it's riskier, but not a guaranteed death sentence.

Even still there have been cases where people have made that choice, as when one soldier jumps on a grenade, guaranteeing his own death to spare his compatriots - an action which is perfectly sensible from a utilitarian perspective, but irrational from self-serving one.

So no, the statement is not incredibly dumb. It just isn't a simplistic talking point, and requires that the context in which it is presented not as what is effectively a strawman argument. Unequal interests in the outcomes mean a more complex analysis based on an elaboration of the basic concept is necessary - and utilitarianism does allow for that. Note that I am not myself a utilitarian, but you are nonetheless misrepresenting the philosophy in a much t ...


upload.wikimedia.org

Ergo, vis-a-vis...
 
2013-05-21 05:42:38 PM  

maxheck: Maud Dib:

Serious Black:

This article explains the problems with getting people underground in Oklahoma better than I could in two lines.

FTA...If the suburbs keep expanding, Paul Douglas put it, "we're going to see more of this."

Sooo many cheap suburban housing developments around Central Texas. When we get hit (not if), there will be considerable carnage.

Having done work for a friend and her sons in that general area, yeah. Evidently you guys lived under Somali rules for a while.

From what I understand you guys actually have gotten together to accept building codes recently, but yeah.


It's not that they are below "code" , it's that they are close together, and 90% of them are crap siding, no brick or stone for protection.

Kinda like these...all former pasture with no wind breaks.



img.photobucket.com
 
2013-05-21 05:43:33 PM  

lennavan: Serious Black: I have no idea what that summary is. Should I religiously read every single post in a thread before I make a comment?

Whoa WTF dude?  I'll spare you the snark.  Search the thread for "Liberals: The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one. "  See how many times it was quoted in your own posts.

I'm not demanding you religiously read every single post in the thread.  But it'd be good if you read your own.


Meh. I skimmed over that statement that is no more or less controversial than many political talking points. I instead focused on his ridiculous call for people to commit seppuku because they'll never be able to directly save 12 lives and that's the benchmark for having a worthwhile life.
 
2013-05-21 05:43:48 PM  

nocturnal001: Perhaps we should recite the parable about the grasshopper and the ant for these guys?

People love being all bootstrappy until they get themselves into trouble. Then suddenly it's gimme gimme gimme. I'd bet my retirement savings that there isn't more than a handful of those types of people out there who refused food stamps, or emergency health care, or unemployment checks when they found themselves in trouble.


its not that i am unsympathetic to their plight in general terms... its just hard to have them screaming about small government come election time or anytime we in the northeast would like to do something, and then screaming that i need to give them money to rebuild them and if i object (because they said my area wasn't good enough to get money when we had troubles) i'm the jerk. As far as i'm concerned, if they're so bootstrappy when a hurricane hits the coast, you can be just as bootstrappy when a tornado hits the plains. Otherwise why would they ever stop?
 
2013-05-21 05:45:26 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I'm not calling the people who need help moochers, that's you, I'm saying that local government in connection with average citizens are the primary and best way to handle these things.


Called on your bullshiat, and you try to put it on me? I don't think so. In every post you've been smugly patting yourself and your locale on the back with being so much better than those East Coast liberals living in filth until the feds came to bail them out. FOAD, and EABOD while you're at it.

Look, pardner, local efforts are fine and dandy, but the whole point of a disaster is that it's bigger than one community can deal with. That's what government is for--to concentrate capital and funds to a level unavailable by any individual entity. And, like it or not, United Equipment isn't gonna run their earth movers for long without some kind of help, either in money, fuel or relief. I'll gladly help them out with my tax dollars. Just make sure you're well out of the way so you don't accidentally receive any help from a liberal.
 
2013-05-21 05:45:59 PM  
 

skullkrusher: The fact that the Red Cross has spent $200,000,000 on relief efforts, 1700 volunteers across 16 states and sheltered 11,000 people and STILL are working with 9,000 families to help them get back on their feet while the 12-12-12 concert raised $30,000,000 for relief not to mention all the smaller "capitalist" charities that have also taken part in the efforts allows me to say with a high degree of certainty that these "capitalist" charities have done more for Sandy relief than the well-meaning but far smaller and less well funded, disorganized "leftist" efforts.


img825.imageshack.us
 
2013-05-21 05:47:03 PM  

MrSteve007: One would think that in an area of the country dubbed "Tornado Alley" - that you guys would at least build elementary schools with basements or some form of a shelter, other than an interior hallway.

While folks lobby for gun legislation in this country in an attempt to prevent another Sandyhook - why aren't folks demanding a basic change to the way we design and build public schools - to prevent another Plaza Towers?

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/oh, that's right - demanding better building codes for public structures isn't nearly as sexy as "assault" weapons.


The only thing that stops a bad guy with a tornado is a good guy with a tornado.

Seriously, though:

In Oklahoma, safe rooms can save lives

Nearly 100 men, women and children crowded shoulder-to-shoulder into a six-year-old, above-ground, concrete-reinforced safe room adjacent to the Tushka pre-school. A block away, about 100 other residents, their kids and their dogs in tow, rushed into the 90-year-old, below-ground, public shelter -- 45-feet long and shaped like a tube, with dirt floors and steel doors at either end.
 
2013-05-21 05:49:22 PM  
Maud Dib:

maxheck: Maud Dib:

Serious Black:

This article explains the problems with getting people underground in Oklahoma better than I could in two lines.

FTA...If the suburbs keep expanding, Paul Douglas put it, "we're going to see more of this."

Sooo many cheap suburban housing developments around Central Texas. When we get hit (not if), there will be considerable carnage.

Having done work for a friend and her sons in that general area, yeah. Evidently you guys lived under Somali rules for a while.

From what I understand you guys actually have gotten together to accept building codes recently, but yeah.

It's not that they are below "code" , it's that they are close together, and 90% of them are crap siding, no brick or stone for protection.

Kinda like these...all former pasture with no wind breaks.


So, what you're saying that they're close together, crap-sided, unprotected former pasture with no wind breaks AND below code?
 
2013-05-21 05:52:43 PM  
This is a great opportunity for New Jersey's senators to get even.  They should stand in front of the senate and say, "Despite the extremist and hateful attitudes of Oklahoma's senators directed at the people of the Northeast during their hour of need, we believe that all unfortunate people are deserving of help, so of course we will vote for a generous aid package for the victims of the recent Oklahoma tornado".

That'll teach 'em.

/Whom am I kidding?
 
2013-05-21 05:52:57 PM  

Serious Black: lennavan: Serious Black: I have no idea what that summary is. Should I religiously read every single post in a thread before I make a comment?

Whoa WTF dude?  I'll spare you the snark.  Search the thread for "Liberals: The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one. "  See how many times it was quoted in your own posts.

I'm not demanding you religiously read every single post in the thread.  But it'd be good if you read your own.

Meh. I skimmed over that statement that is no more or less controversial than many political talking points. I instead focused on his ridiculous call for people to commit seppuku because they'll never be able to directly save 12 lives and that's the benchmark for having a worthwhile life.



His "ridiculous call" was a tongue-in-cheek attempt at demonstrating how stupid the original summary of the liberal viewpoint really was.  If you actually believe that summary, then it would reason liberals would be killing themselves.  They aren't, that's stupid, therefore the original summary is stupid.
 
2013-05-21 05:56:56 PM  

The Why Not Guy: Muta: I sooooo hope someone puts does one of those anonymous filibusters on the bill just for the lolz.

No. People need that help right now. We're better than Republicans. Let's stay that way.


Republicans need to experience negative consequences to their douchebaggery.  I fully approve of Oklahoma tornado relief being blocked as punishment for Sandy.  If Republicans want politics to be a zero-sum game, that's how we have to play it.  To hell with all of them.
 
2013-05-21 05:59:39 PM  
 
2013-05-21 06:01:02 PM  
JesusJuice:

The Why Not Guy: Muta: I sooooo hope someone puts does one of those anonymous filibusters on the bill just for the lolz.

No. People need that help right now. We're better than Republicans. Let's stay that way.

Republicans need to experience negative consequences to their douchebaggery. I fully approve of Oklahoma tornado relief being blocked as punishment for Sandy. If Republicans want politics to be a zero-sum game, that's how we have to play it. To hell with all of them.


I wouldn't go that far, but if it were entered into the congressional record ever after as the "Jim Inhoef is a hypocritcal slut Act" I wouldn't complain.
 
2013-05-21 06:02:01 PM  

EvilEgg: Yeah, a tornado is completely different from a hurricane.


And pork is completely different than steak.  How about we just apportion it to death toll?
 
2013-05-21 06:08:03 PM  

theorellior: Called on your bullshiat, and you try to put it on me? I don't think so. In every post you've been smugly patting yourself and your locale on the back with being so much better than those East Coast liberals living in filth until the feds came to bail them out. FOAD, and EABOD while you're at it.


What you read into it is on you. Not me.

theorellior: Look, pardner, local efforts are fine and dandy, but the whole point of a disaster is that it's bigger than one community can deal with. That's what government is for--to concentrate capital and funds to a level unavailable by any individual entity. And, like it or not, United Equipment isn't gonna run their earth movers for long without some kind of help, either in money, fuel or relief. I'll gladly help them out with my tax dollars. Just make sure you're well out of the way so you don't accidentally receive any help from a liberal.


You better believe that people arn't going to do things for free for long. Never ask them to. What they did in those first few hours was the very definition of generosity! However there comes a point when the helpers go home and the generosity gives way to fatigue. That's when the professionals take over and the mass of the work gets done. But you don't need federal government for that. You have insurance and other what-nots to cover that cost.

And I was in a college town, I promise you liberals and conservatives were there in the mud together and we didn't give a flying fark about who voted for who and who liked donkeys more than elephants on that night.
 
2013-05-21 06:19:38 PM  

JesusJuice: Republicans need to experience negative consequences to their douchebaggery.  I fully approve of Oklahoma tornado relief being blocked as punishment for Sandy.  If Republicans want politics to be a zero-sum game, that's how we have to play it.  To hell with all of them.


No. I will not let them drag me to their level. My dignity and self-respect are too precious to throw away to save a few dollars or make a point that will be lost on them anyway.
 
2013-05-21 06:21:35 PM  

maxheck: JesusJuice:

The Why Not Guy: Muta: I sooooo hope someone puts does one of those anonymous filibusters on the bill just for the lolz.

No. People need that help right now. We're better than Republicans. Let's stay that way.

Republicans need to experience negative consequences to their douchebaggery. I fully approve of Oklahoma tornado relief being blocked as punishment for Sandy. If Republicans want politics to be a zero-sum game, that's how we have to play it. To hell with all of them.

I wouldn't go that far, but if it were entered into the congressional record ever after as the "Jim Inhoef is a hypocritcal slut Act" I wouldn't complain.


The people of Oklahoma elected the pols that blocked Sandy relief.  They deserve to suffer for it.

Again, to hell with all of them.
 
2013-05-21 06:23:37 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: You better believe that people arn't going to do things for free for long. Never ask them to.

You have insurance and other what-nots to cover that cost.


Have you ever waited for an insurance check in a disaster situation? People aren't going to do things for free for long (even if they have the ability or resources to do so), and that time will come to an end long before the insurance check arrives.
 
2013-05-21 06:25:41 PM  

JesusJuice: The people of Oklahoma elected the pols that blocked Sandy relief. They deserve to suffer for it.


Maybe they do, but I don't care. I'm going to do the right thing anyway.
 
2013-05-21 06:31:31 PM  

The Why Not Guy: JesusJuice: The people of Oklahoma elected the pols that blocked Sandy relief. They deserve to suffer for it.

Maybe they do, but I don't care. I'm going to do the right thing anyway.


You have a very narrow view of the "right thing."  I believe the right thing is to force them to empathize with the people they wronged by making them experience firsthand the pain they caused.  There need to be consequences for bad behavior to discourage that behavior in the future.  In the end, I believe this approach will produce more net good than disaster relief will.

The schadenfreude is just a side-benefit.
 
2013-05-21 06:31:35 PM  
Looks like it's up to the blue states to step up and be better people than the Congresscritters from Oklahoma.

/not to mention being much better at basic Christianity.  You know: Charity, Compassion, Peace, etc.
//Also, you guys need to stop responding to Skullkrusher.  I know he's a troll, but seriously, I think he is becoming dangerously disconnected from reality.  Like Ted Nugent level of dangerously disconnected from reality.
 
2013-05-21 06:36:32 PM  

skullkrusher: neversubmit: skullkrusher: neversubmit: skullkrusher: neversubmit: skullkrusher: Granny_Panties: Liberals: The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one.

Republicans: Me. It's all about me.

I'll go ahead and post this twice in one day...

first of all, that's vulcans. Second of all, strict utilitarianism is an abomination.

You are the one that brought strict utilitarianism in to it. Are you having an argument with yourself?

"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or that one" is a absolutist statement. If you subscribe to that, I encourage you to donate both lungs, heart, kidneys, liver, eyes and skin post haste so that no time would be wasted in serving the needs of the many.

You point being that you don't know the meaning of an absolutist statement. I encourage you to look it up.

ab·so·lut·ism
n.1. a. A political theory holding that all power should be vested in one ruler or other authority.b. A form of government in which all power is vested in a single ruler or other authority.2. An absolute doctrine, principle, or standard.ab·so·luteadjective \ˈab-sə-ˌlüt, ˌab-sə-ˈ\Definition of ABSOLUTE1a : free from imperfection
...4: having no restriction, exception, or qualification no charge.

Yes I know you don't know what an absolutist statement is and now I know you don't know look stuff up. Were you trying to make some other point?

Absolutist statement. A statement without qualification. Why are you insisting on kicking your own ass here man?
Again:

ab·so·lut·ism  (
n.1. a. A political theory holding that all power should be vested in one ruler or other authority.b. A form of government in which all power is vested in a single ruler or other authority.2. An absolute doctrine, principle, or standard.Would you have preferred I'd said "absolutistic"? Is that the great internet victory you're going for?


Absolutism does not equal absolutist statement it's sad you can't tell thedifference. As for what I'm going for well that would entertainment which I got thanks to you. So, thank you!
 
2013-05-21 06:40:48 PM  
I heard on Alex Jones that the tornado was a false flag operation.  Damn you Obama!
 
2013-05-21 06:40:58 PM  
Well, apparently, commenting on the speed with which the GOP will come asking for aid from the Evil Federal Government is a delicate thing.  One should always be careful not to ask 'too soon'.
 
2013-05-21 06:44:54 PM  

MisterRonbo: I heard on Alex Jones that the tornado was a false flag operation.  Damn you Obama!


Alex Jones is actually blaming it on a "weather machine".

Really:  http://www.salon.com/2013/05/21/alex_jones_admits_government_may_not_ h ave_caused_tornadoes/
 
2013-05-21 06:45:44 PM  

MisterRonbo: I heard on Alex Jones that the tornado was a false flag operation.  Damn you Obama!


No, it was a real tornado alright. Just one that was directed to OK by Obama's weather control machines.
 
2013-05-21 06:47:16 PM  

Zeppelininthesky: MisterRonbo: I heard on Alex Jones that the tornado was a false flag operation.  Damn you Obama!

Alex Jones is actually blaming it on a "weather machine".

Really:  http://www.salon.com/2013/05/21/alex_jones_admits_government_may_not_ h ave_caused_tornadoes/


Wrong article...

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/05/21/alex-jones-explains-how-gover n ment-weather-weap/194167
 
2013-05-21 06:54:44 PM  

SunsetLament: QUESTION: Are the Republicans packing the Oklahoma aid bill (that doesn't exist yet) with $60 billion of pork that has nothing to do with emergency disaster relief?


How about "how much are oil companies who lost nothing are going to get new drilling equipment and other kickbacks?" Look at this guy's record. He will try to shove as much as he can for oil companies, and very little for schools. He may even try to leave out the schools altogether. He's famous for trying to prevent testing for lead paint in schools and public housing.
 
2013-05-21 07:16:01 PM  
Let them suffer.
 
2013-05-21 07:30:07 PM  
I'm finally fully back on line.  Both of my Senators are rancid piss golems.  While they dick around in Washington, the people of Oklahoma are stepping up and taking care of business.  Fark both of assholes.
 
2013-05-21 07:39:24 PM  
I'd be mad, but they need the money. Lets not punish the people who were effected.

/home flooded by hurricane sandy
//going to go through the house tomorrow to see what we can send out to help
///definitely toothbrushes. We received so many toothbrushes.
 
2013-05-21 07:46:40 PM  

theorellior: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I'm not calling the people who need help moochers, that's you, I'm saying that local government in connection with average citizens are the primary and best way to handle these things.

Called on your bullshiat, and you try to put it on me? I don't think so. In every post you've been smugly patting yourself and your locale on the back with being so much better than those East Coast liberals living in filth until the feds came to bail them out. FOAD, and EABOD while you're at it.

Look, pardner, local efforts are fine and dandy, but the whole point of a disaster is that it's bigger than one community can deal with. That's what government is for--to concentrate capital and funds to a level unavailable by any individual entity. And, like it or not, United Equipment isn't gonna run their earth movers for long without some kind of help, either in money, fuel or relief. I'll gladly help them out with my tax dollars. Just make sure you're well out of the way so you don't accidentally receive any help from a liberal.


Don't forget that he also said that the responses to Katrina and Sandy were exactly the same.
 
2013-05-21 07:50:34 PM  

5monkeys: I'd be mad, but they need the money. Lets not punish the people who were effected.

/home flooded by hurricane sandy
//going to go through the house tomorrow to see what we can send out to help
///definitely toothbrushes. We received so many toothbrushes.


Ok. But they should sign a pledge to stop voting for assholes who are against disaster relief. The hypocrisy is just mind boggling.
 
2013-05-21 08:07:18 PM  

coeyagi: [pagead2.googlesyndication.com image 300x250]

The ad sense on this page is trolling us.  It's BIG GOVERNMENT AND BIG CAPITALISM!


I don't think adsense is a computer program. I've become convinced there's a live person with a really sick sense of humor posting each and every ad for these things. Cackling madly the while.
 
2013-05-21 08:07:57 PM  

MrSteve007: One would think that in an area of the country dubbed "Tornado Alley" - that you guys would at least build elementary schools with basements or some form of a shelter, other than an interior hallway.

While folks lobby for gun legislation in this country in an attempt to prevent another Sandyhook - why aren't folks demanding a basic change to the way we design and build public schools - to prevent another Plaza Towers?

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/oh, that's right - demanding better building codes for public structures isn't nearly as sexy as "assault" weapons.


This may have been addressed, but I have to.

Did you miss Obama's entire campaign on building from the ground up, starting with infrastructure such as schools, roads and bridges?

I'm going to go ahead and assume you missed that and the part where the GOP countered that's all pork and wasteful, big government spending.
 
2013-05-21 08:13:33 PM  
How dare he point out blindly allocating funds without a real measure of true costs is a stupid way to fund emergency management.  How dare he point out that the 99 tornado recovery was paid for in 4 different appropriation bills as actual costs emerge.  HOW DARE HE.

I'm sure a liberal can show me the math showing Sandy caused exactly 70 billion dollars in damage, that there will be no fraud/waste there.

Why do liberals think it has to be prepaid, why not get actual costs... then refund.  Shocking theory I know.
 
2013-05-21 08:17:04 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: theorellior: LOL. Don't stop believing.

So you don't remember the people getting pulled off the roofs in New Orleans or the people living in their own filth in New York?


I remember young volunteers delivering food to the elderly in high rise buildings while climbing pitch black stairwells to reach them. Not sure how they would have fixed the electrical grid or major metropolitan sewage systems. Just needed longer bootstraps?
 
2013-05-21 08:22:15 PM  

theorellior: Can I just say that I'm gonna open my wallet for the poor farkers in Moore who got their houses razed by a giant wind lawnmower? Even though I live in Boston, the libbiest libby city that ever libbed a lib? And do you know why that is? BECAUSE IT'S THE FARKING UNITED STATES AND WE LOOK AFTER OUR OWN, MOTHERFARKER!

Fark these farksticks in the farking ass.


fark yeah dude. Right on!
 
2013-05-21 08:24:59 PM  

lennavan: Rwa2play: What makes you think I haven't already done that with my driver's license?

He means right now.  Unless of course you think your personal needs outweigh the needs of 12 people currently waiting on organ transplants.  What kind of jackass are you?!


You think they're just 12?
 
2013-05-21 08:25:18 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: clambam: Really? So those businesses just gave away the tools and equipment, took the financial hit for the benefit of their neighbors? No? They got reimbursed by the federal government you say? Actually I doubt they did because I suspect you just made the whole story up. Because if you're going to be a greedy self-serving hypocrite, you might as well go whole hog and be a lying greedy self-serving hypocrite.

Project much?

I know it's hard to understand people helping other people. I know you believe that someone in the federal government has to take from someone to give to another. But when you have people trapped in a building and the local Ace Hardware has a load of shovels and pickaxes the math becomes very simple. The local Denny's throws up the doors and starts cooking eggs and hamburgers as fast as they can and generally people get down to work. Next thing you know tractor trailers full of baby formula, diapers and bottled water. It's really heart warming.


I'm not projecting. I'm calling you a liar. How 'bout them apples?
 
2013-05-21 08:27:24 PM  

MyRandomName: Why do liberals think it has to be prepaid, why not get actual costs... then refund. Shocking theory I know.


If the money isn't all used would it not go back to the coffers, and if so then what's the difference? More importantly, why always wait for an actual disaster to make this point?
 
2013-05-21 08:48:49 PM  

chuggernaught: Looks like it's up to the blue states to step up and be better people than the Congresscritters from Oklahoma.

/not to mention being much better at basic Christianity.  You know: Charity, Compassion, Peace, etc.
//Also, you guys need to stop responding to Skullkrusher.  I know he's a troll, but seriously, I think he is becoming dangerously disconnected from reality.  Like Ted Nugent level of dangerously disconnected from reality.


I know you don't care to elaborate because you're talking entirely out of yours ass so I just wanted to point out that you will cowardly decline to elaborate and if you do, your "explanation" will be a laughably dishonest characterization of what I've said that paints you as either an inveterate liar or an illiterate. Good luck.
 
2013-05-21 08:49:20 PM  

Fissile: This is a great opportunity for New Jersey's senators to get even.  They should stand in front of the senate and say, "Despite the extremist and hateful attitudes of Oklahoma's senators directed at the people of the Northeast during their hour of need, we believe that all unfortunate people are deserving of help, so of course we will vote for a generous aid package for the victims of the recent Oklahoma tornado".

That'll teach 'em.

/Whom am I kidding?


It would be beautiful if they did that, and they should! But today's GOP has no heart, no soul and no conscience. Its a point a frikken pride with these people! Nothing but ego maniacs who if engulfed in flame and a democrat said they are on fire and tried to save them they would disagree and refuse to be saved by a lib.
And if they do what Ann Coulter wants and others want ( and they will ) the strategy of slash and burn during the elections. Meaning putting anyone whos a Republican in office no matter who they are or what they stand for as long as there is a (R) in front of their name and nowhere near the center, its only going to get worse.
 
2013-05-21 08:52:14 PM  

neversubmit: ab·so·lut·ism (
n.1. a. A political theory holding that all power should be vested in one ruler or other authority.b. A form of government in which all power is vested in a single ruler or other authority.2. An absolute doctrine, principle, or standard.Would you have preferred I'd said "absolutistic"? Is that the great internet victory you're going for?

Absolutism does not equal absolutist statement it's sad you can't tell thedifference. As for what I'm going for well that would entertainment which I got thanks to you. So, thank you!


an absolutist statement. Again, would you have preferred it if I had said "absolutistic"? This is what you've found so entertaining? Let's be honest. You thought you were brighter than you are. You were gonna be the star - showing skullkrusher what's up... that didn't work out so you're just gonna pretend it did. Congrats. Now run along until next time you're feeling frisky
 
2013-05-21 08:58:49 PM  

skullkrusher: neversubmit: ab·so·lut·ism (
n.1. a. A political theory holding that all power should be vested in one ruler or other authority.b. A form of government in which all power is vested in a single ruler or other authority.2. An absolute doctrine, principle, or standard.Would you have preferred I'd said "absolutistic"? Is that the great internet victory you're going for?

Absolutism does not equal absolutist statement it's sad you can't tell thedifference. As for what I'm going for well that would entertainment which I got thanks to you. So, thank you!

an absolutist statement. Again, would you have preferred it if I had said "absolutistic"? This is what you've found so entertaining? Let's be honest. You thought you were brighter than you are. You were gonna be the star - showing skullkrusher what's up... that didn't work out so you're just gonna pretend it did. Congrats. Now run along until next time you're feeling frisky


Did you just bold your own name while using it in the third person?

Awesome.
 
2013-05-21 09:02:48 PM  

mpirooz: skullkrusher: neversubmit: ab·so·lut·ism (
n.1. a. A political theory holding that all power should be vested in one ruler or other authority.b. A form of government in which all power is vested in a single ruler or other authority.2. An absolute doctrine, principle, or standard.Would you have preferred I'd said "absolutistic"? Is that the great internet victory you're going for?

Absolutism does not equal absolutist statement it's sad you can't tell thedifference. As for what I'm going for well that would entertainment which I got thanks to you. So, thank you!

an absolutist statement. Again, would you have preferred it if I had said "absolutistic"? This is what you've found so entertaining? Let's be honest. You thought you were brighter than you are. You were gonna be the star - showing skullkrusher what's up... that didn't work out so you're just gonna pretend it did. Congrats. Now run along until next time you're feeling frisky

Did you just bold your own name while using it in the third person?

Awesome.


yeah, it's pretty common practice to bold handles. One's own or otherwise - it makes the posts easier to read. Is this outrageous too?
 
2013-05-21 09:07:21 PM  

skullkrusher: yeah, it's pretty common practice to bold handles. One's own or otherwise - it makes the posts easier to read. Is this outrageous too?


Outrageously awesome. I kind of pictured Jesus from Lebowski after Walter pulls his gun in the bowling alley.

/your panties, let me unwind them.. they seem to be in a bunch
 
2013-05-21 09:09:02 PM  

JesusJuice: I believe the right thing is to force them to empathize...

You realize we're talking about Republicans, right?

 
2013-05-21 09:09:45 PM  

Jackson Herring: it's weird to see one's catchphrase turned into a headline


Aye Caramba?
Eat my shorts?
Don't have a cow, man?
 
2013-05-21 09:09:56 PM  
1.media.collegehumor.cvcdn.com
 
2013-05-21 09:11:30 PM  

mpirooz: skullkrusher: yeah, it's pretty common practice to bold handles. One's own or otherwise - it makes the posts easier to read. Is this outrageous too?

Outrageously awesome. I kind of pictured Jesus from Lebowski after Walter pulls his gun in the bowling alley.

/your panties, let me unwind them.. they seem to be in a bunch


you should see me eat crackers
 
2013-05-21 09:12:36 PM  

The Why Not Guy: JesusJuice: I believe the right thing is to force them to empathize...

You realize we're talking about Republicans, right?


One of the symptoms of being a psychopath is the inability to emphasize with others . . .
 
2013-05-21 09:14:41 PM  

mpirooz: MyRandomName: Why do liberals think it has to be prepaid, why not get actual costs... then refund. Shocking theory I know.

If the money isn't all used would it not go back to the coffers, and if so then what's the difference? More importantly, why always wait for an actual disaster to make this point?


Why does anyone think it's acceptable to use dead people and people in dire need to make political points? Why do we have this argument every single time there is a hurricane in the east or a tornado in the midwest or an earthquake on the coast? Just change the names of the politicians proclaiming the bulldoodoo, and it's SSDD.

Someday, we'll go back to being the same country and the same people again: Just Americans and not liberals/conservatives. I hope it won't be because we got invaded by the Russians or someone, or because society actually collapsed due to famine or disease. But I'm not holding my breath.
 
2013-05-21 09:20:49 PM  

MyRandomName: How dare he point out blindly allocating funds without a real measure of true costs is a stupid way to fund emergency management.  How dare he point out that the 99 tornado recovery was paid for in 4 different appropriation bills as actual costs emerge.  HOW DARE HE.

I'm sure a liberal can show me the math showing Sandy caused exactly 70 billion dollars in damage, that there will be no fraud/waste there.

Why do liberals think it has to be prepaid, why not get actual costs... then refund.  Shocking theory I know.



You think that the costs were actually $70B? Like $70,000,000,000.00? That's hilarious.
 
2013-05-21 11:16:25 PM  

clambam: The Stealth Hippopotamus: clambam: Really? So those businesses just gave away the tools and equipment, took the financial hit for the benefit of their neighbors? No? They got reimbursed by the federal government you say? Actually I doubt they did because I suspect you just made the whole story up. Because if you're going to be a greedy self-serving hypocrite, you might as well go whole hog and be a lying greedy self-serving hypocrite.

Project much?

I know it's hard to understand people helping other people. I know you believe that someone in the federal government has to take from someone to give to another. But when you have people trapped in a building and the local Ace Hardware has a load of shovels and pickaxes the math becomes very simple. The local Denny's throws up the doors and starts cooking eggs and hamburgers as fast as they can and generally people get down to work. Next thing you know tractor trailers full of baby formula, diapers and bottled water. It's really heart warming.

I'm not projecting. I'm calling you a liar. How 'bout them apples?


On what grounds are you calling me a liar?! Just because you wouldn't/couldn't do something like that doesn't mean I wouldn't.

Okies take care of each other
 
2013-05-21 11:40:58 PM  
Maybe they can pray for help and magically it will show up.

No, they have rely on handouts again.  Red State complainers and leaches.

Clearly, the is no God; otherwise, these things wouldn't happen.  Just ask Pat Robertson.
 
2013-05-21 11:42:23 PM  
Oooooh, hey, another Salon link which I won't be clicking on.  I'll just have to live somehow.
 
2013-05-22 01:20:58 AM  
And the morons in Oklahoma and throughout the "heartland" who keep electing these shiatheads won't even consider the hypocrisy.
 
2013-05-22 01:41:08 AM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Okies take care of each other


So they don't need Federal aid then.
 
2013-05-22 01:57:26 AM  
The Stealth Hippopotamus:

You better believe that people arn't going to do things for free for long. Never ask them to. What they did in those first few hours was the very definition of generosity! However there comes a point when the helpers go home and the generosity gives way to fatigue. That's when the professionals take over and the mass of the work gets done. But you don't need federal government for that. You have insurance and other what-nots to cover that cost.

Insurance isn't going to cover everything, nor will it cover what it deigns to in a timely manner.

Additionally, for some of the larger disasters, 9/11, Katrina, 2008/9 financial collapse, Sandy, etc., they cried poverty, in that if they had to pay out all claims they'd be ruined, quickly, so without the government assistance money, people wouldn't get everything owed to them anyway.  So, it's nice, when an insurance company is going to fight you tooth and nail to pay out anything, or claim you're not covered for an Act-of-God, etc., something those fine establishments sometimes do, to have something to fall back on, especially in a time where disaster fatigue has set in for most of the rest of the country, and your main concern is sheltering and feeding your family, and you're the only person that seems to have that concern.
 
2013-05-22 02:10:18 AM  

clambam: The Stealth Hippopotamus: clambam: Really? So those businesses just gave away the tools and equipment, took the financial hit for the benefit of their neighbors? No? They got reimbursed by the federal government you say? Actually I doubt they did because I suspect you just made the whole story up. Because if you're going to be a greedy self-serving hypocrite, you might as well go whole hog and be a lying greedy self-serving hypocrite.

Project much?

I know it's hard to understand people helping other people. I know you believe that someone in the federal government has to take from someone to give to another. But when you have people trapped in a building and the local Ace Hardware has a load of shovels and pickaxes the math becomes very simple. The local Denny's throws up the doors and starts cooking eggs and hamburgers as fast as they can and generally people get down to work. Next thing you know tractor trailers full of baby formula, diapers and bottled water. It's really heart warming.

I'm not projecting. I'm calling you a liar. How 'bout them apples?


I know something in this screed is making me throw up, and it's not the Denny's cooking if you know what I mean.
 
2013-05-22 02:49:20 AM  

Paul Baumer: The free market at work in the charitable works industry...

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 400x334]

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/6938/sean-hannitys-freedom-concert-sc am -only-7-of-charitys-money-went-to-injured-troops-kids-of-fallen-troops -g5s-g6s-for-vannity/



Oliver North is in a band? I figured he would have sold the instruments and then given the money to drug cartels.
 
2013-05-22 08:01:50 AM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I know it's hard to understand people helping other people. I know you believe that someone in the federal government has to take from someone to give to another. But when you have people trapped in a building and the local Ace Hardware has a load of shovels and pickaxes the math becomes very simple. The local Denny's throws up the doors and starts cooking eggs and hamburgers as fast as they can and generally people get down to work. Next thing you know tractor trailers full of baby formula, diapers and bottled water. It's really heart warming.


I think I saw this commercial on TV.
It was Bobby Flay cooking at the Denny's wasn't it?
A black guy was driving the first tractor trailer...
 
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