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(Opposing Views)   You can do a lot of bad things as a priest and hang on to your job. Plagiarizing sermons from sermons.com is not one of them   (opposingviews.com) divider line 11
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2013-05-21 11:09:54 AM  
2 votes:
On a serious note, how can you steal the Word of God?  I mean, I don't think He's suing for copyright infringement.  The other Priests didn't create those sermons, they were inspired by God, so He's the only one that can file a lawsuit.  Right?  I don't think God is litigious as much as liturgical.
2013-05-21 04:05:52 PM  
1 votes:

Lando Lincoln: What? Priests can't borrow sermons from other priests? What freaking ever.


It's not that he borrowed sermons from other priests, it's that he bought a book of sermons that he was perfectly able to use in his church. However, he went on to publish them online and in print form claiming to be the author. How stupid do you have to be to try to re-publish something currently available in print?
2013-05-21 01:26:06 PM  
1 votes:
phalamir:

I know minsters that recycle sermons on a 4 year cycle. No one remembers the sermon from the first time, and really, how many ways can you do 1 Corinthians Chapter 5 (and why should you have to build a speech from whole cloth every single time?)?

What's worse is among "typical" Protestants there's a list of what kinds of sermons to give when called the Revised Common Lectionary; it runs in 3-year cycles. Furthermore it tells you how to use Scripture:
The major principle behind the lectionary is that on a Sunday members of congregations should be able to hear the voice of each writer week by week, rather than readings being selected according to a theme. Thus, in any given year the writer of one of the first three gospels will be heard from beginning to end. Likewise the rest of the New Testament is heard, in some cases, virtually in total, in others in large part.
This principle is subject to a number of exceptions. Firstly, different principles apply during the special seasons of the year: Advent, Christmas, Epiphany, Lent and Easter. Here appropriate lections relevant to the season are chosen. The rest of the year, called Ordinary Time, begins in February (after Candlemas) and runs until the Second Sunday before Lent. It then resumes after Pentecost until the Sunday before Advent which is kept as the Feast of Christ the King.
I'd rather write sermons based on theme myself, given as how I'm all poetically inspired & shiate, but there's no reason you can't use my sermons in any order you like. And preaching from a particular gospel is really just a a variation on a book report; for a slightly higher fee I can even consciously employ New Criticism, textual analysis, SciFi or Pomo. Preach my text and you'll sound like you really like to read.Consult today! You might make bishop yet!
2013-05-21 12:37:15 PM  
1 votes:

Dazrin: Tom_Slick: elderly preacher, he and his wife had no children, when he died he left everything to the church he had retired from 20 years earlier. In his 20 years of retirement he traveled to small churches conducting services when they were in between preachers or a preacher just wanted a 2 week vacation. Anyway while cleaning out his house a file cabinet was found full of sermons, on the folder of each sermon was a list of churches where he gave the sermon to make sure he never doubled up. He essentially wrote all of his sermons in the 1960s and then proceeded to deliver them through the 1980s.

That's fairly common for traveling preachers. It is one reason why they tend to have good sermons - they have practiced it a hundred or so times, so they should be able to give a good performance.


I know minsters that recycle sermons on a 4 year cycle.  No one remembers the sermon from the first time, and really, how many ways can you do 1 Corinthians Chapter 5 (and why should you have to build a speech from whole cloth every single time?)?
2013-05-21 12:11:55 PM  
1 votes:

Fizpez: FARK rebel soldier: I know RTA is a sin in the One Holy Apostolic and Catholic Church of the People's Republic of Farkistan, but you all seem to be missing something here: The guy is a priest with the Episcopal Church, and I don't seem to remember the Episcopal priests molesting my ass when I was a boy.

None of that matters one bit - the word priest brings a Pavlovian response from a significant fraction of Farkistan - reading the story would be an inconvenient speed bump on their way to making the required pithy comment.


Fark - where Christianity is a sin, republicans are evil, Obama is a god, kids and their parents have no right to be anywhere at anytime, everyone tips 35%, oppressive government is cool as long as it is against the 'other guy', and all hot chicks are always 'meh'.
2013-05-21 12:00:39 PM  
1 votes:
Jeeze the priest of my church was caught red handed both diddling the alter boys as well as taking advantage of desperate women that came to him for advice - some of their children were the boys he was molesting...some were my close family friends and mothers

The outrage in my Episcopal church was phenomenal...

/he was quietly sent to another "undisclosed" parish
//plagiarizing sermons seems pretty weak in comparison
2013-05-21 12:00:31 PM  
1 votes:
As a former lay minister student I see little wrong with this.

Sermons are written to -basically - match the ecclesiastical calendar and the topics rarely change from year-to-year.

HOWEVER he certainly could have taken the ideas and used them as a frame work from which to hang his own words.
2013-05-21 11:57:23 AM  
1 votes:

FARK rebel soldier: I know RTA is a sin in the One Holy Apostolic and Catholic Church of the People's Republic of Farkistan, but you all seem to be missing something here: The guy is a priest with the Episcopal Church, and I don't seem to remember the Episcopal priests molesting my ass when I was a boy.


None of that matters one bit - the word priest brings a Pavlovian response from a significant fraction of Farkistan - reading the story would be an inconvenient speed bump on their way to making the required pithy comment.
2013-05-21 11:35:16 AM  
1 votes:
CSB:

When I was young we lived next door to an elderly preacher, he and his wife had no children, when he died he left everything to the church he had retired from 20 years earlier.  In his 20 years of retirement he traveled to small churches conducting services when they were in between preachers or a preacher just wanted a 2 week vacation.  Anyway while cleaning out his house a file cabinet was found full of sermons, on the folder of each sermon was a list of churches where he gave the sermon to make sure he never doubled up.  He essentially wrote all of his sermons in the 1960s and then proceeded to deliver them through the 1980s.

/CSB
2013-05-21 10:46:48 AM  
1 votes:

remus: But, it's still ok to diddle the little boys?


altarboys.cum is much less litigious.
2013-05-21 10:32:41 AM  
1 votes:
But, it's still ok to diddle the little boys?
 
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