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(Opposing Views)   You can do a lot of bad things as a priest and hang on to your job. Plagiarizing sermons from sermons.com is not one of them   (opposingviews.com) divider line 96
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2013-05-21 10:32:41 AM
But, it's still ok to diddle the little boys?
 
2013-05-21 10:46:48 AM

remus: But, it's still ok to diddle the little boys?


altarboys.cum is much less litigious.
 
2013-05-21 10:57:08 AM
What? Priests can't borrow sermons from other priests? What freaking ever.
 
2013-05-21 11:09:54 AM
On a serious note, how can you steal the Word of God?  I mean, I don't think He's suing for copyright infringement.  The other Priests didn't create those sermons, they were inspired by God, so He's the only one that can file a lawsuit.  Right?  I don't think God is litigious as much as liturgical.
 
2013-05-21 11:26:34 AM

Lando Lincoln: What? Priests can't borrow sermons from other priests? What freaking ever.


I know, they stole the entire Torah from the Jews, but they can't borrow from each other?
 
2013-05-21 11:27:01 AM
Crap. You have one job. Sermons.
 
2013-05-21 11:28:09 AM
Actually, this happens All. The. Time. This one church is just getting their knickers twisted.
 
2013-05-21 11:29:37 AM

remus: I don't think God is litigious as much as liturgical.


Then you are totally unfamiliar with the Church Councils in Late Antiquity

RedPhoenix122: they stole the entire Torah from the Jews


No, no; the Jews weren't using it in the correct Indo-European manner, so it needed to be removed from their dirty, dirty, Semitic hands
 
2013-05-21 11:29:52 AM
Should have just confessed, did a few hundred hail Marys and all would have been forgiven.
 
2013-05-21 11:30:46 AM
Write your own sermons?
24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-05-21 11:31:09 AM
Preist 1: Jesus loves you.

Preist 2: Hmmm. That shiat sounds awfully farmiliar. *to the internet* Yup, just as I suspected.
 
2013-05-21 11:33:39 AM

remus: But, it's still ok to diddle the little boys?


The had a priest in Pittsburgh who was screwing kids.
Did they jail him?
Nope. they only fired him.
Why is he in jail now?
They found kitty prwan on his PC.

So, the answer to your question is, yes, just don't take pics.
 
2013-05-21 11:34:02 AM
So, if I copywrite the Word of God, we can end this madness?
I mean, the problem is obviously all the pretenders to the Word of God that keep getting the Words wrong.

My God is intellectual property and you can't use it.
 
2013-05-21 11:34:23 AM

remus: But, it's still ok to diddle the little boys?


And were done
 
2013-05-21 11:35:16 AM
CSB:

When I was young we lived next door to an elderly preacher, he and his wife had no children, when he died he left everything to the church he had retired from 20 years earlier.  In his 20 years of retirement he traveled to small churches conducting services when they were in between preachers or a preacher just wanted a 2 week vacation.  Anyway while cleaning out his house a file cabinet was found full of sermons, on the folder of each sermon was a list of churches where he gave the sermon to make sure he never doubled up.  He essentially wrote all of his sermons in the 1960s and then proceeded to deliver them through the 1980s.

/CSB
 
2013-05-21 11:36:02 AM

snocone: So, if I copywrite the Word of God, we can end this madness?
I mean, the problem is obviously all the pretenders to the Word of God that keep getting the Words wrong.

My God is intellectual property and you can't use it.


So you're a Scientologist then?
 
2013-05-21 11:38:54 AM
I'm a used book dealer and one of the harder things to move was a ten volume collection called "500 sermons", or at least I think that's the title. It was a few years ago.

It was the time I balanced a history of doing drug deals in bookstore parking lots with doing a book deal in a drugstore parking lot.
 
2013-05-21 11:39:01 AM
Reverend Lovejoy reads the headline with a growing sense of alarm
 
2013-05-21 11:40:31 AM
why? it's not like they invent new catechisms all the time? i thought priests were the EXPERTS at repeating the stuff other people said by rote.
 
2013-05-21 11:40:41 AM
The last time I was in a church, they spent a good portion of the time just reading out of a book! I think the title started with a "b".


This is an outrage!
 
2013-05-21 11:43:17 AM
I'm unclear on what the problem is.  Sermons.com appears to be intended for that exact purpose.
 
2013-05-21 11:43:47 AM
Too busy with there pedo cover-ups to wright there own.
 
2013-05-21 11:45:08 AM
Maybe it's because I'm an atheist and don't understand the intricacies of religion but what, exactly, is wrong with reading a sermon that someone else wrote?
 
2013-05-21 11:45:26 AM
Technically when I wear the leather Cassock and sister Mary Margaret puts on the latex habit we're not "bad"
 
2013-05-21 11:46:39 AM
Copyright violations are felonies, unlike child ra... um, obstruction of jus... wait, what?
 
2013-05-21 11:51:43 AM
Bloody heathen!

web.mit.edu
 
2013-05-21 11:52:10 AM
They caught him when he started his new sermon about his personal trials growing up as a small black woman in Mississippi.
 
2013-05-21 11:52:13 AM
God called and said, if Sony gets involved, I'm sorry but you're on your own.
 
2013-05-21 11:52:36 AM

shroom: So you're a Scientologist then?


All "ghods" are intelligently designed (loosely defined.) Man made "ghod" in his image.
 
2013-05-21 11:54:11 AM
They knew he was plagiarizing. Paul never wrote that many letters to the Corinthians
 
2013-05-21 11:54:34 AM

Tom_Slick: elderly preacher, he and his wife had no children, when he died he left everything to the church he had retired from 20 years earlier. In his 20 years of retirement he traveled to small churches conducting services when they were in between preachers or a preacher just wanted a 2 week vacation. Anyway while cleaning out his house a file cabinet was found full of sermons, on the folder of each sermon was a list of churches where he gave the sermon to make sure he never doubled up. He essentially wrote all of his sermons in the 1960s and then proceeded to deliver them through the 1980s.


That's fairly common for traveling preachers. It is one reason why they tend to have good sermons - they have practiced it a hundred or so times, so they should be able to give a good performance.
 
2013-05-21 11:54:59 AM
I know RTA is a sin in the One Holy Apostolic and Catholic Church of the People's Republic of Farkistan, but you all seem to be missing something here: The guy is a priest with the Episcopal Church, and I don't seem to remember the Episcopal priests molesting my ass when I was a boy.
 
2013-05-21 11:55:33 AM

DROxINxTHExWIND: Preist 1: Jesus loves you.

Preist 2: Hmmm. That shiat sounds awfully farmiliar. *to the internet* Yup, just as I suspected.


You funny.
 
2013-05-21 11:57:23 AM

FARK rebel soldier: I know RTA is a sin in the One Holy Apostolic and Catholic Church of the People's Republic of Farkistan, but you all seem to be missing something here: The guy is a priest with the Episcopal Church, and I don't seem to remember the Episcopal priests molesting my ass when I was a boy.


None of that matters one bit - the word priest brings a Pavlovian response from a significant fraction of Farkistan - reading the story would be an inconvenient speed bump on their way to making the required pithy comment.
 
2013-05-21 11:57:26 AM
It's one thing to reference someone else's sermon, it's another thing to pass off someone else's sermon as the message God gave you to give to the people.  Sermons aren't Peterman stories.

/Job 13:7
 
2013-05-21 11:58:00 AM
And really, the fact that sermons can be and are copyrighted should tell you everything you need to know about religion. (It's all about the money.)
 
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2013-05-21 12:00:07 PM
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so churches have strong copyright defenders too??  I would actually think it was one are where you WOULDN'T care about plagiarism.
 
2013-05-21 12:00:17 PM
The Episcopal Diocese of Massachusetts wrote a letter to the 300 or so families that regularly attend McGinn's services.
"This is a serious breach of the pastoral relationship between John and each of you," wrote Bishop M. Thomas Shaw. "I am sorry that this matter has caused pain and will likely cause further pain in the parish. As difficult as this situation is, we know that truth telling helps to bring about healing, and our renewal follows repentance."


...what?
 
2013-05-21 12:00:31 PM
As a former lay minister student I see little wrong with this.

Sermons are written to -basically - match the ecclesiastical calendar and the topics rarely change from year-to-year.

HOWEVER he certainly could have taken the ideas and used them as a frame work from which to hang his own words.
 
2013-05-21 12:00:39 PM
Jeeze the priest of my church was caught red handed both diddling the alter boys as well as taking advantage of desperate women that came to him for advice - some of their children were the boys he was molesting...some were my close family friends and mothers

The outrage in my Episcopal church was phenomenal...

/he was quietly sent to another "undisclosed" parish
//plagiarizing sermons seems pretty weak in comparison
 
2013-05-21 12:02:32 PM

Fizpez: FARK rebel soldier: I know RTA is a sin in the One Holy Apostolic and Catholic Church of the People's Republic of Farkistan, but you all seem to be missing something here: The guy is a priest with the Episcopal Church, and I don't seem to remember the Episcopal priests molesting my ass when I was a boy.

None of that matters one bit - the word priest brings a Pavlovian response from a significant fraction of Farkistan - reading the story would be an inconvenient speed bump on their way to making the required pithy comment.


During my short stint playing bass for a Wednesday night Episcopal service, our priest was a hard-drinking Aussie who frequently plagiarized his own sermons. He could make a two-sermon series last for months.

/But he always bought a round at Fridays afterwards
//CSB off
 
2013-05-21 12:03:39 PM

GreetingsEarthling: Actually, this happens All. The. Time. This one church is just getting their knickers twisted.


There's not a preacher out there that hasn't stolen something from Jesus.  You hear them talking about it All. The. Time.  Sometimes they even stoop to just reading his shiat out loud.

Un farking believable, I know.  But it's true.  I have seen it.
 
2013-05-21 12:04:13 PM
The main issue may be the publishing the sermons as his own.  Preachers / Priests / Pastors borrow sermons and prayers all the time.  Most likely as he appeared to be publishing them

FTA  have documentation that not only did he continue to copy sermons and preach and publish them verbatim, in print and online, as his own, but he had been doing so for many years

That could be the risk the church was concerned with.

Not discounting the whole kid thing
 
2013-05-21 12:06:18 PM

Brick-House: Should have just confessed, did a few hundred hail Marys and all would have been forgiven.


These are not Catholics, son.  These are Episcopalians.  A catholic now, he'll sit through a service he doesn't even understand, then go to a foreign country, and it's the same damn service, right down to the crackers.  Episcopalians, on the other hand, they take their preaching seriously.
 
2013-05-21 12:09:41 PM

HAMMERTOE: And really, the fact that sermons can be and are copyrighted should tell you everything you need to know about religion. (It's all about the money.)


Some religions have a focus on money, but true Christianity doesn't need it.  It simply uses it to spread the message of Christ and help those in need. Again, this is what it should be used for, not what some churches actually do with it or preach about it.
 
2013-05-21 12:11:55 PM

Fizpez: FARK rebel soldier: I know RTA is a sin in the One Holy Apostolic and Catholic Church of the People's Republic of Farkistan, but you all seem to be missing something here: The guy is a priest with the Episcopal Church, and I don't seem to remember the Episcopal priests molesting my ass when I was a boy.

None of that matters one bit - the word priest brings a Pavlovian response from a significant fraction of Farkistan - reading the story would be an inconvenient speed bump on their way to making the required pithy comment.


Fark - where Christianity is a sin, republicans are evil, Obama is a god, kids and their parents have no right to be anywhere at anytime, everyone tips 35%, oppressive government is cool as long as it is against the 'other guy', and all hot chicks are always 'meh'.
 
2013-05-21 12:14:57 PM

WhyKnot: Fizpez: FARK rebel soldier: I know RTA is a sin in the One Holy Apostolic and Catholic Church of the People's Republic of Farkistan, but you all seem to be missing something here: The guy is a priest with the Episcopal Church, and I don't seem to remember the Episcopal priests molesting my ass when I was a boy.

None of that matters one bit - the word priest brings a Pavlovian response from a significant fraction of Farkistan - reading the story would be an inconvenient speed bump on their way to making the required pithy comment.

Fark - where Christianity is a sin, republicans are evil, Obama is a god, kids and their parents have no right to be anywhere at anytime, everyone tips 35%, oppressive government is cool as long as it is against the 'other guy', and all hot chicks are always 'meh'.


/you sound fat
 
2013-05-21 12:15:56 PM

remus: But, it's still ok to diddle the little boys?


That's just a relocation to a fresh hunting ground!
 
2013-05-21 12:18:22 PM
remus:

But, it's still ok to diddle the little boys?

That's Roman Catholic priests. This guy's Episcopalian: they're allowed to marry before or after ordination. In fact they can even be female and/or gay, also before or after ordination. So sexual misfeasance ain't their forte, and they're more into garden variety middle class no-nos like shady real estate deals and drug-addled menages a trois.

The Episcopal Church is part of the Anglican communion, which in large part is made up of well-to-do non-fundamentalists who like to play dress-up. Often they're more High Church than the Catholics, especially since the colossal clusterfark because of Vatican II.
 
2013-05-21 12:18:45 PM

shroom: snocone: So, if I copywrite the Word of God, we can end this madness?
I mean, the problem is obviously all the pretenders to the Word of God that keep getting the Words wrong.

My God is intellectual property and you can't use it.

So you're a Scientologist then?


never mind
 
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